No Manny For Angels, Mets

Where is the chat Tim.

If Tex signs with Boston the Yanks will definitely sign Manny. No doubt in my mind. And although I think he has a much better chance of Tex signing with Boston I'm still holding out hope the Yanks can scoop him. I'd rather have Tex than Manny but if you put Arod in front of Manny then Arod will win another MVP. I look forward to it either way.

This news appears good for Yankee fans no matter what. Boras would probably like Teixeira in Boston so he can now have the Yankee's pay for Ramirez. As a Sox fan, and for the rivalry, I would love to see this happen. Many say the Yankee's are only trying to drive up the price for the Sox in reference to Teixeira... but either way, they are going to get someone.

Angels GM Tony Reagins, who said:

"Manny Ramirez will not play for the Angels in 2009, or beyond, for that matter."

AKA the ANgels are fitting Paul Konerko's # 24 right now for him.

"and add in character/behavior clauses."
LOL.. that is never good.
Manny is not going to cut all his hair off and shave that beard of his'..
The only way he goes to the Yankees is if the Dodgers say screw it and turn him away, in which the Mets should be the next best thing for him
He will not fit in with the Yankees, his skill set would.
Not his personality.

From Heyman: "

The Yankees are on the verge of signing free-agent slugger Mark Teixeira, SI.com has learned.

For more on this developing story, click here."

I don't know what to think. Someone please think for me.

I'm thinking it'll end up as Mets vs. Dodgers for the services of Mr. Ramirez, considering Mark Teixeira (pauses to gag) is a Yankee.

F**K TONY REAGINS. YOURE RUINING THE ANGELS CHANCES BY THE MINUTE.

THE YANKEES HAVE TEIXEIRA AND AROD. THE RED SOX ALWAYS BEAT US. CAN YOU PLEASE GIVE US SOME HELP AND SIGN MANNY. I DONT CARE HOW MUCH IT TAKES

"I DONT CARE HOW MUCH IT TAKES"

Yeah that makes sense.

So far as Angels general, Tony has failed. Giving up Kotchman for a rental player with no championship in return. Now losing out on all the big free agents. Still possible trades, but as of right now he has failed.

"So far as Angels general, Tony has failed. Giving up Kotchman for a rental player with no championship in return. Now losing out on all the big free agents. Still possible trades, but as of right now he has failed."

Wrong again you got Tex for Kotchman.. Kotchman is Loney lite with better glove..

You have Morales to step in and he should put up better numbers the Kotchman, so I don't see the big problem.

I don't have a problem with this.. Lackey, Saunders, and Santana need to be locked up within the next year.

Arte Moreno will spend when he needs too.

This may sound wild, but there are some rumors that Manny was spotted in Detroit. Any chance the Tigers trade Maggs and sign Manny?

Stupid Angel fans have infiltrated this site.

Look, Manny doesn't fit the mold of Angels baseball. I'm not talking about his style of play, I'm referring to his personality. The Angels are built on a team concept - Manny is the epitome of a selfish (granted he is amazing) player. The Angels lack of interest in Manny should NOT come as a shock to any fan.

The Angels have played this smart. It would be great if they had unlimited funds like the Yankees - but they don't. Reagins is making SMART decisions. As it stands now, we will have 3 first round picks (Tex, K-Rod, and our own) + 3 supplemental picks (Tex, K-Rod, Garland). That's 6 picks in the top 45 draft slots. We also sock away $45m to make future moves (I'm a huge advocate of signing Dunn + Burrell + working out a deal for Peavy).

And, without any signings we are still left with a great team. A team that was on pace to win 97 games BEFORE Tex came over. It's reasonable to assume Morales can replicate Kotchman's offensive numbers and that there will only be a slight drop off at the closer role. As it stands today the Angels are looking good for a 90+ win season. The number could easily be higher if the Angels can avoid the type of injury problems they saw last year.

While, I do think the Angels need to make something happen in order to advance in the playoffs, this team is still the best in the West by a long shot.

No problems with Anaheim repeating and no reason to add weirdo Ramirez to start sulking either. if need another bat? Try Dunn or Burrell, at least they will show up and play the best they can each and every game.

"The Angels have played this smart. It would be great if they had unlimited funds like the Yankees - but they don't. Reagins is making SMART decisions. As it stands now, we will have 3 first round picks (Tex, K-Rod, and our own) + 3 supplemental picks (Tex, K-Rod, Garland). That's 6 picks in the top 45 draft slots. We also sock away $45m to make future moves (I'm a huge advocate of signing Dunn + Burrell + working out a deal for Peavy). "

I 100 million% agree with this post. Reagins has made the right decision and I am sure he has talked this over with Arte Moreno countless times. However, the future is still uncertain. I like "looking internally" to give opportunities to home grown talent, however, with the stakes raised in this expensive poker game, I would like the Angels to secure at least one bat in Dunn, Burrell (or both), and possibly Peavy. I still like Prince Fielder in an off-season trade.

I just want to be sure they aren't sticking to their guns.

How much money do the mets have approx. to spend this offseason. Manny seems to be a little out of the financial realm of the mets because their need for lowe/perez is about 16 million a year. Plus Krod's 12.3mm and Putz is like 5mm. I would trade castillo for marquis contract on the cubs if possible for the 5th spot on the rotation. Manny would though be a sick addition to the mets. A lineup that looks as so would be top in the NL and top 5 in the league. Omar pull some stops out becuase next years market is boring and useless.

1.Reyes
2.Murphy
3.Wright
4.Manny R.
5.Beltran
6.Delgado
7.Church
8.Scheinder

Lethal lineup, plus it would boost at least by 10 percent the numbers of murphy(would get more fastballs),wright (pick him or manny,pick ur poison) and many will rather face beltran who is pretty legit himself.

This is why the Angels don't do squat you have all these hippy laid back fans....Hey man it's cool we don't need anyone Morales will put up better numbers than Kotchman did" Oh yeah Morales hit a woppin .249 in 377 ML ABs whoopie! and his glove doesn't touch Tex's or Kotchman's.Go ahead and waste what little time you have left with the stars on this team. Maybe Wood will hit 50 points higher this year ofcorse then he will still only hit .250 Maybe Kendrick will play 40 games this year before he pulls his hammy and misses 2/3 of the season. And maybe Lackey was just kidding when he said he would wait to see what the Angels did with their offensive problems before he signed an extension. Reagins is screwing up the team because he is intimidated by the people he has to deal with. Gut the whole team trade Reagins for Billy Beane and start over

So basically this is Arte saying to Boras, "F you for using us to raise the stakes on Tex, and good luck signing your other client, because we aren't going to". If I were Manny, I'd be pissed with my agent.

I just find it funny that manny thought the market for him was so big that he made such a spectacle to leave boston. look where it got him. he doesn't have a SINGLE known Offer on the table. I bet u that 20MM option to play alongside big papi for a winning team doesn't sound that bad anymore does it manny?

Only team that was even rumored to make a offer were the Yankees and I mean....where would the guy play now?

Dodgers or Mets maybe, whoever winds up with him wont be spending 25 mil, he probably will wind up not even getting the 20 million he could of gotten this season.

The question wasn't directed at me but I will answer anyway, I would rather no Yankees or Red Sox, I would of liked Nationals!

Thundah77: What would you REALISTICALLY suggest happen with the Halos? Reagins can't be held completely responsible when Arte is the person pushing the buttons on the Tex offer and withdrawl. Go ahead and try to the owner.

As I said before, the concern is with a bat. They can attempt to make a trade for Peavy, Fielder, or perhaps Votto or Dye. Spring training hasn't started, so just chill and lets see where the Angels go from here.

I would just like to say do people think Scott Boras is an idiot? He knows how to get his client money, and there is no way he would have let the Yankees sign Tex if he didn't have a plan for Manny. I still put money/odds on Hank still wants Manny and will notice he's still under last year's payroll and will add him to the roster around New Years as the signing of Tex stole the headlines for Christmas.

manny will end up in a dodgers uniform. for about a 3 yrs 73 million dollar range

You really can't trust a word a GM says to the media, but you have to love the way Minaya and Reagins (and indirectly, Riccardi) are taking it to Boras by bowing out of the Manny sweepstakes publicly.

Realistically, there were only 10 teams that could possibly maybe afford Manny:

Angels
Blue Jays
Dodgers
Red Sox
Mets
Yankees
Orioles
Nationals
Yankees
Rays

Most NL teams are basically out, because why would you spend that kind of money over 3 years+ on a 37 year old bad defender with problematic knees? Of the NL teams. only the Mets and Dodgers could truly afford to give Manny money in potentially unproductive years of a contract. Of the AL teams, the Red Sox are out for obvious reasons. The Angles and Blue Jays have publicly bowed out, and the Yankees don't need another LF/DH and just blew a lot of cash in a bad economy on 3 FAs.

That leaves the Rays and the Dodgers. The Rays ownership has not shown a propensity to do deals of that nature, but might take chance if the money was right.

Colleti actually did something really smart by publicly offering Manny 2 years at a massive annual rate. The annual automatically probably knocked everyone but the NY and LA teams out of the bidding even at 2 years. I agree with others here that if he eventually pays for that 3rd year, he lands Ramirez and gives the Dodgers the clear edge in the division.

Manny a Dodger? McCourt will never ever outbid the Steinbrenners, so how's that happening?

BTW, remember when the Dodgers were considered a big market team? You know when they will be again? When McCourt develops enough key friends on the City Council to ram his Chavez Ravine development project down the throats of the city and its fans so he can make his billion dollars and sell the team to someone who cares. That land is still the ONLY reason he bought the team. All the faux Dodger community building is part of his hallucination that he's going to be seen as a Good Guy in LA.

It would be ultrasweet if Manny could no longer get $20M anywhere. and had to sign for less than his Red Sox option.

Not to worry, the Yankees will bail me out. They always bail me out.

i will be utterly nauseiated if the mets front office doesnt pony up and sign Manny. Everytime the mets are in the prime position to get a great hitter (cerca Alex Rodriguez) they back off. its ridiculous. Minaya needs to persuade the wilpons into getting manny. He has no market and is basically sitting in the mets lap waiting to be signed.

dump castillo for a bag of balls. Sign O-hudson, Sign Manny, sign Lowe, and sign Pedro for the fith starter wwith a 1 year 1 million dollar deal.

If Minaya does this I will be reassured with the Mets chances of winning in 09. These past years I have been utterly dissapointed. Sitting in the last game at shea stadium and watching the Marlins just take my dreams out of my hands.

We need to win now and these moves are the only way possible. I am not comfortable with the lineup the way it is now. The DELGODFATHER did in fact have a superb year last year, but can we expect him to do it again? I dont think so. Manny will supply the stability this line-up needs.

Just get it done Omar. Get it the F#$^ done.

Its so funny how east coast people belittle the Dodgers ownership as being cheap.

They had the 7th largest payroll last year and its one of the most profitable franchises in MLB.

I would argue that at this time there are only 4 or 5 teams that could afford Manny at this time and the Dodgers would be one of them. Of those teams, the Yanks are set and the Red Sox and Angels want nothing to do with him.

Thats all the teams. The Mets are obviously hurt by the Madoff debacle. That $300 mill loss surely hurt the Wilpons.

So it seems pretty much a given that Manny is going to be a Dodger again.

That is the truth.

paxterj, your assertions of McCourt's intentions with Chavez Ravine aren't happening. He's spending $670M on a massive upgrade project on the stadium and surrounding grounds:

http://losangeles.dodgers.mlb.com/la/ballpark/next50/project.jsp

remember, when omar was hired, he was promised full autonomy... if he wants manny, he will get him... I think hes playing the waiting game to drop his price, like he did with Krod

Maybe Ned Colletti isn't an idiot...

If he can sign Manny on his terms, then he will receive a Gold Star for his off season work...

It looks like the only shot Manny has at getting a better offer than the Dodgers is to play for a loser and finish up his career watching the playoffs on TV...