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According to Sid Hartman of the Minneapolis Star-Tribune:
The Twins won't talk about it, but it's expected that Delmon Young, the left fielder they obtained from Tampa Bay before this past season, will be made available on the trade market.
It seems an odd time to shop Young, but moving him for a shortstop or third baseman might clear the way for an outfield of Michael Cuddyer, Carlos Gomez, and Denard Span.
Young, 23, hit .290/.336/.405 in 623 plate appearances. He made some progress in his walk rate, and at least slugged .448 after June 1st.
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Really didn't see this coming but there seems to be such a huge demand for Shortstops now I'm really not sure who is a match.
Posted by: Dev0 | October 06, 2008 at 09:04 AM
Ol' Sid throws a lot of spaghetti against the wall, and most of it rarely sticks. If this rumor came from LaVelle E Neal or Joe Christenson from the same paper, I'd put more credence to it.
Posted by: malete | October 06, 2008 at 09:25 AM
What about Ryan Zimmerman from the nationals??? i dont know if thats possible but i like it
or Cantu.....
Posted by: thiela | October 06, 2008 at 09:26 AM
Lowrie for Delmon.
Delmon, Drew, & Cash for
Matt Holliday.
Posted by: celtics464 | October 06, 2008 at 09:28 AM
Lowrie would not get u Delmon
Posted by: thiela | October 06, 2008 at 09:31 AM
The Reds are definitely in the market for a RH OF bat. I'm wondering if the Reds could part with Edwin Encarnacion plus a pitching prospect for Young. The Reds could then acquire Beltre to plug the 3B hole for a year while a few of the Reds' many 3B prospects are allowed to develop for another year.
That would really help the Reds out, but I'm wondering if the Twins would even consider dealing Young for Encarnacion + 1. I guess it would depend upon who the "+ 1" is. Any opinions or is my idea completely outrageous?
Posted by: AlphaZero | October 06, 2008 at 09:32 AM
Reid Brignac could fit the bill above avg defense and a high upside power bat for his position, throw in a pitcher that is going to be left off the 25 man roster next year for the Rays (Jackson/Niemman) type and it sounds good if young can keep up that slugging percentage for TB, too bad he burned every bridge in Tampa Bay and Minnesota would probably be tentative to do another deal with the rays front office (Youngs walks progressed as well). With Cantu I think Minnesota would at lease consider a deal, if they have brendan harris why not add another pair of cement shoes with a good bat to the infield.
Posted by: CubFanRaysaddict | October 06, 2008 at 09:34 AM
"Lowrie would not get u Delmon"
It would be closer than you think.
Posted by: Paul AKA twinsfan | October 06, 2008 at 09:40 AM
Could this be an option for the Braves in LF? This has to be cheaper than Burrell, Manny, or Dunn. He's a young right handed bat, a better fielder than those other 3, and potentially cheaper. Maybe Lillibridge and something else for him?
And if this option doesn't work for Atlanta, what is the best option to fill LF for them?
Posted by: Hizzayes | October 06, 2008 at 09:46 AM
All of Sid Hartman's inside sources died 20 years ago, I wouldn't exactly trust a word he said under most circumstances.
However, there have been a lot of rumblings about this elsewhere so it may be legit. However, if the only reason they are putting Delmon up is that "he doesn't play the Twins way," then they are stupid because he was a dang good player for us this season.
Posted by: joeiscool12 | October 06, 2008 at 09:53 AM
How about EE, Bailey, and Janish...we can even throw in someone else, or be useed as a salary dump if needed. Delmon Young doesnt walk a whole lot, but he would for sure add to the Reds lineup and the young nucleus of a team.
Posted by: GmblngPtchr20 | October 06, 2008 at 10:13 AM
It would take atleast Yunel and a young righty reliever from the braves.... lillibridge i dont think fits the bill of a righty power bat to hit 5th
Posted by: thiela | October 06, 2008 at 10:30 AM
What am I missing? Didn't Cuddy play 3B a few years ago? Did he get that much bigger/worse at the position?
Posted by: Raf821 | October 06, 2008 at 10:34 AM
What do you think this says of the deal the Rays made this past fall? With the market for SS as it is and Bartlett being names the Ray's MVP and Garza being a key part of their starting rotation, I feel like this deal is why the Rays are going to end up going deep into the playoffs and the Twins are at home right now. Harris and Pridie were virtually worthless.
Posted by: allenri2 | October 06, 2008 at 10:42 AM
JJ Hardy for Young?
Posted by: Lidocaine | October 06, 2008 at 10:45 AM
Wow why does every Boston and NY fan think anyone of their players would be such a blessing and we would trade any player just to have a small piece of a player that played in Boston or NY??!?!? And Paul AKA twinsfan, can i hear some sources or somethingthat makes you think the Twins would give up on a guy who is what,23? Delmon hit just fine down the stretch, So tired of reading these ignorant assumptions
Posted by: migoli | October 06, 2008 at 10:47 AM
thiela,
if you want a righty power hitting SS hitting 5th, why do you mention yunel?
Posted by: barracus79 | October 06, 2008 at 10:50 AM
how about Dan Uggla for Delmon Young
Minn moves their 2B to SS, puts Uggla in there at 2B or puts Uggla at 3rd base. It gives them a power bat under control for the next year 3 years as well. It fixes the issue for defense from the RF spot for the marlins (which is their major need and more likely then crawford).
This is a win win situation for both teams.
Posted by: Fishfan79 | October 06, 2008 at 10:53 AM
I'd say that Encarnacion and Bailey for Delmon Young would be a pretty good deal for both the Reds and the Twins.
The Twins would get a young (25) 3B and a very young (22) SP with high upside. Both players definitely have their warts. Encarnacion will hit for decent average and power but can be streaky, and he can pick it defensively but has an inaccurate arm at times. He would at least contribute immediately. Bailey was a top prospect just a year ago and still throws in the mid-90's. He really needs to develop his breaking stuff though and is a work in progress. A change of scenery might do him good.
Obviously the Reds would get a RH OF in Young who can play defense and can hit but needs to work on his walk rate. As a Reds fan, I'd do the trade, but I'm not sure if the Twins would sign off on it.
Posted by: AlphaZero | October 06, 2008 at 10:54 AM
barracus,
I didnt say he was a power hitter but he has more power then lillbridge and for the twins 15-20 Hrs at SS or 3b is a power hitter.... Yunel plays the twins way
Posted by: thiela | October 06, 2008 at 11:00 AM
Alex Gordon for Delmon Young.
Teahen back to 3B where he belongs.
Royals OF in '09 - Young LF, DeJesus CF, Guillen RF...Gathright backing up.
Posted by: Otis26 | October 06, 2008 at 11:01 AM
Honestly I see no need for the Twins to trade him they could sign a SS i.e. Furcal, Cabrerra. They would be better served trading one of thier backend staters for a guy like Jack Wilson or Lillibridge. If they did trade Young the only SS in the league that matchup in my opinion are Brignac and Lowrie or possibly Hu from LA but if they don't get Furcal back forget about that one.
Posted by: BucSox | October 06, 2008 at 11:02 AM
"Royals OF in '09 - Young LF, DeJesus CF, Guillen RF...Gathright backing up."
Guillen is getting traded, he offered to forfiet most of his salary to make it happen.
Posted by: BucSox | October 06, 2008 at 11:03 AM
The more I think about it, how about a 3 way trade with the Rockies, Twins and Red Soxs?
Rockies send Holliday to the Red Soxs and Atkins to the Twins
Twins send Young to the Rockies
Red Soxs send almost anything to the Rockies. I like Bay plus Buchholtz then the Sox sign someone like Lowe. However that bumps Hawpe out of the outfeild and are the Rockies really going to be that interested in a one year rental on Drew?
Posted by: allenri2 | October 06, 2008 at 11:05 AM
Personally I think moving Young wouldd be a mistake. He showed improvement over the course of the year and seems close to breaking out and post something like a .310/.360/.520 performance with great defense in right. Obviously though if they could fill some holes though they could afford to move him, it just could come back to haunt them considering Cuddyer and Span don't have nearly the upside that Young has.
That being said, the Braves could offer them Escobar and then some, that's one potential deal. The Braves still have Lillibridge, but then again with Hernandez, Heyward, Shafer and Jones, the Braves may be better off keeping their long term SS.
I agree that the Reds would be serious contenders for landing Young. He fits their need for a corner outfielder, and would give their lineup some serious young talent with Bruce and Votto. A deal would likely cost the Reds Edwin Encarnacion, as well as a young shortstop, either Valaika or Frazier. The Twins would likely show interest in Bailey but would probably persue a long term shortstop first
Posted by: scribbletone | October 06, 2008 at 11:11 AM
"are the Rockies really going to be that interested in a one year rental on Drew?"
Drew is signed for 3 more years, not that it matters, Bay + Buchholz for Holliday is ridiculous.
Posted by: Meoveryouok | October 06, 2008 at 11:45 AM
I love the Twins and I watch these things happen every year. The Twins love young players and Delmon is one that will only get better. They rarely pull the trigger on these things so we will all have to wait and see.
Bill Smith is a direct prototype of Terry Ryan (our old GM) and IF there is a deal there is a good chance we all post here at that time saying how good of a deal it was.
Posted by: stolenbase | October 06, 2008 at 11:49 AM
Are you people crazy? Delmon Young hasn't shown a lick of power in the majors in two years, yet people are saying they wouldn't trade him for guys like Lowrie? Or that the Rockies would take just him for Holliday? Good grief. The guy had a 115 isolated slugging percentage this year.
Posted by: aap212 | October 06, 2008 at 12:05 PM
"What about Ryan Zimmerman from the nationals???"
so you'd have an outfield of young, milledge and dukes? that would be amazing....
Posted by: scatterbrian | October 06, 2008 at 12:16 PM
Like I said earlier.
Lowrie for Young.
Young, Drew, Cash/prospect(s) for Holliday.
thats the best that COL will ever get for him if they were to trade him. otherwise they can watch him leave in FA (bay/buchholz would never be involved)
A lot more possible than some would like to think. Delmon Young hasn't shown anything yet. He's known for having an attitude and taking aggressive swings with lack of power. Not so far fetched.
I'm not throwing out anything ridiculous here. The Rockies might not accept it thinking they could get more or can actually be competitive when neither will actually happen.
Posted by: celtics464 | October 06, 2008 at 12:23 PM
"so you'd have an outfield of young, milledge and dukes? that would be amazing...."
Yeah, you can't draft a team like that.
"Young, Drew, Cash/prospect(s) for Holliday."
Not happening.
Posted by: start_wearing_purple | October 06, 2008 at 12:32 PM
"Are you people crazy? Delmon Young hasn't shown a lick of power in the majors in two years, yet people are saying they wouldn't trade him for guys like Lowrie?"
High up-side.
And people want a piece of the upside. Can't see how that's crazy.
The "show me" attitude is OK too, don't get me wrong. But Delmon Young has a great deal of potential, and that is very valuable.
Posted by: wihargo | October 06, 2008 at 12:35 PM
Lowrie has the upside of playing shortstop. That's a huge consideration. I really don't understand some of the thinking here.
Zimmerman has shown significantly more bat in the majors than Young, he plays a more valuable defensive position, and he plays it extremely well. The Nationals would have to be really crazy to do that.
Posted by: aap212 | October 06, 2008 at 12:38 PM
"Guillen is getting traded, he offered to forfiet most of his salary to make it happen."
I would like to see where you're getting that info from. Nothing of the kind is even being hinted at here.
Supposedly Guillen said as much at the trading deadline but he denied it. If there's one thing I know about Guillen...if he said he wanted a trade he would admit to it - he doesn't mince words.
Posted by: Otis26 | October 06, 2008 at 12:47 PM
The Twins will never trade Delmon for Lowrie. Ever. Lowrie doesn't have much power and that is what the Twins need and doesn't play any better defense than Punto. That makes no sense. I'd take Punto over Lowrie. You east coast fans are in your own little world.
Posted by: tonyj0502 | October 06, 2008 at 01:17 PM
Tony, Punto can't hit. Lowrie can. Young is a corner outfielder and hasn't shown any offense in the majors. This isn't an east coast bias thing. Lowrie is one of the best prospects in the game and fills a positional need for the Twins.
Posted by: aap212 | October 06, 2008 at 01:31 PM
How about this for a crazy trade idea:
Minny gets:
Headley or Kouz plus a one of our AA pitchers
SD gets:
Young
Posted by: AirmanSD | October 06, 2008 at 01:38 PM
Punto hit .286 this year and Lowrie at .258. I know that Lowrie is young and all that good stuff but he looks like a young Punto to me. Not a great hitter but can hold a job with great defense. The twins need an impact bat not a step back thats why it makes no sense.
Posted by: tonyj0502 | October 06, 2008 at 01:39 PM
No way, imo, the Twins trade Young for anyone who isn't virtually guaranteed to jack 30+ HRs AND be under team control for several years to come.
Kubel is more likely to dealt than Young. I think Kubel has one arbitration year left and he hasn't demonstrated that he's a long term component of the team's core. Young just turned 23, has the body that will allow for greater power development.
If this speculation is based on something Sid wrote, boy is this an exercise in wasted time. You simply can't believe a word he writes any more (if you ever could).
Posted by: JimCrikket | October 06, 2008 at 01:40 PM
"What do you think this says of the deal the Rays made this past fall? With the market for SS as it is and Bartlett being names the Ray's MVP and Garza being a key part of their starting rotation, I feel like this deal is why the Rays are going to end up going deep into the playoffs and the Twins are at home right now. Harris and Pridie were virtually worthless. "
I remember when that deal was made. Like 90 percent of the commenters thought the Rays had been fleeced. Hah.
Posted by: nrmax88 | October 06, 2008 at 02:10 PM
Tony, you're really going by batting average? Punto has a career 319 OBP and has never slugged 400 for a season. There is no reason to think Lowrie won't be a much better hitter if you look at his minor league career.
JimCrikket, are you implying that Delmon Young is guaranteed to hit 30 home runs a year? Because that's pretty optimistic at this point.
Posted by: aap212 | October 06, 2008 at 02:35 PM
aap, I'm certainly not implying Young will hit 30 HR a year, but RH power hitting is what the Twins will be looking for and they're not going to trade a 23 yo .290 hitter with considerable potential (not to mention minimum wage outlay) unless they get an offer that provides that RH power hitter at a comparable price.
Why would they trade Young for someone older, more expensive, who produces 15-20 HR a year, probably hits less than .290 and may have topped out in terms of potential... when it's not at all unreasonable to expect Young to produce 15-20 HR power by the time they open the new stadium and will still be under indentured servitude for years to come?
Posted by: JimCrikket | October 06, 2008 at 03:09 PM
"so you'd have an outfield of young, milledge and dukes? that would be amazing...."
Ya you would have the most troubled outfield in history. lol. you'd have to have guards in the outfield.
Posted by: ballerwhiteboy | October 06, 2008 at 03:20 PM
An outfield of Milledge/Dukes/Young would be unreal though. Elijah Dukes probably has more upside of any player in baseball right now. The guy has every tool possible you want in a superstar. He is big, strong, good plate discipline, good speed, good fielder, rocket launcher arm, immense power, etc. Millegde and Young still both have good upside as well, especially Young, but Milledge made some improvements in his first full year also. Milledge is just a few adjustments from being a much better player. With all 3, the tools are obviously there.
On a side note though, I think Elijah Dukes is probably the scariest man in the world.
Posted by: nrmax88 | October 06, 2008 at 03:33 PM
What about dealing the Twins Kelly Johnson?
They could then move Casilla to SS and pickup Beltre or another great option for 3b...
That would give them the OF flex they are looking for and give the Braves their OF bat...along w/ that, I think Kelly would fit nicely in Minnesota and hit well there.
That being said, obviously it wouldn't take just KJ to get it done...maybe KJ + Jo Jo Reyes?
Posted by: Braves22 | October 06, 2008 at 03:41 PM
It's too early to say who truly got the best of the trade w TB. Garza didn't have the mindset of Twins pitchers and didn't agree with management. He's done pretty well with TB this year, but he probably wouldn't have done as well if he was still in Minny. Bartlett is a fairly solid shortstop, and if the Twins regretted part of the trade (which I don't think they do), he would have been that part. The biggest problem was that he couldn't handle high pressure situations well (at least when he was with the Twins).
Harris played well this year for the Twins, so he was a valuable part of the team. Pridie hasn't done anything (but did anyone expect him to?) Young has a lot of potential, and played fairly well this year. His power was down, but I think it was lower because of the Twins coaching and their hitting philosophies. Look at Ortiz's numbers when he was with the Twins compared to his numbers with the Sox. The same thing is happening with Delmon.
Right now after one year, TB is on top, but the Twins didn't make the trade to impact just one year. It will have to be re-examined in a few years and see what happens with both teams and players.
Posted by: mnmojo | October 06, 2008 at 03:43 PM
Kelly Johnson probably would fit in well, he's a versatile player. It's just too early to give up on Young.
Posted by: mnmojo | October 06, 2008 at 03:45 PM
i don't see them trading delmon, unless they get a lot for him. he has so much upside and is very cheap for an outfielder, not to mention he's under control for 4 more years. he hits bombs in batting practice, so he has power, he just needs to learn to recognize pitches and learn the strike zone. if there's any organization that can do that, it's minnesota.
i think in the end, the twins will get beltre from the M's for pitching prospects, and keep nick punto for short.
Posted by: minnesotawins | October 06, 2008 at 10:46 PM
I have posted this before in another thread, but I really think this would could make BS look like a genuis. Trading 7 players for 2. This would be a trade with the Rockies, who are looking for pitching.
Rockies send Matt Holliday and Garrett Atkins to the Twins. Twins send (majors) Delmon Young, Boof Bonser, Nick Blackburn, Micheal Cuddyer, Brian Buscher, (AAA) Brian Duensing and (AA) Jeff Manship.
This gives the Rockies the majors ready pitching they want, a few to groom, and OF with potential.
Twins get the power hitting right handed bat that makes it possible to move Mauer to the 2 spot and a 3B that will have a little more power than Buscher...and will probably field a little better also.
Posted by: GusRichards | October 07, 2008 at 04:35 PM
Jason Donald for Young? Maybe the Phils could throw in someone else to sweeten the deal. Dont know who though.
Twins get a good defensive SS, who seems perfectly capable of putting up a .800+ OPS every season, and who will be very cheap for the next few years.
Phillies get a much cheaper replacement for Pat Burrell. One who is much younger and has alot of upside. Citizens Bank Park could also help his home run numbers. Then the Phillies could use all the money they would save on Burrell to make a nice offer to Matt Holliday when he hits FA.
Posted by: jman1984 | October 12, 2008 at 07:10 PM