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Manny Ramirez Rumors: Tuesday
4:35pm: Brian Sabean was on MLB Home Plate's The Show with Rob Dibble and Jody MacDonald on XM 175 today. His comment on Manny:
"In our case I’m not sure yet. We’re monitoring the situation. We’ve had talks. We have not made an offer. We’ve talked in parameters of what would be yearwise. It would have to be a perfect fit dollarwise and more so what we’re doing to try and build this thing going forward on a younger basis. It’s actually not what we’re looking for, except that he’s such a profound middle of the order hitter. Which we need."
4:16pm: According to ESPN's Jayson Stark:
According to one source familiar with the Giants' thinking, just about every recent rumor connecting the Giants with Manny is "unfounded" or "baloney." "If a million things came together over the next few weeks, would it be possible? Maybe," the source told ESPN.com. "But for where [Boras] is right now and where the team is right now, it doesn't make sense economically and it doesn't make sense for how the team fits together."
Boras continues to set the floor at four years and $100MM, a stance which has caused the Dodgers to focus on other needs. Stark's sources also believe the Giants' interest in Joe Crede is exaggerated. The team cannot extend payroll to the $100MM range; they're already around $85MM.
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Wow.. Boras is still looking for 4/100?
Did he not see that Pat Burrell just got 2/16, and Giambi got 1/5 with an option?
Clearly, if you're a one dimensional player, regardless of how great a hitter you are, you're not going to be landing a massive deal anymore.
Obviously, the truly "special" hitters could land deals like this, and if Manny wasn't 36, I wouldn't really be opposed to that kind of deal.
I think that right now, if Boras can land Manny something like 3/69 with a fourth year option, then he ought to be pretty damn happy.
Posted by: scribbletone | January 06, 2009 at 04:20 PM
Manny is gonna have to retire if he thinks hes getting anywhere close to 25million a year
Posted by: chris | January 06, 2009 at 04:20 PM
If Rangers are interested in Lowry/Sanchez, the Giants need to look at Chris Davis. EXACTLY the kind of player they need.
Lots of combinations could work...
Sanchez / Schierholtz (RF)
Sanchez / Ishikawa (1B)
Sanchez / Alderson (SP)
I'm not sold Lowry will ever come back...
Posted by: 55saveslives | January 06, 2009 at 04:23 PM
Thing is, the Dodgers can't go below 2/45, because if they do, and Manny accepts, Manny will play unhappy and feel slighted.
Posted by: The Management | January 06, 2009 at 04:23 PM
Thank god.
Posted by: Doody | January 06, 2009 at 04:24 PM
Gas is down and so is Manny...
Posted by: O'Cey | January 06, 2009 at 04:26 PM
I think we all know this is more about Boras that the Giants interest in Manny. He is trying to play the Dodgers against the Giants but neither team is biting. Seems like thus far, both teams have a number in mind that is much lower than Boras' and they are prepared to walk if it doesn't work. At some point the Dodgers are going to have to make a move because they can't afford to lose Manny and Dunn or Abreu.
This article will change in the next couple days saying that the interest from the Giants is back.
Posted by: giants2010 | January 06, 2009 at 04:26 PM
Boras is just playing the same game he played with Tex. I believe that Manny will end up signing with the Yankees. They are just waiting to trade Nady or Swisher. The Red Sox are not talking to Boras. They would not sign Varitek or Lowe.
Posted by: terry180 | January 06, 2009 at 04:26 PM
55saveslives-
Wrong post, pal.
Also, I seriously doubt that the Dodgers would lower their 2/45 offer. If Manny comes back to LA, I'd guess that the minimum he would accept would be 2/45, with a third year option, possibly vesting.
Posted by: scribbletone | January 06, 2009 at 04:26 PM
People keep bringing up Chris Davis. I know they need pitching, but why would they trade a 2nd year guy with 30+ HR potential in 2009?
Would the Rangers trade him?
Posted by: giants2010 | January 06, 2009 at 04:28 PM
Manny would be very lucky to get 3/60 at this point.
Posted by: Agent | January 06, 2009 at 04:28 PM
THANK YOU!
Posted by: kdub | January 06, 2009 at 04:28 PM
Even as a Dodgers fan, Boras should take a long, hard look at what the market is right now. The corner outfield market is becoming established as well as the hitters market.
Aside from Tex's major $20+ million/year contract with the YANKEES (key point), the market is showing Manny isn't going to get more than even $20-22.5 million.
-Teixeira: $180 million/8 years with the Yankees
-Burrell: $16 million/2 years with the Rays
-Bradley: $30 million/3 years with the Cubs *reportedly
Giambi: $5 million/1 year with the A's *reportedly
Now, Manny is a great hitter, but he is one-dimensional in that way - like Burrell and Giambi. His defense is sub-par, and he isn't particularly quick. So, with the market for HITTERS established at around $5-8 million for guys who are good for .260BA, 25-35homers, 70-90RBI's, Manny should only get around $6-12 million more for his extra 40-60 BA points, same amount of homers, and 30-40 more RBI's.
Is Boras serious in asking for 4 years at $100 million? Because no one will pay that. Seriously, not the Dodgers, not the Yankees, not the Orioles, not the Nats, not the Angels, not the Tigers, not the Giants. NO ONE.
Posted by: MrBlake14 | January 06, 2009 at 04:29 PM
"Wrong post, pal."
My point is about the Giants...so this thead works
:P
Posted by: 55saveslives | January 06, 2009 at 04:31 PM
Looks like the Giants just wanted to cook up some fresh drama. They must be missing the Barry circus.
Posted by: Umair | January 06, 2009 at 04:34 PM
Boras is alot of things, but one of them is not dumb. He must know something we do not. His asking price for Tex was something like ~8-10/~200 and he got 8/180. Boras is asking for 4/100 for Manny and I bet he gets 3-4/~60-85M. I can see the Yanks trading away Swisher to he Braves to free up 31M over the 4 years and sign Manny to 80M over 4 years.
Posted by: bbxxj | January 06, 2009 at 04:36 PM
Like mentioned above, these reports will go back and forth for a while...if the Giants could move veteran outfield contracts, there could be a chance of this. For a team with no offense, it would help. Imagine moving some of those older OF contracts, signing Manny and trading for Fielder. With Fielder/Manny in the heart of the lineup with Lincecum/Cain at the top, they could win that division.
If the price drops to around 3/65 or so, Omar needs to beg the Wilpons to get involved. Please ownership! Take the extra step and put this team over the top! After the past couple seasons, and a new stadium, they could use it.
Posted by: MrMet | January 06, 2009 at 04:40 PM
I don't think the Dodgers would easily let either the Giants or Yankees swing in to sign him. Everyone speaking about scenarios where the Giants would acquire Manny or the Yankees would seem to disregard the Dodgers and their $45+ million to work with for contracts just for the 2009 season.
If either the Giants or Yankees make a strong move for Manny then expect the Dodgers to be right there making noise with them.
See, the reason the Dodgers are so likely to land Manny, as apposed to the Yankees or Giants is they:
1) Have the financially mobility to land Manny and not hamper their ability to address other needs (whereas with the Giants in signing Manny they would hurt their ability to address other needs)
2) Have room for Manny in the outfield (Yankees need to trade at least two players to make room for him).
3) And have a glaring need for a slugger (Yankees don't)
A lot would have to happen in order for the Giants or Yankees to land Manny, whereas the Dodgers only have contract and money to work out.
Posted by: MrBlake14 | January 06, 2009 at 04:50 PM
Any chance to get a link so I could listen to that Sabean interview?
Posted by: kdub | January 06, 2009 at 04:50 PM
this is just Boras trying to get a market for Manny going. If it's just the Dodgers, then the price goes down. If there are multiple teams, then the price goes up in a bidding war. Obviously, the Giants talked to Boras about Manny, but the WRONG rumors leaked about them making an offer probably came from Boras to get the bidding war started.
Posted by: nostocksjustbonds | January 06, 2009 at 05:23 PM
I think Sabean is smart enough to know by now that Boras is simply trying to use the Giants to leverage a better deal for Manny with the Dodgers.
Its a lot like what Kinzer did to Atlanta with Furcal.
Kinzer knew Raffy's first choice was LA but he needed to get a 3 yr/$30 mill offer from another team so that he could show the Dodgers that someone was actually willing to go there.
When Colleti saw that, he simply matched it.
Even if Sabean offers 3yrs/$63 mill, the Dodgers will simply go 3yrs/$67.5 mill.
Everyone knows Manny wants to stay in LA. Boras is just holding out for the biggest contract offer he can get for Manny.
Posted by: Die-Hard Dodger Fan | January 06, 2009 at 05:25 PM
Manny is good but he is not worth three times as much as Burrell or two and half times as much as Dunn...
That Ibanez deal looks foolish in retrospect.
Burrell was a better fit for the Phils at a much better price.
Posted by: MikeClarke | January 06, 2009 at 05:27 PM
Somethings not right if the Yankees are not after him. Kid from NYC, who just left their hated Red Sox, who now you can get at a cheaper price. This does not add up.
Posted by: Cyyoung | January 06, 2009 at 05:31 PM
Other than the Yankee Deals...
Most other contracts are below market deals.
Varitek, Cabrera, and Garland are three players who would have received much more for one year than they will get per year on the open market.
Burrell has already taken a big pay cut despite a solid year.
Abreu is going to take pay cut.
K-Rod got a tiny contract compared to what he wanted.
Fuentes was a good buy for the Angels.
Furcal and Blake settled for fair, but not great deals.
Ibanez was slightly overpaid...
Posted by: MikeClarke | January 06, 2009 at 05:51 PM
this is the best giants news all week, especially the part about Crede!
Posted by: Nuschler's News | January 06, 2009 at 05:53 PM
Don't forget the Giants seemed to have overpayed a bit to get their shortstop...but it was pretty early on. Wonder if they waited if he would have come for less
Posted by: Nuschler's News | January 06, 2009 at 06:00 PM
I still think Manny will get at least 3 yrs/$70 mil and possibly a 4th year option. If the Dodgers don't do it, the Giants, Yanks or Mets will.
Posted by: shhango | January 06, 2009 at 06:01 PM
Shhango,
If the Giants "will do it" the Dodgers definitely "will do it". Mind you the Dodgers are still the only team that has made an offer to Manny. That was 2 years at $45 million. That's a $22.5 million annual salary. The Giants are not even willing to enter contract discussions. Let alone I doubt the Giants who (as the article already states) won't push payroll beyond $100 million and are sitting at about $85 million currently, would offer more annually than what the Dodgers did, at more years.
The Mets upper management time and time again has stated clearly "No!" With how many times the Mets said they will not pursue Manny, I doubt they'd recant that and enter into discussions involving giving an aging outfielder nearly $24 million annually. Heck, the Angels are more likely to enter the fray than the Mets.
The Yankees are the only team that would seemingly be willing to offer anything more, annually, to Manny than what the Dodgers originally offered - $22.5million/year for 2 years.
So, as it stands no one is biting on Boras' game of trying to suck the Giants into discussions to drive Manny's price up. The only outside team that I can see being suckered in at this point would be the Nationals. But they already have a surplus of outfielders, and outfielders with attitudes at that (Millage, Dukes).
Posted by: MrBlake14 | January 06, 2009 at 06:42 PM
I know the upper management has said they will not enter the game for Manny repeatedly, but there is a small speck of hope I hold onto. It all makes too much sense for both sides, Manny back to his home and money could match up, and the Mets needing a power hitting righty LF, who is clutch to open Citi Field as the brightest in Met's history. With everything matching up and only one team really out there (Dodgers) willing to make an offer, maybe after the Lowe signing is finished up, Omar can work his magic. Maybe clear a small amount of salary and convince the Wilpons to put the past two years well behind them and bring em to the promise land! I am not saying its likely, but until he is officially off the table, then I will hold a glimmer of hope there is a chance it could happen. Man that would be a fun lineup to watch.
Posted by: MrMet | January 06, 2009 at 07:28 PM
Is the fact that NYY offered NOBODY arbitration and have already signed 3 Type A's somehow being smoked over here? How would NYY even have the regulatory ability to sign Manny?
Posted by: abcrazy4dodgers | January 06, 2009 at 07:47 PM
The Yankees can sign as many as 9 type A or B free agents, just like every other club can. That is where the line is this offseason
Posted by: Nuschler's News | January 06, 2009 at 08:25 PM
Mr. Blake14: Obviously you put more credence in team's public posturing than I do. If Manny is about to sign a two-year deal with the Dodgers you can bet one or two other teams will suddenly perk up and decide to get into that game. I still contend it will take about 3 yrs and up to $70 mil., minimum.
Posted by: shhango | January 06, 2009 at 10:03 PM
Anyway the Mets trading a prospect or 2 to Yanks 4 Nady.Or how about making a trade w/ Dodgers; Church,Evans and Parnell 4 Jones and Kemp.Then sign either Lowe or Perez.
Posted by: jvent | January 06, 2009 at 10:10 PM
prediction: in two and half weeks, giants sign manny for 3 years/ 21 per.
Posted by: Leland11 | January 07, 2009 at 12:01 AM
sign manny 3/75
get it done
make him happy, we have the money
Posted by: mike | January 07, 2009 at 12:41 AM
that last comment for the dodgers
Posted by: LADodgerfan99 | January 07, 2009 at 12:46 AM
Memo to Ned....
If you and Scotty like voicemail so much, leave him one more.
3 Yrs $65MM. Take it or leave it. Would seriously love to have Manny but this is getting ridiculous, don't keep getting played by Boras.
Memo to Manny--Play the A-Rod card and work your own deal.
Posted by: abcrazy4dodgers | January 07, 2009 at 12:32 PM