White Sox, Reds Still Talking Dye

Well, at least Kenny's thinking

Homer Bailey = BUST

celtics464 youre talkign completely out of you @$$

I still think Homer Bailey can be a special pitcher and really hope the Reds hang on to him...the main reason all his stats were down this season is because they took his 4-seamer away so he could work on his secondary stuff. That is why everybody noticed his velocity being down (throwing 2-seam fastball rather than 4-seam), but he can def still bring the heat. Toward the end of the season they started letting him mix it in again and his results changed. If nothing else he will still be valuable as a late inning bullpen guy though I think be more of a 2-3 starter personally which most would be quite happy with!

It's funny that neither side believes a Dye/Bailey deal would have been fair.

Sox fans are undoubtedly overhyping a one year rental for a 35 year old corner outfielder with diminished defensive skills in a market overly saturated with corner outfielders.

Meanwhile Reds fans are undoubtedly overhyping six years of team control over a 22 year old, former top prospect, in fear of a sell low scenario.

My opinion, for what it's worth, in this market, the Reds could grab a plethra of corner outfielders whose WARP equal Dye's. No need in dealing Bailey when young pitching will always be at a premium and the Reds aren't ready to contend in '09.

Wow post title is way off.

Homer Bailey alone for Dye would have been a fleece job.

Who else could the Sox want from the Braves?!

I wonder how Dye to ATL would impact the possibility of Francoeur to KC..

What about this scenario: Reds send Bailey to the Braves, in order to sweeten the pot for Peavy. Sox get Francoeur. Reds get Dye.

Go after Tommy Hanson KW!

I like Frenchy too, but it's going to take considerably more than just Frenchy to land Greinke. Dayton Moore will demand at least one more significant piece.

I'd actually prefer Dye and his shorter commitment (1 year plus an option, I think?) to some of the other names floating around. Hopefully Heyward and Schafer/Hernandez will be up in 2010/2011, and the Braves won't (hopefully) be saddled with some bad contract. I also like davidmp2's idea above, but I wonder if it's plausible. Bailey/Hernandez/Escobar/Francouer for Peavy, essentially? That seems a little steep for Atlanta, I think.

Sorry, shouldn't have included Bailey in that swap - he's just passing through. :) I could live with Francouer/Escobar/Hernandez/BP arm for Peavy.

"I'm not a fan of the Sox or Reds but I think Bailey would be too much for one year of Dye".

Dye has a $12 mil mutual option for 2010. I'm sure the team acquiring him would need some kind of guarantee that he would not opt out after 1 season.

Chisox56,

Defensively... great.

Offensively, God help us all. Unless something mystical happens, owens and anderson starting is scary.

Also,

If you have getz, fields, owens and anderson starting... potentially you have 4 massive question marks. Also, if Lexi and the Q-man don't repeat, that could be two thirds of your lineup that is anything but stable. 2009 is definitely going to be interesting.

About Homer's character:

I'd be interested in wether there is anything to that, because KW and Ozzie have made it clear (this off season especially) that they are not going to deal with anyone's crap.

Davidmp2,

So you're trade involves Dye getting traded for Francour??!? That's honestly the worst trade scenerio on the Internet, glad to see you're a blind Braves fan that gives up Francour and ends up with Bailey. If this wasn't a joke then you have no clue who Jermaine Dye is.

The only think that interests me from the Reds is Brandon Phillips.

"The Sox are prepared to start Opening Day with Dye as their RF" is pure posturing. Obviously, KW is trying to sell high on an aging slugger and buy low on another Gavin Floyd reclamation project.

The trouble from the REDS side IMO is Dye is probably only worth $7-$8M (based on 3-5 WARP) next year, not $11.5M. KW needs to send back $3M like the O's did and both teams just need to settle on the 2nd prospect.

I'd also fully expect the REDS to buyout the contract and not pay the extra $11M for '10. Alonso will be playing 1B full-time and Votto will be in LF. No way they pay that kind of salary for a part-time player.

Personally, I'd like to see us trade for Adrian Beltre.

Of course this deal gets done!! The Reds just can't stop doing the same thing over and over again which has made them losers for the past eight years.

They get rid of two high priced, power hitting Outfielders with limited range in the Outfield (KGJ and Dunn) and THEN trade for Jermaine Dye.

They trade a high priced, injury prone utility player (Ryan Freel) for a Catcher and are probably going to resign Jerry Hairston Jr. Another injury prone utility player.

They got rid of Rheal Cormier and Mike Stanton, a couple of high priced older Relief Pitchers and had to eat their salaries (which Ca$htellini complained about and which was one of the reasons he gave as for firing Wayne Krivsky) and are NOW going to pay David Weathers more because of him accepting Salary Arbitration and are still in the running for Arthur Rhodes.

Like Einstein said, doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is the definition of insanity.

Calm down C. It's a one year deal, as well as Hernandez's is, that is meant to get the young guys more ready for 2010 but still have a shot to compete this year. They don't have young guys or depth on their roster that are ready to catch or play OF for the entire year. These moves are still playing for 2010, while at the same time trying to be competitive in 2009. Anybody really think Bailey will crack this rotation by 2010? Only one spot open, and Thompson and Owings have sadly looked more impressive.

Grizzly,

Here is the problem I have; I and a lot of other Reds fans seem to think the Reds would be smart to aim for 2010 as the year to compete. However, I get the distinct feeling that grumpy old Bob Ca$htellini is STILL under the delusion they have what it takes to compete NOW. Just like 2007 and 2008.

Combine THAT with his impatience and it means he is likely to be putting pressure on Jockitchy to do stupid things NOW to try and be in contention for 2009 instead of just waiting and putting the pieces together for 2010 and beyond.

Look, Ca$htellini wanted Adam "One Tool" Dunn back for 2008 and authorized his $13.5 million dollar option to be picked up instead of just letting him become a Free Agent and picking up the two Draft choices.

He wanted Dusty Baker as a Manager and overpaid for him instead of just keeping Pete M. A guy who took virtually the SAME ball club that Jerry Narron had Managed and made a 20 Game improvement with them.

He authorized the Reds signing and overpaying for Francisco Cordero when it was blatantly obvious the Closer position was NOT the problem with the Reds Bull Pen in 2007 and that there would be a LOT more quality Closers on the market this year.

Based on all of this (and a few more things), I do NOT trust Ca$htellini and his judgement.