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SI.com's Jon Heyman reports from the GM meetings...
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wow I actually like the idea of Hudson in center but dies he have the arm?
Posted by: BaseballFanatic40 | November 04, 2008 at 03:19 PM
does
Posted by: BaseballFanatic40 | November 04, 2008 at 03:20 PM
How about moving Jeter to center where his bat is still fine and signing Furcal to play ss
Posted by: yankees2727 | November 04, 2008 at 03:27 PM
Paying a guy a ****load of money and moving him off position for someone far inferior with the glove. Hell if you can do it to A-rod, guess you can do it to Orlando Hudson.
Posted by: ArodSucksAtLife | November 04, 2008 at 03:30 PM
Don't know enough about Hudson ability to play CF, but I don't mind thinking outside the box.
I too am in favor of them resigning Abreu, but it seems like they have decided to move on. He may want a 3 year deal, but he puts up 300-20-100-20 with a high OBP, its hard to duplicate that.
Oh yeah and Heyman seems willing to write anything these days.
Posted by: Chris | November 04, 2008 at 03:32 PM
I seriously hope this rumor has no merit. Is Cashman's faith in Melky/Gardner that low that he would try and sign a player and play him out of position?
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | November 04, 2008 at 03:32 PM
Hudson as a CF? I don't see it, there are other teams that could use him as a 2nd baseman.
Posted by: Cardsfan387 | November 04, 2008 at 03:37 PM
YanksFanSince78, maybe Cashman is finally realizing that Melky and Gardner are just minor leaguers.
Posted by: AFROTC Cadet | November 04, 2008 at 03:39 PM
I'll say it again, Holliday makes NO sense for the Nationals. Would be an absolutely horrible trade. His away stats are comparable to Dunn, who wouldn't cost any prospects. Not to mention I don't think they can re-sign him. The rental idea is absurd.
The fact that they are even THINKING about Burnett and Tex makes me damn excited, though.
Posted by: Phishisgr8 | November 04, 2008 at 03:40 PM
Out of curiosity is it me or is Heyman's writing poor and is he suggesting moving Hudson to center or moving Cano to center? I thought the sentence was ambiguous and could have been meant to refer to Cano.
Posted by: Steve_S | November 04, 2008 at 03:40 PM
I dont mind either of the 3 for the nats, they need a huge bat of those caliber. If they do go for Holliday, they cannot rent him and have another Soriano here.. They need to be sure to lock him down long term.
But just the thought of the nats interested in them makes me happy to know they want them to get better lol, but they need to act on it.
Posted by: cmdterps44 | November 04, 2008 at 03:49 PM
Zrosey21 Stop playing PS3 man. Yanks are not signing Abreu, besides they have Nady, which you left out of your fantasy line-up.
Posted by: DominicanYanks | November 04, 2008 at 03:54 PM
I'm not really sure what the Nats would offer that the Rockies really want.
Posted by: mkorpal | November 04, 2008 at 03:56 PM
Yanks want to trade Cano to the Dodgers for Kemp and put O-Dog at 2B. Good plan, but it won't happen.
Posted by: surfacetear | November 04, 2008 at 04:06 PM
So they get a CF and Damon does what exactly? DH? 1B? He's not good enough offensively to be worth enough at either of those positions.
Posted by: www.homehalfway.net | November 04, 2008 at 04:10 PM
You're lineup is great Zrosey! There is one problem though: other teams want those players as well. This ain't a video game.
Let's leave Nady out of the lineup! YEA! We just traded Tabata so we could get a bench player! Good idea! And while were at it, why not sign the 34yr old Abreu to a 3 yr deal! Then let's get Tex, I'm sure no one else will want him - and then we'll change a good defensive 2B's position!
God damn, I am a die hard Yankee fan, but jeez - be realistic.
Posted by: B3NG4L | November 04, 2008 at 04:13 PM
Michael - Damon hit .303/.375/.461 in the leadoff spot - why is that not good enough? Whoever started assigning production to positions is a moron. If I got 30 HRs and a .330 AVG from my SS and only .270 with 5 HRs from my 1B, What would there to be complain about?
Posted by: B3NG4L | November 04, 2008 at 04:14 PM
B3NG4L,
How is his lineup not realistic. It's not like he's saying sign Manny and then trade for Matt Holliday and then still sign Mark and Hudson. I bet that his lineup is our 2009 lineup(dont know about center field). And then are rotation is going to include CC.
Posted by: yanks12025 | November 04, 2008 at 04:30 PM
Zrosey21,
Those guys were making completely logical arguments against what clearly were illogical plans for your Yankees. What's the payroll going to be? $275 million? These guys are just trying to explain to you that your ideas simply aren't realistic. You aren't thinking about the other 29 teams and the fact that they might be trying to win a World Series as well. And then there is the whole lets not use Nady after declining Marte's option, essentially meaning we threw away four young players thing. That simply would be a huge waste of assets, and realistically every front office knows better than to do that.
And also, that sick response you just made, which totally showed B3NG4L that you don't take shiit from nobody, made you sound like a douchee. Grow up.
Posted by: scribbletone | November 04, 2008 at 04:35 PM
"YanksFanSince78, maybe Cashman is finally realizing that Melky and Gardner are just minor leaguers."
no way man,
if theyre on the yankees they're worth their weight in gold... if he signs hudson for CF (dumbest thing ive every heard..)
cashman will want someone good for gardner and or melky and treat them like top level prospects, almost ready to play in an MLB lineup..
too bad they will only be high level prostpects ready to play in the mlb until their about 30-33 years old...
cashman is terribly senile
Posted by: GoSoX | November 04, 2008 at 04:39 PM
oh and btw, i guarantee you that Xavier nady will be in the yanks lineup at the end of spring training... guarantee you
Posted by: GoSoX | November 04, 2008 at 04:41 PM
Good response Zrosey21. Yanks, you are on the same page as him (except without the outbreaks, as far as I can tell), and you guys are the reasons people hate the Yankees. We can't sign every available free agent. Like I said, we are not about to offer 100 mil. to Orlando Hudson - some other team would give him 80 to play his original position and he would take that.
I'm not going to listen to people who say things like "CC will be in ARE rotation". It's our. The video games let you do that - real life doesn't. I can't believe I am agreeing with a Sox fan, but he is being the logical one here. Along with scribble and I.
If fans want to show some bias, that is fine. But to the extent you are showing it...there are other teams in the MLB...just sit back and think for a little bit...
Posted by: B3NG4L | November 04, 2008 at 04:45 PM
Zrosey21 - you need to chill out.
When you post a stupid lineup expect people to criticize it. This is a public forum. And some posters (including Scribbletone) are actually quite bright and know what they talking about. Just because they have a different opinion you shouldn't have to resort to name calling. Grow up already.
If you don't want your fanboy posts to get negatively commented on either don't post again or get your own blog. You can write all your Yankee fanboy crap all day long. You can also then moderate the comments so that only those that agree with you are represented.
That would be a win/win for everyone.
Posted by: bjsguess | November 04, 2008 at 04:50 PM
The yankees payroll would not even be close to 275 million if we signed Mark T.,Hudson and CC. We would also not even be over 200 million.
Posted by: yanks12025 | November 04, 2008 at 04:52 PM
Instead of signing/converting Hudson, the Yanks really do need to explore moving Jeter to CF. That would allow them to sign a superior offensive player to Hudson (Furcal) to man SS. The Yanks would be much better with Furcal in the lineup instead of Hudson IMO.
The Jeter move is inevitable. Why not fast track that for 09? I think it's totally silly to say things like, "Jeter is slated to move into CF for the '10 season". How about instead of using arbitrary deadlines you base decisions off actual performance. Jeter is an awful shortstop that gives away a huge amount of hits every year. Make the move today and the Yanks will be better in 09.
Posted by: bjsguess | November 04, 2008 at 04:55 PM
Much more mature right there.
Yanks -
Tim has the Yankees at around 150 mil in the offseason outlook - keep in mind, this involves the loss of free agents, arbitration and does not include potential free agent signings.
The "blow everyone out" amount of money given to CC would probably be 25+ mil. Let's go with 26 mil per yr, that is being reasonable. We are at 176 mil. Hudson will want around 8 mil, once again, being reasonable towards you, we are at 184 mil. Add in Tex, you really think someone like Burnett is going for 18 mil, while Tex will only go for 16? No. Tex is probably a little over 20, we are at 204. Add in others, probably in your outlook Burnett, and we are at over 220 mil.
Is there anything I'm missing?
Posted by: B3NG4L | November 04, 2008 at 04:57 PM
"THANK YOU!!! yanks12025!"
You do realize that this was said by someone who is clearly a Yankee fan. I'm not saying anything, I'm just saying, that could be why he doesn't think you're an idiot.
And honestly I just think are far different ways the Yankees can go to have an equally stacked lineup. How about signing Teixeira, Jim Edmonds to a one year deal, CC Sabathia, Lowe/Perez/Burnett, and call it a day.
You throw out a lineup of:
LF Damon
SS Jeter
1B Teixeira
3B Rodriguez
DH Matsui
C Posada
RF Nady
2B Cano
CF Edmonds/Gardner/Cabrera
And then have a rotation of Sabathia, Wang, Chamberlain, and Mussina/Pettitte and Hughes. That team would be very good
Let's say Edmonds costs 1/6 with incentives, Tex costs 7/148, and CC costs 7/150. That adds about $50M to the Yankees' payroll bringing them around the $190M-200M range, right where they should end up around. It just doesn't make sense to throw big money at Hudson to have him play center, and then keep Cano, a poor defensive player, at second. I know Hudson is declining at second, but he's better there than Cano, and that just isn't a good idea for the Yankees.
If they really want to get a second baseman and convert him into a centerfielder, how about Rickie Weeks???
Or move Jeter? I mean the defense sucks at short and can't last that much longer. He should be solid in center for a year or two, and then maybe the Yankees go out and land J.J. Hardy or a FA shortstop like Orlando Cabrera.
Posted by: scribbletone | November 04, 2008 at 04:58 PM
"How about signing Teixeira, Jim Edmonds to a one year deal, CC Sabathia, Lowe/Perez/Burnett, and call it a day."
I meant to say Mussina/Pettite
Posted by: scribbletone | November 04, 2008 at 05:01 PM
As for the Yankees salaries ...
According to Tim's off-season outlook the Yanks will stand close to $150m. Just looking at potential signings here are some rough figures:
Abreu - $13-15m
Pettitte - $12m
Mussina - $12m
Tex - $18-20m
Sabathia - $20-25m
Burnett - $15-17m
Lowe - $15-17m
Hudson - $10-12m
Furcal - $12-14m
To tack on to their existing payroll the Yanks will need at least 2 new FA starters, a 1B (or move folks around like Damon or Posada to play 1B) and could really use a catcher and 8th inning reliever.
That's a lot of holes to plug especially if you dedicated $45m just to Tex and CC.
Posted by: bjsguess | November 04, 2008 at 05:01 PM
Oops - I was missing something. Don't forget to tack on the 13 mil to the already 220 mil. payroll. We would be WAY over 200 mil, yanks.
Posted by: B3NG4L | November 04, 2008 at 05:03 PM
Looks like we all have similar thoughts on this ...
Posted by: bjsguess | November 04, 2008 at 05:03 PM
I really dont want Hudson. I think Cano will be better then any second baseball in the game. If they signed Mark, i think we could live with Gardner/Melky in CF. If Mussina retires we have to bring Andy back, but if mike plays acouple more years we sign him over Andy. I think we also dont need Burnett that much. So i see our rotation as
1.CC
2.Wang
3.Mussina
4.Joba(or if we pick up another pitcher).
5.Hughes
Posted by: yanks12025 | November 04, 2008 at 05:11 PM
lol...Alright, I think I am done posting in this little section...
Posted by: B3NG4L | November 04, 2008 at 05:11 PM
2009 Salary
A-rod-28,000,000
Jeter-21,600,000
Rivera-15,000,000
Damon-13,000,000
Mussina-11,000,000
Nady-3,500,000
Cano-3,000,000
Others(Joba,Hughes,etc)-10,000,000
Mark T.-21,000,000
CC-26,000,000
Burnett-18,000,000
Thats around $183,000,000, without Abreu and marte.
Posted by: yanks12025 | November 04, 2008 at 05:18 PM
Alright Yanks...you got 11 players there. You need 25. The other 14 players will not add up to "only" 10 mil.
Posted by: B3NG4L | November 04, 2008 at 05:32 PM
B3NG4L,
Your right. I forgot Matsui on the list but his 13 million is included in the total. Heres the break down of the 10 million for you.
Jose Molina-2million
Wilson Betemit-1.5
Brian Bruney-500,000
Melky Cabrera-under 500,000
Joba Chamberlain-under 500,000
Jose Veras-under-500,000
Edwar Ramirez-under 500,000
Is that better for you. I'm going off the ESPN salaries and they dont show all the players. Chamberlain will also go up more but only around 2 million.
Posted by: yanks12025 | November 04, 2008 at 05:43 PM
Use Cot's Baseball Contracts..
Posted by: scribbletone | November 04, 2008 at 06:23 PM
Yanks12025 - you should check out Cots baseball contracts site (you can just google it). Much better resource for understanding salary situations for any given team. The site also includes contract details (options, future years, etc).
Tim has already performed a great piece of analysis. Without signing anyone the Yanks will start the off-season between $145-150m. From that number you can start to see how adding various FA's impact the overall budget.
Posted by: bjsguess | November 04, 2008 at 06:26 PM
Why dont the Yankees sign Kotsay to play first? It seems they dont want to go long term on a first basemen so Kotsay for two year wont be bad. you can put him in center sometimes and have that Spanish guy "forgot his name" play first.
Posted by: yankfan1 | November 04, 2008 at 06:32 PM
As a Reds Fan, I would give 3/36 for Milton Bradley.
Seriously, a switch hitter, which the Reds almost NEVER have. We could have a 4 hitter who CAN put up real good numbers, and play CF, and then Dickerson can play Left. OR vice versa i really dont care. Also, then if Dickerson fails the Reds have pleanty of options to plud into Left...and not in Dickerson is our only CFer
Posted by: GmblngPtchr20 | November 04, 2008 at 08:02 PM
The reason why the yanks are looking at hudson is because cano is history the centerfield gig is to throw everyone off.I said it from day 1 cano will not be a yankee in 2009 quite frankly im glad
Posted by: Turnkey | November 04, 2008 at 09:03 PM
Excuse me, Tunkey, has Hudson signed yet? This is the problem with so many Yankee fans, giving up on a 24yr old 2B who has had 1 bad season. Why should we sign a 30 yr old who has broken down the past two seasons?
Hudson won't be a Yankee, I would bet good money on that. This is a rumor to the equivalent of Mike Lowell to play 1B last season.
Posted by: B3NG4L | November 04, 2008 at 09:16 PM
gmblingptcher20,
bradley is great, i enjoyed having him in texas this year... but 12 per is simply too much for a guy who isn't durable and careered it last year. i think he should look for 7.5/8 per for 2 years and be satisfied.
personally i think he fits in the al where he can dh and play lf when necessary, but his body i don't think can handle the grind of being an everyday outfielder.
Posted by: tmoney352 | November 04, 2008 at 09:17 PM
question- Is nadys defense good enough for center..? dont know what hes like defensively.. im sure if this was a possiblity someone else would have thought about it already but if it would work
LF-
RF-Abreu
CF-Nady
Posted by: GoSoX | November 04, 2008 at 10:16 PM
It hasn't been tested yet, Sox, but from the YES Announcers and eveyrone I've heard, he could play CF, but would probably be as bad as Matt Kemp in terms of Range Factor. I would think the Yankees want defense in center - otherwise they would just put Damon out there.
Posted by: B3NG4L | November 04, 2008 at 10:47 PM
what about the denverposts' story of matsui going to seattle in some package that lands holliday in ny and hughes elsewhere?
i totally botched this up.
Posted by: elbrav0 | November 04, 2008 at 11:55 PM