Peavy To Cubs Unlikely

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Marquis was due to make
9.875
DeRosa was due to make
5.5
Wood made last year
4.2

So They're freeing about 20m

Miles will make next year
2.2
Bradley
10
Vizcaino will make
3.5+(1.0 of Marquis)

And Gaining about 17m

They Freed a couple k..

But I believe they were going to do the trade before, and they didn't have money then either...

What a joke. You would think these reporters and internet sites would have learned something from the Winter Meetings. Hendry got pissed at Towers for feeding everything to the public about their negotiations for Peavy. And then after is was all said and done Towers came out and basically apologized for doing that and said NEXT TIME he would keep to himself.

So even if (not saying they are) Hendry and Towers are discussing Peavy again, do you really think either GM is going to be public about it again?!!?!?!? I don't think so.

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You should really go see a urologist if taking a leak takes that long!

Posted by: E K | January 01, 2009 at 09:59 AM

I concur. That sounds pretty serious!

:) HA wouldnt this be nice

Cubs Get Roberts and Peavy
Padres Get Vitters, Olson (from O's), Gaub, Archer, Flaherty
Orioles Get Pie, Fontenot, Guzman, Cedeno, Atkins

Yes we empty the system but we need to win

Ok, we know they wont trade for Peavy, we have known for months, why bother continue reporting it. Move on please !

uww1, here's another deal that is about as fair as that one.

Cubs get: The 25 best players in the league
Teams that give up those players get: Nothing

I think the Peavy talks will be revisited by the Padres and Cubs. The Cubs have made a lot of moves that signal to a Peavy deal. Plus the Padres want to deal Peavy and the Cubs seem to be the team the Padres want to negotiate with.

"So They're freeing about 20m"

Wrong Ben. You forgot to take into account all the bckloaded, escalting contracts, and arbitartion raises. Somone correct me if im wrong but Fukudome has a ridiculous raise of $5 mill this year. Add the raises going to Soriano, Zambrano, Lilly, etc, that $20mil your talking about is gone. The fact is that even without the Dempster signing, the cubs payroll was gonna spike this year regardless. Again, as Tim has mentioned, the cubs were maxed out. This deal freed up around $8 mil....which will be devoted to gettting the LH bat.

"Actually, I think it's a good sign that Towers is saying that there is no relation to the Cubs dealings and a potential trade for Peavy - after how open he was last time about the players involved, he's keeping his mouth shut this time!"

Come on, that really had no bearing on anything. I could see if the cubs were bidding against another team, but once the braves bowed out, it was all the cubs. Keeping his mouth shut or not about potential trade targets was not why the deal wasnt completed.

So the Cubs got rid of deRosa, their multitalented sparkplug for...nothing. Here's to the next hundred years!

I'm not buying any of this garbage. Something tells me that at some point, the Cubs will still make this happen. Everything I've read is that Peavy WANTS to be a Cub and once the pieces start falling into place... with a Marquis trade announced, a Bradley signing announced and Derosa gone, it just seems like something that will happen. Why would they trade Derosa if there was nothing else up their sleeves? I can see them making a push to get Peavy again and potentially dealing Harden mid-year to get another hitter IF Harden is having a good year and IF he remains healthy. There have still been too many journalists with conflicting opinions about the on and off trade talks about this. I wouldn't be surprised if Hendry didn't tell Towers to shut his mouth or they won't EVER come to an agreement. It's just sloppy to do what Towers was doing. Hendry was guilty of it too at times. Actually, I could see Jake DEMANDING to be dealt by the time Spring Training rolls around.

What do everyone think? If we could only get one of Peavy or Roberts, what would you prefer? What would help the team the most?

uww1---

The Cubs should go for Peavy if:

1. They sign Milton Bradley.
2. They don't have to toss the entire farm system!

The Cubs should go for Roberts if: ... Well let's be honest the Cubs shouldn't go for Roberts!

I don't see any chance that the Cubs will be going for Roberts... They just signed Aaron Miles to replace Brian Roberts.. Please Cubs don't trade Mike Fontenot!!!

Lilly and Harden will be leaving.

Lilly will pitch in 2010 I believe. Harden will be gone after 2009. Some one correct me if I am wrong.

Ya they could but it would be nice to have Peavy til 2014(?)

If I had to choose between Peavy vs. Roberts, I would take Roberts. He would be a better fit.

The Cubs didn't sign Miles to be the everyday 2b. He is going to be the Middle infield bench player. Because he can play so many positions he will get his at bats. But I think that Fontenot (as much as I hate to do it) is gone in a deal for Roberts.

But I agree with UWW that the cubs need to have time to negotiate an extension. It’s stupid to give up Fontenot for a 1 year rental. The Cubs have some pretty good middle infield talent way down on the farm. I imagine one of them will develop to a SS or 2B.

I think however if you deal for Roberts, you also try to get Olsen. You plug Marshall in as the #5. Then you have Olson in the Pen and available for spot starts.

Considering that Roberts is a FA next year, and Fontenot proving his worth, we can do both Olson/Roberts for Pie/Fontenot/Archer/Cedeno and another farm hand.

I would hate to trade Vitters and or Marshall for Peavy. Sure it would be nice, but if we lose one of our starters and with Peavy/Hardin who steps up then? I just don’t see it happening. (maybe that is just me saying I don’t want to give up the farm for Peavy)

Remember what Peavy is owed. Yes he is a legit ace but... Looking at what the Mets gave up for Santana (because of the money) I don’t see giving up the farm for Peavy plus contract.

2009 opening day age: 27
2009 salary: $11 million
2010 salary: $15 million
2011 salary: $16 million
2012 salary: $17 million

Granted its less per season than Big Z but still it’s a sizeable chunk of money.

But that is just my opnion. I think pitching on the Cubs is pretty decent. I would rather get a legit leadoff guy.

Bleacher Buddha
If that is enough to get Roberts which I think is close to fair. I would send Olson over along with Marshall, Vitters, Gaub, and one other young arm to the Padres for Peavy. Yes we lose some young players but look what we would get in return. We need to win now! I know its a stretch to ask for both Roberts and Peavy but it sure is fun to speculate and wish.

Bleacher,

Well if the cubs extend Harden there is no way they will end up with Peavy. I dont think it would be smart to extend a guy that makes 20 some starts a year and only makes it through 5 or 6 innings when he does start. Then again this is Jim Hendry, easily one of the most overrated GMs in baseball so you never know

chiefwahoo,

I agree 100%. I think the Cubs extend Hardin so they don't need Peavy. When Hardin is healthy he is awesome. He dosetn go deep in games, but I think with time he will get better command. But he will be a cheaper option than Peavy. Again if they extend him until 2013 I think they still have 3 decent front 3 starters. And Lilly until 2011?

I think peavy is just a pipe dream. Cubs have much more pressing needs than another top of the rotation guy.

Svengoolie,

Remember Roberts is a FA in 162 games. If they get his replacement in Fontenot along with Pie and Cedeno and a 20 year old pitcher, I think that is pretty good for a player who probably wont be back next year.

I would prefer to keep Fontenot if he could lead off. Fontenot in 479 big league at bats has a .290 BA - .369 OBP - .457 SLG - .826 OPS. not too shabby.

To be honest I would be content with the team as is. I would rather have kept D-Ro but.. what is is... we can always make a move for a player at the deadline.

Corey Kelch--

Yeah Bradley is locked up but I don't really think they would lock up a Peavy trade during the rest of the offseason.

What most fans and Cubs fans seem to forget is that the trade of the Peavy would've happened with the involvement of the Phillies. Lets not forget that they would've sent DeRosa to Philadelphia in exchange for 2 or 3 players which among them were Kyle Kendrick, J.A Happ and a prospect called Carrasco (which I think he is a SS) that were going to be shipped to the Pads also. Add two of to a Cub package consisting of Pie, Vitters, Kevin Hart, Marshall and another prospect and thats how a Peavy trade was gonna get done.

Thats why I still think a Peavy trade is highly unlikely as the Cubs don't have enough pitching to send to San Diego.

Boy is this an endless topic lol.

Opps it should read from the Phillies for DeRosa...

Are Cedeno, Pie, and Hill all out of options?

If so, there *must* be something else in the works.

Yes Pie, Hill and Cedeno are out of options. I would say that Cedeno and Pie will be traded. For Hill anyone want him? I believe he doesnt have any trade value. Man what happened to this guy? He went from #2-#3 starter to nothing.

The Cubbies aren't getting Roberts. Especially if Fontenot is involved. Lil' babe ruth isn't going anywhere, he's the new staring 2B for the Cubs. We don't need Roberts, nor did we last year; at least not for Pie, Cedeno, Marshall and a prospect or 2. Roberts is slightly above average, we can get slightly above average out of Fontenot. Besides, he's left handed AND he's got the #17.

Milehigh, again, suck it. Keep Brian Roberts. I hope he signs with the Yankees for 4 years/40 mil after next year. And I HATE the Yanks with a passion.

By the way, this is as good a place as any to rant about the DeRosa trade. I know about the economics, but who the hell is going to play 3B for the 30 games that Ramirez is unavailabe?

Yes, that's correct. Options are a function of a player's service time. Here is Major League Rule 11(c):

Rule 11 – Optional Assignments
Table of Contents
(a) Definition
(b) Limitations on Recall
(c) Limitations on Optional Assignments
(d) Number
(e) Closed Period
(f) Salary Arrears
(g) Salary on Option or Recall
(h) Salary Between Season Openings
(i) Player Loans
(j) Reacquiring Player

(c) Limitations on Optional Assignments

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

A player may not be optioned in more than three seasons. However, if a player is optioned for less than 20 days in one season, the player shall not be charged with an option in connection with this limitation. Exception: A player is eligible for a fourth option season if he has been optioned in three seasons but has not yet amassed five “full” seasons of professional baseball experience. For the purpose of this exception, a “full” season is accomplished when the player is on any pro roster for at least 90 days in any given season. Time spent on inactive lists does not count toward the 90 day limit.
No optional agreements are permitted between MLB clubs.
If an optioned player has played 3 months at a certain minor league level, and then that player is optioned to a lower level, he must be paid at the rate of the higher level.

Hope that helps. You could also search for and check out pages 63-82 of the current Collective Bargaining Agreement. It covers much the same and related topics as well.

I agree that there is very little way of knowing for sure what direction the Cubs will take if/when Milton Bradley is signed and the Marquis/Vizcaino deal is completed. Hendry himself stated that at that point an evaluation/re-evaluation will be made. However, I do not believe the pitchers gotten in return for DeRosa will be included in a trade for Peavy. Towers was rather open about who was wanted. And none of those pitchers was mentioned. Nor does that organization seem to want Pie. So I believe the Cubs keep those arms as backup for what will be given up in a Peavy trade, if one is to be made. Reasons for the trade and why the Cubs have surfaced as suitors:

1. SD wants to slash payroll
2. SD also publicly announced their desire to get rid of Peavy(which can't sit well him, and you can't just take that back...see Manny last year)
3. Peavy expresses desire to play elsewhere, preference for NL, and willingness to waive NTC for deal to Cubs

The Padres have expressed interest/been linked to the following players: Vitters (as long as his hand/wrist is healthy), Marshall, Hart, Cedeno, Guzman, and Wuertz at various points. Also, Olson of the O's. (And incidently, J.A. Happ and Chris Coste of the Phil's--I mention this only to demonstrate the type of player or position the Pads may be coveting. Pure speculation on my part here: maybe a catching prospect in the deal as well?) This much is clear. Hendry wants to sign that left handed OF bat and move Marquis before even considering re-opening talks about Peavy. So, if the Cubs are closer to signing Bradley and moving Marquis, I believe they are closer to trying to deal for Peavy. It very much sounds like ownership may need to be settled before broaching that topic as well. The tell-tale sign though, will be the fate of Pie. If indeed the O's are willing to make some sort of deal involving Pie and Olson, that will be a true indicator of the Cub's intention to deal for Peavy. For me, without a longer view toward that much bigger picture, it's hard to see why Hendry would have dealt such an integral/versatile and affordable (even under-paid) part of their success the last two seasons.

Of interest, also, is the Cubs' forty man roster, which stood at 36 at the time of the Rule 5 draft. At, the time I thought it was curious that there was roster space open to protect Donald Veal and the Cubs did not utilize it. Now that it stands at 39 with the addition of players via trade/FA (leaving a spot seemingly for Bradley), that move also makes a little more sense. I will now be keeping an eye on SD's 40 man, which now stands at 37, meaning minus Peavy there is room for four additional players (those without options for example). (Then again, that might only mean there are no other playes that need protection in the organization and/or roster spots for FA signings later in the off-season).Towers has also made it known that he prefers to fill the void at SS via trade rather than FA, presumably with someone who won't soon (or ever for that matter) command much $. Louis Gonzalez is the sole SS on SD depth chart for now.

If I'm Hendry, knowing that Pie and Cedeno are out of options, and trade them for Olson and low level prospect regardless of whether Hendry actually trades for Peavy or not. With the aquisition of Gathright, Pie is a lame duck. If McFail will do that deal, there is no reason not to for Hendry...He has absolutely no use for either Pie or Cedeno at this point.

I believe that played a big (unmentioned) part in the signing of Miles. I also see Cedeno in SD more than Balt.

I really hope the Roberts deal goes down for the Sox. This just may make Olson that much more available!