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that is absolutely hilarious. thank God for Rickey Henderson.
Posted by: 100backeduptrucks | January 15, 2009 at 09:39 AM
Rickey should take a 1 day contract simply to retire an Oakland A.
The BA farm system rankings are heavily dependent on perspective. The Rangers farm system is the best in terms of upside. And the Braves owe the AL West an apology for giving Texas Elvis Andrus and Neftali Feliz. However, they don't have any pieces who are ready to contribute really soon. Andrus, Feliz, Main, Holland, are all several years away and are high risk types.
Posted by: melonis rex | January 15, 2009 at 09:43 AM
Rickey is Golden, Not sure he would not outproduce Daniel Murphy or Fernando Tatis. And he would definitely take their money at cards!
Posted by: Chris | January 15, 2009 at 09:44 AM
Haha...ahh Rickey.
Posted by: Cinco Ocho | January 15, 2009 at 09:48 AM
Holland may conceivably be ready by the end of 2009 or at least 2010. He needs to work on the consistency of his slider but he misses bats, gets ground balls and doesn't walk people....which is a good formula for success.
Posted by: Jared78 | January 15, 2009 at 09:51 AM
melonis-i thought the whole michael young drama was that the rangers want andrus to start the season at short? not disagreeing with you, but is the feeling that andrus is being rushed along?
Posted by: 100backeduptrucks | January 15, 2009 at 09:55 AM
Melonis Rex - I disagree with your assessment of the Rangers' prospects being "several years away" from contributing. Maybe that's true for Kasey Kiker and Justin Smoak, but Andrus will step into the lineup at some point in 2009, and I'd be surprised if Feliz and Holland weren't competing for rotation spots in 2010.
Posted by: Rangerette | January 15, 2009 at 09:56 AM
Yeah you guys are right about Andrus. Probably not at the beginning of the season, but I could see a mid-season call up. Good to work out the Young issue before Andrus comes up though.
Holland and Feliz are wild cards though. I could see them in 2010, at the earliest.
Posted by: melonis rex | January 15, 2009 at 09:58 AM
The front office seems to think Andrus will be there on Opening Day, but I would prefer he get a little more seasoning in AAA, where Feliz and Holland will likely be spending most of the season. But they don't pay me to run the team.
Posted by: Rangerette | January 15, 2009 at 10:02 AM
I agree with the Andrus needs more AAA seasoning. No need to rush up prospects, especially when the Rangers won't be contending without some serious pitching help.
Posted by: melonis rex | January 15, 2009 at 10:03 AM
The Rangers have already identified 2010 as the year they expect to contend. So, I agree, there's no need to rush Andrus to be in the lineup on April 6, 2009. But, I guess we'll see how the Young situation shakes down and how Andrus does in Spring Training.
Posted by: Rangerette | January 15, 2009 at 10:07 AM
If you gave me the choice between picking up Andruw Jones after LA dumps him or picking up Rickey right now, I'd take Rickey. And it's not even close.
I still cringe when I think of his reaction to getting the SB record, and I never liked his ego when he played, but in the past couple of years I've really grown to appreciate that guy and what he brings to the world. He's a character.
Posted by: JDay | January 15, 2009 at 10:21 AM
more evidence that Dusty Baker was a horrible manager...
Posted by: nostocksjustbonds | January 15, 2009 at 10:24 AM
I don't think that Andrus will start the season as the Rangers starting shortstop, though they will definitely start phasing him in later in the season. I think that they are planning on starting the season with Andrus at AAA, Young at Third, and Arias at short.
Posted by: casey | January 15, 2009 at 10:40 AM
That is funny about Henderson, what he fails to remember is that Paige pitching at the age of 59 was nothing more than a publicity stunt pulled of by Charlie "O" Finley and also, Minnie Mineso getting AB's in both 1976 and 1980 at 50+ age by another circus owner Bill (wreck) Veck, the same Bill Veck that invented the moving outfield walls and since those 2 character owners are not around anymore (and thank goodness none like them) Henderson has about -0- chance of getting that call he is pining for.
Posted by: johns | January 15, 2009 at 10:57 AM
I'm glad we got Smoltz. If the Yankees got him, that would make an already amazing rotation even better.
Posted by: Umair | January 15, 2009 at 11:05 AM
Arias at short frightens me. Unless his shoulder has recovered significantly from last season, I don't know how he will make throws from that side of the infield.
Posted by: Rangerette | January 15, 2009 at 11:05 AM
I would think that with an offseason dedicated to recuperating and rebuilding strength, Arias should at the very least be considered a decent option, though no one will really know for sure until spring training. It's just how I'm guessing it will play out.
Posted by: casey | January 15, 2009 at 11:26 AM
Melonis is definitely right in that the Rangers' prospects are more about upside than probability.
Guys like Feliz, Holland, Martin Perez, Engel Beltre and Julio Borbon are all about huge upside, even though none of those players is likely to make it to the majors by the end of 2009.
The Rangers' farm system has the potential to turn them into a dynasty, but considering every prospect is a crapshoot almost, the risk is huge.
They're in an extremely enviable position though.
Posted by: scribbletone | January 15, 2009 at 11:35 AM
The rickey did not bring up the paige. The writer of the piece did.
The hall of fame speech is going to be the awesome.
Posted by: walkoffblast | January 15, 2009 at 12:07 PM
God, I love Ricky Henderson.
Posted by: squid92 | January 15, 2009 at 12:27 PM
""They're in an extremely enviable position though."
Really? They haven't been in contention for years. Outside of some high upside prospects, there is zero indication they will be contending anytime soon.
I guess if you really love prospects you can envy them..
Sure we can all dream about our farm systems coming to fruition but they're dreams for a reason.
Posted by: Kenan and Kel | January 15, 2009 at 12:26 PM"
Au contraire, Kenan and Kel. While it isn't a given that good farm systems turn into playoff-contending MLB teams, the trends that have developped are undeniable.
Per Jamey Newberg:
"All nine organizations ranked number one by BA this decade have made the playoffs in short order, with an average timetable of two seasons after the honors.
Checking in with the 70 organizations who have ranked somewhere in the top 10 from 2001 to 2007, 62 have made the playoffs since.
The farm systems of six of the eight 2008 playoff teams were in BA's top 10 at least once in the past three years.
Finally, in this decade, 17 organizations have landed in BA's top 10 rankings in consecutive years, as we will learn within the month that Texas will have done. Of those 17, 16 went on to make the playoffs -- 10 of them doing so within two years.
Top 10 rankings aren't the end game here. But the correlation, and the trends, are unmistakable."
The Rangers are definitely in an enviable position.
Posted by: skyharbor215 | January 15, 2009 at 12:35 PM
I am curious in the Rangers case as to how many are the product of being drafted from another team's organization and being acquired via trade (Tx, Laird etc..) and how many Ranger scouts actually looked for. Short term gains can be fairly easily done, when top players from a team are unloaded, like Tex and Laird for another teams top prospects and a farm system gets an immediate gain, but long term sustainability is another matter if there is no proprer infastructre in place as some other MLB teams have.
Posted by: johns | January 15, 2009 at 01:01 PM
Feliz, Andrus, Salty, Max Ramirez, and Moscoso were all traded for.
Smoak, Holland, Main, Borbon, Beltre, Teagarden, Perez were all drafted.
I'm just looking at top guys. SO yeah, the Rangers can draft. It's whether they foolishly trade away certain pitchers which could hurt them.
Posted by: melonis rex | January 15, 2009 at 02:57 PM
"My point being that the #1 title is subjective. To me it doesn't guarantee future success"
Well that is your opinion. You cannot really use your own opinions to support your own claim. It looks especially weak when the other party actually takes the time to justify their opinion with facts and such.
Posted by: walkoffblast | January 15, 2009 at 03:07 PM
Unless you're the Yankees, you need a strong farm system stoked at all levels to build a long term plan for success. Yes FA's are important and can give the team a shot in the arm, but usually the cornerstones of franchises are the homegrown talent. The Rangers are finally hopefully getting it in the pitching department, as well as elite hitters.
Posted by: maximilian | January 15, 2009 at 04:32 PM
@ johns: "Paige pitching at the age of 59 was nothing more than a publicity stunt pulled of by Charlie "O" Finley and also, Minnie Mineso getting AB's in both 1976 and 1980 at 50+ age by another circus owner Bill (wreck) Veck, the same Bill Veck that invented the moving outfield walls and since those 2 character owners are not around anymore (and thank goodness none like them)"
Pardon me, but many of us are huge fans of these 2 great & innovative men. Their contributions to the game are far greater than you probably know - pick up a book and read about their legacies before you snark off - In a time of conformity, they were unafraid to confront convention. One (Veeck) is a hall of famer himself.
See: http://espn.go.com/classic/veeckbill000816.html
or better yet, pick up "Veeck as in Wreck" and read about this great man who was "the last person to purchase a major league team without an independent fortune." A true workingman's & Chicago hero.
And finally some of his wisdom (sorry for the length but these quotes are worth it):
"The most beautiful thing in the world is a ballpark filled with people."
"To compare baseball with other team games is to say the Hope Diamond is a nice chunk of carbon. The endless variety of physical and mental skills demanded by baseball is both uncomparable and incomparable."
"I have discovered, in twenty years of moving around a ball park, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats."
"When the Supreme Court says baseball isn't run like a business, everybody jumps up and down with joy. When I say the same thing, everybody throws pointy objects at me."
"When there is no room for individualism in ballparks, then there will be no room for individualism in life."
"Baseball is almost the only orderly thing in a very unorderly world. If you get three strikes, even the best lawyer in the world can't get you off."
"My friends are the fans, not the owners. Dignity isn't my suit of clothes."
"I was in the game for love. After all, where else can an old-timer with one leg, who can't hear or see, live like a king while doing the only thing I wanted to do?"
"The Mets achieved total incompetence in a single year, while the Browns worked industriously for almost a decade to gain equal proficiency."
"It isn't the high price of stars that is expensive, it's the high price of mediocrity."
"We can't always guarantee the ball game is going to be good; but we can guarantee the fan will have fun."
"Sometimes the best trades are the ones you never make."
Posted by: oskeewowwow | January 16, 2009 at 04:16 AM
the marlins are ranked numero dos!!!!
Posted by: marlinsman1120 | January 16, 2009 at 03:35 PM