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According to Dejan Kovacevic of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, the Pirates are in talks with free agent reliever Derrick Turnbow. Kovacevic notes that Turnbow stopped pitching in July this year due to a slight labrum tear. Turnbow, 31 in January, hasn't shown any control since 2005.
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Huntington really loves his hard throwing relievers. Not that I have a problem with it.
Posted by: bigpat | December 03, 2008 at 11:00 AM
I'm not really sure why anyone would want Turnbow. The guy has some wicked stuff but his control is a joke.
I guess he'd be fine on a minor league deal but no way anyone gives him an MLB deal.
Posted by: scribbletone | December 03, 2008 at 11:01 AM
"Huntington really loves his hard throwing relievers. Not that I have a problem with it."
Turnbow can still throw hard? I think you mixed your words up. Huntington loves relievers that use to throw hard, but can pitch worth crap anymore.
Posted by: BravesRed | December 03, 2008 at 11:03 AM
Not sure what type of negotiations need to take place.
Turnbow, you're done, do you want a contract for the league minimum? yes/no
Posted by: KG2577 | December 03, 2008 at 11:04 AM
Pedroia 6 year extension. 40.5 million.
Posted by: ArodSucksAtLife | December 03, 2008 at 11:11 AM
"Not sure what type of negotiations need to take place."
Yeah I think the negotiations are more like Turnbow begging for a ML deal while the Pirates go, "ehhh no.."
"Pedroia 6 year extension. 40.5 million."
Is this a report from you or what?
Not really that significant considering that Pedroia was never going to leave the Red Sox anyways.
Posted by: scribbletone | December 03, 2008 at 11:13 AM
"Is this a report from you or what?"
Its actually true. Its on ESPNEWS, and a few other places.
Posted by: BravesRed | December 03, 2008 at 11:19 AM
Its looking like another exciting season in the Burgh.
The Bucs need some big moves which are not going to happen.
They need a top of the rotation starter. Next year when the real Pittsburgh prospects start coming up like McCutchen, Alvarez, Tabata, and Walker it would be nice to have a decent rotation.
If you put a Burnett at the top of your rotation then having Maholm and Snell behind him isnt bad at all. Maybe Gorzelnny bounces back and if he dont you have Ohlendorf, Jeff Karstens,and Daniel McCutchen to fight out 4th and 5th in the rotation.
We spend $10 million on Morris which I know was a mistake but what would Burnett cost? You are never going to win without a Doug Drabek and we dont have one.
Posted by: We Traded Rameriez For What? | December 03, 2008 at 11:20 AM
I was just wondering if that was some oddly placed idea of his or something that had actually just occurred. Glad to have that clarfied.
"They need a top of the rotation starter. Next year when the real Pittsburgh prospects start coming up like McCutchen, Alvarez, Tabata, and Walker it would be nice to have a decent rotation."
Totally agree. I really think that Pittsburgh should be concerned with the long term outlook of their pitching staff. The minor leagues really won't have much to offer outside of guys like Moskos, Ohlendorf, Morris, Lincoln and McCutchen, and they really don't have much else. Unless guys like Snell and Gorzelanny bounce back and Maholm maintains his performance, they'll be in trouble.
But the offense should be very interesting in the long term with guys like McLouth, the LaRoches, Doumit, Moss, Pearce, Alvarez, McCutchen, Walker, and Tabata.
Posted by: scribbletone | December 03, 2008 at 11:30 AM
How about this: Reyes or Morton/B. Jones/Prospect for McLouth?
They get a pitcher, a outfielder to replace McLouth or platoon with someone, and what ever prospect they get.
Posted by: BravesRed | December 03, 2008 at 11:48 AM
Why would they do that?
Trade our best power hitter for Reyes or Morton two guys who put up horrible numbers last year, a far inferior outfielder, and a scrub prospect, get serious.
Posted by: BucSox | December 03, 2008 at 11:56 AM
We need to move Sanchez and Wilson now.
Posted by: BucSox | December 03, 2008 at 11:58 AM
You are going to have to blow the Pirates away for McClouth. He is cheap and under the Pirates control for a long time.
Have you heard what they want for Wilson well McClouth has more value
Posted by: We Traded Rameriez For What? | December 03, 2008 at 12:01 PM
If the Braves want McLouth they would have to give up Hansen I would imagine or Jurjjens which will outrage Braves fans, but it is what it is. The Pirates are not going to trade McLouth, Doumit, Maholm, or Capps other than those four and Brandon Moss I hope they get rid of the rest of the big league roster. Oh wait keep Snell and Grabow too.
Posted by: BucSox | December 03, 2008 at 12:05 PM
"Have you heard what they want for Wilson well McClouth has more value"
Yes, I have. That's why he is still a Pirate.
"We need to move Sanchez and Wilson now."
Wilson will be a Pirate until his contract expires, or Pirates lower the demands. Have fun trading Sanchez too. So, if Pirates want to trade players, they need to start talking their good players.
Posted by: BravesRed | December 03, 2008 at 12:08 PM
BucSox,
How about Hanson and Jurrjens for nearly all your farm system? It will never happen. For Pirates to get Hanson or Jurrjens, individually, it will cost them McLouth, and about some more top prospects, because Pirates farm system is not impressive.
Posted by: BravesRed | December 03, 2008 at 12:11 PM
Only way I'd want McLouth traded would be if we were blown away. I'd want a young starting pitcher who's had success at the MLB level. Nate could maybe be replaced with McCutcheon or Tabata, but Cutch hasn't hit well enough in the minors to justify trading the best hitter on the team.
Posted by: bigpat | December 03, 2008 at 12:19 PM
Wow I told you Braves fans would get upset. Anyway you are crazy Jack will get traded, Sanchez may not but he is gone after this year anyway so no big deal. Hanson and Jurjjens for our entire farm system, way to overrate our prospects that trumps every Yankee/Red Sox/Met/Cub fan that I have ever heard.
You are just upset because I said that the Pirates wouldn't trade McLouth unless they got a good player.
By the way what does this sentence even mean?:
"So, if Pirates want to trade players, they need to start talking their good players."
Posted by: BucSox | December 03, 2008 at 12:21 PM
Jack Wilson will be moved this year and their is more to baseball than hitting dingers. Thats why 5 teams are interested in him when they can sign Furcal or Renteria without giving up a player.
Your proposal sounded not very good and Bucsox was right that any trade for McClouth would have to include Hanson.
Posted by: We Traded Rameriez For What? | December 03, 2008 at 12:23 PM
If Pirates want to trade players, they are going to have to start with their good players, because no one wants washed up players like Wilson for good players.
To be honest, the trade for McLouth was a suggestion, not something I think should happen.
Posted by: BravesRed | December 03, 2008 at 12:28 PM
Jack Wilson washed up young!
Posted by: We Traded Rameriez For What? | December 03, 2008 at 12:37 PM
What's funny is all these other teams asking for Pirate players. I mean if they suck why would you want them for your team, right? Look, McLouth has value as he is young, talented, and contract friendly. Also keeping Wilson would not be much of a bad thing. The Bucs are not looking to "shed" salary and considering the contracts being mentioned out there for free agent SS, Wilson seems reasonably priced.
Posted by: enchinga | December 03, 2008 at 12:37 PM
BravesRed, you have to look at it from the Pirates perspective as well.
Why would they want to trade the best players on their team for marginal prospects? Reyes has failed miserably every season he's been in the majors. It's not hard to find pitchers like him. Jones is no better than the OF'ers we have now. I agree that they shouldn't expect to get a lot for Jack Wilson, but don't act like he's useless because that is not true.
It just ticks me off as a Pirates fan because for so many years we've traded away our best players for guys who never seem to work out. There comes a time when if you have a good player, you have to keep him and try to win.
Posted by: bigpat | December 03, 2008 at 12:39 PM
There is no reason not to sign Turnbow to a minor league deal. Zero downside.
Posted by: TNS | December 03, 2008 at 12:40 PM
If 6 teams contacted the Pirates for a washed up guy then maybe they are the one with suspect GMs. Seriously Jack Wilson is not washed up and has a lot of value to some teams.
Posted by: BucSox | December 03, 2008 at 12:44 PM
The thing thats funny is last year we turned down Jurrjens for Jack Wilson from Detroit which was a mistake but Jack makes any pitching staff better with his fielding plus he can hit for Avg, bunt, and hes a leader.
Posted by: We Traded Rameriez For What? | December 03, 2008 at 12:46 PM
McLouth won't get dealt. The Pirates need to give their fans a reason to come to games next season, and an offense with McLouth, Doumit, the LaRoches and Moss is at least interesting.
Unless they could land an elite prospect and other young players, moving McLouth doesn't make sense.
They're more likely to move him once McCutchen is up and they can use guys like Moss, Pearce and/or Walker in the corners.
If McLouth is dealt, they would have to get an elite pitching prospect in return.
So from Atlanta, would they do McLouth for Tommy Hanson and Gregor Blanco/Josh Anderson?
Posted by: scribbletone | December 03, 2008 at 12:48 PM
I cant see the Pirates and Braves trading anyway. The Braves have got a ton of outfield coming through their system.
Posted by: We Traded Rameriez For What? | December 03, 2008 at 12:54 PM
"For Pirates to get Hanson or Jurrjens, individually, it will cost them McLouth, and about some more top prospects, because Pirates farm system is not impressive."
Yeah, I'm sure the Braves would have no interest in either Andrew McCutcheon or Pedro Alvarez.
Posted by: vtadave | December 03, 2008 at 12:55 PM
I can't understand why we would trade McLouth, as he IS a young player, whom we will control for a long time. I think that unless the Pirates can get something excellent for Jack, they should not move him, as he is the Pirates' most marketable player with local fans, and losing him would lose half of the few fans that they have. But please, find a way to get SOMETHING for Sanchez!
Posted by: piratefan14 | December 03, 2008 at 12:57 PM
I wouldn't think McLouth as an untouchable. For the right prospects, you move him. Atlanta fan is reaching in trading for him for a handful of fringe prospects.
Posted by: enchinga | December 03, 2008 at 12:59 PM
"I can't understand why we would trade McLouth, as he IS a young player, whom we will control for a long time. I think that unless the Pirates can get something excellent for Jack, they should not move him, as he is the Pirates' most marketable player with local fans, and losing him would lose half of the few fans that they have. But please, find a way to get SOMETHING for Sanchez!"
Again, in the right deal, lets say the Yanks offerring a Hughes and Betances, you have to make that deal.
Posted by: enchinga | December 03, 2008 at 01:01 PM
Medlen/C. Johnson/B.Jones/Reyes or Morton for McLouth?
Two pitchers, two outfielders. Medlen and Johnson are two of the top fifteen prospects in the Braves farm system.
Posted by: BravesRed | December 03, 2008 at 01:04 PM
Hanson or Heyward maybe! You keep talking depth for a star.
Posted by: We Traded Rameriez For What? | December 03, 2008 at 01:35 PM
Hanson and Heyward are worth more right now, then McLouth is. Medlen is considered one of the top pitching prospects in the minors. He can out do nearly any pitcher Pirates have. He's in the top 10 prospects of the Braves, that would make him like #2 or #3 in the Pirates farm system.
Posted by: BravesRed | December 03, 2008 at 01:56 PM
I like Medlen. He seems to have some talent and upside. How about Medlen, Escobar, and Morton, and maybe deep A pitching prospect for McLouth? That catcher the Braves just gave up for Javi would have been nice...
Posted by: enchinga | December 03, 2008 at 02:26 PM
Alvarez is probably gonna be the Pirates future SS, so Pirates don't need Escobar. The catchers name is Tyler Flowers. I think my last trade proposal would be more than enough, the Pirates could throw in a prospect to make it even.
Posted by: BravesRed | December 03, 2008 at 03:07 PM
Alvarez will project to a corner infielder. Either 3rd or 1st base. Escobar would fill in quite nicely into the lineup. Especially if Jack Wilson is traded.
Posted by: enchinga | December 03, 2008 at 03:22 PM
How about this: If Braves can sign Burnett, Pirates can have Escobar, Morton, and another prospect for McLouth.
Posted by: BravesRed | December 03, 2008 at 03:34 PM
LOL! As if we could make the trade...If it were me, I would do it for Escobar, Morton, Reyes, and Medelin. The reality of it is the Bucs will probably ask for Hanson+...
Posted by: enchinga | December 03, 2008 at 03:45 PM
If you would want Escobar, Morton, Reyes, and Medlin. You better be adding atleast one more prospect to the list with McLouth.
Posted by: BravesRed | December 03, 2008 at 03:51 PM