Sherman's Latest: Bay, Nady, Holliday, Fuentes, Blake

As a Yankee fan....I don't want Nady. If you look at his career numbers, he's playing over his head and they are asking for an all-star return.

Jason Bay would be a good pick-up for the right price.

Kennedy for Fuentes? lol Fuentes will be a free-agent in a few months. Why give up a top prospect?

Casey Blake? No thanks.

What I'd like to see is Kennedy, Ohlendorf and Melky to the Pirates for Jason Bay and Damaso Marte. THAT would make sense.

What really sucks besides your spelling, is that the Pirates finally have a GM who doesn't have his head up his rear and he's no longer going to give players away for pennies on the dollar. If I have a choice of trading Bay and Nady and even Marte for garbage that will never amount to anything or keep the player, I choose to keep the player. You know as a Cardinal fan, you've been amazingly fortunate, you have one of the best managers in recent times and the best pitching coach on the planet in Duncan. He is amazing at getting something out of pitchers when they fail everywhere else. Your run will come to an end and you'll be left with Pujols and a bunch of roster fillers. Maybe then, you can buy a few vowels for that pathetic spelling.

dude what r u talking about? my spelling? what word is spelled wrong that starting pitcher? hell be back in the minors shortly so who cares anyways. u think all of the sudden the cards will suck? ok sure. im glad im from st louis. its nice having a real team to root for.

completely bozo to talk about someones spelling. first off all theres nothing wrong with it. second thats not the point. were supposed to be talking about baseball not grammar. find something else to do.

isnt the phrase "pirates" and leading the division" an oxymoron. lohse is fine u see. wellemeyer is already falling off. 2b and short isnt really any good thats for sure. i think ludwick will continue but schumaker id put at 50/50. glaus is more than fine and ankiel is making people forget about edmonds thats for sure.

all that said the cards r getting wainwright and carp back. also its possible that clement, t johnson, and kinney could give us something this year(possible). there is also no way the bullpen is as bad as the first half. it has problems but it has been one of the worst in baseball. a healthy wainwright and carp also makes the bullpen look better.

with say capps as our closer we would be in first place no question. the pirates are nowhere close to first place. u have no starting pitching. id trade bay, nady, marte, and anyone else who has value for 10 different young starters. say 2 or 3 work out. the pirates could build around those guys and go sign some hitters. no sense in middling in mediocrity thats for sure.

I think people are so used to the Pirates being dumb and/or desperate, they can't process the fact we have a sane GM who refuses to give players away for two fungo bats and a used jock.

Keeping our players costs us nothing. They're all under contract for next year (except Marte, but he brings compensation if he leaves).

Why would they trade anybody if all they're being offered is middling AA prospects that project as 4th or 5th starters or middle relievers? We have plenty of those already.

I love Huntington's "We don't have to do anything" attitude. It's true. Don't make trades just to make trades.

The Rays need a bat. The Yankees need a good lefty RP. L.A. needs a SS. Those things could affect them making a playoff run. It's up to them to decide how badly they want to win.

We aren't in a playoff race and won't be. But it's not our obligation to give our players away for nothing just to help them win.

"Yeah Casey Blake is going somewhere else. Cause I think of the line the Indians might have next year.
2B- Josh Barfield
SS- Asdrubal Cabrera
3B- Jhonny Peralta"

There has been no indication that Peralta will be moved to 3B. All the speculation is just that, the fans trying to piece a puzzle together with the wrong pieces. Until Barfield learns to draw a walk (something he does maybe 15 times in a year) he will not be a starter.

Blake WILL be traded because his contract is up and we won't want him next season... and if we did we will just sign him next year.

Right now this is our lineup next season.

2B- Cabrera
SS- Peralta
3B- Marte/Hodges

I just don't see Peralta being able to play 3B. He doesn't have the quickness/range to run up and cover bunts, nor does he have the reaction to play the hot corner.

Take his Coors performance out of the equation, and Holliday is an inferior player to Bay.

The Bucs don't have to do anything. Totally agree. However, if they are being offered a Sabbathia like return (1 stud prospect + others) for Bay they should jump on it.

Bay has been solid through the first half. But, if he regresses to his 07 numbers you have a guy with almost zero trade value. Since the Bucs aren't playing to win today they need to continue focusing on winning tomorrow. And by tomorrow I don't mean 09. Bay will be gone (either via FA or a trade) before the Pirates are resurgent. I can't imagine Bay's value being any higher than it is right now.

While we may disagree with how to handle Bay, we can all agree that Melky is not the solution. I'm so glad he is being exposed as the fraud that he is. To think people (i.e. Yankee fans) actually considered him a top talent this off-season. Talk about being blinded as a fan.

"we can all agree that Melky is not the solution. I'm so glad he is being exposed as the fraud that he is. To think people (i.e. Yankee fans) actually considered him a top talent this off-season. Talk about being blinded as a fan."

You can't really blame the fans for that. The Yankees as an organization tend to overvalue their talent. Look how Cashman held on to Hughes and Kennedy like they were precious gold this offseason. If he could go back in time, you better believe he'd gladly give up one (or both) to get Johan Santana.

As for the Pirates, JOELCARDS must have sources none of us do because of those names he mentioned, I've heard none of them linked to the Pirates.

If Boston offered Masterson for Wilson, we'd be idiots not to take it. If the Yanks offered us Kennedy for Nady or Marte, I agree we should jump on it immediately.

But I don't think we're being offered any of those players. I think we're being offered middling OF prospects and mediocre AAA relievers.

And why trade for those? Even for Marte... Why trade for two AA pitchers who have a 50-50 chance of making it to the big leagues when your chances are about as good if you keep the sandwich picks?

As I said, the Pirates don't have to do anything. Yes, Nady and Bay will probably be traded at some point but it doesn't have to be now. It could be this off-season. It could be next season. There's no reason to make a deal just to make one unless you're getting quality in return.

The burden is on the CONTENDERS, not the Pirates. If you think you can win the Series and all you need is Marte to do it, make an offer they can't refuse. You're the one with everything to lose if you don't.

the pressure is on the contending teams no question but its a waste for the pirates to keep these guys. its kind of like when u meet a girl. u want it and she wants it but u both want to play it cool. the pirates need and want(i think) young players. the contending teams want the veterans. win win for everyone, it just needs to get done.

and sanchez how bout reyes and duncan for marte alone? i think thats reasonable value. i dont think pittsburgh needs outfielders but reyes might be good there. no pressure or expectations.

"deal. now a lot of these guys have had some sort of problem along the way but once again if even 2 out of 10 work they could have a 1 or 2. think dan haren pirate fans.

homer bailey
adam miller
ian kennedy
nick adenhardt
jon niese(spelling?)
justin masterson"

Just to update an item in your list, Adam Miller will not be traded.

The Tribe actually offered Cliff Lee and Ben Francisco for Jason Bay in the beginning of the season, but Pittsburgh insisted on Miller which made the deal fall apart.