Yankees Rumors: Teixeira, Manny, Mussina

I say sign C.C and Mark. And then trade for Matt Holliday. we could trade Damon or Matsui plus acouple other players to get him. If we need to trade Cano, then sign Hudson or trade for another second basemen.

Im Sure hank and cash are gonna make it rain this winter lol. sign Them all!!!. yanks12025 Dude are YOu talking bout signing tim hudson? what are we the nationals?

Orlando Hudson

It's funny how New York teams spent almost $400 million on payroll, yet neither of them made it to the playoffs. Yet, a team with a $43.5 million payroll made it to the World Series.

why do You all talk so much crap bout payrolls? like the Yanks are using YOur money To pay arod and everybody else. what do You care what they spend,throw away or give away

Don't be mad, because Yankees spend money on losers like Matsui and Damon.

I don't even need to fire back. You just make yourself look more foolish by the post!

Anyone who thinks that payroll isn't a top 2 factor for success clearly doesn't know anything about the Yankees or baseball business in general ... so don't waste your time explaining.

"Jeter and Cano are the only descent players on the Yankees."
Liar

BTW - this is why there are Yankee haters. This post contains suggestions for:

The Yankees signing Manny Ramirez, Mark Teixiera, and CC Sabathia (potentially $80m in new salaries for THREE players). It also contains the brilliant trade proposal of Damon/Matsui and a couple other pieces of crap for Matt Holliday. Please get real.

Damon and Matsui are not the type of players Colorado will ever be interested in. Overpaid, older, broken down (at least Matsui), with weak defense players are not on Colorado's wish list. You want Holliday the conversation starts with Hughes/Chamberlain and moves on to other young talent beyond that.

bjsguess

When i said the trade for Matt Holliday, i was trying to say Damon or Matsui plus philip hughes and then acouple of other prosects or Robinson Cano. I would bet the rockies would do that trade.

anybody whos pissed at the Yankees spending money, doesnt have any.

"why do You all talk so much crap bout payrolls? like the Yanks are using YOur money To pay arod and everybody else. what do You care what they spend,throw away or give away"

actually, NY is getting federal funding for the new stadium, so your tax money will help us put talent on teh field.

and bj, even though he didn't mean this, but matsui and damon can go for prospects to help a holliday come to ny. stop trying to put everyone down like you are god's/God's gift to internet chat.

regarding payroll; poster said that both ny teams spent 400mil when a team with a 40mil payroll got to the ship... shouldn't that signify that payroll is not a major factor to competitiveness?

yanks 12025

I totally agree with you. I wanted to say that but you beat me.

"They pay way to much for the old yankees like Jeter (20 mil), Posada (15 mil), Rivera (15 mil). Thats 50 mil of their 200 mill payroll that should have been 25-30 mil. Than long ass retarted contracts like 27mil to Arod and 20 mil to Giambi. so the Yankees waste about 100 mil on 5 guys. Thts how they're pay roll is huge."

Just to add a little bit to it. 1 Player from that list is a Pitcher. a Closer to boot. the starting pitching investments that have been are old andy Pettitte old mike mussina, and the unfortunate Pavano.

"shouldn't that signify that payroll is not a major factor to competitiveness?"

Yesterday it rained where I live for 10 minutes, did it rain all day? Especially when it didn't for the other 23 hours and 50 minutes? Or to apply back to your argument, Red Sox, White Sox, Angels, Phillies, Cubs, Dodgers, Brewers. Only Milwaukee is out of the top 15 payrolls, Philly is out of the top 10, Cubs are the next lowest at 117M. Statistically, pay roll matters. What matters more is running the team smart. The Tigers tried to run a team without a decent bullpen. Mets bullpen fell apart after the first injury. Yankees were certain Hughes and Kennedy would be the key pieces of the rotation.

Unless teams like Tampa Bay can increase their payroll, this is only a window of opportunity. In 4 years salaries for Shields, Longoria, Garza, etc will begin to go up to a point where they'll start being more than half the payroll, choices will have to be made, will Tampa Bay stay a small payroll team or start to increase payroll to keep the team. For the next few years, Tampa Bay won't be getting the top picks like Upton, Price, Longoria, etc and we'll have to see the real genius of Friedman's drafting abilities.

Point being, teams with high payrolls will always be able to scab over their real problems by spending more money. The Yanks have been doing that for the last couple of years. And in the end, we're more likely to see teams in the top 10 payroll than outside of the top 10. Payroll matters.

Just want to say, that one of the reason tha Yanks are behind teams like Boston and the Rays in the farm system is not because they signed top free agents and lost their top picks, it is becaiuse they did a poor job drafting overall. They just didn't draft well at all.

Another thing for those who cry all the time about the payroll, the reality is, you wish your team did the same. Don't get mad with the Yanks because your team doesn't spend on the team, get my with your own team mgmt.

Its a lose lose with these Yankees haters. If they don't improve and don't make the playoff, they make fun of the Yanks, if they try to improve they cry the Yanks are trying to buy a WS.

I'd love to see Manny go to the Yanks. Just what they need; another aging over-priced player who I can laugh at when he's playing golf in September.

Get all three of 'em. Just keep throwing money at the problem. A sure strategy for endless success!

So, since we can establish that high payroll alone does not equal championships, there should be no complaining that the Yankees FO decides to put a more expensive product on the field, no?

Yanksfansince78
You made some good points. I dont really want to trade Cano but if the rockies want him for Holliday i would do it, maybe get Jeff baker from them also.

bjsguess:

Usually if we don't agree on most issues I at least respect what you have to say but you obviously have a bias against the Yanks. I will be the first to admit that the Yanks have done a piss poor job of drafting from the late 90's up until a few years ago when Cash stepped in. However, when you're the Yanks and you're finishing in first place every year most of your pics in the 1st round are not going to be in the top 25 players available. We have definetly missed out on finding some gems that could have been found in the 30-50 overall player chosen slots but those were never "obvious" picks that the Rays and Brewers have chosen due to always having a top 5 choice. That has nothing to do with signing type A free agents at all.

In fact it's quite easy to see that a team like the Brewers or the Rays were in a much better position to rebuild their temas because they always finished among the 5 worst teams in baseball and would always be able to choose one of the top 5 players in the draft. Also, they were able, if they choose to, sign a top type A free agent w/o the worry of losing their own #1 pick because they would be among the 15 worst teams in baseball and the pic would be protected (correct me if I'm wrong).

So for teams like the Yanks and others committed to winning year in and year out the only way to stay competitive is to be active in the free agent market because you'll never be in a position to draft one of the "OBVIUOS" top 10 players in the draft. Now, again, a superior team w/ superior talent evaluators can find the guys that may slip down to the bottom part of the draft or they might throw some ridiculous amount of money at a high school player who many may have thought was going to college but that's about it. And even then you might fail to sign that player (Garet Cole). They will never have an opportunity to draft a player like David Price, BJ Upton, Prince Fielder, Ryan Braun, Josh Hamilton or Delmon Young unless they finish among the worst teams in baseball in terms of their record..

bjsguess writes:

BTW - this is why there are Yankee haters. This post contains suggestions for:

The Yankees signing Manny Ramirez, Mark Teixiera, and CC Sabathia (potentially $80m in new salaries for THREE players). It also contains the brilliant trade proposal of Damon/Matsui and a couple other pieces of crap for Matt Holliday. Please get real.

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Why would someone hate the Yanks because they're willing to invest in their team? Hate the game not the player. The Yanks are playing within the rules.

I really take exception to people who think like this. These teams are owned by people worth hundreds of millions if not billions of dollars. I live in Cleveland, OH now (for the past 10 years) and there's no greater joke than the Cleveland Indians. Cleveland fans are among the loyalist I've ever seen. No team other than the NY/LA/CHI teams could ever think of spending upwards of $150 mil dollars but a team like Cleveland can spend $100-$125 easy and put a super competitive team on the field that could compete/win a weak central division year in and year out. Attendance swells when the team is competitive and falls when they put a weak product on the field. You can't buy a team and try to compete on the cheap. I almost wish they would have a salary cap around $125 million to see which smaller market teams would step up and come close to spending even a $100 million.

bjsguess wrote:

I'll make it real simple for you JJ and everyone else who thinks payroll is irrelevent. Every year we have 4 playoff teams for each league. Next to the league/year I will include how many playoff teams were in the top 4 in payroll (according to baseball almanac).

2008 - AL (2/4) - NL (2/4)
2007 - AL (3/4) - NL (1/4)
2006 - AL (1/4) - NL (2/4)
2005 - AL (3/4) - NL (1/4)
2004 - AL (3/4) - NL (1/4)
2003 - AL (2/4) - NL (2/4)

Basically, for the past 6 years if your team has a top 4 salary in your league the probability of making the playoffs is 50%. For everyone else your probability is below 20%.

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I won't make an arguement that salary doesn't matter but your stats are sort of misleading considering that in the AL 2 of those teams were the Yanks and Boston just about every year. You can make an arguement that it costs money to sustain that success. As opposed to an inference that the more money you spend the more competitive you become.

YanksFanSince78, you can't blame the Yankee's poor scouting on the fact that the never have a high first round pick. Many of the best players in the game have come after the first round of the draft anyways, you just have to do your research to find them. Also, a big reason why they miss out on first-round picks is because of the fact that they lose them with free agent signings. Now don't think that I'm saying this because you think I hate the Yankees. I very much respect the Yankees and think that they are a great franchise. It also doesn't bother me that they spend a lot of money, I just don't think they've spent it wisely. I do, however, think that they are seeing what happens when you sign aging stars and don't invest more in your scouting.

"I'm out. Better things to do today than argue with trolls. My advice is that you proceed to the Harry Potter chat board. You may have more success. "

How come people always tell other people to go to a Harry Potter forum when they disagree with what somebody says? I have had multiple people say that to me too. Why not Star Wars? Or Lord of the Rings? Why the Harry Potter hating?

I think people should realize by now that BJ isn't some troll who just hates the Yankees, he is one of the informative posters here, so while telling a guy like RSD to shutup because nobody cares is all well and good, when some of the more credible posters here bring up a point is it usually valid. I don't blame the Yankees for spending their money at all, it is up to them and good for them to put their cash back into the team. That said, payroll plays a huge roll in the success of a team, and I also agree that Yankee fans in general take a lot of crap because there are some clowns who propose signing every big free agent and trading scraps for other big stars. There is some middle ground in the argument.

Baseballasagame:

That isn’t quite the truth. The Yanks have only had one year where they did not have a draft pick at all (2002).

Let me be the first to admit that the Yanks have done a piss poor job in their draft choices overall in the last 10 years, however when it pertains to their draft position the Yanks are victims of their own success. When you finish among the top 5 teams in baseball every year since 1995 you will never have a pick ranked inside the top 10 and that is where the obvious studs are. That’s where players like Ryan Braun, Prince Fielder, Ben Sheets, Evan Langoria, Scott Kazmir, David Price, Josh Hamiltons and Delmon Youngs are picked. So the Yanks either have to do a superior job at finding the “diamonds in the rough” like a Carlos Beltran @ #49 overall or take a chance and draft players who are obvious “high celing” high schoolers who drop down the chart because it looks like they’re going to college and throw huge, absurd amounts of money at them with the hopes that they can be signed. Problem with that is some of them don’t sign and a pick is wasted (Gerrit Cole in ’08 and Mark Prior in ’98). Many great players are found in the later rounds but for the most part the stud play makers go in the first 10-15 picks. So while I’ll give teams like the Rays credit for their scouting success and picking players like Josh Hamilton @ #1 overall vs Eric Munson who was #3 it’s less brain surgery and more opportunity to draft from a more talented pool. If you’re drafting among the top 5 there’s a basic consensus on who the best players are in the draft.

The Yanks havee done a good job though at finding guys like Andy Pettitte (22nd round, 577th overall), Austin Jackson (8th round, 259th overall) and Jorge Posada (43rd round, 1,114th overall) late in the draft. Also, with the exception of Igawa they’ve found some good international signees like Cano, Bernie Williams, Melky Cabrera, Mariano Rivera, Orlando Hernandez, Alfonso Soriano, Jesus Montero and Chein-Ming Wang.

Cashman took over the drafting duties and revamped the entire minor league system in 2004-2005. Let’s hope he can do a much better job and turn the system into a more productive one than whoever was running it from Tampa in the late 90’s and early 2000’s.

Yanks First Round Draft History
1991 ( #1 overall, Brien Taylor)

1992 (#6 overall Derek Jeter)

1993 (#13 overall Matt Drews)

Passed on Derek Lee @ #14, Chris Carpenter @ 15, Tori Hunter @ #20 and Jason Varitek @ #21 (did not sign w/ Minnesota)

1994 (#24 overall Brian Buchanon)

Passed on Troy Glaus @ #37 overall (did not sign) and Kevin Brown @ #56 overall

1995 (#27 overall Shea Morenz)

Passed on Carlos Beltran @ #49

1996 (#20 overall Eric Milton)

Passed on Jake Westbrook @ #21, Gil Meche @ #22 and Jason Marquis @ #35

1997 (#24 overall Tyrell Godwin and #40 Ryan Bradley)

Passed on Chase Utley @ #76 (did not sign)

1998 (#24 Andy Brown and #43 Mark Prior (did not sign)

Passed on Aaron Rowand @ #35

1999 (#27 overall David Walling)

Passed on Brian Roberts @ #50

2000 (#28 overall David Parrish)

Passed on Dustin McGowan @ #33 and Kelly Johnson @ #38

2001 (#23 overall John-Ford Griffin and Bronson Sardinah @ #34)

Passed on David Wright @ #38

2002 (No #1 pick)
Taken late in draft #23 Jeff Francoeur, #24 Joe Blanton, #25 Mattt Cain)

2003 (#27 overall Eric Duncan)

Passed on Carlos Quentin @ #29 and Jarrod Saltalamacchia @ #36

2004 (#23 overall Phillip Hughes)

2005 (#17 overall CJ Henry) * compensation pick, lost own #1 pick

Passed on Jacoby Ellsbury @ #25, Matt Garza @ #25, Colby Rasmus @ #28, Clay Bucholz @ #42, Jed Lowrie @ #45 and Mike Bowden @ #47

2006 (#24 overall Ian Kennedy and #41 overall Joba Chamberlain)

2007 (#30 overall Andrew Brachman)

2008 (#28 overall Gerrit Cole)

The Redsucks did an exceptional job. I'm hoping the Yanks will have a a draft like that if they offer arb to Irod, Abreu, Mussina, Pettite, Giambi and Marte and then they decline. We could have 4 or 5 1st rnd picks.