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Kyle Lohse for one year and $4MM doesn't sound too bad, does it? Not to the Phillies, even with Adam Eaton and a couple of Durbins battling it out for the fifth starter job. Phils assistant GM Mike Arbuckle said "I know we're not interested" in Lohse at such a price.
I don't get this. Pretty much every team in the NL should be looking at Lohse if he's really willing to take $4MM. Even non-contenders have to consider the ol' sign and flip with him. Even this year, with teams showing relatively more common sense with free agents, $2-3MM deals have been tossed around on roster filler type players. The standard rate for a sixth-inning middle reliever is three mil now. The only explanation I can think of is that the reports are wrong, and Lohse is still trying to get $6-8MM.
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Loshe to the Mets
Sosa/Scho to DET for Inge?
Posted by: maximumpotential | March 04, 2008 at 11:26 PM
Kyle Loshe is being blackballed! Where's Mitchell when you need him! Dude, he's a steal now.
Posted by: jrfukudome | March 04, 2008 at 11:28 PM
I say its Billy Beane time. They need an innings eater, particularly if they peddle Blanton.
Posted by: jrfukudome | March 04, 2008 at 11:29 PM
why wouldnt the phillies want him? It's not enough to have just a 5th starter, you need 7 or 8 for depth purposes, so him at 5 pushes other guys down more.
Posted by: Guitar Hero | March 04, 2008 at 11:37 PM
im thinking if theres a point in the Jays signing him....adds depth, which is always good when burnett is in your rotation. But even though 4 million is cheap, I just see him sucking in the AL East, so why not just start a young guy?
Posted by: Guitar Hero | March 04, 2008 at 11:38 PM
Seems teams like the White Sox, Tigers, maybe even braves should take a look at this guy. None of their rotations would hold up well if one guy feel, adding depth for that low of a price doesnt sound to bad. The astros have 2 guys in their rotation who belong in AAA how are they not in this? I agree the reports have to be wrong because this guy isnt that bad.
Posted by: baseballguy18 | March 05, 2008 at 12:18 AM
I'm willing to bet that several teams will have serious regrets about not signing this guy to low dollar one year contract. Several teams are going with very young rotations or major injury question marks. $4m is a pretty cheap insurance policy just in case things don't go well.
Posted by: bjsguess | March 05, 2008 at 12:36 AM
I have to wonder at this point if there's some insider information about Lohse that we are not privy to. Either teams are seriously concerned about his health, which no article I've read even speculated on that, or he's a known juicer/failed some tests/alcoholic/horrible teammate, etc.
Most of those would still allow you to get a chance with some team. It's not like he's a firstbaseman, he's a pitcher, teams are always looking for pitching.
Posted by: hemingways | March 05, 2008 at 12:49 AM
Wow, this guy is just begging for the mets to sign him, come on Omar this is another chance for you to come off as a genius. El Duque hasnt even thrown the ball this spring, This would be a huge addition. This adds much needed depth to a Mets team who is in need of some.
Posted by: klipp13 | March 05, 2008 at 01:11 AM
Do you suppose it's possible people in the industry have actually watched him pitch regularly?
Posted by: twinstapir | March 05, 2008 at 02:32 AM
good point twin guy. ive been saying all along this guy just isnt any good. why would you want him blocking your young pitchers. keep in mind i am a cardinals fan saying this. i like the lohse to the As idea. they need someone to pitch the first half while the kids are developing and they can flip him at the deadline for more youth. makes perfect sense to me.
Posted by: Joelcards | March 05, 2008 at 06:30 AM
maximumpotential: Why on earth would the Mets take Brandon Inge?
Posted by: moebarguy | March 05, 2008 at 07:16 AM
as a Reds fan watching Loshe for the past couple of years, I can say he's pretty horrifying. i would avoid watching to games on TV because it was always just a matter of time before the wheels fell off. The problem here seems to be Lohse's expectation that, just because he's got good raw stuff, he deserves millions of dollars. In reality, he's had plenty of chances to put it all together and has failed miserably.
Those who think teams should look at him will really regret it once you seem him out there in your team's uniform, giving up walk after walk and home run after home run.
The plain and simple truth is just that Lohse isn't worth 4 million dollars.
Posted by: wedestroymyths | March 05, 2008 at 08:29 AM
4.62 ERA in the NL in over 200IP. Thats better than Moyer AND Eaton. And we're paying them pretty much double of what we could get Lohse for, assuming the 1yr $4mil is true.
Posted by: phightins | March 05, 2008 at 08:55 AM
Just guessing from watching him during the Twins days, but I think it's the magic trifecta of being a head case on the mound, an absolute d-bag in the clubhouse and a Borass client. Just a guess.
Posted by: jhawk90 | March 05, 2008 at 09:19 AM
It almost makes you wonder if he could catch on as a closer somewhere. He's not Trevor Hoffman by any means, but maybe he could do better 1 inning at a time.
Posted by: FineHamAbounds | March 05, 2008 at 09:22 AM
"maximumpotential: Why on earth would the Mets take Brandon Inge?"
To fill in for Delgado, platoon with Church, and cover for Alou when he's on the DL. However, there's a Sosa/Thames rumor going around, makes more sense.
Posted by: maximumpotential | March 05, 2008 at 09:40 AM
This guy in my opinion is not worth much. When he was in Minn.. he;s career was basically over until the reds picked him up and gave him a chance. His era was over 7 in Minn, and around 4.58 in cinci. Yes, great american ballpark is a hitters park, but also keep in mind who the reds play at home and away, teams like the pirates and astros who are lucky to score two runs a game most nights. He had about a 4.75 era in Phili in less than 75 innings. A full seasson of him in phili your looking of an era of 5+. That's what he brings to an NL team, for an AL team I'd say its probably closer to 6. Most teams are better off going with what they've already got rather than pay 5 million for a year of 5.00-6.00 era baseball.
Posted by: GriffGivesMeAStiff | March 05, 2008 at 09:54 AM
this thing works best when people discuss what other people say. if you just respond to the topic you are just talking to yourself. how about some of you guys reading what the others have posted and go from there instead of just talking.
Posted by: Joelcards | March 05, 2008 at 10:34 AM
They're blowing smoke. The official line from the Gillick front office is often disinterest right up until the player signs. They said the same thing while offering Mike Lowell 4/50 and feigned disinterest in Feliz until about 36 hours before his signing was announced. Not sure why, but it seems to be how they do things - seems like it would be simpler to say "we're always considering our options" and leave it at that.
Posted by: Bourne's_Identities | March 05, 2008 at 02:56 PM
"They're blowing smoke. The official line from the Gillick front office is often disinterest right up until the player signs. They said the same thing while offering Mike Lowell 4/50 and feigned disinterest in Feliz until about 36 hours before his signing was announced. Not sure why, but it seems to be how they do things - seems like it would be simpler to say "we're always considering our options" and leave it at that."
For a guy that they've been supposedly having negotiations with all along and now he's practically begging for any team in the league to sign him to a 1 yr 4MM deal ??? That smells awfully bad to me... I don't think Gillick, Arbuckle, and Amaro are blowing smoke because he was pretty reliable down the stretch last year almost ( dare I say it) good... He showed alot of potential and I think it says alot that no team has shown interest in him... There's definately something else going on behind the scenes...
Posted by: allabouthephils | March 05, 2008 at 06:29 PM
Memo to Boras and all Lohse Kool-Aid drinkers: he's not being seriously considered BECAUSE HE SUCKS!
This guy had all but pitched himself out of baseball before Cincy decided to give him a bottom-feeding shot.
Come on, the guy's not exactly John Smoltz we're talking about. Yeah, he'll eat some innings, perhaps, but he'll do so in garbage fashion.
For Boras to even think he could have gotten the kind of money for this guy he was expecting over the winter is just absurd. He'd be lucky to have a job with any team. Most clubs would be better served giving a hot prospect a shot before coughing up bucks to pay this less-than-mediocre retread.
Posted by: Sunny Reiser | March 05, 2008 at 08:03 PM
Lohse from what I've seen and read throws too hard, which sounds crazy, but if you throw more naturally you get more movement and I've heard that his pitches are ridiculously flat because of the exaggerated arm movement. He would probably be well served to ease off his pitches a little bit and change up his arm angle.
I will say it until the day I die. There were two players as of a week ago that were under 30 and still available on the free agent market: Corey Patterson and Kyle Lohse who were both Boras clients. If Lohse walks into camp on a minor league deal than Boras' career as an agent is over. I'd love to see that smug smile traded in for a frown of disappointment. What a c*ck-sucking son-uva-b*tch, Boras deserves this and for all the odor of collusion that hangs in the air, there is no way that I can fain a loathing of it's smell. Lohse is a patsy for this game of financial chicken they are playing with Boras, but they must feel it is necessary. I know I do! Boras will either strike back with unrealistic prices for all of his star players next year or he'll be out of the game. I think all of his big name players will leave for other agents!
The only other reason why Lohse would not get a deal is because of the original request of 5 years and 60 million dollars. If you call up and ask for the price of an item and they tell you that it'll be $XXX.XX and then they call you and the new price is XX.XX, you are going to be like what the hell kind of quality is this product really?! I mean you can't go from 5 years and 60 million dollars to 1 year and 4-6 million and not think that every GM on the planet won't run from you whenever you make a proposal. Boras has a history of waiting by the phone for the team to call and if he's making the calls than they are going to be super gun shy. If he's waiting for them to call, I hope he has a good book nearby his desk!
Posted by: BaseballGuru | March 05, 2008 at 08:52 PM
Isn't someone going to turn this in to a racial issue with a black guy and a native american being the only under 30s not signed when spring training officially started?! Sorry, I'm sick of seeing everything become a race issue and everyone talks about how we don't have enough Black baseball players, shouldn't one of the 30 teams be required to sign Lohse and Patterson until they turns 40 or retire, in order to meet the demographic requirements?!
Posted by: BaseballGuru | March 05, 2008 at 08:57 PM
If this is true, I think it comes down to a matter of pride for the Phillies organization. Why would they decline a 1-year $4 mil contract when, as quoted from Phillies.com, "The Phillies offered him 3 years and $21 million over the winter"? Either that, or someone actually decided to check out the guy's career stats after that offer was refused.
My question is why would ANY team, including a 10-and-under girls team, offer this guy any amount of money to suck as badly as he does? He flat out sucks, and for once, I'm glad the Phils have taken the cheap route and signed Benson and the Durbins. No way I'd want to be stuck with Lohse's sorry ass until the 2011 season.
Omar, sign him!! I'd love to sit back and watch the Phils, Braves, Marlins and even the Nats mash him every 5th game.
Posted by: Tilbrouck | March 06, 2008 at 12:22 AM
Sorry, Ladies & Germs, Kyle Lohse doesn't suck. He's got a lifetime ERA+ of 95 (100 last year between the Reds & Phils), which makes him ML average to slightly below average. A starter who can reliably give you 180-200 IP at around league average has real value. He has even more value to a team like the Phillies which has such a great offense -- as evidenced by the fact that the Phils were 9-2 in games he started for them down the stretch. B-P has his MORP for this year at $4.45MM, so a 1-year deal for $4MM is a very good value. I agree with those who suspect the owners are teaching Boras a lesson.
Posted by: jflnyc | March 07, 2008 at 04:11 PM