Stark's Latest: Cain, Beltre, Burrell, Wigginton

On the Fielder/Giants deal - As a Dodger fan, I would love to see the Giants get screwed out of Cain, but realistically I don't see Fielder as worth Cain. Cain is a young, durable, cheap strong #2 or weak ace pitcher. I do think Fielder is worth Sanchez + a low level prospect with upside.

As for Burrell, I really don't think 10/5 should come into it if the Phillies are going to sign him. Signing a guy with his skill set suggests that you want a player who will be in the lineup for the entire contract term. Burrell will be too old and too expensive to trade even without a 10/5 veto, and his bat makes WAY too much sense in that ballpark.

I liked the Reyes pickup. I think he just needed a change of scenery.

I'm glad Cleveland didn't get Quentin, even if Lee is tearing it up.

Adam, I'm hoping Anthony Reyes succeeds because I was really excited about rising the ranks through the organization...

With that said, keeping the ball in the park is not one of his strong suits: this is a guy who allowed 41 HR's in 220.2 IP in St. Louis!

I suppose you could reason that the dude was getting hit hard because he was pitching under a different philosophy. However, I think him getting hit hard was just as much a result of not having the stuff we thought he did.

Reyes was always somewhat of an enigma. He always had decent sabermetrical stats that led a lot of people to believe that he was just unlucky and was poised to break out... but watching him with your eyes told a different story: this was a guy who just didn't seem like a major league-caliber pitcher.

Basically, unless he sustains a low home run rate (which history suggests he won't), he's not going to have success. But here's hoping he turns the corner.

Reyes could definitely be the #4 next year. His stats in the minors were definitely better than "decent". To me, early on, He did look like a major leaguer. Winning a world series game, throwing a 1 hitter against the white sox...he was good. Duncan doesn't groom young pitchers very well unless they like throwing the 2 seam fastball. Reyes is a four seam guy that likes to pitch up in the zone. That can hurt him at times...but he isn't going to start being a sinkerballer now. He will be in the majors for years...won't be an ace, but should be a solid middle of the rotation guy. Good pickup for Cleveland.

Wow...i can only imagine if the giants give up any of their young pitchers (sanchez et all) in some sort of a deal where the key component coming back is Adrian Beltre. I would have to say that sounds like typical Sabean.

@ philswschamps,

you think donald could play SS everyday starting in april?

if i'm trading j-roll in a deal to the giants for a young starter, i'm probably throwing in whatever it takes to get lincecum. notice i said probably.

oh and pat burrell ranks fourth among left fielders in major league baseball in zone rating.

sagging SF attendence?? are you kidding me we still avg. 35,000+ a game with a bottom 5 team. Lincecum isnt going anywhere.. we dont need anymore OFs, expecially pat burrell. I'd be willing to give up Henry Sosa and Sanchez for J Roll.

i guess we'll be taking our services elsewhere...

ohan,

now don't get testy, haha. For a bottom 5 team 85% of capacity is good I'm just saying JROLL, added wins or not would bring another big boost to get you all back to 90-95% capacity that it was for the last couple years. You keep a bottom 5 team and fans will give up.

I used to say the only player the Giants could trade Cain for would have to be David Wright. But I now face the facts and see we need to trade him. I think that Cain + Manny Burris for Prince Feilder and Rickie Weeks sounds good. This allows the Brewers and option to sign a Mark Grudilanec? I don't know how to spell his name. But It gives them an ace after Sheets retires. The Giants fill the first and SS hole. I say SS because we would have to move Rickie to Short so Frandsen can play 2cnd. This is a good deal for both teams! They need to do it!

Are you joking? FIelder is worth about 4 Sanchezs!

"Are you joking? FIelder is worth about 4 Sanchezs!"

Sanchez is a 25 year old lefty with excellent command who has had a ton of bad luck this season (his WHIP is not all that far off of Cain's). The reason he + a prospect is worth Fielder is because power hitting 1B are not all that hard to find, whereas lefties who strike people out are.

"If all it takes to land Prince Fielder is an injured pitcher with a 4.50 ERA then I say the Brewers are selling really low. I'm sure my Angels would be happy to give you Jered Weaver (lower ERA, better track record) for Prince."

That would be an interesting deal, but I don't see the Angels doing it. They still like Weaver too much at this point to move him. I do like the idea of Adenhart + Sean Rodriguez for Fielder, because I think Fielder would take less to sign a long term deal (remember how he was miffed about Braun's contract?)

Id rather resign Tex than trade for Fielder... although if Tex left then I would trade Adenhart OR Weaver, Aybar & a prospect for Fielder & Hardy. That would be a good trade for both teams but Id rather have Tex.

you were joking about the Rios trade right?

Sanchez plus a high prospect not a low prospect.

1 for 1 big name trades rarely occur so Cain for Prince most likely would never happen

sanchez or lowry for matsui sees to make sense.

@ thegoods
both Lowry and Matsui are damaged goods right now, as Matsui only has about 305 ABs, and Lowry hasnt pitched this season. It would not seem smart to sell low. I dont think Matsui has much left in him now a days. Lowry when healthy can be a steady no. 4 workhoarse

Seals,

You're off on the Giants Pitcher for Matsui memory. Lincecum wasn't considered as a possibility in it. Some wrote Cain, but he never really was either--as you can find by doing research. It was for Sanchez, and Sanchez has since increased his value by a fair bit.

TruDu22,

you kidding me? Pelfrey. Can he prove it for more than a year. Hamels is 10x the pitcher Pelfrey is. Heck Myers rocked him tonight. GO PHILS!!

Oh and can Wright GET TO the world series before you compare him to Jeter.

how good is matt cain? what would his record be if he was on a decent team? Is he a future ace?

haha testy huh? My simple point was that Pelfrey has to perform better longer to be what cain is, that's all. Remember last year? Pelfrey couldn't get anyone out and his ERA was over 5.5 over 13 starts. Even the beginning of this year his ERA was hovering around 5 around the beginning of June.

MM6492,

I'd do that deal. I'd even add a Quintin Berry or preferably a Stutes or Worley from Lakewood if necessary. I'd rather do one of the pitchers becuase Berry's going to be good in 2-3 years if he can keep his average up. The outfield in Reading next year should be very very good with him and Taylor