Colletti: No Offer To Manny Yet

Comes out to about $1M for every 4 RBI...

Thats pretty crazy. The fact that boris is going to get some long term deal for manny (4 to 5 years) seems a little mind blowing to me. Sure he dominated the national league for the second have and showcased his skills during the playoffs but to throw around unreasonable money for someone who probably cant maintain the same level of production for the duration of the contract is stupid.

So let's see - Manny is realistically going to get 4 years, maybe 5. For how much? Nobody is going to pay $25M per year for 5 years.

Maybe he could get $90M for 4 years, or $105M for 5.

That means, the difference between that and this offer is either $30M for 2 years, or $45M for 3.

If Manny doesn't take the $60M/2 offer, he's basically saying that he doesn't think he can get $30M over 2 years after it's up.

Is that going to inspire confidence in the teams that make him a 4 or 5 year offer?

This is a risky move by the Dodgers. Manny could actually accept, and they'll be stuck paying a guy worth no more than $15M once defense in considered twice that.

Smart move from the Dodgers... if it's even true. Considering this story/rumor originated in the NY Post, basically a tabloid, I'm not putting too much stock into this.

I would be happy with this deal as a Dodger fan because not only does it give the Dodgers a very good chance of getting back to the playoffs (assuming they also add a 4th starter), it also ensures the team will be a lot of fun to watch. Perhaps most importantly, it would mean that the Dodgers won't be doing a 4-5 year deal with a player who is 37.

Long suffering Dodger fans haven't had a legit slugger since Shawn Green, and have never seen an RBI machine like Manny.

I have a feeling Boras won't take it though.

Man, so many people saying Manny should take the deal...and so many people are dead wrong.

If Manny has any kind of bad knee injury, then this is his last two years of guaranteed money. He can't play half his games at DH in LA to prolong his career. He'll wait for a 4 year deal for an insane amount of money, all guaranteed and be wealthier than if he takes this two year deal. The offer is heavily weighed in the Dodgers favor.

If the Dodgers are smart, they DON'T offer any option years. the point of the 30 mill is that they aren't taking him for 5 years. If they wanted him for 5 years, they wouldn't offer 150 million...so why do it with options? i don't care if they are vesting or not. This concept needs to be taken by more teams. Money up front for the years that they can actually get there money back...the concept of paying a 37 year old for this years production over the next 5 years is just idiotic. Kinda like the A-Rod contract. The yankees will be eating more on that contract than the giants are on Zito. Long Term huge contracts should be a thing of the past now that we see young guys can form an incredible core like the rays and marlins have done recently. What has 200 million per year gotten the yankees in the past 5 years...about a billion dollar band-aid...

Bobo, I would be extremely happy if he accepted this offer. If the Dodgers do not bring back Manny, I would not be surprised if they made no changes to their outfield, unless they can get a favorable deal to move Pierre. I would see them re-signing Furcal, getting the best 2nd/3rd baseman, which is Hudson, and a top of the line starter.

"If the Dodgers are smart, they DON'T offer any option years. the point of the 30 mill is that they aren't taking him for 5 years."

The option years would be in the hands of the Dodgers, not Manny. If Manny wasn't performing to standards, Dodgers would decline options, no say by Manny/Boras.

"That's actually a smart contract. High, high per year, but low years.

Dodgers might have to add option years for Manny to bite though. "

I agree. I said the Mets should offer something like this and people killed me, saying nobody would offer Manny 2/56. It makes sense. Offer him a 3rd year option worth another 30. He won't get 30 mil a year at age 39 anyway so he won't try to opt out for more money. This seems like the way to go with MAnny.

There's no basis to this rumor, people. It's a made up story by a couple of nuts in NY looking to stir the pot and spin the whole Manny saga in favor of NY.

The Dodgers, as recently as yesterday, have said they haven't even spoken to Boras yet regarding Manny.

On the flip side, as much as I'd love Manny back (at no more than 3 years max), if Manny were to sign for nearly $30MM/year, then where's the rest of the money gonna come from when they have to find a front-line SP to replace the departing D-Lowe, a new 2B or 3B (depending where they decide Blake DeWitt is better suited to play next year), to re-sign pending FA Beimel, maybe even Chan Ho Park, and not to mention re-sign Furcal???

Just signing Manny alone isn't going to be enough...

*if manny=30m, 13m=furcal=11m hudson is the money comming of books

^^ Not lately

i figure most people on the dodger posts know whos arb. eliagble, and how much theyll prob make, which is why i didnt include it. but yes, ur right, about 10m will go to arb. raises

"I agree. I said the Mets should offer something like this and people killed me, saying nobody would offer Manny 2/56. It makes sense. Offer him a 3rd year option worth another 30. He won't get 30 mil a year at age 39 anyway so he won't try to opt out for more money. This seems like the way to go with MAnny."

I've been saying similar as well. Mets are a large market team, the low years, high dollar looks ideal."

I think the other thing you have to look at is all the money the Mets are going to make with the opening of CitiField. With a shiny, new stadium, I would expect that in the short term the Mets should have a little extra cash, and they should want to go into the new stadium with a bang. If Manny was in left and batting cleanup behind Wright, I promise you that stadium would fill everyday, even though it likely will already.

I still think he ends up back in Los Angeles, though, on a three year deal. I just can't see Manny and Boras taking a two year deal, considering that this is likely Manny's last shot at a big long term contract.

"Of course, it is possible that Manny realizes that he won't hit his performance threshold and then quit. Can't see that working out well for him. Some teams might look past him quitting in Boston but if he pulls that crap again there is no one who will want him."

I think that if Manny really wants it, there are few statistical thresholds that he can't reach.

I keep on coming back to this and all I can say is god damn:

Ramirez's 2008 LA Line: .396/.489/.743 in 187 at bats. That's a .1232 OPS. That's a 219 OPS+. Obviously he wasn't just going out, he was a little lucky and just plain hot. But still. If he's capable of turning it on like that at age 36, then I think its a bad idea to doubt Manny.

Valid point bjsguess, but i don't think Manny wants anything to do with options(unless its a complete player option)

I thought the dodgers were slim on Money? They need a starter at SS, 3B,another SP and try and sign Manny? I don't see that all happening. That's why i do believe that the Russ Martin rumors are true, they want to trade Martin and an expensive contract(Jones, Pierre or Schmidt) so they can free up money to fill their needs.

Schimdt and Martin combined would make about 20 million or so next year- In return they could get a starter back and a bulpen arm to replace Biemal. Boston seems like a mtch they have the players to offer and the money to take abck one of those contracts..

dodgers have around 54M coming off the books this year

"Schimdt and Martin combined would make about 20 million or so next year- In return they could get a starter back and a bulpen arm to replace Biemal. Boston seems like a mtch they have the players to offer and the money to take abck one of those contracts.."

1) Who says Beimel is going anywhere?

2) Why in the world would the Dodgers reduce Martin's trade value by putting Schmidt in the deal. If they are going to make such an asinine trade as sending Martin away, they had better get max value out of it. Given that sending him to the Red Sox would mean something like Lester + Lowrie + Ellsbury, I don't think they will bite.