Jake Peavy Rumors: Monday

i want peavy in the bronx!

Alright, DTogo, so all those situations absolve Kevin Towers from insulting Braves GM Wren repeatedly with his small jabs and then bringing up all these "worries" out of thin air when evidence and numbers suggest he is merely nitpicking?

Waaah, he's forced into an ugly situation -- all the more reason to handle himself and represent the Padres with grace instead of this unprofessional fodder.

"Anyone besides Carrasco,Drabek and Marson I'm fine with."

It would def. include at least one of them, but not Marson. Most likely either Happ or Kendrick, and releiver plus prospect.

"Not really. Peavy's list of teams he would go to includes the Cubs. Towers is saying what he wants in return. Not a 'bidding' situation, just trade talk."

Towers is weighing interest out there and fielding offers. He's under orders to cut payroll. The Cubs are on Peavy's shortlist (as well as the Braves). But, if the Braves have been moving on (i.e. trading for Vazquez, in serious talks with Burnett's agent), that may eventually rule them out. Unless there's a 3rd team in play for Peavy, it's only the Cubs left.

It's true that the Cubs can go with what they have now and will be fine but the Cubs are obviously interested. A pitcher like Peavy only becomes available a few times a generation. If the right package was on the table it would be done by now. The Cubs either have to up their offer or play a waiting game with Towers. Is that NOT bidding?

"Anyone besides Carrasco,Drabek and Marson I'm fine with."

"It would def. include at least one of them, but not Marson. Most likely either Happ or Kendrick, and releiver plus prospect."

I wonder what the Phillies would get back Vitters maybe?

Offhand, I think some form of the Roberts rumors also involved the Oriole package to include Olson and Roberts. It's funny how many trades and rumors the Orioles and Cubs have done with each other the last several years (i.e. CPat, Hairston, Cherry, Fontenot, Sosa, Tejada non-deal, Bedard non-deal, etc..)

CUBS FANS,
Vitters is a great prospect, as you guys may well know. He shows excellent contact hitting ability and strikezone judgment. The Cubs system has a tendency to pick players purely on tools and that has resulted in some of their recent high profiles busts lately. That being said, Vitters looks like the tools are translating to contact hitting that will probably rise thru the minors with solid numbers. That being said, it is still extremely early in his career. He has perhaps 3 years until he reaches the majors at a conservative promotion schedule. The power is yet to develop and he has yet to face high quality breaking balls and offspeed pitches in well called ABs. He still has a lot to learn. I am not saying any of this to discourage anyone or hate on the Cubbies. I'm just reminding everyone that the distance to the majors is intrinsic to the value of the prospect. Last year in the Bedard deal, the Ms held off on dealing a similarly high potential SS named Tiunfel. He still has the high upside but some shine has been lost this past season after a mixed season. Don't make the same mistake buying the inflated hype around Vitters.

Phils top pitching prospects include:

1-Carrasco should be untouchable

2-Happ- fine trade him away he's a max 3-4 anyways.

3- Kyle Drabek--coming off TJ surgery but pitched well in his starts after surgery. He's got top of the rotation stuff. Son of Doug Drabek.

4-Joe Savery- your typical workhorse. Projects to a 3 max but a 200+ innings eater.

5-Edgar Garcia--struggled in AA but had some good appearances but very young (20). I wouldn't give him up, he could be very good.

6-Jason Knapp- very young (17) but pitched well in rookie league more than a K per inning

7-Vance Worley- Pitched great in rookie and moved up to Low A and pitched even better. only 20 and should be in high A next year. He may be involved.

8-Julian Sampson--enigma. Very talented, but hasn't put it together yet. 3rd round pick last year.

9-Michael Cisco and Michael STutes. both solid pitchers did great in Rookie ball and even better in Low A. Both should start in High A ball.

Again guys like Cisco, Stutes, Sampson, Worley or Knapp fit the profile of Lower level pitchers that Rosenthal speaks of.

Just want to make sure the Phils get enough back however the deal works for them.

"J.A. Happ, Jason Knapp, Joe Savery could any of these guys be traded for Vitters?
I still think the O's said they might trade Olson for Pie.

Could this be the deal?
Cubs get Peavy
O's get Pie
Phillies get Vitters
Padres get Happ, Olson, Marshall, Cedeno, Hart

What do you think? Obviously Happ could be substituted in with another pitcher from the Phillies. I dont believe the Phils have a 3b prospect."

Donald is supposed to be the 3b of the future but if the Phils get Vitters I would like to see them try and trade Donald for Delmon Young somehow.

"Sam I was reading up on the top 20 Phils prospects and from what I have heard Donald is a SS or 2nd Prospect, not 3rd. Not saying you are wrong but just what I read."

In the AFL this year he played SS and 3b.

Donald im mainly a SS prospect. Hes an option at 2b this year while Utley is out.

Cubs get Peavy
Phillies get Vitters, DeRosa
Padres get Happ, Coste, Cedeno, Guzman, Pie

Cubs then sign Dunn, Hudson
Just trying to make this sound better so I can get over if we would trade DeRosa. I really like that guy.

Rotation:
Peavy
Z
Dempster
Harden
Lilly

Lineup:
Hudson
Lee
Ramirez
Dunn
Soriano
Soto
Theriot
Fukudome/Johnson

Marquis makes sense for the Phils, but for that to happen, the Cubs have to either eat a bunch of salary or take a bad contract back.

I've been following the Peavy trade to the cubs for several weeks now and I just don't get it.

Peavy is one of the best pitchers in baseball and the proposed trade doesn't make sense.

It appears if the orioles are involved the trade is as follows:

Orioles get Pie from cubs and a prospect from the pads / or Cedeno from the cubs.

Pads get Olson from orioles, Vitters, Hart, Marshal and maybe Cedeno if he doesn't go to the orioles.

Cubs gets Peavy.

The only winner appears to be the cubs. The orioles already have a set outfield, why do they need Pie? If they had a vacancy what makes them think Pie could fill it. The cubs have tried for the past two years to give him CF. Last year they signed Jim Edmonds and now they are talking about moving their RF to play CF. If Pie was able to play an average CF why wouldn't they keep him. In other words it appears he is a 4 th outfielder. Plus the orioles would be trading pitching which they don't have much of. The orioles lose here. They need a SS and maybe Cedeno will help there but again the cubs tried to give him the position and he couldn't handle it. He looks more like a utility infielder. What are the orioles thinking?

The Pads receive a 3B who completed playing in the A league. He apparently has lots of potential but will be several years away. Besides Headley is their 3B of the future. Whay do they need a 3B who is years away. Although he has potential he may never play in the majors. Did you know Vitters numbers this past season is similar to Jon Gilmore's who the braves traded to the white sox.

The Pads also receive
2 pitchers that are both end of the rotation starters. Unfortunately they will be front of the rotation starters for the Pads. They also receive a 25 year old relief pitcher who pitched at AAA this past year. If this is the actual trade it will be a long year for the Pads.

After looking at all of the above it is my opinion Peavy and his agent is driving this trade. The Pads have to dump salary and take whatever they can get.

I agree with the braves fans, Towers should have taken the braves offer.

Donald is a SS by trade but since he's blocked by Rollins and Utley a move to 2B is out of the question too. That's why they've been trying him at 3B to see if his range is OK.

I can't see honestly that giving up Happ alone gives us Vitters. Would i accept it, absolutely, but i don't see that happening. ALso 4 team deals are VERY difficult.

I wouldn't mind having DeRosa though. he did play some OF this year, he's righthanded which we need to replace Burrell and he's a local product (UNiv of PA). And inexpensive compared to Burrell. Take the money saved and sign Moyer or go after Ben SHeets.

Oh and sign some long term extensions with Hamels and Victorino.

I can't see why the Padres would take JA Happ and Coste instead of Vitters. Seems like they'd probably be better served taking Vitters themselves and either keeping him or spinning him off themselves for young pitching. Happ is a pretty good prospect, but not in the same league value wise as Vitters. I also don't see C being a big enough need for the Padres to really value a 36 year old as a piece in any deal.

Happ straight up for Vitters is total rape by Phillies. No way it ever happens.

I could see:

Phils give up Happ, one of (Knapp,Cisco,Stutes)

Phils get: Derosa

Cubs give up: Vitters, Pie, Cedeno

Cubs get: Peavy

Padres give up: Peavy

Padres get: Pie,Happ,Vitters,Cedeno and one of the three phillies pitchers of their choice.

It gives the Cubs Peavy obviously. It gives the Phils the right handed bat they need to replace Burrell and a Jersey boy (albeit Northern NJ)and Uof P graduate DeRosa.

It gives the Padres, Vitters, Happ (a 5 with possibility of 4 in that park) and a couple positional players and developmental pitchers.

That to me is a pretty fair deal for all considering its all but assumed the padres NEED to do this deal.

What about a Pie for Happ deal with maybe another prospect involved.

why would the Phils need Pie when we have Victorino? plus Werth in right and platoon options in left? Plus our minors are stocked with OF's that (no offense) should blow Pie away. (Taylor, Dom Brown). And why would you want Happ? he's a starter? you don't need one, especially if you ever got Peavy.

Basemonkey,

Not sure if Pie was a hold up to last year's saga. Anyway, it appears there is a three or four team deal with the Cubs and Padres for Peavy, so our discussion is mute...so it seems.

I am curious if you think Roberts signs or is traded. No Cub rumors, just in general.

I think roberts stays. They have a ton of talent in the minors thats about 2 years from making a big impact, if they can extend him 3 years they're in good shape. If they trade him most of the talent probably wouldnt be ready for 3 or 4 years im not sure if they want to wait that long. I guess either way makes sense, but i dont see them just letting him walk. They either extend him by July or hes gone.

If we traded DeRosa that would give us 5.5 mil more plus getting rid of Marquis would give us about 16-18 mil to spend this year.

wayne,

to get Peavy, they may be dumb enough to do it. He's like Nick Punto x 100. And if all we give up is Happ and another lower level ML pitcher (assuming he's not named Drabek), I'd do it in a heartbeat.

"to get Peavy, they may be dumb enough to do it. He's like Nick Punto x 100. And if all we give up is Happ and another lower level ML pitcher (assuming he's not named Drabek), I'd do it in a heartbeat."

If it's Drabek I say no he has ace stuff and I could be our #2 in a couple years.

amhcubby12,

I don't see the Phils trading away a much cheaper pitcher for another Adam Eaton type guy, I think they would want a position player in return.

derosa could be a phil? what the hell? if hendry didn't shut that crap down immediately there's something seriously wrong going on here. is he delusional enough to think fontenot can handle a full time job at 2b?

"The Angels haven't taken themselves out of the discussion."

Since when were they in the discussion for Peavy. Not only are they in the AL, but they aren't the Cubs, which is the only team Peavy has agreed to be traded to.

Well obviously were going to have to give up something to get Peavy. Yes Derosa is a very good player, but he is getting older and hes in a contract year. Its going to be hard for him to match the season he had last year, if the cubs make this deal and lose DeRosa another deal would follow to add a utility man right away, maybe Aurilia or Inge. Im not sure the Tigers would give up inge but its an option. I like Derosa alot, but the rotation we would have is worth it. Plus getting rid of Marquis (who i just dont like for no good reason) makes it worth it.

TIME OUT!

TIME OUT!

TIME OUT!

Lets think back to the beginning of the year. The Padres said they MIGHT trade Peavy...unfortunately Towers cannot get the haul he wants from any team, so why WHY would he just lower his demands for the Cubs?

Think about it, maybe in July...Bailey, Thompson are tearing up the minors, and are winning the central..Padres-Reds?

Seriously though, Towers doesnt have to sell low now on a very affordable Ace.

Towers is under pressure to lower his payroll significantly, maybe as much as 40 million in some reports. That is why he is ready to ship Peavy. Plus Peavy has given him only 5 teams to work with, significantly lowering his position. He tried the Braves, for whatever reason could not get it done, he has no desire to send Peavy up the road to the Dodgers and the Cardinals and Astros have less than the Cubs. That is why this deal has been pushed through.

So, he was expecting to get a HAUL of young affordable players. Think about the Haren trade. Even Santana got a lot of value for one year. Peavy is signed CHEAPLY, undervalue for about 4. The difficulty is his NTC.

I dont think Towers will trade Peavy. I think he will look to be creative in other ways. Maybe he can move Giles' salary to the Cubs in a seperate trade...who else on that team has a high salary?

HOLD IT!! WAIT A MINUTE!!!

This whole Peavy deal sounded great until now. No way we get rid of Derosa!! It sure would be nice to get Peavy but at what cost. We have to give up our whole future AND Derosa. One guy isn't worth all of this. FORGET IT!!

Hey Phillies fans, I don't know a lot about Happ, but with the new update it seems like they're exchanging him for Derosa. Is that something you would want to do?

I hoped that the Cubs and Hendry would have learned from the Soriano incident, that is aquiring him for way more money than he is worth. But apparently not. We did fine last year. I doubt that one guy that we have to give up everyone for coming out every 5-6 days is going to make that much of a difference.

GmblngPtchr20, Towers just said an hour ago the ball in the cubs court to accept the deal. Why dont you think Towers will trade him? I have a feeling a deal doesnt get done either but thats just because im a cub fan and assume the worst. No i dont think losing derosa is the end of the world, I dont think hes more than 2 or 3 wins better than Fontenot.

:D

Towers said earlier that peavy wouldnt OK any deal to a AL team.

Heres a question? Who would back up at 3rd if DeRo is traded?

Here's another question. Who would back up 3rd, left, or right field if DeRosa is traded?

Plus too, the persuasion from Bud Black, a former Angels coach, and the ability for Peavy to not have to move him and his family(if he has one?... I'm not sure)

The cubs top 3 would be set for 4 years. And if they choose the resign Harden they wouldnt have to worry about the rotation for a long time. A 2nd basemen shouldnt stand in the way of that. There will always be a quality player available to play 2nd. As cub fans were lucky enough to have a team that will spend money to address the issues, right now its just a little messed up because of ownership.

DeRosa in leftfield wouldn't be a bad play for the champs. A .290 hitter in the 5 or 6 hole on this team would be nice follow of utley and howard.

This should get resolved one way or another. I think Hendry needs to figure this out so he can address the other big need.

'So where are we at?

Cubs get Peavy
Phillies get DeRosa + ?
Padres get Wertz, Happ, Marshall, Vitters, Cedeno (idk)?"

You can possibly add Guzman to that deal. I really hope not though that kid has such a good arm if he could stay healthy. Wow if thats not the famous cub line idk what is.

I would also add olsen to that deal, as the cubs would likely make a side deal with the orioles for Pie.

Seriouslly Ruben your trading Chris Coste and J.A. Happ for Mark DeRosa?Looks like Ed Wades tenure all over again.

Now all the CUBS need is someone to teach them to win a game that matters!!

Oh wait.........Cub fans are still going with that cursed thing!!

Cubs=The Chokes Keep Coming: 1910, 1918, 1929, 1932, 1935, 1938, 1945, 1984, 1989, 1998, 2003 & who can forget that confused & scared look on big DLee's face in 2008 postseason?!?! (Probably everyone since Cubs were out of postseason so quickly!!)

I agree dennis,

You want to strengthen the rotation, that is great. But why trade a key player to obtain it. I would argue Mark Derosa is the dollar for dollar MVP of the team. If anything, I would rather see him signed to an extension. I am fine with trading Vitters, Pie, Cedeno, or any marginal pitchers (Marshall), and I know it takes something to get something. But trading Mark Derosa is one of the last things I would like to see Hendry do.