Red Sox Attempted To Acquire Hanley Ramirez

nym4life,

There are more than 2 players in the MLB who should be untouchable but I agree with your thinking.

OH NOOOEEESS!!!!!!!!

RSPN is going to be all over this. I can see Gammons now

I would give up close to anything to re-acquire Ramirez.

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Gammons say the Red Sox are in deep trade talks for Hanley.

I guess with FLA you never know but with Hanley wrapped up for awhwile pretty unlikely. They did trade Miguel Cabrera so there's hope for the Nation.

Bucholz & Ellsbury is a decent place to start though.

i think there shouldnt be any untouchables. Even the best players have a price.

If i were the marlins i would ask for bucholz, lowrie/ellsbury, bowden/masterson, reddick and another high-celing prospect like almanzar or middlebrooks.

Maybe im way off but that would seem fair to me.

Sorry, but the Marlins did not lock up Hanley through 2014 with the intent to try and dump his salary the immediately following offseason. They have all the leverage in the world.

Any package would likely start with Lester or Pedroia, and several blue-chip prospects on top of that.

"If the Red Sox offered Pedroia and Lester, I'm sure the Marlins would listen."

Not... ever... happening.

Boston should offer Beckett and Lowell.

If the Marlins are listening on proposals for Hanley, than the A's should really consider giving up a solid package consisting of some of their pitching to get him. He would be worth every penny to have the SS of the future...

"Not... ever... happening."

Then Hanley to Boston is not...ever...happening. You've got to give up talent to get talent. Buchholz and Ellsbury don't even begin to cut it.

"If the Red Sox offered Pedroia and Lester, I'm sure the Marlins would listen."

Not... ever... happening.

Because trying to acquire Hanley Ramirez is... ever... happening. You can't get Hanley without giving up pieces of equal value. And no, 8 prospects doesn't equal Hanley. You would have to include Lester or Pedroia.

red sox are not trading lester.

I would pretty much offer my first born plus every prospect in the farm system to get Hanley. But the Marlins will trade him eventually in 2013 whens hes about to cash in.

Maybe I OD'd a bit but it would take alot and I really hope the Marlins just hang up the phone. Hanley has'nt even peaked yet

I think you are wrong mtzxc.

8 prospects is way too much for anybody, i mean if you talk quality prospects.

Miguel Cabrera is as good with the bat or even better than hanley and he didnt require 8 great prospects and not even one proven player (stars) like lester and pedroia.

I know hanleys salary situation gives the marlins more leverage but its still too much to ask for one of lester/pedroia plus a bunch of prospects.

As i said before, if the red sox give up lester, they would at most give 2 prospects not named buchholz or anderson.

Kramerica Industries,

It was still a bad trade, I dont care if you won the W.S.

Hanley is wildy good and would be more valuable to you then Beckett has been in my opinion. Factor in what Anibal could have done. Beckett won you the W.S. but with Hanley you would of had better shots at it.

I know hanleys salary situation gives the marlins more leverage but its still too much to ask for one of lester/pedroia plus a bunch of prospects.

As i said before, if the red sox give up lester, they would at most give 2 prospects not named buchholz or anderson.

Posted by: gemf89 | December 29, 2008 at 10:00 PM

RIDICULOUS...to think that anyone has a shot at Hanley is a joke....This article was put out to give something people to think/talk about....Its like me saying the Yanks made a play for Grady Sizemore last week....fictional

ha! nice try, Sox.

Uggla to the Angels might be nice...

RSPN will be all over this in the AM

"REDSOX are idiots,trading away Hanley for basically nothing."

I've thought about this trade a lot and you are WRONG. Although Hanley was clearly the most talented player involved in that trade, beckett and lowell were HUGE parts to your ws victory. The marlins haven't won a world series with hanely...and in the end that is the ultamite goal. So although five years from now when Hanley wins back-to-back mvps and beck and lowell are retired it might seem like a terrible trade (not to mention anibal's no hitter) but remember that the red sox wouldn't have won without those two players and it is impossible to tell if the same would have happend if they had kept Hanley. Personally I don't think so.

Wow I didn't even think about that. I guess Delmon/Span, Slowey, Blackburn, and Aaron Hicks would get their attention.

But the Red Sox probably could have won the 2008 WS without those two players, and with Hanley.

And the 2009,2010,2011, and long after all those players are gone...

The Yankees could have traded Jeter for Smoltz in 1995 and they could have won the 1996 World Series. People would have said it was a good trade, even if they didn't win in 98,99,00.

Boston is extremely fortunate that they won in 2007, or else that trade would have gone down as one of the worst in recent history. Right now, it's only pretty bad.

Buchholz, Bowden, Anderson, and add 3 more prospects. They dont want Ellsbury, they already have their CF for the future.

Hanley isn't even a SS so this wouldnt fix Boston's problem. 20+ errors a year, going to end up in the outfield like sheffield, braun, etc

If I were the Marlins, I propose Pedroia and Anderson as the starting point.

Of course, the Sox can't trade Pedroia. They don't have anyone who can take his place, and it would be a PR nightmare.

Hanley is a better fit on another team with more to offer. I wonder if Baltimore would give up Wieters+ for Hanley?

i think trading pedroia would be a huge mistake. He is a cornerstone in the clubhouse and on the field.

Why not a 3-way?

Hanley Ramirez to the twins

Joe Mauer to the Red Sox

Ellsbury,Buchholz, Reddick and Bard to Florida

"Boston is extremely fortunate that they won in 2007, or else that trade would have gone down as one of the worst in recent history. Right now, it's only pretty bad."

Or they could have gone a decade or two without winning a WS at all. Nomar was better than Hanely has been and they were unable to win a WS with him.

Championships start with pitching...with which Boston wouldn't have had enough without the Beckett trade.

to andew.... ya give up 4+ prospects for one player.... and our four top prospects... in your dreams

Sox aren't trading Pedroia. Period.

The Red Sox were not idiots trading Hanley to the Marlins for Beckett & Lowell. Beckett had a Cy Young worthy year in 2007 & was the ALCS MVP. Mike Lowell was also Great in 2007 with WS MVP & pretty good in 2006 with 47 Doubles 20HR/80RBI.

but if this trade was to happen they would need to put up a 3 types of players...
1. A already proven player(Masterson, Lowrie, or Ellsbury)
2. A player ready to emerge (Bowden or Bailey) or possibly a vet like Lugo.
and 3. one of there top 10 prospects

Lugo might not make sense considering the money but maybe the sox would eat most of his contract & why doesn't anybody talk about Jeff Bailey? he was the 2008 International League MVP.

at zack... i was talking about giving up our top 5 prospects... not just any prospects..

Some of you people are just laughable.

First of all, Theo inquired about Hanley. 99% chance it isn't going to happen but he's not leaving any stone unturned.

Second of all, the trade worked out well for both sides. Red Sox got the World Series MVP Mike Lowell and Josh Beckett, who was the most dominant pitcher in baseball during 2007. Hanley is a cheap, young shortstop and the Marlins are certainly better with him, but what have they won?

People who say that was a bad trade for the Red Sox are haters plain and simple.

The Red Sox had to try and do something. The Yankees are a better team on paper now going into 2009, and are the clear favorites. I don't blame them for trying to get Hanley, although they'll have to give up a ton to get him back. With New York and Tampa in their division, the Red Sox may be the odd team out in 2009.

Erik
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Hanley was highly regarded, Sanchez was in the minors with an era under 3 and a 10K9 ratio, Garcia was a reliever with a 2.02 era with 11K9 ratio, and delgado was a power arm reliever too.

If you want a Top 5 player in the game you have to give up stuff.

3 way deal:
BoSox get: H. Ramirez, M. Napoli
Angels get: D. Uggla
Marlins get: D. Pedroia, J. Lowrie, J. Masterson, Reddick, Middlebrooks, J. Arredondo, D. Moseley

THE RED SOX ARE NOT TRADING LESTER OR PEDROIA!

Petey and Lester are the 2 players on the Sox team not going anywhere. They would probably trade Paps before either even.

With Jeter's skills declining a SS, Don't be surprised if the Yankees made a play for him in a couple of years.

johns,

Hanley plus the other 3 guys>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Beckett and Lowelll.

Its not even close. Like AndrewYF said whos to say Hanley doesnt give you better oppurtunites in other games. He would of been playing everyday over Lowrie. Much better hitter. Plus the years before you have Hanley Ortiz Manny. That is just ridiculous and ready to have a dynasty run. Beckett was great in the postseason dont get me wrong but the trade was still a pretty bad one. I am really glad you guys made the trade. Makes the division more winnable for the Yanks.

Beckett has won you 1 W.S. with great years from your other players and Manny in the postseason. Hanley would of gave you the oppurtunities for a dynasty and it would of been better to keep him.

"Hanley plus the other 3 guys>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Beckett and Lowelll."

At least say Hanley + Anibal + the other 2 guys. Don't discount his no-no like that.

What if Pedroia was the main piece? Doesnt make sense but would the Sox pull the trigger ? PR reasons might be the answer but then again Sox dont care bout the PR. Pedroia/Buchholz/Lowrie? Would you do it

Posted by: YankFan408 |
If Ramirez was in his walk year then YES .
But what everyone is forgetting is he isn't and to get this type of talent that is locked up long term it's going to cost the team trading for him BIG TIME . Do the Red Soxs have the pieces to make the trade YES , but it most likely would take a 5 or six for 1 deal to get it done. Buchholz / Masterson / Bowden / Lowrie and Anderson with 1 lower tier prospects most likely would get it done .
And losing this group would not have any effect on The Red Sox at all.
Just so you know I'm a from Cleveland .

"With Jeter's skills declining a SS, Don't be surprised if the Yankees made a play for him in a couple of years."

The Yankees' "play" would come during the 2014 offseason, and it would take the form of an 8-year/$600M "take-it-or-leave-it" offer.

Yep, they got desperate.

RSPN = TRUEEEEE

i dunno how much i believe this rumor maybe verducci and haymen said lets start a rumor and dismiss it imediately, because lets face it any team would consider trading their "star" player for ellsbury and clay based on their future. example mauer for clay and ellsbury or something like that. im probally wrong but i dunno i have a weird suspicion about this rumor

YankFan408 Are you serious? Hanley is good but NOT THAT GOOD. Playing in Florida & playing in Boston are too different. Playing the teams in the NL East isn't nearly as tough as in the AL East. His stats are good but take note he's not playing Against the Yanks or Sox.

"It was still a bad trade, I dont care if you won the W.S."

I assume the standards that you're apply for a good trade is the fact that you simply don't like the Red Sox. The Red Sox gave up 2 high quality PROSPECTS and in return got a young power arm (You remember that guy who out pitched CC during the playoffs) and a rebounding power hitting defensive third baseman (You know... that guy who has been compared to Brooks Robinson in defensive abilities). Add to that... the world series title. Seriously if that's a bad trade then you really have no clue what a fair trade is.

"Wouold it even be smart to do a 5 or 6 for 1 deal ? Thats the type of trade that would set up the Marlins for a decade it would be ridiculous."

That's the kind of deal they always do. All the analysts are like, "Oh no! Fire Sale!" when it pays off. Just to name a few: (Hanley Ramirez, Cameron Maynin, Dontrelle Willis, Ricky Nolasco...)

DunkinDonuts - anibal sanchez had surgery and was returning from it, thats why his numbers are like that. but nice try

hey i guess YankFan408 is trying to say if you make a "bad trade" you'll win the WS... so why isn't more teams making these typs of "bad trades"

No they were not, ESPN and others narrowed it down to Angels, Sox, and Nationals. Everyone else was on teh Manny to the bronx train