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Brewers Working On Durham Deal?
11:23pm: The San Francisco Chronicle's Henry Schulman comments on the rumor, noting the convenient timing of Durham's bout with the flu.
As was Haudricourt, Schulman is skeptical about a separate Rickie Weeks-to-San Francisco rumor floating about. But both beat writers acknowledged the rumor, so someone's putting it out there.
9:31pm: An update from Haudricourt. He believes the Brewers are working on a smaller deal for Jack Taschner or Ray Durham, rather than Street.
Haudricourt says the Brewers scouted Street but the scouts were not impressed. He's not coming to Milwaukee.
7:21pm: Brewers beat writer Tom Haudricourt thinks Oakland closer Huston Street is Milwaukee-bound. He says the word on the street is outfielder Darren Ford, 22, is the price. Ford was pulled from Brevard County's lineup before its game against Clearwater. Says Haudricourt:
The fact that Ford was pulled from the lineup makes me believe something could be up. He has no injury that I know of.
Baseball America did not list Ford among the Brewers' top 10 prospects before this season, but he was named the organization's fastest baserunner and best defensive outfielder. So far this year in the Florida State League, Ford is hitting .232 with a .321 OBP and a .307 SLG. He's got 44 steals in 87 games.
Coley Ward writes for Umpbump.com. You can reach him here.
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That can't be it. Darren Ford?
Brian Fuentes is gonna cost two studs but Street (younger, cheaper, under contract longer) costs you Darren Ford?
Maybe he's a piece of the deal but that can't be a straight up trade. Thats madness.
Posted by: scribbletone | July 19, 2008 at 07:28 PM
I've been wrong before, but this seems ridiculos! I seriously don't think that Beane would make a deal seemingly this bad. I want to see something official before I believe it. But we've seen him pull a lot of rabits out of his hat. As the saying goes: In Billy we trust.
Posted by: AriGoldisaG | July 19, 2008 at 07:30 PM
Agreed, there is no possible way that Beane gave up Street for Darren Ford. He can't even be the centerpiece of the deal. If this is true, I'm guessing a starting pitcher is part of the deal, maybe Jeffress, Braddock, or Periard could be possibilities.
Posted by: raysrule07 | July 19, 2008 at 07:32 PM
The Brewers are going to get Street for Ford, a player hitting .231 in class A. He must be a throw in. Billy Beane is to smart to get only him for Street. Maybe Mat Gamel and Darren Ford for Huston Street. This sucks as a Cubs fan because if the Brewers get Street they may be the favorites for the NL. The Cubs must answer with a reliever, now. I hope this isn't true.
Posted by: Joe | July 19, 2008 at 07:32 PM
Yeah, the more I think about it, there is no chance a straight up deal between Ford and street is all. It doesn't seem possible. Besides the article says he was just taken out of the lineup, maybe the manager just wanted to play someone else. Who doesn't have a .232 batting avg.
Posted by: AriGoldisaG | July 19, 2008 at 07:40 PM
I can already hear the brewers fans saying Beane is stupid, and telling cub fans they have no chance. This is gonna be a long night.
Posted by: AriGoldisaG | July 19, 2008 at 07:41 PM
I doubt the Brewers would offer Gamel the more I think about it. (Even though I posted it) Escobar is suposed to be untouchable, and their likely to shop JJ Hardy in the offseason. So why not JJ Hardy and Ford for Street.
"Brewers beat writer Tom Haudricourt thinks Oakland closer Huston Street is Milwaukee-bound. He says the word on the street is outfielder Darren Ford, 22, is the price."
Coley Ward, did you do the pun on purpose. by saying the word on the street.Just curious.
Posted by: Joe | July 19, 2008 at 07:45 PM
It's not Street.
http://blogs.jsonline.com/brewers/archive/2008/07/19/something-is-up-probably-not-street.aspx
Posted by: 44sallaround | July 19, 2008 at 07:45 PM
WSSP 1250 AM in Milwaukee is reporting that Milwaukee Brewers and the San Francisco Giants are close to a deal that would send Milwaukee's Double A Catcher Angel Salome, Single A prospect Outfielder/speedster Darren Ford, and Triple A First Baseman Brad Nelson to the Giants for Second Baseman Ray Durham, Reliever Jack Taschner, and a PTBNL.
Posted by: ncbowman | July 19, 2008 at 07:47 PM
and AriGold ...Don't worry, we don't need Street to catch you. Either way, it's gonna be a fun second half to watch in the NL Central!
Posted by: 44sallaround | July 19, 2008 at 07:47 PM
WSSP 1250 AM in Milwaukee is reporting that Milwaukee Brewers and the San Francisco Giants are close to a deal that would send Milwaukee's Double A Catcher Angel Salome, Single A prospect Outfielder/speedster Darren Ford, and Triple A First Baseman Brad Nelson to the Giants for Second Baseman Ray Durham, Reliever Jack Taschner, and a PTBNL.
Posted by: ncbowman | July 19, 2008 at 07:48 PM
Oops double-posted...my bad
Posted by: ncbowman | July 19, 2008 at 07:48 PM
The Giants deal ncbowman talked about makes more sense than Ford for Street.
Ford for Street is straight up idiocy. It won't happen. Taschner for Ford makes sense though.
Posted by: melonis rex | July 19, 2008 at 07:52 PM
Ford + Gamel for Street, now one would be talking.
Posted by: melonis rex | July 19, 2008 at 07:52 PM
I'm not a Brewers, Cubs, or A's fan, but the rumor is Huston Street for a guy who turns 23 later this year and is slugging .300 in High A-ball? Stop saying Beane's not that stupid. The fact is no one is that stupid. Ford looks like a third guy in a trade (like in the Blanton trade).
Posted by: aap212 | July 19, 2008 at 07:53 PM
"and AriGold ...Don't worry, we don't need Street to catch you. Either way, it's gonna be a fun second half to watch in the NL Central!"
WOW!!! I'm an A's fan. I'm guessing you thought I was a Cubs fan because I said that Brewer fans would tell cubs fans they have no chance. Yes I did but read the part before it. But ya it's gonna be a good race heading into august in the NL Central.
Posted by: AriGoldisaG | July 19, 2008 at 07:53 PM
Street and Fautino for Gamel and Ford.
Posted by: Joe | July 19, 2008 at 07:58 PM
"WOW!!! I'm an A's fan." In that case sir, I tip my beer to you.
If I were an A's fan, I sure as hell wouldn't want to give up Street. Despite his recent numbers, he's one hell of a pitcher. I was really hoping we picked him up.
Posted by: 44sallaround | July 19, 2008 at 08:02 PM
Why would the A's need to include Fautino? Gamel is a good prospect and Ford isn't. The two of them for Street isn't exorbitant. And if De Los Santos is ever 100% again, he's a better prospect than Gamel.
Posted by: aap212 | July 19, 2008 at 08:03 PM
I just don't think the Brewers would give up Gamel. The A's have a ton of pitching depth so they could afford to trade Fautino. maybe a lower level pitching prospect.
Posted by: Joe | July 19, 2008 at 08:08 PM
Even if the Brewers want to keep Gamel, they're not going to get a good closer under team control straight up for a C prospect.
Posted by: aap212 | July 19, 2008 at 08:20 PM
If Ford is the centerpiece of this deal then the Brewers should make the deal tonight. Ford is no where near as valuable as Street. This trade would be horrible for the A's. If Ford is the centerpiece then Beane is running Street out of town for the sake of being on this blog, stupid move. Street is under team control for three more years and has success, he is a proven player. Street is not perfect, but his skill and youth should make him likely to stay unless the A's get a hell of a deal and this isnt one.
Posted by: manny24 | July 19, 2008 at 08:58 PM
"WSSP 1250 AM in Milwaukee is reporting that Milwaukee Brewers and the San Francisco Giants are close to a deal that would send Milwaukee's Double A Catcher Angel Salome, Single A prospect Outfielder/speedster Darren Ford, and Triple A First Baseman Brad Nelson to the Giants for Second Baseman Ray Durham, Reliever Jack Taschner, and a PTBNL."
wow i don't think thats a good trade for the Brewers at all. Ford while not a superstar def. has upside and while who knows where Salome will play he has a nice bat. Durham is a nice player and has had a great career, but to pick up $4 mill in salary for the minor upgrade of Durham over Weeks doesn't seem to make much sense. The Crew would have Taschner for quite a few years but i think he's only really a 7th inning guy and doesn't have much upside other than being cheap.
Posted by: Steveo26 | July 19, 2008 at 09:06 PM
JSonline is reporting that the deal most liely isnt for street, most likely that these rumors came about because of the scout at yankee stadium vs the as and a decent prospect out of the lineup. STill not shut down though.
Posted by: glover28 | July 19, 2008 at 09:08 PM
That deal from 1250 is not true. The latest is Darren Ford for either Ray Durham or Jack Taschner.
Posted by: glover28 | July 19, 2008 at 09:13 PM
melonisrex, Joe:
"Ford + Gamel for Street, now one would be talking."
"Street and Fautino for Gamel and Ford."
You guys just don't get it huh? The Brewers are not gonna give up Gamel!!
Posted by: tamtane34 | July 19, 2008 at 09:23 PM
"Durham is a nice player and has had a great career, but to pick up $4 mill in salary for the minor upgrade of Durham over Weeks doesn't seem to make much sense."
Couldnt disagree more. Durhan is hitting .293 with an OBP. of .385, opposed to Weeks who is hitting .218 with an OBP of .322. Thats hardly a minor upgrade, especially when you take defense into it( i.e weeks plays none). Weeks is a bust plain and simple. Every year is suppose to be the year and yet, the Brewers are stuck with an awful performance. I hope DM finally makes the decision to shop this guy this offseason. Durham is a seasoned vet who has performed throughout his whole career and would make the Brewers better.
"The Crew would have Taschner for quite a few years but i think he's only really a 7th inning guy and doesn't have much upside other than being cheap."
Look at his numbers this year and ask, is he better than gagne and mota?? I would say a resounding yes. Again, good pickup for the Brewers either way.
Posted by: forlife61 | July 19, 2008 at 09:33 PM
We wouldnt pick up 4 million of durhams contact, hes only making 3.3 million this year, not to mention the year is more than half over. This is a great deal, now we add depth to the whole infield, and we add a much needed left handed bat. Good deal.
Posted by: glover28 | July 19, 2008 at 10:00 PM
"Thats hardly a minor upgrade, especially when you take defense into it( i.e weeks plays none)."
Durham an upgrade defensivley? I think not.
Posted by: LaLoosh's Nuke | July 19, 2008 at 10:15 PM
"Durham an upgrade defensivley? I think not."
Then you obviously havent seen weeks plays this year. Here are the numbers so far this year; Weeks 8 errors, Durham 3 errors. Weeks fielding % .978, Durham's fielding % .989. But dont let those facts get in the way of your argument.
Posted by: forlife61 | July 19, 2008 at 10:44 PM
I would rather see Durham + Taschner + PTBN for Weeks, Ford, and Salome. If weeks is a Bust I'd rather see him be a bust for us.
Posted by: Joe505 | July 19, 2008 at 10:47 PM
"We wouldnt pick up 4 million of durhams contact, hes only making 3.3 million this year, not to mention the year is more than half over. This is a great deal, now we add depth to the whole infield, and we add a much needed left handed bat. Good deal."
Durham is making $7.5 million this year with a $200,000 bonus if he is traded. http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2004/12/san-francisco-giants_30.html
Now maybe if you saw $3.3 million this year, maybe thats all the Brewers would be on the hook for but thats still an investment. I like Durham's veteran leadership, but I still think Weeks can be a star and this deal is more or less the writing on the wall for him. Also Durham is not a defensive upgrade over Weeks, while he might have a higher fielding percentage, his RZR rating is 32 points lower than weeks, and weeks has made 15 more plays out of his zone.
Posted by: Steveo26 | July 19, 2008 at 10:54 PM
Heres the deal with beanes next moves. The organization is now stocked with prospects and what beane is now looking for is not quantity but quality. I see duke and street getting traded for number one prospects straight up. beane might have to add a fringe top 10 with street to get a number one. The thing is that beanes 10-20 are as good as most teams 3-10's.
Posted by: thegoods24 | July 19, 2008 at 10:59 PM
"Even if the Brewers want to keep Gamel, they're not going to get a good closer under team control straight up for a C prospect."
- aap212
r u smoking hes leading double a in batting (hes batting over .375) - if u think hes a C prospect then an A prospect bats like .650
to be honest ur drunk or something - WOW!
Posted by: brewersfan09 | July 19, 2008 at 11:36 PM
"If weeks is a Bust I'd rather see him be a bust for us."
That is the stupidest thing I've heard since you other A's fans were thinking Gamel, Escobar, or Salome were going to be included in any trade!
Posted by: tamtane34 | July 19, 2008 at 11:41 PM
i agree 1000% with u tametane34 - good one
Posted by: brewersfan09 | July 19, 2008 at 11:46 PM
"r u smoking hes leading double a in batting (hes batting over .375) - if u think hes a C prospect then an A prospect bats like .650
to be honest ur drunk or something - WOW!"
He was obviously talking about Ford. Get your facts straight before unnecessarily having a pop at someone.
Posted by: DeJay | July 20, 2008 at 06:00 AM
Thank you DeJay. Gamel obviously isn't a C prospect, although the Brewers fans acting like he's an A prospect are a little weird, too. Unless Milwaukee is planning to trade Fielder, Gamel makes sense as trade bait.
But the idea that the A's would have to add an injured top prospect to a good closer in order to get ONE good prospect in return is nuts. Ford is a nobody. The A's won't trade Street without getting something good back.
Posted by: aap212 | July 20, 2008 at 03:08 PM
"although the Brewers fans acting like he's an A prospect are a little weird, too. Unless Milwaukee is planning to trade Fielder, Gamel makes sense as trade bait."
Ummm aap212 the Huntsville Stars(Gamel's team, in case you didn't know, because you don't sound like you know) sent 10 players(if you count LaPorta) to the the Southern League All Star game. A lot, huh? May I remind you the Southern League is known as a "pitcher's league"? Gamel and LaPorta went to the Futures Game, they were that good. Out of the 10 All stars Gamel is the best, I'd say better than LaPorta and I have the numbers to back me up. So, if you don't think Gamel is an A prospect, which you haven't clearly said, you beat around the bush, but if you think he isn't an A prospect than prove to me why he wouldn't be considered one! Oh yeah one more thing about your post. You said "unless Milwaukee trades Fielder...blah blah blah." You do know Fielder plays first and Gamel plays third right?
Posted by: tamtane34 | July 20, 2008 at 11:36 PM
Find me anyone who thinks Gamel can play third in the bigs before you say I don't know what I'm talking about. His bat could be very good at first, but he's not a big star on the make.
And before you hinge an argument around the futures game, take a look at the rosters. David Price and Matt Wieters weren't there, and they're actual A prospects.
Posted by: aap212 | July 21, 2008 at 01:35 AM
Just because David Price and Matt Wieters weren't on the roster means that you have to take something away from everybody on the roster? Its not like on the box score there is going to be an asterisk because those two weren't on the roster. I'll admit you are right about when Prince leaves. I read what you said and I didn't understand it right I guess. I apologize!
Posted by: tamtane34 | July 21, 2008 at 02:55 AM
I wasn't trying to take something away from everybody on the roster. I was just saying that you can't use someone's presence on the roster as evidence that they're an A prospect.
Again, I'm not saying that Gamel isn't a very good prospect. But I could name fifteen better prospects off the top of my head without coming up for air, he's blocked by better corner players at the positions he could feasibly play, and he definitely wouldn't be the best prospect traded this season (not even by the Brewers), so it's irrational to act like he's untouchable.
Posted by: aap212 | July 21, 2008 at 01:10 PM
aap212:
I know you probably haven't read this blog in a while, but I am still going to comment because this is just too funny! I'm not the only one who thinks Mat Gamel is EXCELLENT! Here, read this....
http://www.minorleaguenews.com/baseball/affiliated/features/articles2008/07/15/00.php
God, I love it when I'm right. You are obviously not a Brewer's fan....
Posted by: tamtane34 | July 25, 2008 at 03:14 PM
If thats not an A prospect than somebody please tell me what one is!
Posted by: tamtane34 | July 25, 2008 at 03:15 PM
"If thats not an A prospect than somebody please tell me what one is!"
An A prospect, as a positional player, is someone who has a strong bat to go with the ability to play a difficult position or someone likely to be an absolutely elite hitter at an easier position. Evan Longoria was an A prospect because he projected to hit very well (better than Gamel) and could definitely handle 3B, which no one thinks Gamel can. Gamel projects as a 1B with less bat than LaPorta, so how can you say Gamel's untouchable when the Brewers have traded better? How can you say it matters that I'm not a Brewers fan when you didn't even know that no one expects Gamel to be a 3B in the majors? Gamel's a top 25 prospect, but he's not Jay Bruce or something. Act accordingly. And maybe learn the difference between than and then.
Posted by: aap212 | July 25, 2008 at 08:25 PM