Cafardo's Latest: Lugo For Dontrelle?

.139...wow, the Sox are better off trading for Dontrelle, just to improve their minor league team...

If i was the sox i would trade lugo for willis because i believe he can be fixed adn at the very least become a lefty specialist, a very high paid one. i

You can never have too much pitching, The Sox should definately do this trade for Dontrelle or even Nate. Lugo should be a bench player at best.

This would be a stupid trade for the Tigers.

I have always thought Willis was the most overrated pitcher in baseball....that being said lugo is aweful and the sox have no need for him. Willis is still young and maybe john farrel can help him fix whatever is wrong. If not they only have to deal with him for 2 years

stupid rumor:
it would be trading on pile of sh!t for another pile of crap
Dumb
Not going to happen

this may be a dumb question, but whatever happened with d-train anyway?

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Not a boston fan but this would be a nice move for the red sox

1. J. Lester
2. J. Beckett
3. D. Matsusaka
4. D. Willis
5. T. Wakefield

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when people talk of willis, you are aware he was getting shelled at single A dunedin, playing 19 & 20 yr old kids, yes?

to me lugo got HURT and lost his starting job to another kid who was solid, no problems.

yanksfan: haven't you noticed detroit is setting the world on fire with stupid deals?

If Detroit can summon the brain cells, they should send Robertson for Lugo. I wouldn't give up on a guy I just signed last year.

Ty-Gerrrr:

You are out of your mind if you think that Dontrelle freakin' Willis or Nate Robertson is enough to get you Coco Crisp. That's absolutely preposterous. Neither of those two players are worth Crisp. Crisp can hit pretty decently, at around a .280 clip, can steal 40 bases, and plays one of if not the best defensive CF in the big leagues. And you want to give us two pitchers who at this point look like they couldn't even make the team out of spring training? You didn't really think about that one did ya?

People here seem to forget that just a couple years ago Willis was a 22 game winner. I know he won't get back to that, but if somebody in the Sox organization can get ahold of him and figure out his issues he can be a great pitcher again.

You're also forgeting that BEFORE Lugo got hurt he was an awful fielder. He would provide the Tigers with much needed speed, but not as an everyday starter.

This is a big salary for big salary deal which brings a lot of potential to either side. If they don't work, who cares? You dumped one bad player for another. If they do work out their issues, then that's a great deal for one or both teams.

You've got to remember that if the red sox have any ideas at all of rehabilitating Willis to use on the big club they'll probably need Jason Varitek to play doctor.

This would be a great deal for the red sox. they've had some success with reclamation projects before in wade miller and bartolo colon until both got injured and the latter turned out to be a little too self-centered to play for a club like the red sox. Julio Lugo will never have success in the majors again so if I were him I would be tucking every paycheck into my matress because his next contract is going to be a minor league deal with an invite to spring training at MOST. Willis on the other hand is still pretty young and he played with josh Beckett in florida, maybe beckett can take him under his wing and with Varitek ( if he signs ) and John Farrell all teaming up maybe he can return to form.

i'll still give you Donald, Happ and Julian Sampson for Magglio. That would solve shortstop for the next 10 years.

"In the same article, he mentions Lugo had the lowest average with runners in scoring position in the majors, .139, and wishes him a happy 33rd birthday."

b00m!!1 0wN3d!!!1 lol

Really Yankeegirl, when did JD Drew become self-centered? He was moved up and down the batting order, he only opted out of his contract because his agent Scott Boras told him it would be beneficial for optimal money for him in his career prime.

Stick with your self-centered A-Rod and be happy with your all to self-centered ownership and fan base.

Hey, sometimes these deals can workout for one of the teams. Hundley for Karros/Grudz comes to mind.

"Too self centered?
Are we talking about the same Red Sox that had Curt Schilling, Manny Ramirez and JD Drew?"

I don't know how JD Drew is self-centered, honestly I was never aware that was an issue with him.

Either way, Colon refused to pitch out of the bullpen in september because he didn't view himself as a reliever. I'd say that's somewhat self centered.

If the Red Sox could choose who they'd want in return for Julio Lugo, I'd go with Nate Robertson.

At least Nate could stay at the major league level while D-Train was being moved through all levels of the minor leagues.

But if D-Train is all they can get, I'd probably do the deal because I'm sure there would be a place in the bullpen for the Red Sox if all else fails.

"Willis has at least shown a glimpse of potential, though it really comes down to picking your poison."

exactly. with the guys they have up front they just need someone who could pitch decently. Willis' confidence is at an all time low. and his mechanics are in shambles. thats not a good combination for Fenway Park. i think Robertson may be less of a miracle to get him to work out.

ok, here's a crazy idea. instead of Lugo, trade Lowell for one of the two.... I prefer Robertson but then we would just be too white of a team for Mr. Rosenthal....anyways. Here's infield for Tigers:

C: inge
1b: cabrera
2B: Rayburn?????
3B: lowell
ss: guillen

Lugo gives a speedy bench runner and a guy who can play just about all the infield. He would be a super-sub. With Lowell gone, we have room for Tex on the Sox.....

I know I'm crazy.....But it could make sense.

"with the guys they have up front they just need someone who could pitch decently. Willis' confidence is at an all time low. and his mechanics are in shambles. thats not a good combination for Fenway Park. i think Robertson may be less of a miracle to get him to work out."

I think if you're trying to choose the guy that's more likely to get it back, that'd be Robertson. His stuff didn't seem to fall off nearly as much as Willis' did in Detroit, and Willis' confidence and mechanics are, as you said, simply in shambles.

I would say that Willis definitely as higher upside than Robertson, considering what we've seen Dontrelle do before. But really there is no good choice between the two, this is just about figuring out the best way to use Lugo and his contract.

Willis will be 27 to start the season. Robertson is and will be 31. should have looked at that before recommending Robertson.

Yankeegirl; Shilling and Manny are gone and won't be back. And I think you're confusing stoicism with self-centeredness when it comes to Drew.

Although being a Yankee fan I suspect that you're pretty much the resident expert on self-centered baseball players.

Uhh how about every team has egotistical jerks? We're talking about professional athletes..

Agreed that "self-centered" is too strong a label to throw around so casually. Manny Ramirez does indeed epitomize the self-centered baseball player, and he was accordingly shipped out of town, salary paid, for cents on the dollar when you consider that the Red Sox had to include players to make it happen.

As for J.D. Drew, until we see evidence that he refused to take the field while healthy, calling him self-centered is irresponsible. Don't confuse fragility with self-centeredness.

With regard to Schilling, we probably shouldn't confuse being overly candid and opinionated with being self-centered vis-a-vis the team either. It's hard to seriously entertain that argument when the target is a guy who pitched on a sutured ankle and pain meds. If you want to believe it was ketchup, so be it, but I've got a straightjacket and a padded room for you if that's the case. If Schilling did it purely for his own motivation, then it's remarkably convenient how his interests dovetailed so nicely with the team's.

If missing games due to injury is considered self-centered then yes, JD Drew and every player in the game is self-centered.

Hahaha

He's "self-centered" because he wanted money coming out of college.

So now every draftee who wants big bonus cash is self centered.

Hell, Aaron Crow must be the most selfish person on the planet.

Give me a break

You're citing an incident involving a kid fresh out of college and labeling him selfish because of it. Something that happened ten years ago makes JD Drew selfish?

Manny quit on his team, he was in line to earn 20 million dollars if he simply did what he was supposed to do. Because some option years were not picked up he took matters into his own hands and hurt his team, while thinking mostly of himself. That is the definition of selfish.

Listening to Scott Boras convince you you're worth 10 million coming out of the draft does not make you selfish ten years later. Sure, JD Drew could be the most self centered ahole in his personal life, but we'd never know. Trying to get paid by the team that drafted you, you still don't have any obligation to them, does not make you self-centered ten years later.

Only a handful of players did what Manny did, and no one deemed it acceptable.

Dozens, probably hundreds, have opined for more cash.

Just to note.

I'm not saying that a player shouldn't get the money that is deserved, however I believe that the handling, especially in the case of Drew, was idiotic. I'm not blaming him nor Boras, however, it probably could have been handled A LOT better.

Also, I'm not making trying to prove that Drew is a selfish guy, rather that an argument could made. And, as I said prior, the same argument could be made for a lot of players as well.

First, TLR has turned out to be overreacting to quite a few players. That should be taken with a grain of salt.

Drew ended up getting 7-9M from the Cardinals. The Phillies offered 2.75. I would say that it turned out well for him and it was far from idiotic to do so.

Tony LaRussa has come out against quite a few players and throws them under the bus routinely. Again, I would take anything he says with a grain of salt.

I am not aware that anyone in Atlanta, LA, or Boston has complained of him not giving it his all, just being injury prone.

Selfish are all those owners with that insane draft thing... so imagine your kid was a prep superstar that would get paid like 15 mill on the open market but he is going to get paid only 3 or so because for some absurd reason he can only sign for one team.

wouldnt you be pissed??? i dont understand why so many people turn on players b/c they want part of the money they produce. its totally absurd and against the values of capitalism.

as for the deal with lugo, if you pay close attention, robertsons peripherals werent that bad. his babip on the other hand was more that .340 and his fip was like a run and a half lower that his era. so i would take robertson, he would make a great spot starter for the sox.

i admit i have no idea how much a top prep player could get if he could sign with anyone but i bet you it would be over 10 mill.

Look, Pedro alvarez had 2 choices, sign for something with the pirates or wait a year to be in the same situation with another team and he still got 6 mill without any leverage whatsoever.

do you think doubling that salary would not have been possible with 30 teams competing for your services???