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MLB.com's Jordan Bastian writes that Matt Clement has told the Blue Jays he is retiring.
Clement was good for the Cubs from 2002-2004, and an All-Star with the Red Sox in 2005, but his career was derailed by injuries from 2006 on. He finishes his career with an 87-86 record and a 4.47 ERA. Best of luck in life after baseball, Matt.
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Didn't see that coming but I'm not surprised. Too bad.
Posted by: jlowrance | April 05, 2009 at 05:24 PM
i hope matt joins up with MLBN or ESPN, or join the Cubs pre/post gameshows.
Posted by: ChiTownCubbies | April 05, 2009 at 05:32 PM
Well, he'll always have memories of 2002-2004, when he was absolutely FILTHY for the Cubbies, and hundreds and hundreds of fans would walk into Wrigley with the fake goatees stuck on their chins. Good times...
Posted by: jrfukudome | April 05, 2009 at 05:46 PM
Poor guy was never the same after he got hit in the head with that line drive.
Posted by: Paul | April 05, 2009 at 05:58 PM
"Well, he'll always have memories of 2002-2004, when he was absolutely FILTHY for the Cubbies, and hundreds and hundreds of fans would walk into Wrigley with the fake goatees stuck on their chins. Good times..."
LOL..
He was FILTHY?
When?
he had a 3.60 era in 02 and it was over 4 in 03 adn it sucked again in 04... he was never good when he was with the cubs..sorry...
he was decent in the first half of 05 and thats it..
dont get me wrong, i feel bad for him but he was never "absolutely FILTHY" during any given time in his career
Posted by: GoSoX | April 05, 2009 at 06:07 PM
"Poor guy was never the same after he got hit in the head with that line drive."
Yeah, Clement spent 7 years as a mediocre pitcher in the NL, then Tek and Farrell finally get him straightened out for a half season and Crawford he gets hit in the head with a line drive. Am sure it was horrible for the Rays Crawford also, but man, he was finally looking good. His slider had a good bite and he was throwing strikes for a half season.
Posted by: johns | April 05, 2009 at 06:14 PM
"then Tek and Farrell finally get him straightened out for a half season"
Dave Wallace was the pitching coach in 2005, Farrell started in 2007.
Posted by: start_wearing_purple | April 05, 2009 at 06:21 PM
Sucks that he never really got to be the great pitcher he had the potential to be. Still, not a bad career and best of luck to him.
Posted by: Umair | April 05, 2009 at 06:35 PM
I'm sure the $41,000,000 he's made this decade will take some of the sting out of retirement.
Posted by: Otis26 | April 05, 2009 at 06:45 PM
As a former pitcher, Matt Clement's retirement saddens me somewhat. That line drive must have really screwed him up. When I was 11, I remember having an adjustment period after being hit in the knee by comeback line drives twice in one game! And then I got hit by another one the very next season. No matter what age you are, things like that can tweak your ability to focus. Who knows?
Around 2002-2004, Matt Clement was beginning to throw more strikeouts around than innings pitched. Which is a sign of a dominant #1 starter. His inflated ERA at times was due to the occasional bad outing. Even ERA can be a deceptive statistic.
But don't you just love how people come on here and act like they know everything (shallow nerds), even when real fans are expressing their gratitude towards a good player upon his retirement? I'm not even a Padres, Cubs, Red Sox, or Rays fan, but I'll stick up for fans of Matt Clement, and Clement himself because I would have loved for him to pitch for the Angels.
And I think a fan base like Clement's (fake goatees at Wrigley) is sometimes just as important, if not more important sometimes than the numbers.
Good luck, Matt.
Posted by: XxRyana.k.a.RufusxX | April 05, 2009 at 07:02 PM
"I'm sure the $41,000,000 he's made this decade will take some of the sting out of retirement."
Financially, I'm sure it will. But not in his heart.
Posted by: XxRyana.k.a.RufusxX | April 05, 2009 at 07:05 PM
"He was FILTHY?
When?
he had a 3.60 era in 02 and it was over 4 in 03 adn it sucked again in 04... he was never good when he was with the cubs..sorry..."
Actually, he was.
He posted a 3.34 FIP in 2002, behind a 9.44 K/9 and 3.73 BB/9, while giving up just 0.79 HR/9 and a .219 BAA. He forced guys to hit into groundballs 49% of the time and they only managed to hit line drives off him about 19% of the time. For one season, in 2002, Matt Clement was absolutely filthy. He was never as good again, he continued to be solid for a few years afterwards, but yeah, at one point Clement was pretty damn good.
Posted by: scribbletone | April 05, 2009 at 07:38 PM
Gonna miss him, he was GREAT with the Cubs.
/old pitchers don't die, they just fade away...
Posted by: CubsLuck | April 05, 2009 at 07:49 PM
What a shame, he lives in my hometown. Good luck Matt.
Posted by: Tom THE man | April 05, 2009 at 08:58 PM
And he almost pulled off the no-no against the Cards in '04...
Posted by: jrfukudome | April 05, 2009 at 09:22 PM
Is it just me or does anyone else not see it on that Twitter link?
Posted by: jza1218 | April 05, 2009 at 09:27 PM
That's very strange Jza... It's not there anymore.
Bastian had an update about the Jays' opening day payroll and Clement's retirement.
I'll dig around and look for a bit more on it. Maybe Bastian received some bad info, but then you'd think he would have an update correcting it...
I'll look around. Thanks for the heads up.
Posted by: Steve Adams | April 05, 2009 at 09:46 PM
Bastian wrote up a full article about it. I'll replace the link.
Thanks Jza!
Posted by: Steve Adams | April 05, 2009 at 09:51 PM
Actually, he was.
He posted a 3.34 FIP in 2002, behind a 9.44 K/9 and 3.73 BB/9, while giving up just 0.79 HR/9 and a .219 BAA. He forced guys to hit into groundballs "49% of the time and they only managed to hit line drives off him about 19% of the time. For one season, in 2002, Matt Clement was absolutely filthy. He was never as good again, he continued to be solid for a few years afterwards, but yeah, at one point Clement was pretty damn good."
Good numbers...
Too bad 12-11 3.60 era isnt Filthy..
darn
Posted by: GoSoX | April 05, 2009 at 10:24 PM
GoSox, what's your opinion of Matt Cain?
Posted by: jrfukudome | April 05, 2009 at 10:32 PM
"Good numbers...
Too bad 12-11 3.60 era isnt Filthy..
darn"
So you chose to judge a pitcher based on W-L and ERA, instead of the FIP, K/9, BB/9, HR/9, BAA, GB% and LD% that scribbletone provided. Yeah that makes sense.
Btw, I'm not saying whether or not Clement was a "filthy" pitcher, although I do remember his good years with the Cubs, I wonder how he'd be doing if he lived up to his potential.
Posted by: Yanksallday | April 05, 2009 at 10:42 PM
"GoSox, what's your opinion of Matt Cain?
Posted by: jrfukudome | April 05, 2009 at 10:32 PM"
NICE, that is a good comparison. Matt Clement had down right electricity coming out of his arm.
You can't base pitching from ERA, W and L.
Bartolo Colon had no business winning a Cy Young over Santana, he won based on Wins.
Posted by: 661dodgerblue | April 05, 2009 at 11:16 PM
"Bartolo Colon had no business winning a Cy Young over Santana, he won based on Wins."
You know what makes it even more sad? Colon won 20 games that year and the Angels were 22-11 the games where he started... Johan only had 15 wins, but the Twins were something like 26-7 in games Johan started.
Posted by: start_wearing_purple | April 05, 2009 at 11:50 PM
I'm not trying to shizz on the whole Matt Clement parade going on, but in your honest opinion, do you think he might have taken PEDs? Its not nice to point fingers, but if everyone was doing it and he was overpowering at one time, it can make you wonder. The best of luck to Matt and his overpowering goatee.
Posted by: RoyOswaltSteroidFree | April 06, 2009 at 01:26 AM
'GoSox, what's your opinion of Matt Cain?"
Well one, after sleeping on this tonight, I have to admit I might be a bit bitter about the fact that Clement never recovered and became the "superstar" he was supposed to be while with the sox.
Two, I guess your right. ERA is a pretty silly stat..should we just get rid of it? At least we'll make Dontrelle feel a bit better about himself and then Johan and his silly like ERA thats always Under 3 can go suck it else where.
And three, I would say that your right about Matt Cain being comparable but he is still young and can prove himself as a better player. However, in 2003, the cubs won their division and had a decent season, so thats less of an excuse for clement to suck. Matt cain however is dealing with the Giants who have sucked, so W/L are less meaningful while I will still continue to jusdge a pitcher off of ERA because it does matter. I can strike out every batter in a game until the last inning, walk 3, give up a couple doubles and lose the game. I might have been FILTHY, for 8 innings but oh,guess what, I lost the game, and at the end of the day my ERA goes up, and thats that
Posted by: GoSoX | April 06, 2009 at 06:18 AM
FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT
Posted by: Boh | April 06, 2009 at 07:31 AM
Let us not forget where Matt "filthy" Clement got his MLB start. Where else than "Filthy pitching capital of baseball" THE Floria Marlins. 1997, 2003, 2009. It's about that year.
Posted by: Marlins Dynasty | April 06, 2009 at 09:36 AM
"he had a 3.60 era in 02 and it was over 4 in 03 adn it sucked again in 04... he was never good when he was with the cubs..sorry..."
Seriously? Look at his stats from 2002... and those are from playing in Wrigley... not exactly a pitchers park. 9.4 K/9, 1.20 WHIP and over 200 inning pitched. If you want to go with ERA, it wasnt even bad.
2003 wasnt bad either. An ERA just over 4 isnt sucking hahahaha. He still had a 7.6 K/9 and a 1.23 WHIP.
Then you say he sucked again in 2004? His ERA was 3.68? How is that sucking? He returned to 2002 for which was VERY good. Back to a 9.4 K/9 again.
It makes no sense to say Matt Clement "sucked" at any point during his time with the Cubs.
Posted by: SDSUBaseball | April 06, 2009 at 10:39 AM
I could have sworn Clement got his start with the Padres, not the Marlins.
Posted by: SDSUBaseball | April 06, 2009 at 10:41 AM
"He was FILTHY?
When?
he had a 3.60 era in 02 and it was over 4 in 03 adn it sucked again in 04... he was never good when he was with the cubs..sorry..."
Actually, he was.
He posted a 3.34 FIP in 2002, behind a 9.44 K/9 and 3.73 BB/9, while giving up just 0.79 HR/9 and a .219 BAA. He forced guys to hit into groundballs 49% of the time and they only managed to hit line drives off him about 19% of the time. For one season, in 2002, Matt Clement was absolutely filthy. He was never as good again, he continued to be solid for a few years afterwards, but yeah, at one point Clement was pretty damn good."
Good job Scribble. Beat me to it.
"Good numbers...
Too bad 12-11 3.60 era isnt Filthy..
darn"
Too bad you are using the wrong statistics to judge a guys filthiness. Clement was pretty dominant as a Cub during those 3 years. Seriously, get over ERA. It can be wildly deceiving. Here is an example. Tim Redding, to the casual observer looked like a good pitcher in 2007, and a horrible one in 2008, going by era. If you look closely though, you will see Redding actually was the same pitcher in both years, with tons of luck in 2007. He gave up more HR's, but his K and BB rates both improved a good amount, and his FIP even went down a bit, despite his ERA rising a full 1.30. By all accounts, Tim Redding may have actually been a better pitcher in 2008 then he was in 2007, despite allowing a 4.90 era, to the 3.60 era he allowed in 2007.
Posted by: nrmax88 | April 06, 2009 at 11:55 AM
Yeah but he went from "filthy" to medicore at best. All I'm saying is it makes you wonder..
Posted by: RoyOswaltSteroidFree | April 06, 2009 at 12:56 PM
mediocre*
Posted by: RoyOswaltSteroidFree | April 06, 2009 at 01:00 PM
Feel bad for him but the lasting memory of him for me is from 05 when he practically cried and begged Francona to put him on the all-star team as the managers choice even though his e.r.a. was high with an 11-1 record. Add that to the choke he put up against the chisox in the playoffs where he got absolutely rocked and you come out looking like a girly man collecting a big paycheck!
Posted by: RED SOX DYNASTY! | April 06, 2009 at 01:55 PM
Fine this is my last comment on this subject. He might not have sucked in 02', but he was not "filthy". Filthy to me is Brandon Webb, Johan Santana, Tim Lincicum
Posted by: GoSoX | April 06, 2009 at 04:35 PM