Latest On C.C. Sabathia

I will bet you one internet dollar that he does not.

;)

And who is Texas going to give up? Milton Bradley? People in Cleveland hate him, plus his salary is astronomically to high for us. I haven't heard much about their prospects though....I still say a late deal with the Brewers for Blake and C.C.

Haha, C.C. had a bad night so what? He has pitched lights out for the majority of the season, and if the Indians could give him the run support they did last year he would be one of the best in W-L column...I prefer him to stay away from the cubs anyways

"And who is Texas going to give up?"

Texas has a pretty stacked farm system.

I have to admit, even as a Cubs fan, I hate reading threads where the posting starts out like this. We don't know that...at all.

the cubs do not have enough to get c.c. - although the brewers have a lot to offer i hope there bluffing becausethe brewers r going to be one of the best teams in the league in the next few years if we trade r hole farm system to get a rental we r not goin to be as good in the next few years - and also if i a cub fan i would be worried that the brewers are playin very great baseball right now and we r about to pass the cardinals u will be shortly after - LETS GO BREW CREW!!!

"also c.c. is 6-9 nothin special - right now i would rater have manny parra than c.c. just so u no manny parra is the brewers 5 starter who has a record of 8-2 this year"

1st of all, Just so YOU know, CC Sabathia is the reigning Cy Young Award Winner.

2nd, Just so YOU know, Manny Parra has NO control, he has a 1.55 WHIP, including 14 walks in his last 3 starts.

3rd, if CC had the run-support Parra had we may be looking at a real shot for a second-straight Cy Young Award.

4th, with a starting 5 of Sheets, Suppan, Parra, Bush, and McClung.... I'm sure they can find a spot for CC Sabathia.

5th, you can't honestly tell me you would rather have Manny Parra in your rotation than CC Sabathia.

And Dark, I agree with pretty much everything you said, but I do think someone will take Blake and we will trade him.

I dont see the bewers as players. They are going to have a hard enough time to resign sheets, so geting CC would mean that 1 is gone. Tex is interesting, but why would they do that? They arent in contention so a rental isnt in their best interests. I think it will come down to the Cubs and Yankees.. just seeing which will put out the best deal. Each team has enough to get him, but its a question of how much is he worth to each team.

Miltie, I'm afraid you're fighting a lost cause. The single, most disheartening thing about the blogging era is to discover the deep fault line of the American education system. Typos happen and can be forgiven but to lack even the most fundamental grasp of English grammar... Sigh! What can we do?

"I dont see the bewers as players. They are going to have a hard enough time to resign sheets, so geting CC would mean that 1 is gone."

Has absolutley no bearing on the Brewers plans. They already know he is a rent-a-player. Mark Antanasio has already been quoted as saying he wants to win this year, will take on salary and risk losing a player at the end of the year to go for it now. Sheets is gone anyway and they know that too.

If CC does go to the crew and leaves, they will still get the 2 picks to replace the loss of prospects ( i.e. Gamel,Laporta, etc)

As for '09, they will still have plenty of $$$ next offseason ( $10 mil Cameron, $10 mil Gagne, $12 mil Sheets) to get someone not solid and not as expensive as CC to go into the rotation with Gallardo,Parra and Suppan.

Based on what I saw last night at Tropicana, the Rays should go ahead and bite the bullett, acquire C.C. and commence to burying the BoSox and Yankees once and for all.

LowercaseZach,

Yeah, Parra sits with an average of 5.66 Runs being scored for him, and they have scored 4 or more runs for him in 13 of his 16 starts… Jeff Weaver could probably have an 8-2 record with that kind of support…

And nah man, I know someone would want him ~ I am just not convinced we will trade him. There were plenty of times to get ride of him in the past, and all they did was ensure he would be in the lineup daily. Maybe they do, but I am one of those that see a weird situation where Blake seemingly holds as much control of the team as anyone else…

“darkstar has such Cubs-envy it's ridiculous. Get a life, dude.”

…”Cubs-envy”? The Cubs are one of two NL teams I root for you tool ~ I just hate stupid people; and you cant find anyone as oblivious as the Cubs posters around here… Case in point, read your post…

(PS, should say “most of the Cubs posters around here” ~ Miltie seems intelligent, ChicagoBlogger, or whatever his name was, seemed logical. But we can count the number of Cubs posters that provide anything other than illogical Rah-Rah-Cubs-Fluff on one hand, that’s for sure…)

Wow. This thread is turning into a a r3tard fest.

Brewers fan, don't type if its not english.

Cubs fans, stop acting like such arrogant pr*cks. You make us all look as dumb as you are.

Dark, stop addressing the Cubs. Cubs fans are sick of listening to you and everybody else just doesn't care.

Texas has the best crop of positional prospects of any organization in the game.

They have money and would like to spend it.

They are 7.5 back in the West and 5.5 in the WC as of this moment.

They just drafted Justin Smoak, meaning that they could certainly trade Chris Davis (and they will need a spot for the odd men out behind the plate, Salty + Max Ramirez, eventually Teagarden).

They can get him, and they have liked him for a while.

I still don't see why an offer of Josh Vitters, Tyler Colvin, Jose Ceda and Donnie Veal couldn't get the Cubs Sabathia?

Vitters is still a young hitting prospect with huge potential, Pie is awesome on defense in CF at the very least and should be able to be at least average as a hitter, Ceda has the potential to be a very good starter or stud closer, Colvin has the potential to be a pretty good corner OF, he's got more potential than any OF in their system other than probably Weglarz, and Veal was a top 60 prospect in all of baseball two years ago, and still has some pretty good potential.

I know none of those guys is a lock for greatness, but then again nobody is. I think this would give the Indians a pretty good set of young players, basically everything Chicago has other than Soto and Gallagher. I know its not what the Indians were specifically looking for, which is more MLB ready help that can make them contend next year, but it could possibly end up being the best offer.

"Marmol, Gallagher, Cedeno, and Colvin for C.C. Sabathia will get it done"

Marmol is untouchable. No way he's going anywhere.

I think the Cubs should any of their young players who aren't named Vitters, Gallagher, Soto, or Marmol...

for CC or Harden. If not, put something together for Burnett. If nothing works for those guys, go after Fuentes and stack the pen.

hate hate hate

"1st of all, Just so YOU know, CC Sabathia is the reigning Cy Young Award Winner.

2nd, Just so YOU know, Manny Parra has NO control, he has a 1.55 WHIP, including 14 walks in his last 3 starts.

3rd, if CC had the run-support Parra had we may be looking at a real shot for a second-straight Cy Young Award.

4th, with a starting 5 of Sheets, Suppan, Parra, Bush, and McClung.... I'm sure they can find a spot for CC Sabathia.

5th, you can't honestly tell me you would rather have Manny Parra in your rotation than CC Sabathia."

Man, you just virtually slapped the hell outa that guy. Nice work.

Funny tongue-in-cheek from darkstar, who trolls every single Cubs' thread, just to argue with people. Darkstar leave it to the real GM's who don't sit at a desktop in their room at mom's and type all day!

"Funny tongue-in-cheek from darkstar, who trolls every single Cubs' thread, just to argue with people. Darkstar leave it to the real GM's who don't sit at a desktop in their room at mom's and type all day!"

These comments are amusing also. This site is meant to discuss baseball, Mr. ass cheeks. Just because you don't like the fact that nobody besides Cub fans thinks they have anything to get CC, and Dark would know this better then most, knowing the Tribe's system and needs, you call him out and make it seem as if he has no life for spending time posting about baseball in a baseball blog (I know, the nerve of him), while you are doing the same thing, only backwards.

Miltie,
Its still a while away from things taking place, and most teams are not letting their true interests be known yet. As it gets closer to trades taking place, tunes will start to change. I imagine that Burnett is the player they push for the most when everything starts to go down, letting that be known now though might get Mil to swoop up and snatch him leaving the Cubs high and dry…

CubsDieTroll,
Hahaha, funny considering I argue with Rah-Rah-Cubs-Fluff Trolls like Adun only when they try to make their normal countless incorrect, ignorant and “all Cubs sh!t golden bricks” type posts in reply to logic. I mean yesterday I say Veals value has gone down because each and every one of his peripherals has stayed the same or gotten worse to which Adun attempts to argue otherwise…

dark,

You are the same person last offseason said Soto was no good? Or that Rolen will be the better offensive player than Aramis Ramirez for the next 5 years? Yeah, you are a real genious!

Nrmax, take a look back at every Cubs thread for the last two years. You will find him on every one, just spouting off bs about how the Cubs are horrible. Stop kissing his @ss.

I say we sould go for Fuentes if CC, Harden, and Bedard don't work out. We should just beef up our pen. If Marquis goes 3 1/3 with 4 ER (this is just an example) I'd take my chances with Fuentes, Wuertz, Lieber, Marmol, Howry, Wood, Cotts, and Eyre.

cubs4ever,

Cubs-Fans troll people; Cubs-Fans get treated like, and called, trolls…
Cubs-Fans don’t troll people; Cubs-Fans don’t get treated like trolls…
…Its not exactly rocket science here…

Anyway, I don’t come here to argue with a single person; people just like to troll, which ends up leading to arguments. I also don’t really argue with anyone on the site (“guru” being the big exception) outside of the Rah-Rah-Cubs-Fluff trolls that chase me around trying to claim anything I say cant be true because it might not be in perfect harmony with their fluff-fantasies… Case in point, yesterday I copied stats from one site to this one detailing that Veal has seen no progression or gotten worse in all of his peripherals to which I hear Adun screaming “stop twisting stats with your bias”. That is one person holding a conversation and a second person trolling the first attempting to cause an argument… Adun doesn’t troll, then there is no argument…

But really, I personally don’t care if every single person on the entire site didn’t like me, my self-esteem is fine and that is no where near the reason I’m here ~ I’m here to talk about baseball, to hear things I might not have heard and try to expand my knowledge about other teams and possible moves they will make. Hearing “youre ignorant, Vitters/Murton/Cedeno/Marshall easily gets Sabathia. You should shut up! Go away!” in every other post though ~ well, that’s exactly the type of posts which provide nothing for anyone and cause problems which would not exist without said trolls…

Another case in point ~ the last rant ADun gives us. I never said Rolen would be better ~ we were having a conversation about Ramirez having a progressive declining SLG and being a bit of an injury risk. He started to try and bash Rolen, goes on for hours with “tell me which one you would rather have” at the end of every post, and claiming I was stupid because I wouldn’t answer the question he somehow felt relevant to anything while he attempted to make it a comparison between the two. I said that’s not what we are talking about and eventually that I would be happy with either to shut him up. 2 years later he is still hear claiming it to be something it wasn’t in his pitiful attempts to try and bash me… Its beyond pathetic, and the obsessive bull like that is the biggest reason there are any problems on this site, period…

Another case in point ~ this thread isnt about the Cubs and the Cubs would have never been mentioned if not for the Rah-Rah-Cubs-Fluff trolls trying to make it into a Cubs thread… Gee, wonder why there was a problem... ***sigh***

Hahaha...I follow Dark around as a Cubs fan, yet he has been in literally every cubs thread for like 2 years now. What a loser.

Well Dark, you do win one thing. You have now set the record for the amount of posts with a *sigh* in them, and also take the gold for ending posts with a ...

Good work, you contribute a lot.

"I never said Rolen would be better "

Wow, now we have resorted to stright up lying as well? What a sad, sad person you are. I feel bad for you.

I TYPE IN CAPS BECAUSE I WANT MY POINT TO GET ACROSS. It is not a Cubs thing. It is just that this site is so loaded with Cubs fans that a huge number of them are absolutely clueless. There are plenty of good posters who root for the Cubs. We all know Tim is a Cub fan and he runs a sick site. I think Dark, like myself, and like a lot of others, has more of a problem with stupid people posting the same biased crap everyday.

Scribbletone and miltie and adunc (daily arguments with darkstar not withstanding)and a lot of Cub fans post good intelligent stuff. But like Mr. CWC please br I die, a good percentage of the Cub fan population here are stupid and annoying and come back posting the same crap every single day. It gets old.

"Scribbletone and miltie and adunc (daily arguments with darkstar not withstanding)and a lot of Cub fans post good intelligent stuff."

...Yeah, but 80% of Aduns posts are spent trying to bash me with whatever random thought he pulls out of his @ss, even if I say the most truthful and irrefutable of statements. His obsession with me is why most Cubs fans dont like me ~ if he didnt follow me like a lost-puppy trying to argue over nothing and proclaim I'm somehow bias because I can see something other than fluff, then I dont really have arguments with any Cubs fans. And seriously, read his posts ~ trying to claim incorrect sh!t from the distant past in every other post (esp see yesterdays when he brought up four such situations and tried to twist them as if they should discredit me after I posted the hard stats backing up what I said) is just pitiful. And ironically enough? I could copy posts he has provided saying there is no way Hill regresses and to say its possible shows ignorance or countless other blatantly moronic statements which he insists are reality only to end up looking like a tool...

…I’ve often times compared him to the obsessive-ex-girlfriend type who follows you around trying to do anything possible to make you look bad and get themselves some positive attention. All he does is prove he fits that bill perfectly… Uhh, it gets so frustrating ~ and really fills me into why so many men beat their wives; I would be his @ss to if he was doing it in person instead of his being hundreds or miles away…

I believe Scribble is one of those who knows what I’m talking about; I think he’s one of the Cubs fans that has pointed out his doing it…

You would be my @ss? Ha...thats just priceless!

Just stop posting dark. Everytime you can you are bashing me...about bashing you. That makes a lot of sense....

Grow up and be quiet unless you post something intelligent.

Let me ask you this Nrmax, I think we discussed this awhile ago, but would you want more than Murton for Heilman? That trade seems like it makes some sense for both clubs...

The indians will take the picks before dealing with the cubs.

Cub Fan here are some players that the Indians may be interested in

Carlos Marmol RH Pitcher
Sean Gallagher RH Pitcher

One of the above would most likely have to be the cornerstone to any trade involving CC If not then there
will not be a cub Uniform on CC.

The you will need another three to 4 prospects due to the cub farm system being weaker than other teams farm system.

Josh Vitters 3rd base

Andres Blanco Shortstop

Jose Ceda RH Pitcher

Marquez Smith 3rd base

Alessandro Maestri RH Pitch

Tony Thomas 2nd Basemen

Billy Muldowney RH Pitcher

Josh Donaldson Catcher

Stephen Vento Relief/Closer

John Muller RH Closer Type

And I didn't include Patterson due to the fact I think the Indians pretty much have their mind set with starting Barfield at 2nd base and Cabrara at short next season so they would most likely want the younger Thomas as a stop gap if Barfield slumps again.

And remember Indians are loaded with Outfielders and Left Handed Pitchers.

Who ever they trade with will most likely have a ready now closer type / Major League now or near ready can't miss Right handed picher to sandwich between their lefty starters or a Left Handed Thirdbaseman type with POP or Power. For they are loaded with right handed bats .

They will looking at all trades from their position of needs and these are the needs that Mark Shapiro brought up during an interview a couple days ago on STO Ohio sports talk show .

"Go CUBS, shutup darkstar moran

There is nothing more ironic then some moron (i mean, moran) calling somebody a name meaning to bring to light a flaw in the intelligence of the other person, only too spell moron wrong. That is just hilarious. Period.

P-e-r-i-d. Period."

You stupid ass. If you don't know the story behind "moran" you're certainly not a hip Cub fan. Piss off loser.

Others are jealous because in recent years the Cubs are finally opening the wallet to play like the big boys that they are, Yanks, Red Sox, Cubs, Mets and the two LA teams are in a completely different financial league than other teams in baseball. Money DOES buy success, and now all the NL wannabes are suddently peeing their pants about keeping up with the Cubs.

Well, get used to it. If the Cubs want CC, they'll get him. Period.

I think a lot of this is just a waste of time. I'll leave it at that.

But the fact of the matter is that the Cubs may not have anything awesome to offer, but no teams have really stepped up and made it seem like they'll offer anything special. Until a team like the Brewers, or the Red Sox, or the Rays says that they're seriously interested (we really haven't heard that yet) I think the Cubs are still totally in this.

Say the Rays offer Wade Davis and filler?

The Brewers offer Mat Gamel and filler?

Is that one stud prospect and filler legitimately worth more than Josh Vitters, with top prospects like Ceda and Colvin going as well? Vitters may not be as close to MLB-ready as Gamel or Davis, but the guy was probably the best pure hitter in the '07 draft, and still has huge potential with the bat. The Indians don't really have anyone like that in their organization that seems like a lock to play third. Chisenhall is sort of a mystery right now, and I've heard some brutal things about the defense of Beau Mills and Wes Hodges. Realistically, the Indians may be able to help themselves more if they landed Vitters and some good pitching prospects.

Now if the Brewers offer Gamel and then throw in Parra or Escobar, then suddenly everything changes. But the odds that the Brewers are willing to shell that much out for a rental is pretty low. You gotta feel like the odds are pretty high that Hendry would be willing to give up Vitters, Ceda, Veal and whatever else it would take.

"Cubs4ever,
'I just don't see many other teams giving up a prospect that some call the second coming of David Wright + a lot of other value in a package for Sabathia'
…Not sure what to tell you ~ everyone else says the Cubs will have a hard time coming up with a package that will get it done, esp one that fits the Indians wants/needs. So where you might feel that way about your players, no one else seems to…"

I didn't say the Cubs could easily get CC and that they matched up well with the Indians. I said that the package you were complaining about was probably the best the Tribe would see, and that the Cubs would sell house to get CC.

Most teams won't give up their top prospects for a three month rental even if they are renting the reigning AL Cy Young winner.

I mean do you honestly think that the Brewers will give you Gamel or LaPorta, or do you Indians fans all still think that you'll get Kemp & Broxton or Kemp & Billingsly from the Dodgers???

Scribble,
Yeah, one stud that fills a direct need and change is worth more than a couple lesser prospects which don’t fit into the system very well.

Cubs4Ever,
First I didn’t say you claimed anything could easily be done. Second, if they don’t match up well it should be your first indication of problems ~ problems compounded by the fact that the system is so weak at this time. Add to it the fact that no one, including the team, thinks the Cubs have enough to offer, and, well… Third, who ever said Kemp & Broxton or Kemp and Billingsly?

But do I think a top prospect will be offered? Considering its been rumored to be the case multiple times, I would have to say its more likely yes then no. Either way though, the Dodgers and Brewers are stacked with talent that either team would be extremely difficult to beat in a bidding war regardless of a top guy being offered.

And nah, Vitters/Murton/Cedeno/Marshall doesn’t really even top the package offered for Brian Roberts ~ and that wasn’t enough for the Cubs to land him… Vitters is the only real prospect in that group, and the other three would all be out of options next year meaning they would most likely be more headache then help when coupled with similar players in similar situations already on the team…

"You stupid ass. If you don't know the story behind "moran" you're certainly not a hip Cub fan. Piss off loser."

Too bad. I guess the jokes on me.

nrmax,

I think Johnny was talking about signing CC as a free agent.