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Does Crede Make Sense For Dodgers?
South Side Sox wonders if the Dodgers will look to acquire White Sox third baseman Joe Crede now that Andy LaRoche is out two months with a torn thumb ligament and Nomar Garciaparra's status is day to day after getting hit in the wrist by a pitch.
Buster Olney says the Dodgers are likely to trade for a player like Crede because "the perception about Garciaparra, among scouts, is that his unusual throwing mechanics make it very difficult for him to play third base on a regular basis."
Previously, Los Angeles had been mentioned as a possible destination for Detroit third baseman Brandon Inge. But, as South Side Sox points out, "Crede brings more power, a better contact rate, and a smaller salary" than Inge. So why not Crede?
One more point in Crede's favor: because he's in the final year of his contract, he wouldn't block LaRoche at the position next season. Then again, Crede, who is coming off back surgery, is hardly a safe bet to stay healthy and the last thing the Dodgers need is three third basemen on the DL.
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I've been watching Crede. It looks like the surgery has really helped his back, just wish he had gotten it sooner. He's diving and swinging freely. But health shouldn't be a problem for him at all.
Posted by: gogopalehose | March 08, 2008 at 02:47 PM
Crede's still shaking off the dust, I'd like to see him play a little better before we shop him.
Wade LeBlanc for Crede would work for me though.
Posted by: Jimmywins1 | March 08, 2008 at 03:04 PM
Crede to the Dodgers? Hell, yes!
Full disclosure: I am a Giants fan.
Posted by: wcw | March 08, 2008 at 03:15 PM
Im a cubs fan, and I know how good Crede can be.
If your a Giants fan and you WANT Crede to play for a NL West rival than you must not have a high baseball IQ. Even if he doesnt hit, he plays a great 3B. However he will hit, especially in that lineup with other good young talents around him, and vets like Kent and Jones.
Posted by: baseballguy18 | March 08, 2008 at 03:37 PM
I can see it BaseballGuy, something like this:
a) Giants don’t give up prospects for something that isnt really needed for 1 year on an already bad team
b) Dodgers do have to give up said prospects though
c) Dodgers block LaRoche from getting playing time for another year. Now all of a sudden the 2009 Dodgers take a hit there on top of the prospects
~ The end results look something like ~ Longterm (post 08) Giants better off, while the longterm Dodgers take a hit just for a 2008 option of unknown results.
Crede in LA might be difficult to watch as well. It’s a park that generally saps power, and that’s the only thing he really brings on the bat side of his game. If his HR power ends up in long fly outs then it would stand to reason his BA and inturn OBP would drop as well. If the OBP goes any lower than .323 at its best and .300-ish on the norm ~ well…
The best thing for Crede is to stay in a hitter-friendly park and away from places like SF, LA, Ana, etc... His going to one of those locations could possibly destroy his longterm chances. Sadly, those are the only possible fits as they seem right now. Oh the dilemma…
Posted by: darkstar1661 | March 08, 2008 at 04:09 PM
Crede hits as many doubles as homers. He's never been much of a fly ball hitter, so a lot of the homers in Chicago would reach the gap. I don't think it would be a terrible thing for him. LaRoche always finds his way to the DL and they need someone better defensively(and maybe offensively and durability wise) than Nomar.
Posted by: gogopalehose | March 08, 2008 at 04:25 PM
WHO CARES???!!!
LET'S CONTINUE TO BEAT THE DEAD HORSE BRIAN ROBERTS RUMORS!!!
Posted by: TOLAXOR | March 08, 2008 at 04:29 PM
Crede, 0-3 again today. BA .105. Don't shoot the messenger.
Posted by: sweetswingingbw | March 08, 2008 at 04:37 PM
Glad he's getting that slump out of the way. Thome's also hitting in low .100's, I guess he's gonna be worthless too ey.
Where's a :rolleyes: gif when you need one?
Posted by: astralpanda | March 08, 2008 at 04:48 PM
Gogo… :(
Crede consistently hits FBs at one of the highest rates I have really ever seen from a full-time player. The last 5 years he has 44% (03), 49% (04), 45% (05), 51% (06) and 53% (07) marks. That’s like a Russell Branyon type of line (his is 49, 53, 47, 52, 53) Its not quite as bad as Giambi or Bonds of course, but its really close… On the flip side, Crede’s LD rate has only touched 20% once the last 5 years, and that was, as you would expect, 2003.
Posted by: darkstar1661 | March 08, 2008 at 05:26 PM
Crede would be a nice solution for a one year rental as hand/finger injuries (LaRoche) usually affect a player offensively long after their expected recovery time.
The Dodgers and Sox could strike a deal qucikly as this seems to be a fit for LA, and the Sox love something the Dodgers system has in depth: hard throwing projectable arms.
Posted by: The Juice | March 08, 2008 at 05:30 PM
Crede would be a nice solution for a one year rental as hand/finger injuries (LaRoche) usually affect a player offensively long after their expected recovery time.
The Dodgers and Sox could strike a deal quickly as this seems to be a fit for LA, and the Sox love something the Dodgers system has in depth: hard throwing projectable arms.
Posted by: The Juice | March 08, 2008 at 05:30 PM
Guess that's what I get for not doing my homework... at any rate, I expect Crede to hit about league average wherever he goes. I wouldn't be eye popping surprised if he did worse, but really he's an asset wherever he goes. Is he as good as a healthy LaRoche that meets his upside? No, but he's better than whatever else the Giants and Dodgers have between them, and LaRoche is neither healthy nor has he shown he can hit major leaguers.
Also, since Crede rarely strikes out, he hits a lot of weak pop ups. Generally, all his homers are on a line. I'm not worried about Joe.
Posted by: gogopalehose | March 08, 2008 at 05:36 PM
I think we're agreed; this makes a LOT of sense. The Dodgers could skim a mid level prospect off the top and wouldn't even miss it, while that prospect is likely to end up in the top ten Sox list.
Ivan Dejesus Jr. might be nice; there's a fair chance he could be knocking on the door just as O. Cabrera walks off into free agency. Package him with a faded prospect like Preston Mattingly (I like the idea of two legacy types in one deal) or Steven Johnson and the Sox are likely to be content.
Posted by: Devlsh | March 08, 2008 at 06:25 PM
Crede for Wade LeBlanc.
Dodgers get a pretty good 3rd basemen, White Sox get a pretty good pitching prospect.
Posted by: Jimmywins1 | March 08, 2008 at 09:26 PM
Would John McDonald be available? Leblanc is with the Padres.
Posted by: gogopalehose | March 08, 2008 at 09:40 PM
Oh wow, what am I on?
Forget my LeBlanc comments, I heard a rumor on espn radio about Brian Anderson and Kyle McCulloch for LeBlanc earlier in the offseason,a nd somehow thought he was on the dodgers.
Posted by: Jimmywins1 | March 08, 2008 at 11:39 PM
i hope they dont trade james mcdonald
Posted by: 661folife | March 08, 2008 at 11:49 PM
man.... i wish Crede was having a lil better of a Spring Training
so we could get a little more value out of him... :-/
he's just average right now is what i think
get a couple a decent prospects maybe or idk
i'd give him 2 more weeks to show what he's got
his throws to first aren't that great
Posted by: ChicagoWhiteS0xFan | March 09, 2008 at 12:13 AM
"I expect Crede to hit about league average wherever he goes."
Why? The man's career OPS+ is around 90. He's 10%-below-average for his career. What changed this year?
"..wish Crede was having a lil better of a Spring Training
so we could get a little more value out of him.."
When *every single fan* wants a player gone, for good value, maybe -- just maybe -- that team's fans are right to want him gone. Maybe that player isn't very good.
Like Crede, with his mediocre-on-a-good-day bat, pretty nifty glove, bad back, and difficult agent.
Ugh. If only my team weren't run by idiots who would consider such a player.
Posted by: wcw | March 09, 2008 at 01:27 AM
Let's do a little one-stop shopping instead of piece mealing this.
Package Crede, Uribe AND Konerko and ship them all to San Francisco as long as we get Sanchez, Valdez, Winn, Velez and Matos.
The Sox move Swisher to 1B - where he belongs; Winn to LF or CF and leadoff; use Sanchez to push Floyd & Masset and Valdez takes McDougal's spot on the roster, while Velez and Matos get ready for September call ups.
The Giants get two corner infielders with power and an insurance policy for Vizquel and Durham, while keeping their starting rotation.
Posted by: navylifer3 | March 09, 2008 at 12:00 PM
While both Inge and Crede have been mentioned as possibilities for the Giants, their contracts don't match the short term need (first half of the season)for the Dodgers. A better fit for LA might be Morgan Ensberg, currently on a minor league contract with the Yankees. He would be a better fit with 3B experience and a good RH bat in the middle of the lineup. The price for Ensberg (if he doesn't make the Yankees roster) would be considerably less than Crede or Inge.
Posted by: So Cal Yankee Fan 8) | March 09, 2008 at 12:39 PM
yea... true wcw
Posted by: ChicagoWhiteS0xFan | March 09, 2008 at 04:20 PM
Actually - Crede is only signed through this year...at a very good rate.
Posted by: navylifer3 | March 09, 2008 at 10:48 PM
Crede's career OPS+ is 92. Supposedly he changed his swing at the end of 2005 and that is why he had a great 05 post season and a stellar 2006. His back was just too much to bear in 2007.
Everyone has said he looks good in ST so far. Don't let his BA fool you. Ichiro is 0-17 so far... He might only be batting .105, but if he gets a hit his next at bat it will bump up to .150. Not saying that is a good BA, just that the sample size is so small it is worthless.
I am just glad to see there is another team that is likely to have interest in Crede past the Giants. As much as I like Crede, I would rather get something for him instead of watching him walk after the season.
Posted by: rowdyoctopus | March 09, 2008 at 11:33 PM