Braves Rumors: Glavine, Outfielders

If the "Great" Tom Glavine wanted to retire a Brave, he should take a pay cut for 09, especially because of what he earned and delivered and 08. I hope the Braves turn their back on him.

Sincerely,
A bitter Met fan

How about Josh Willingham or Austin Kearns for the outfield? Kearns hasn't shown much with the bat the last 2 years, but he's a plus defender.

Willingham has power, but is a defensive liability.

Both could come fairly inexpensively (in prospects) and Washington would likely be willing to eat part of Kearns salary to make room in their outfield for Adam Dunn.

Go get Garrett Anderson. It would do good to have him back with Casey Kotchman.

(I was referring to Edmonds)

People the writing is on the wall..

The Yank's have the extra fielder and extra bullpen arm perfectly suited for the Braves. This is what they need and want. No? I mean at this point can it be any clearer.

Or I suppose you could sign one of the other players no one else wants and roll the dice...I mean you team is strong enough to be in that position.

I'm kind of getting tired of the lack of production from the Braves rumors on this. Frankly, all I care about is seeing the Yank's improve and it can be done with a named outfield prospect...

Edmonds looks like a solid option. I'd rather let Morton, Campillo, or Reyes keep the 5th spot warm for Hanson than spend $3 million for another lackluster year of Glavine.

A G. Anderon/ Diaz platoon in left wouldn't be too bad if it meant keeping all of our specs. Anderson has a horrible walk rate but he makes contact, has moderate power, and for an old guy he plays good defense and is pretty durable.

If you look at Anderson/Diaz 's 3yr L/R splits you could extrapolate a platoon line of .306/.342/.480/.822 and ~17HR. Those are not cleanup numbers but its a solid contact hitter line that you want in the 5-6 spot to drive in 80-90RBIs a year. At this point, how bad could that be?

can Tom Glavine play RF too, maybe a little first as a back up? He could be your PH in the bottom of the 9th, down 2 runs with men on 2nd and 3rd.

Just a thought...

People the writing is on the wall..

The Yank's have the extra fielder and extra bullpen arm perfectly suited for the Braves. This is what they need and want. No? I mean at this point can it be any clearer.

Or I suppose you could sign one of the other players no one else wants and roll the dice...I mean you team is strong enough to be in that position.

I'm kind of getting tired of the lack of production from the Braves rumors on this. Frankly, all I care about is seeing the Yank's improve and it can be done with a named outfield prospect...

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and what would that named prospect be..... I really hope you are not thinking it will be the #3 prospect in baseball

alittlebitofreason: "I'm kind of getting tired of the lack of production from the Braves rumors on this. Frankly, all I care about is seeing the Yank's improve and it can be done with a named outfield prospect..."

are you the same person who was arguing that the braves should trade heyward for swisher?? a named outfield prospect, sure. just not schafer,heyward or gorky. no hansen or freeman either. julio teheran is off limits. cole rohrbough, nope sorry. there are not a whole lot of prospects we have that i would be willing to trade to get a .219 hitter, sorry

Griffey is about to sign with the M's, Anderson is a productive hitter but frankly should be a DH/PH for an AL team, and Edmonds and Luis Gonzalez would be good as a 4th OF's. The Braves seriously should consider trading for Nady or Swisher both have are young, have pop, and versatile defensively, while being moderately priced. Plus I have a feeling the Yanks are trying to clear a spot for Manny so this might all happen relatively soon.

Anderson is the best of these castoffs. Don't the Yankees have a surplus of OF's who they want to get rid of? Trouble is they have no value, but the Yankees will want something for them. Braves made the mistake was getting 3 pitchers thus eliminating the cash for a premium bat.

I dont see where we need another bullpen arm!

Carlyle, Bennett, Acosta, Boyer, Moylan, Soriano, Gonzalez, Vlad Richard was decent, and we have Ridgway Logan and O'flaherty. And lets be honest people LOOGY relievers get one batter out. Its not like if you dont have a Will Ohman Demarse Marte dominant guy. Just a guy who can get one batter out.

We should have stuck with Vazquez and Lowe and skipped on Kawakami. Then, we could have signed Dunn or Abreu followed by Glavine to fill out the rotation.

Any chance the Braves would be interested in Luke Scott? He's cheap, productive and under contract for a couple more seasons. Also, the crowd at Camden Yards (what's left of us anyway), rather enjoyed chanting "Luuuuuuuuke!" whenever he came to bat or made a play in the field. ;)

Couldn't agree more on Kawakami tomohawk. His best case scenario is an ERA of around 4 innings eater. We could have got that with Garland or Looper for only one guaranteed year, less dollar value for that year, and known what to expect from that spot in the rotation.

If they hadn't signed him they could have got Abreu/Dunn plus Glavine and still had money left for Ohman.

Luke Scott wouldnt be bad I just saw that post. He hit 23 HR's last year. What would we have to give up and how much does he make is the question?

LUKE SCOTT- .257823/65/.336/.472 makes 430K!!! I'd jump on a deal for him easy.

With Abreu and Dunn off the market I say save the money for a mid season trade. Lets just roll with a Diaz/Brandon Jones platoon. Platoons are not a bad thing if the guys produce. Diaz needs to get back to what he was in 2006-2007 and Brandon jones needs to prove he can be productive in the bigs, but Id take those two over spending money on Edmonds, Anderson, Griffey or Gonzalez...all day!! Then when teams start to fall out of the race we can jump in and trade for a power hitting OF this summer if we need one.

Matt Diaz hit .319 against lefties (.159 vs righties) and Scott hit .269 vs righties (.215 vs lefties). That would be a nice platoon. Switch 'em off for lefties vs righties.

I dont see what the Braves would accomplish getting Kearns or Pena other than a cheaper less effective version of Swisher. I am starting to fall into the category of a Diaz/Jones or Blanco platoon. If Blanco proves he can hit .280 and steal 20 bases and have the on base he had last year he is fine with me, plus B.Jones cant play center and Blanco can.

Kotchman is Gold glove caliber at first, and his bat is mediocre, so in my opinion if he is gonna be on the field I want to get the most I can out of his glove.

Kearns makes no sense, Diaz hits as well as he does and Kearns costs a ton more. Pena has incredible upside he just never seems to perform up to it. I feel if the braves are going to get a RH bat, that bat has to be good enough to plant Diaz firmly on the bench, or has to be able to play some centerfield. Willingham is the only bat we've talked about that is close to that.

N. Johnson is a player you can't count on. The guy always get injure, he is too fragile.

Marte's contract is bad. 3/12 when guys like Beimel, Ohman, Reyes, Cruz, etc. are all going to sign 1 year deals for much less than 4 million per. To the Yankees it may not matter but to the all other teams it does.

I hope you quit posting on Braves threads alittlebitofreason. All you talk about is Schafer and "Heywood". Also you didn't know who Matt Weiters was in a previous thread. Instead of posting on here, you should go learn something about baseballs best prospects so you don't sound stupid. You seem to have some strange obsession with the Braves and how you think the Yankees have them in a corner. Yes we are interested in Swisher but we aren't going to trade our top prospects for him. There are other options available, and there's no reason to give up good talent for a contract that is borderline bad. I mean maybe we could give up Gorkys, but that seems like a lot. Not that I would expect you to know who that is.

garriscp, why are you talking about Mart's contract when it has nothing to do with this topic.

DominicanYanks, you missed our wonderful conversation with alittlebitofreason, whose name now that I think of it is kinda funny.

That's a pretty funny one.

"but I applaud your effort to dump your crap contract"

You can't mean to tell me you just suggested Marte and his contract are crap.

Alright I'm done here. Can someone pass the Braves fans and the organization a broom to sweep the dirt over the hole they have dug.

I'm just amazed, more so from pure entertainment, how un-workable, un motivated and illogical this has become for you guys.

Good luck. Going to post of some other articles where the conversation may have potential.

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We are not being the ones that are being illogical. Maybe you should get an idea of what you are talking about. Not even in the Peavy trade did they try to say we should trade Heyward and now you think it would be reasonable to trade him for a guy coming off a .219 season and one of the worst contracts given out this offseason. I would at least give you some consideration if you said Gorky or maybe Schafer but to shoot for possibly the best hitting prospect in the minors is nuts and i will bet you my next paycheck the Yankees GM didn't even think to ask about him when they talked

I am also leaning towards just using a Brandon Jones/Diaz platoon in LF for next season. It's also possible that Jordan Schafer gets hot in Spring Training and wins one of the outfield spots. None of those free agents sound too appealing and there is no sense in overpaying for some other team's castoffs.

"I am also leaning towards just using a Brandon Jones/Diaz platoon in LF for next season. It's also possible that Jordan Schafer gets hot in Spring Training and wins one of the outfield spots. None of those free agents sound too appealing and there is no sense in overpaying for some other team's castoffs."

I've got Jordan Schafer penciled in for the Center Field spot. I think Josh Anderson plays the first month in center then the Braves bring up Schafer (delays his free agency 1 year even if he gets 4 arbitration years) for Center Field/leadoff. His defense would be wasted at Left. I think the lineup probably looks like this on June 15th (if we get Edmonds, which seems to be the most reasonable option at this point even though Ryan Ludwick is, and has always been, the best option):

vs. RHP

1. Schafer
2. Escobar
3. Chipper
4. McCann
5. Edmonds
6. Francoeur
7. KJ
8. Kotchman

vs. LHP

1. Escobar
2. Schafer
3. Chipper
4. Francoeur
5. McCann
6. Diaz
7. KJ
8. Kotchman

One of Prado/Infante probably needs to get moved because we'll need a defensive-minded 4th outfielder on the bench i.e. Josh Anderson. The one that doesn't get moved will fill in vs. LHP to give infielders regular rest. Ross also will play a good amount vs. LHP. Norton stays on the bench for that big-time pinch-hitting situation.

DominicanYanks,

alittlebitofreason seems to think the Braves should take Marte off your hands.

That's not employing even a little bit of reason, since by all reports Ohman was looking for 2/$8 million (and the Braves wouldn't go that high). Why would they pick up Marte's contract, which is one year longer, AND give up talent to the Yanks in return?

Makes no sense at all.

OK. I'm going to give my thoughts on alittlebitofreason's war with everyone else. I remember yesterday when we were discussing a Rafael Soriano (bad contract and 1 year), Gorkys Hernandez, Charlie Morton, and Jo Jo Reyes for Marte and Swisher. I think this trade makes sense. The Braves move 6.1 million in Soriano's contract and get back a much more reasonably priced contract in Marte at 3.75 million, plus he's under team control for 3 years plus a club option for a 4th. Then Gorkys, Reyes, and Morton for Swisher. The 3.35 we save in the move covers all but 2 million of Swisher's contract then we have enough to give Glavine the contract he wants.

It wouldn't make sense to acquire Marte, but moving Soriano in favor of Marte does make sense because you get a more reliable set-up man for a cheaper price and under team control for longer.

AtlantaBred,

Thats just about the first thing I've disagreed with you about. Yes dumping Soriano's salary for this year is an interesting idea, but dropping 6.1M this year to take on 12M for the next 3 isn't a huge help. Plus it would bring in Swisher which would further hamper us for the 2010 and 2011 seasons payroll. And the biggest objection I have is that you want to give up Morton, Reyes, and Gorkys to go along with Soriano for Marte and Swisher. Gorkys alone is plenty for this. I think Morton plus 1 would be enough for Swisher.

I'd trade him for Swisher if thats what your asking.

He has talent, but is probably in a make or break year for him. He's on the brink between being an everyday player or a utility guy. Either way he has positive value at the major league level. If he doesn't perform this year he could be a utility guy next year, but would probably require 2 years to be serviceable as a starting shortstop. If I'm correct I think its more of a glove problem.(Although he does strikeout way too much)His glove right now just won't play everyday at shortstop.

Also has trouble making contact. But huge power upside at his position.

Ankiel for Prado, Reyes/Morton, and 2 low level prospects.

I'm not sure I like that from the braves side, and I can already tell you Cards fans are gonna hate it. Boyer might be interesting, he has the stuff to close until Perez is ready.

I'd definately give Soriano and Prado with a low level prospect. Don't know if the Cards could take on the extra 3mil though.

SIGN EDMONDS AND GLAVINE! we could use em both.

Ankiel for Prado, Reyes/Morton, and 2 low level prospects.

Posted by: OklahomaBrave | February 12, 2009 at 02:53 PM

That is WAY too much to give up for a one year rental player.

YanksFanSince78 it sounds like Nady for Hicks, Blanco, and Prado. As Duncan is nothing but a non-roster invite who will be playing in AAA in a couple months. Nady is a one year rental so Hicks and Blanco is all I'd be willing to move. Might get somewhere if you took Infante instead of Prado, he would provide enough relief for us to still sign Glavine and maybe Edmonds, and would make up for Betemit who you traded for Swisher. Actually Infante and Morton/Reyes sounds promising for Nady.

1 prospect in Single-A is not enough for 3 years of an outfielder. Braves fans in general over-value prospects. Proven players are always worth more than prospects.

Jr looks headed to Seattle, so how about 1/3 for Anderson and Glavine then send Infante/Prado,Redmond/Acosta, and Reyes for Swisher

AtlantaBred,

3 years of an overpaid OFer isn't worth that much, but I still suggested Blanco to go with Hicks.

The Swisher for Soriano has legit promise, if we don't get Marte back and can then go sign Ohman as a solid set up man. Ohman could probably be had at 2yr 6M at this point. So the trade would only cost 2.2 Million next year. So we'd still have roughly 3-4M available for Glavine and maybe another cheap reliever.

What do Yanks fans think of Soriano and Marek for Swisher. Costs you another 800K this year but saves the remaining 16.75M on his contract. Gives you a good setup man for this year, and a solid bullpen prospect.

So we'd still have roughly 3-4M available for Glavine and maybe another cheap reliever.

Or Chipper's extension

3/30.

cluld= could

you can keep Marek i should have asked for Soriano, Rohrbough, and Kimbrell but i wanted to see if people would go for it. You guys should be old sports and throw in Andy Shibilo the home town kid. As for yankee fans out there i would not want gorky hernandez - we don't need him. Where is he going to play and when.

Seriously Baseball33 I figured you'd rather have Marek than Kimbrell. Marek could help next year and has drawn comparisons to Joey Devine. Kimbrell has great stuff, but is a long way from being able to help a big league team. And while there is a lot of talent in the yanks pen there isn't a lot of guys that have proven their durability. Next to Rivera the most appearances was Veras who through 57 innings. Just thought it might make sense for the Yanks to get someone who could help now out there.

Soriano and Rohrbough makes sense, but only because Soriano has negative value right now. You won't get both though.

And as for the people that think swisher is over paid, have fun winning the national league east with francoeur, anderson, blanco, and diaz in your outfield.

To be honest, I don't know much about Marek but his numbers don't look bad. Personally I think the Yankee pen is going to surprise allot of people this year. I also think that the yankee farm system has better arms in it to help throughout the season than people give them credit for.