Angels Made Eight Year Offer To Teixeira

thank god the angels finally made a move. keep tex out of fenway!

Guess who's jumping in the fray: The Yankees. You just watch.

Although it would be nice if the O's sign him, being a Maryland boy and all.

If the Angels fail in keeping Teix, I think they will then go for Dunn or Burrell as their 1B, either bring up Kendry Morales to be their everyday DH, or sign Milton Bradley to play that part.

not so fast bseballcrzy17...Tex could say no

larsen101 -

i know, but as long as it's above $160MM, we just became the clear front runners.

Yes, but is Tex at 8/160 even something that you want on your team? I just shook my little crystal ball and it said, "No, indeed". Seriously. I did that. Seriously.

I take that as a compliment metzfan. Your just scared that if tex comes to the nationals, they could be pretty solid. You may not know but our young talent is going to be pretty nice now-couple years. Tex accepting our deal could very well help us out.

He can either win Now or win in a few years AND be the face of the franchise/always go to all star games.

Up to him, but literally, dont count em out.

Maybe Tex is just an AL player, I mean, I know he raked after the trade this year.

Honestly, he didn't seem like a player worthy of this type of contract when he was with the Braves. He never really came through when the Braves needed him and didn't make a large enough impact you'd like in an 8-year contract type of guy. Sure, he's really good, but I think a 6/115-120mil suits him better.

He mashed in the second half for the Braves when they acquired him (just like he did for the Angels), but really wasn't anything amazing afterwards.

But hey, he puts up numbers in the end, and numbers don't lie.

Thank god, the last thing I want to see as an Angel fan is Teixeira in those new Red Sox uni's they just got.

Unless, the Angels got Manny instead.

I'd say there's about a two percent chance Tex winds up with the Nationals. Just don't see it -

Josh I know, thats why a long term deal will help us out in the long run. I just know that if he signs here, itll give the mets a run for there money.

John Lannan as an ace is pretty nice. Hes stuff is nasty, sure his w/l looks bad, but the bullpen isnt behind him.

"$20M a year for Tex isn't that crazy. Career over 900 OPS, annual hits over 30 hrs, over 100 rbis, close to a 400 OBP, gold glove defense, add to it he'll be 29 on opening day and his numbers over been ascending for the last couple of years...

Yeah, 8yrs/160M isn't really crazy"

It's not even the 20 million so much. It's the 8 years at 20 million. He is a first baseman. A great one, but still a first baseman. A-Rod plays a more premium position then Tex, and he is a better baserunner. I know Tex plays great defense, but lets be real, it is first base defense. I just can't wrap my head around spending that much cash at 1B. I will take Adam Dunn for the 2/30 he will get (if he is lucky) and save 130 mil over Tex any time, anywhere. If I have that much cash to spend, I would rather sign Raffy Furcal and Adam Dunn for a little over 20 million and a much, much shorter commitment, then commit 8/160 to Teixeira. Just seems like a better way to allocate your resources.

"Josh I know, thats why a long term deal will help us out in the long run. I just know that if he signs here, itll give the mets a run for there money."

You do realize that no team has ever won it all with 25% or more of their budget allocated to a single player. Add to it... well you ace is, as stated before, John Lannan.

The Nats would be MUCH better off if they took the long run approach of building a team from the bottom up. That includes actually drafting talent despite the measly 500k difference in cost. The Nats even if they landed Tex at 20M a year will quickly find out he'll be like Arod was to the Rangers, a weight hanging around their neck and they'll only have to trade him off in 2 years.

Angels fan here who is also hoping that we strike out with Tex and land Dunn + Burrell/Bradley.

Todd Helton was significantly better than Tex when he signed his monster contract. How's that deal been looking for Colorado since? Tex will be a solid player for another 3-5 years. Beyond that it's a total crap shoot. Personally, I'm not a big fan of taking that type of a risk. Too many years and too much salary. Let the Nats/O's hamstring themselves for another decade.

Yea i know that stat about money being paid to a guy, but money doesnt play, players do. The talent we have can be come ridiculous, in a good way. But thats why we need a guy like Tex. Our lineup is weak at the 4th spot and we need a lefty power hitter badly, thats why Tex is our guy.

Still if we dont land him, we have back up options, with Dunn and Orland Hudson in our view.

This is the best way, having the young talent progress through the minor leagues while these guys help out the young guys on the roster.

Im not immediately saying that, if Tex comes here, they'll be amazing, win every game, im just saying its a stepping stone towards getting better/winning record.

Thats why im going back to the long term thing again, John Lanna can be our ace, but are you instantly saying he wont be even better in 2 or 3 years?

The Red Sox are going to give the last and probably best offer, thats what you should do, let everyone fight against themselves and then be the last one to throw your hat in the ring, the sox will easily go 8/180 or 200 to get him since they want him so bad

An infield that includes Zimmerman, Guzman, and Teixeira is pretty good, defensively. They all play great defense.

Although I do agree that $20mil for a 1B not named Pujols when you could go cheaper and get good production is a bad idea, Teixeira is still only going to be 29 when the season starts. He's still pretty young, is a switch hitter, a gold glover, perrenial 30HR hitter, and therefore it justifies him earning $20mil a year.

"He mashed in the second half for the Braves when they acquired him (just like he did for the Angels), but really wasn't anything amazing afterwards."

Teixeira is a slow starter. Pre-All Star break, he's a career .277/.366/.511/.877 hitter. Post-All Star break, he's a career .303/.390/.574/.964 hitter.
So those splits are nothing new. Besides, one can say that great players come through when it means the most, and well, the second half of the season is very important when looking at the playoff picture.

"The Nats even if they landed Tex at 20M a year will quickly find out he'll be like Arod was to the Rangers, a weight hanging around their neck and they'll only have to trade him off in 2 years."

Although that could happen, if management was smart, that wouldn't happen. If you continue to develop young talent to play with him, you wouldn't need to go out and sign good players to surround him with. You could just grow them. Look at where San Diego was. They've been successful because they surround their best player(s) with cheap gems. They get expensive? Trade them for younger players. Look at the Marlins. Teixeira is the type of player you can build your team around. Adding him to the Nats, who already have players like Zimmerman, Milledge, Dukes, Flores to surround him with, as well as prospects in Marrero and Burgess, and they can build perrenial contenders. Just trade them when they get expensive to keep restocking the system.

this is going to be like what happened with Matsuzaka i think, it will go to the last second, the sox will look like they will lose out, but they will end up with him in the end. i remember when they posted 20 million more then any other team for him, when the want someone, they get him, and this organization has a hard one for tex big time, theo will be p*ssed if he cant get him

"Although that could happen, if management was smart, that wouldn't happen."

Management is Jim Bowden... I rest my case.

the yankees are totally out for him now huh? all because of burnett

Unbelievable, you are complaining with the highest payroll in your own division.

Try being the Blue Jays, Orioles, or Rays when you have both the Red Sox and Yankees IN YOUR OWN DIVISION. Then you can whine about the Yankees.

I wonder what it would cost me to have him come mow my yard and rake some leaves?

Yes but to be able to win with a payroll like the Rays it comes with the territory that you have to stink for at least six years and be able to pick early in the draft clearly not the way to go.

"And they still had an inferior run differential to the Blue Jays."

Yeah true but you should of just said you had really really good pitching, cause thats why.

Come on Tony sign Tex, they need him like the dodgers need Manny..

I think the Sox will have to go 10 years ( 20 million )or 8 years at 22-25 millions to land Texeira. They him badly...

The sox will make an offer this weekend .I have a good feeling about it .The sox will get him.

You Ray doubters are complete idiots. The Rays will finish third,,,we're not the yankees. Kazmir-Shields-Garza-Price-Sonnanstine then (Niemann,Hellickson,Davis can all be called up to pitch soon if not right away). That's how the Red Sox and the douches from the dump in NYC are going to fail to win the division again. Hinske and Floyd played far below their 'ceiling' and Navarro was only good for one half of baseball just like '07 (not to take away from his defense, but he sucked the 2nd half). The Rays are going to add a Dunn/Burrell/Bradley/Abreu and have already upgraded in RF, to go with one more year of seasoning on Longoria, and two healthy LF and CF'ers (Crawford,Upton), that itself should improve the team dramatically. The Rays will will win 95 games for at least the foreseeable future.

Meanwhile the Dodgers continue to work on deals for Omar Vizquel and Trevor Hoffman...

The Yankees need to pay for the cost over runs of the new stadium instead of trying to push them off on the taxpayer, all the while offering "monopoly money" contracts to every player in sight. Unbelievable!

While it would be nice to see Teixeira sign with the Red Sox; I think the amount of years is to committ is now moves him into a higher risk then the reward might be worth.

Also, if Teixeira does sign with the Angels, then I still have a great amount of faith this might work out better for the Red Sox as it will force Theo to get very creative in an effort to fill the offensive void and might lead to them adding another arm.

Sabathia/Burnett are nice signings but I still like the Rays/Sox rotations better at this point, so best case scenerio for the Sox is Teixeira does end up back in LA and out of the division; then Theo refocuses on getting a quality offensive catcher and maybe even goes after a top offensive SS too.

With Lowell/Youk its not like the Sox "need" Teixeira but it would be nice.

best yankee fan argument yet nc-ntyankee, great facts and details

"And they still had an inferior run differential to the Blue Jays."

Yeah true but I will put it in a different context. They essentially had the same run differential, one run does make difference in one game but is nothing over the course of an entire season. Even so they had a predicted win total in the 91-93 range depending on your prefered calculation. So the rays overacheived a little less than the blue jays underacheived. I do not think it is a stretch to say the rays could at least match those numbers this year which would hardly make them lucky to be in the mix for 3rd.

all you Angels Fans out there are stupid Crazy thinking that Texieria is staying with the Angels the Red Sox are gonna offer him 10 years

The Sox are "Ready to make the biggest contract offer in franchise history". Manny made 8/160. So their cap is obviously considerably higher than 8/160 for Teix.

So therefore of course the Sox have a higher cap than the angels as they have said they will move on if teix does not accept 8/160.

Teix is going to Boston, Theo knows it, John Henry knows it, Teixiera knows it.

I think the Angels and the Yanks have the advantage. The Yanks have the money and 1b base open. The Red Sox are trying to dump Lowell and can't find a suitor.

Tex has stated he prefers the East Coast for family reasons. I still believe he'll go where the money is, but simply matching the offers of WAS/Balt/Bos doesn't guarantee anything.

And frankly the Angels could not continue to say they were serious about Tex without bumping their offer to at least 8 years.

"The Red Sox are trying to dump Lowell and can't find a suitor."

What? Can I get a link please?

The Angels are playing it very smartly. Wait to make or match a big offer, let the sox/yanks beat the offer, then make your final best offer at the very end. If you get outbid after that then you've been outbid... Reagins isn't Stoneman, he has a plan and isn't afraid to pull the trigger!

"If the Angels fail in keeping Teix, I think they will then go for Dunn or Burrell as their 1B"

Dunn and Burrell just don't strike me as Scioscia's kind of guys. Do you really think that's the direction the Angels would go?

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"have the red sox not made an offer yet or has it not been reported because theo has less leaks than the FBI?"

How does Theo keep Boras from leaking? And the FBI leaks like an old garden hose.

i dont care who offered a contract to tex because I gaurabtee he'll end up with the redsox. If hes looking for a team to win it all his best bet would be the sox after the angels loose krod and there about to lose tex. And boston is only like 8 hours away from maryland where he grew up. So I see tex with the sox.

Tex doesn't want to say in California for 8 years. I think that he would take less money to stay in the East. He will sign with the Red Sox.

He wants to play on a winning team.

The Angels..? They wont have nearly as good of a team as they did last year. Without K-Rod, no real good Shortstop.

"He wants to play on a winning team."

I'd suggest going back and reading his comments concerning the players union and taking contracts for a lesser value before you make an difinitive statement.

I really want to sign Tex but realistically 60% chance its not going to happen. Plan B should be trading and picking up
2008 Stats
Jake Peavy SP
Adam Dunn 1st base 40hr 100rbi
M. Ramirez LF 37hr 121rbi

This would be a serious looking Plan B If not better than Plan A. For our Closer problem Jose Arredondo is a great option. Remember Escobar,Kelvim should be back in the mix in 2009 which I'm excited to see he also said he is willing to come out of the bull-pen if he can not start and the man can close.

Well let me know what you guys think.

"How does Theo keep Boras from leaking?"

Probably because he wouldn't want to piss of the only suitor for Jason Varitek.

All in all, if people don't realize the Sox are just sitting back and waiting for all the also-rans to fight amongst themselves and get their guy, then you're just fooling yourself. Teixeira will be hitting against a TB pitcher on 4/6/09.

as for being old and washed up average age for a member of baltimores (36) 40 man roster? 26

Watch out for Oakland Danny...

"In all fairness the angels will be nowhere close to the caliber of team they were in '08. Vlads Health is quickly declining due to all those years with Montreal on the turf. He struggles to slow him self from a full sprint. (usually the first sign of bum knees) and Santana and Saunders arent going to be the miracle duo they were last season. Im from orange county and im sorry to say but the only reason the angels will win the division this next season is because there is absolutely no competition in the AL West."

Yes, Vladdy is on the decline, but even his down year is better than an average players breakout year. (BTW, Vlad did have arthroscopic surgery on his poor knee, not saying it is a permanent solution, but it should significantly help). Santana and Saunders may not be as dominant as they were last year, going a combined 33-14 with a 3.45 ERA is very hard to repeat, but they will still be good. Santana is not a fluke, throwing 95+ consistently with a lot of confidence and Saunders career record is 32-15 so he is well aware how to win. As for Tex, he may not resign, but the Angels offseason will not be over! We are a big market club so expect a run at Peavy (and possibly A. Gonzalez), Fuentes and either Dunn or Burrell along with another reliever such as Chad Cordero. The Angels can indeed afford all of this, and this could possibly be better than Tex+. The Angels, if they consistently stay healthy just as any other team would hope, can and will be in contention and have a good chance at the WS!

"He wants to play on a winning team.

The Angels..? They wont have nearly as good of a team as they did last year. Without K-Rod, no real good Shortstop."

I love the bashing from a Red Sox fan, as if beating us in the playoffs wasn't enough. Understand this, the Angels are a winning team, no doubt about it. K-Rod was great for us, we made a similar offer to him as the Mets did, but his heart obviously wasn't in Anaheim. Arredondo reminds me of the dominance that Franky had when he first came up in '02 and we have Shields who is very reliable and durable. Plus we could go and possibly sign a guy like Fuentes, like I previously stated, or Hoffman and still have a reliable closer at the end of the game. And I love how you talk as if Boston's SS duo of Lowrie/Lugo is so much better than Aybar/Izturis, as if Lowrie and Lugo have actually proven something in Boston. In 2008, in a combined 521 ABs Lowrie/Lugo hit .263 with 3 HRs 68 RBIs and in a combined 636 ABs Aybar/Izturis hit .273 with 6 HRs 76 RBIs. The Angels duo was actually better than Boston's so maybe you should be bashing on your own team's SS. I even excluded Wood's numbers because he didn't play consistently until the end of the year and he had 150 ABs with 5 HRs 13 RBIs.

Sox fan here I really dont think he is going to sign in Boston.
It is a contract that contradicts Theo's thinking. Too much money, too many years, losing draft picks, have kid in farm if things work out right will be here at end of next season. Lowell hard to trade, contract for next 2 years, at 12 million a year I believe, plus injured at this point.
This is just me thinking, but if a quality starter like Peavy is available, for a fair deal to both clubs, that is the direction I would like us to move.

"They lose K-Rod but he sucks anyway right? That's what everyone said."

Don't you understand? When you had him he sucked, but now that you've lost him he's irreplaceable. If you do manage to keep Teixeira, it will be because you're ridiculously overpaying him and the contract will be an albatross in three years. But if he goes east, you are doomed, and should have been smart enough to give him an A-Rod type contract because he's Lou Gehrig and Jimmy Foxx rolled into one, only with better defense.

As a Yankee fan, I have decades of experience with this sort of thing. My advice is to take it as a compliment to the quality of your team. And then sit back and enjoy the winning.

Why isn't anyone talking about the Angels reported offer of 8/$180-$185MM? I don't see anyone matching this offer.

Also, you Boston fans do realize that Tex had a bad experience with your organization when he was drafted out of high school right? He said the Red Sox never even offered him a contract. I'm not saying that would keep him from going to Boston, but you guys certainly aren't his dream team.

While Teixeira has made his preference for the East Coast known, it isn't like playing in a place with the best weather in MLB (So Cal) would be a miserable place to live. It isn't exactly like he's chosing between the East Coast and Alaska.