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Cubs-Peavy: Nothing Cooking
6:23pm: I just spoke to a source familiar with the Cubs' thinking. Hopefully I can further douse the flames of the Peavy-Cubs rumors - the Cubs aren't planning to restart the Peavy talks, and none of their recent trades for pitching were related to Peavy. Keep in mind that the team's ownership situation is far from resolved. - Tim Dierkes
5:58pm: MLB.com's Barry Bloom heard from Cubs assistant GM Randy Bush that the Cubs have had "no talks about Jake Peavy since they were well-documented during the Winter Meetings." However, this doesn't mean that talks won't restart.
Bush said the Cubs could go into Spring Training without further changes, but sounds open to adding players if they come at the right price.
5:16pm: In an ESPN.com video Buster Olney says, "at some point you can expect the Cubs and Padres will again start talking about a Peavy deal" now that the Cubs have added pitching in trades.
Earlier in the winter, the Padres wanted more young arms than the Cubs could offer. Since then, the Cubs added pitching to the organization in the Mark DeRosa deal and created flexibility by trading for Aaron Heilman.
The Cubs could structure a deal for Peavy around prospect Josh Vitters and young pitching.
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Interesting topic.
Posted by: studio179 | January 28, 2009 at 05:17 PM
AND HERE WE GO AGAIN!!!
You would like to think the Cubs would want him in with pitchers and catchers reporting, so hopefully this won't drag on for too long.
Posted by: RenegadeRalphE | January 28, 2009 at 05:19 PM
just get him so i can stop visiting this site 15 times a day.
Posted by: cubbies26 | January 28, 2009 at 05:20 PM
Who would be the "young pitching" they would part with?
They seem to have about 15-18 guys penciled into what should be a 11-12 man pitching staff.
Posted by: RoyalsRetro | January 28, 2009 at 05:20 PM
P.S. BAKO SUCKS!!!!!
Posted by: J. Bates | January 28, 2009 at 05:22 PM
I 2nd cubbies26's motion
Posted by: Ag3ntOrang3 | January 28, 2009 at 05:24 PM
Ugh, not again....
Posted by: SoleMaverick | January 28, 2009 at 05:25 PM
Peavy-Cubs (BS) rumors? What a refreshing new and exciting topic!
Posted by: FanOTheRumors2 | January 28, 2009 at 05:25 PM
Interesting considering that Assistant GM Randy Bush said in his press conference today that the Cubs have had NO discussions since the deadline and that he DIDNT ANTICIPATE any in the future. I'll assume Tim didnt get that. Of course, he could be posturing, but I think the heilman deals more than any shows that they arent anticipating a peavy deal.
Posted by: forlife61 | January 28, 2009 at 05:28 PM
Since the cusb have added pitchign flexibility, they are gonna demand Sean Marshall.
When Big Z and Harden and Peavy and Dempster all are injuried, I hope the White Sox bandwagon doesn't tip over.
Posted by: RenegadeRalphE | January 28, 2009 at 05:29 PM
Cubs.com had an article about the sale being finalized and Peavy coming to the Cubs around the same time. Obviously, Hendry has done some questionable moves this offseason. If it results in Peavy, at least we know why. As of now, he is setting up the team to include Peavy or go into the season without Peavy. Either could be the case. I still don't hold a bunch in Olney's or Bloom's articles. The Ricketts still have to get the financing for the other half of the Cubs together. There is a lot of twists and turns involved. Hendry has himself in position to make a run at Peavy or move on without him. I'm still on the fence. I am not sure if Peavy decided to pitch in the WBC. I hope not.
Side note, what is the deal with Marmol pitching 2 innings the other day. Lou already overuses him at times. Carlos needs to stay away from the WBC, too. Heilman and Marmol were the most over used relief pitchers last year.
Posted by: studio179 | January 28, 2009 at 05:30 PM
How many spots can the Cubs offer to pitchers? 12 at the most? I have a tough time believing after dealing for Heilman and sending Olsen to M's that Hendry will trade try to trade for Peavy. This deal doesn't follow suit to this action.
Posted by: rockstrongo | January 28, 2009 at 05:30 PM
Why go after this "Jake Peavy" character & go after Brian Roberts...And I know what your thinking HERE WE GO AGAIN!!!....but you would have 2 Switch-hitters in your line-up..maybe at the top of the order...& you could sign Roberts...with the amount that Garland signed for you could make a reasonable offer to any free agent pitcher out there
Posted by: Serio_Nipples | January 28, 2009 at 05:32 PM
The way the Cub GM did his wheeling and dealing, to get to what he needs to trade, you have got to like it. That is going to be an awesome pitching staff if they get Peavy. Way to go Cubbies!
Posted by: Cyyoung | January 28, 2009 at 05:32 PM
Crane Kenny was on with Kaplan last night. He said the Cubs were not done trading. Ofcourse, today we get the Heilman for Cedeno and Olsen news. Not sure if that was what he meant or not. As if he would disclose any Peavy talks anyway.
Posted by: studio179 | January 28, 2009 at 05:33 PM
lol cubbies26
Posted by: Pistolpete463 | January 28, 2009 at 05:33 PM
"Side note, what is the deal with Marmol pitching 2 innings the other day. Lou already overuses him at times. Carlos needs to stay away from the WBC, too. Heilman and Marmol were the most over used relief pitchers last year."
Great point, which is why i think olney is dead wrong. The cubs arent stockpiling pitching for a Peavy trade, they are stockpiling pitching for themselves. We already know Harden has some issues. But as you pointed out, Marmol has been worked alot the past few. Z for the first time in his career started to show some wear and tear. Gaudin had some back issues that made him pretty ineffective at the end of the year. There has also been alot of talk about keeping Smardzjia in the minors to be a starter. With the added depth, you might have the luxury of stretching him out and grooming him to be the eventual replacement for Harden who will be a FA after '09.
Posted by: forlife61 | January 28, 2009 at 05:38 PM
Rock, I think Hendry is setting himself up for a Peavy run. If he can't get him, he has his 5th spot in place. I think Hendry is just covering all angles with the Heilman deal and getting rid of two roster spots as well.
Posted by: studio179 | January 28, 2009 at 05:39 PM
In similar news....What a nice night for an evening.
Posted by: EricTheMidget | January 28, 2009 at 05:39 PM
I'm on the fence about whether they should trade for Peavy. First, consider that Lilly and Harden will leave next year, and that while they could very well be Type-A free agents, it's unlikely the Cubs offer them both arbitration (though with the new owner they might).
So with Peavy, the rotation beyond 2009 features Samardzyija and Marshall unless they trade Marshall. I'm convinced acquiring Heilman as the long man signals that Marshall would be part of the deal.
It's still worth it, but barely and with the high injury risk it could be one of the most disappointing seasons ever. What's going to happen with Gaudin by the way?
Posted by: RandomScrub | January 28, 2009 at 05:40 PM
Yeah, the Shark will likely start the year in AAA to get more needed work and to work on a third pitch to eventually start. That seems to be the plan at least.
Posted by: studio179 | January 28, 2009 at 05:41 PM
Guzman, Marshall, and Vitters is the likely deal. Unless the Pads are as desperate as we all think, and then its Marshall, Guzman, Colvin, and two of the Cleveland pitchers.
Posted by: RandomScrub | January 28, 2009 at 05:42 PM
If we trade Josh Vitters and JAke PEavy gets hurt this will probably be the worst offseason the Cubs could have. We might win the division again, but we lose the best 3rd base prospect, lose the guy we trade him for, and probably have harden and Z go down with him leaving heilmen and marshall as the 3-4 and the Shark at 5. Then our pen will really be a disaster.
Posted by: bobby p | January 28, 2009 at 05:42 PM
IT's not going to happen.
Gaudin is arb eligible and controlled for 1 more year after 2009. So, he won't be in a Peavy deal. Neither will Heilman.
Samardijija has that NTC and won't go anywhere.
I don't see the pieces for a Peavy trade. Cedeno and Olson would've been interesting in such a trade since they're controlled for a while.
Posted by: melonis rex | January 28, 2009 at 05:44 PM
The Padres are not that desperate. Remember, new ownership. Vitters has to be in any Peavy deal.
Posted by: melonis rex | January 28, 2009 at 05:44 PM
Gaudin had those back issues last year and his control was not good when he returned. He will be in the BP mix this year.
Posted by: studio179 | January 28, 2009 at 05:45 PM
Ben Nicholson-Smith, thanks for creating the most pointless thread ever on this site.
Id rather read about minor league signings than more Cubs BS that probably isnt going to happen.
Posted by: PL | January 28, 2009 at 05:46 PM
"It's still worth it, but barely and with the high injury risk it could be one of the most disappointing seasons ever. What's going to happen with Gaudin by the way?"
He should be in the rotation mix with Marshall and Heilman. And first guy up when there's an injury.
Posted by: melonis rex | January 28, 2009 at 05:46 PM
"just get him so i can stop visiting this site 15 times a day"
Can't you just watch the news?
Posted by: OctoberFlurry | January 28, 2009 at 05:47 PM
"Ben Nicholson-Smith, thanks for creating the most pointless thread ever on this site."
It was reported by Buster Olney. Blame Olney, not Ben.
MLBtr is just the middleman/discussion place for the info.
Posted by: melonis rex | January 28, 2009 at 05:47 PM
melonis rex,
look how backloaded peavys contract his.. he has his no trade clause until 2010. so its cubs or no one until then... in my opinion it would be best for the padres to try to trade and take vitters and Co. and maybe they will have a great guy in 3-4-5 years WHEN THEY ACTUALLY CAN COMPETE
Posted by: Pistolpete463 | January 28, 2009 at 05:49 PM
Huh? Olney reported it, MLBTR decides what to and what not to post. Ben decided to create this post, not Olney.
This dreck could have easily been added to the 5 other Cubs threads on the front page. It contains no actual news and is pure speculation from Olney.
Posted by: PL | January 28, 2009 at 05:51 PM
If I'm the Padres, I keep Peavy. Then, see where I am at the trade deadline in the weak NL West. If I'm out of it, I trade Peavy for a package of prospects. If I'm in the running, I keep him. Trading him now would be foolish. Wait until free agent pitchers fall off the market and teams get more desperate.
Posted by: d32123 | January 28, 2009 at 05:51 PM
"we lose the best 3rd base prospect"
I'll trade a high prospect for a bonafide stud ace any day.
Posted by: crazy northsider | January 28, 2009 at 05:53 PM
I'm sorry, even with Peavy this is not a championship team. Kevin Gregg, Luis Vizcaino, Aaron Heilman, Aaron Miles, thoughts of Juan Uribe? Give me a freaking break.
Winners go out and get the best players, and the best GM's make trades that make sense for both teams without overpaying in prospects or dollars. All Hendry has done this offseason is get fleeced in every deal (i.e. Ceda for Gregg when Ceda was "untouchable" in the Roberts deal last year) and overpay for players (Bradley) that won't play more than 90 games next year.
Now he wants to fill the bullpen, which was one of our strengths last year, with 5.00 plus ERAs and the hole in our line up with someone like Bradley, instead of a cheaper, 1 year plus a higher priced mutual option with Dunn.
He also wants to trade our best prospect (Vitters), and give everything we have received for DeRosa and the other quality players we have to overpay for Peavy, who was on the disabled list last year and who is owed millions of dollars, and has no one pursuing him. We have the upper hand in the negotiations, but I think everyone knows that except Hendry.
I hate to break it to you Cubs fans, but we'll be lucky to be in 2nd place next year. This is NOT a championship team. It's a team full of veterans who are tired of losing and tired of seeing idiotic moves made that make their team worse.
Keep up the great work!
Posted by: TheGrinch | January 28, 2009 at 05:53 PM
OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!11
ITS CALLED A F****** NO TRADE CLAUSE YOU WORTHLESS IDIOTS!!!!
ok sorry about that... but really "i wait to the trade deadline" 1. he could get injured 2. NO TRADE CLAUSE---he has said cubs only
Posted by: Pistolpete463 | January 28, 2009 at 05:55 PM
In similar news, change is inevitable....except from vending machines
Posted by: EricTheMidget | January 28, 2009 at 05:56 PM
"Gaudin is arb eligible and controlled for 1 more year after 2009. So, he won't be in a Peavy deal. Neither will Heilman.
Samardijija has that NTC and won't go anywhere.
I don't see the pieces for a Peavy trade. Cedeno and Olson would've been interesting in such a trade since they're controlled for a while."
I'll point to the new Cubs owners that might place a halt on Peavy or give the green light. We don't know if they are willing to approve his back end of the salary. That has to be the starting point before names are discussed by fans who think Hendry has/has not enough to get it done. Hendry is getting guys to fill in spots without Peavy or to make his run at him.
Posted by: studio179 | January 28, 2009 at 05:56 PM
of overpay peavy.. exactly how much should cy young winners make.. with sub 3 eras???
only 5 mil?
Posted by: Pistolpete463 | January 28, 2009 at 05:57 PM
Adding to my post. Gaudin and Heilman are not in a deal for Peavy. That I agree.
Posted by: studio179 | January 28, 2009 at 05:58 PM
Vitters is very, very far from the bigs. The further away a prospect is from the bigs, the less likely he is to reach his perceived ceiling.
Posted by: melonis rex | January 28, 2009 at 06:00 PM
sorry for all these posts but really the grinch!? be lucky to get second place? im praying for your mental sake u meant if we didnt trade for peavy! cause peavy, dempster, z, harden, lilly would easily win (with are offence) over 100 games. secondly, we won 97 games last year. lost wood and derosa and jason and gained gregg and viz and heilman.. So where did we get that much worse? i mean gregg for ceda was terrible, but how does that affect this year besides gregg possibly helping us?
Posted by: Pistolpete463 | January 28, 2009 at 06:02 PM
oh and bradley of course
Posted by: Pistolpete463 | January 28, 2009 at 06:02 PM
"He should be in the rotation mix with Marshall and Heilman. And first guy up when there's an injury."
Gaudin will not be the 5th starter. As far as the first guy up due to injury, possible. I like Guzman's stuff better though. But Gaudin will be used a lot.
Posted by: studio179 | January 28, 2009 at 06:04 PM
Why are the Cubs after Peavy? Is 4 all star starters not enough? Whatever players the Cubs are thinking about trading should have been added with Pie and shipped to Baltimore for Brian Roberts. The Cubs need a second basemen and a legit lead off hitter to head the top of that lineup not another expensive starting pitcher.
Posted by: yanks09 | January 28, 2009 at 06:06 PM
Towers admitted to talking to Hendry a week ago. And we're supposed to believe that there was no mention of Peavy?? Give me a break. Maybe they talked about Peavy at the winter meeting and said "you go get me these guys and then we'll talk". That is what Hendry has been doing.
Posted by: Deuce | January 28, 2009 at 06:06 PM
Yanks-
Peavy would be MUCH MUCH MUCH more valuable to the Cubs than ANOTHER 2B. Fontenot and Miles are a lot closer to Brian Roberts than Heilman or Marshall are to Jake Peavy. Peavy is EXACTLY what they need.
Posted by: Deuce | January 28, 2009 at 06:07 PM
While I don't think the Cubs will be lucky to be in 2nd place this year, it will be extremely difficult to repeat last year's win total. The Reds are going to surprise a lot of people this year and could even challenge for the division title, and with the Cardinals getting Carpenter back in their rotation (HUGE boost), they should win a few more games as well.
The Cubs will be lucky if their pitching staff can get through the season with less than 2 injuries. It's very up in the air for them this year.
Posted by: ws2009bound | January 28, 2009 at 06:08 PM
It's MLBTR's job to post what news is posted, especially the opinions and reporting of a top dog like buster olney.
Posted by: RenegadeRalphE | January 28, 2009 at 06:09 PM
Zambrano
Peavy
Harden
Dempster
Lilly
Best rotation we'll ever see in our lifetimes IMO.
If the Cubs somehow lose with that rotation I'll become a believe in this so called "curse"
Posted by: Gleb | January 28, 2009 at 06:10 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7reY8OyYmLI&feature=related
Posted by: bobby p | January 28, 2009 at 06:12 PM
Cubs fans,
Would you trade Carlos Zambrano for Vitters, Marshall and Guzman?
Keep in mind that Peavy is better than Z.
Posted by: rockraines | January 28, 2009 at 06:14 PM
why does everyone worry about vitters who has never played a major league inning, and wont be ready for a few years. win in 2009 and screw 2012 for now
Posted by: domenic | January 28, 2009 at 06:18 PM
"Why are the Cubs after Peavy? Is 4 all star starters not enough?"
Your Yankees are the ones going for a 7-8 man starting staff. You got Sabathia, Burnett and now Pettite along with the others. Plus, some Yankee fans still want Sheets. Geez!
I'm busting you here, but that first sentence you wrote cracked me up :)
Posted by: studio179 | January 28, 2009 at 06:19 PM
Deuce....why is Peavy exactly what they need? The rotation they had last year won them the division with ease and Harden wasn't even in it until the end of the year. If Peavy was a playoff stud I could see why. But Peavy has been rocked in the playoffs. So if the Cubs had Peavy in last years playoffs would it have changed anything? Probably not.
The Cubs do not need Peavy they need Roberts. They need to change the makeup of the offense. They started out good with Bradley now Roberts would make the perfect fit at the top of that lineup.
Roberts
Lee
Ramirez
Bradley
Soriano
Soto
Fukudome
Theriot
Thats a good, patient, powerful balanced lineup that will put a ton of pressure on opposing pitcher and defenses
Posted by: yanks09 | January 28, 2009 at 06:21 PM
rockrainees: NO, they would definetly have to include another pitcher. That is why I say don't do the Peavy trade, he is better and he would cost too much.
Posted by: bobby p | January 28, 2009 at 06:22 PM
i think if it came down to getting roberts or peavy i might have to go with roberts but only if pinella promised to never put soriano in leadoff again
Posted by: domenic | January 28, 2009 at 06:24 PM
Thats pretty laughable to think the best team in the national league last year that hasnt lost anything to be 'lucky to get 2nd.' So the reds might surprise some people and have a winning record and the cardinals might be a little better with carpenter... No one in that division comes close
Posted by: UofI32 | January 28, 2009 at 06:24 PM
rockraines you just helped me put things into perpective. in all seriousness thankyou
Posted by: Pistolpete463 | January 28, 2009 at 06:25 PM
Gleb-
I've heard that before..."it will be the best rotation ever" stuff, in 2004:
Wood
Prior
Zambrano
Clemens
Maddux
But I hope it works out next year.
Posted by: Cubs World Champs please B4 I die | January 28, 2009 at 06:27 PM
rockraines- you're probably right about Peavy being better than Z, but I would like to see him pitch at Wrigley for year to determine that. His splits say that he would be close to Z's numbers.
Posted by: rockstrongo | January 28, 2009 at 06:27 PM
Sorry, typo.
#4 Matt Clement, not Clemens
Posted by: Cubs World Champs please B4 I die | January 28, 2009 at 06:28 PM
How about just not posting anything else about Cubs/Peavy until something actually happens?????
Posted by: E K | January 28, 2009 at 06:28 PM
Too many people interested, as eveidenced by Peavy posts get 3x more comments than anything else.
Posted by: Cubs World Champs please B4 I die | January 28, 2009 at 06:30 PM
I also would rather have Roberts than Peavy. The guy is an on base machine and I know Im not the only guy on the board that wants to see Soriano hitting 3 run homeruns instead of solo. Peavy would add to an already tremendous staff that saw its offense let them down in the playoffs. It must be tough to have to watch from the outside as we battle over which guy to get: an all star switch hitting leadoff man or one of the most solid aces in the game
Posted by: UofI32 | January 28, 2009 at 06:30 PM
yanks09- I agree, but the Roberts boat has probably sailed already. Fontenot is probably a very comparable player according to his numbers from last year. It's yet TBD whether or not Fonty can keep up his .900 OPS over the course of a season though.
Posted by: rockstrongo | January 28, 2009 at 06:31 PM
Thanks Tim. Hopefully those words will keep things from spiraling out of control in regard to these talks on this website.
I just dont see any reason to go over all this again. Can anyone here say something relevant that has not been said yet? Not without new info and until there is new info or word that talks HAVE RESTARTED, there is no need to go through this stuff again!
Posted by: SoleMaverick | January 28, 2009 at 06:32 PM
way to kill the fun tim
Posted by: Pistolpete463 | January 28, 2009 at 06:32 PM
The Cubs also scored the most run in the NL last year without Brian Roberts. And just added Milton Bradley. Jake Peavy would give them the best rotation of all time. Every day the Cubs could be the favorite to win. I hate it when I see Marquis coming to pitch and im thinking "ok were expected to lose this one." Imagine if that was Peavy!
Posted by: Deuce | January 28, 2009 at 06:33 PM
im with cubbies26 on this one
Posted by: cubs4ever39 | January 28, 2009 at 06:33 PM
This is rediculous with the back and forth talk about Peavy. Just kill it already!
Posted by: rockstrongo | January 28, 2009 at 06:33 PM
"I just spoke to a source familiar with the Cubs' thinking. Hopefully I can further douse the flames of the Peavy-Cubs rumors - the Cubs aren't planning to restart the Peavy talks, and none of their recent trades for pitching were related to Peavy. Keep in mind that the team's ownership situation is far from resolved. - Tim Dierkes"
Thank You Tim. Im glad the varsity (Tim) got in here and took over for the JV that is reporting this hooey. It should also be noted that Jessie Rogers reported on the SCORE that Bush went as far as to say he didnt expect the Peavy talks to be rekindled. Again, I know GMs and their assistant dont tell the media everything, but it coincides with the dealing of Cedeno and Olson, both of who were thought to be coveted by the pads.
Again, I think the Heilman deal ( who Bush said will be in competition for the 5th spot with Marshall) kinda signaled the probablity that Hendry is moving on w/out Peavy. And as tim pointed out the ownership issue is far from settled. This is a far cry from the nonsesne about Peavy being a done deal with in days of the cubs sale. People who were actually paying attention knew that wasnt going to happen.
Posted by: forlife61 | January 28, 2009 at 06:34 PM
Olney said "at some point." I bet that is a little closer to Opening Day, or maybe, early in the season or the deadline, if JP is still healthy. Both teams have a reason and an interest in making this deal, so it's OK to talk about it!
Posted by: Cubs World Champs please B4 I die | January 28, 2009 at 06:35 PM
Rockraines,
I would take Zambrano over Peavy anyday. Although the wind blows in more days than it blows out(dumbest misperception by none Cubs fans), Zambrano would dominate in a pitcher's park like PetCo.
Both Zambrano and Peavy are great, but I'd take Zambrano who is #1 in oppenents OPS allowed over the last 5 years total (best new stat to track pitchers to see who's legit and who's a fluke...). To cover myself, Peavy is #5 I believe.
And half of the trade talks have to do with contract ramifications, so yes I would take that trade if I was the Padres organization with Zambrano.
Posted by: O'Cey | January 28, 2009 at 06:36 PM
I figured this thing was dead after the Heilman trade anyway...in fact, it was probably dead before the trade. I had held out some hope as the Padres seemed fond of both Olsen and Hart in addition to Vitters. Cedeno leaving in the trade is another signal, as the Padres could clearly use a young SS. Any trade now would involve Vitters and pitching prospects...and I just don't see that happening. At best (or worst?) this is something that can be re-visited later in the season. If Harden or any other starter gets hurt, the Cubs may be forced to consider moving what little minor league talent they have.
Posted by: crunchy1 | January 28, 2009 at 06:37 PM
o cey im a cubs fan u can see from my posts.. but u taking z over peavy is downright stupid
Posted by: Pistolpete463 | January 28, 2009 at 06:37 PM
"Jake Peavy would give them the best rotation of all time."
Unbelievable. You must have been asleep in the 90's when the Braves had 3 hall of famers pitching in their rotation. Stop already, i've gritted my teeth long enough when it comes to your stupid posts, and know im calling you out, be quiet already.
Posted by: forlife61 | January 28, 2009 at 06:40 PM
the good thing is that we should still make the playoffs without him and as everyone knows anything can happen from there
Posted by: domenic | January 28, 2009 at 06:46 PM
although i am still mindboggled by some of the moves hendry has made now that it looks like there will be no peavy
Posted by: domenic | January 28, 2009 at 06:48 PM
forlife-
He meant as CUB fans the best rotation we'll see in our lifetimes. We all know about the Braves in the 90s.
Posted by: Cubs World Champs please B4 I die | January 28, 2009 at 06:49 PM
Maddux, Glavine and Smoltz (3 amazing HOF)
Peavy and Harden are comparably as dominant right now. Zambrano, Lilly, and Dempster (all possible all-stars) make up the difference of that one extra HOF.
The Braves might of easily had the best 1-3. But the Cubs would have the best 1-5!
Posted by: Deuce | January 28, 2009 at 06:51 PM
how bout trade for peavy if it doesnt cost the whole farm OR sign Orlando Hudson and sheets(to a pettite tye deal) that would help our line up a ton
Pitchers-
Z
Harden
Dempster
Lilly
Sheets
Line up-
Soriano
Hudson
Bradley
Ramirez
Lee
Soto
Fukudome
Theriot
(Soriano will lead off no matter who we get because thats where he likes too and when healthy can be pretty good at it.)
Posted by: Cubsfan60 | January 28, 2009 at 06:52 PM
"Jake Peavy would give them the best rotation of all time."
ugh! cringe! That even makes a die hard cubs fan wince. It would give them a nice group of very good pitchers but none are "great"
Posted by: cubz23 | January 28, 2009 at 06:52 PM
No one said:
"Jake Peavy would give them the best rotation of all time."
This is a false quote.
Posted by: Cubs World Champs please B4 I die | January 28, 2009 at 06:54 PM
Gleb, speaking as a Cub fan, said: "Best rotation we'll see in our lifetimes, IMO" and he meant CUB rotation in our lifetimes, as Cub fan. Geez.
Posted by: Cubs World Champs please B4 I die | January 28, 2009 at 06:56 PM
my mistake then gleb
Posted by: cubz23 | January 28, 2009 at 06:58 PM
I guess i spoke too soon sheets won't get a contract like Pettitte. Sorry but maybe he would sign a 2 yr contract for 15mm-18mm
Posted by: Cubsfan60 | January 28, 2009 at 07:00 PM
Don't worry Cubbies fans. At the 11th hour when it looks like you're about to get a deal done for Peavy the Yankess will swopp in and scoop him up from you. Then they'll ask the New York government for another 400million to "finish completion of their new ballpark". -signed, disgruntled Red Sox fan :^)
Posted by: kbin007 | January 28, 2009 at 07:03 PM
No I said "Best rotation of all time". Ok you can't really compare rotations now to roations 70 years ago cuz they were 2 completely different games. But as of now the 93-95 Braves had the best rotation with Maddux, Smoltz, Glavine, and Avery. A lot of people can say that was the best roation EVER. And I'm saying that with Peavy, on paper, the Cubs would have the best rotation EVER. I even looked at the ERAs and the Cubs 1-4 would have even better ERAs than the Braves 1-4, not to mention we have Lilly as well whereas the Braves had NO ONE!
Posted by: Deuce | January 28, 2009 at 07:04 PM
Hey, enough with the incessant bashing of Tim's replacements. It's like your mom got remarried to this really nice guy, but you're 12 and you hate him just because he's not your dad. Chill out! The guy is just doing his job; he found a quote from Olney (a significant source) and he posted it. No big deal.
There's a tone of arrogance in some of these posts that's really distasteful.
Posted by: jrfukudome | January 28, 2009 at 07:06 PM
Cubz23- You don't think Peavy or Harden are "great" pitchers? They are both top 5 pitchers in all of baseball. They are definitely GREAT pitchers. Zambrano is another great pitcher. If Dempster pitched like last year than he is another great pitcher. Lilly is the only good pitcher on this team.
Posted by: Deuce | January 28, 2009 at 07:07 PM
At this point I honestly hope another team offers SD a better package and they take it. Im guessing theres got to be at least a dozen teams out there who could offer better packages then a dry cubs farm, the only thing is: none of them are in "win now" mode, *sigh*.
Posted by: PL | January 28, 2009 at 07:12 PM
WHAT? Cubs aren't getting Peavy? Didn't we know that all along?
Posted by: stlcardinals010 | January 28, 2009 at 07:14 PM
A lot of you seem to think the Shark will start in AAA... but my question is why wouldn't you be penciling him in for the setup role that he seemed to be comfortable in last season. We have a good enough starting staff even with the #5 slot up in the air. We just need to make sure that the pen can hold leads because none of our starters are mentioned in the same breath as "complete game durability/reliability".
Zambrano and Harden are injury concerns and wont get left out past the 7th and 6th innings respectively if anyone besides Dusty Baker is running this club. Thank god we have Lou...he doesn't pander to Zambrano and Lily's hissyfit when he goes to the mound and sends them towards the shower. Dusty might go down in history as the dumbass who murdered(or at least maimed) the careers of two of the brightest pitching prospects in the last few decades(Wood, Prior). He just didn't have the common sense to take a guy out around the 100 pitch mark despite what inning or situation of that days game was. Did the same with Zambrano even after those two guys fell down the proverbial DL-well...amazingly it didn't really start to affect him previous to the past couple seasons.
I can see them using trader Jim's first blunder of the offseason market, Kevin Gregg, in the setup role to start the season. When its painfully obvious that Gregg isn't cut out for that role on a playoff caliber team they will just call up the Shark anyway*.
Does anyone know if putting the Shark in AAA to start the season uses any of his options or is that only for in season transactions?
*I give it until late april before this happens.
Posted by: Gleebo | January 28, 2009 at 07:16 PM
Peavy and Harden are both top 5 in the majors? You are nuts. Lincecum, Webb, Johan, Cliff Lee, Halladay, Dan Haren. Ill give you Peavy MAYBE, but Harden is so injury prone.
Posted by: SSSox | January 28, 2009 at 07:19 PM
theres no doubt the cubs would have the best rotation MLB has ever seen if they got peavy.
Zambrano - whoever says hes not an ace is clueless. Over the last 5 years, hes #1 in opponents OPS allowed. enough said.
Harden - a top 3 pitcher in MLB when healthy. ill take 6 innings from him anyday of the week.
Peavy - cy young speaks for itself, a top 3 pitcher in the NL
Dempster - 200+ innings with an era under 3. Sorry, it wasnt a fluke haters. The best in the rotation at mixing his pitches and changing speeds.
Lilly - a legit #2 on most teams. Steps it up big time after a cubs loss. Very reliable.
the braves 1-3 was truly great.. however very similar to z, peavy, harden. dempster and lilly added on just blows their whole rotation out of the water
Posted by: neil | January 28, 2009 at 07:23 PM
PL
for the fifteenth time.. NO TRADE CLAUSE.. no other team could offer anything because peavy said cubs or padres
Posted by: Pistolpete463 | January 28, 2009 at 07:25 PM
and cmon... dont try to say assanine things like cliff lee is a better pitcher then jake peavy.. cliff lee has had one dominant year right after a horrible one. let him go another year before making statements like that
Posted by: neil | January 28, 2009 at 07:27 PM
“Towers admitted to talking to Hendry a week ago. And we're supposed to believe that there was no mention of Peavy?? Give me a break.”
Most likely they talked about Rich Hill. It is no secret that San Diego is looking for cheap pitching options, and Hill needs to be removed from our roster. Three teams have been said to be interested in Hill, the Padres almost have to be one of them.
“I even looked at the ERAs and the Cubs 1-4 would have even better ERAs than the Braves 1-4, not to mention we have Lilly as well whereas the Braves had NO ONE!
Kent Mercker constitutes “NO ONE!”? You may want to look at that 1994-1995 rotation again. And actually, the 1997 Braves rotation was probably the best (read results and balance) ever seen by the posters of this site anyway
Smoltz 3.02 ERA / 138 ERA+
Glavine 2.96 ERA / 141 ERA+
Maddux 2.20 ERA / 189 ERA+
Neagle 2.97 ERA / 140 ERA+
Millwood/Wade/Brock making up the 5th spot.
That rotation went 75-37 with a 3.05 ERA, 843 Strikeouts to 270 Walks and a 1.15 WHIP in 1096.2 Innings.
Posted by: SuzysMan | January 28, 2009 at 07:31 PM
Deuce,
Harden is great when healthy, really he may be the best pitcher in the NL. His numbers last year were hard to believe. But he is just not duarable enough to be in the discussion.
i guess it is all in how you define great but none match up to Smoltz, Glavine and especailly Maddux when it comes to performance and longevity
Posted by: cubz23 | January 28, 2009 at 07:32 PM