Mariners Trade Talk

"Heyman believes that Bedard would probably require a better package than the one the White Sox were going to send to San Diego for Peavy. He likes the Phillies, White Sox, and Brewers as possible suitors."

Four months of Bedard and maybe some draft picks is going to cost more than Poreda, Richard and two pitching prospects?

Psh, screw that..

can branyan play OF at least mediocrely? he and diaz could make a real nice offensive platoon i think for the next year and a half,

I also wouldn't go near Branyan at all. Didnt' he bounce around Philly and Cincy a couple years back? he was on the scrap heap. Sure he's done good this year but I expect him to fall back to mediocrity if he was traded. sorry, nothing of value given for him either.

If the Mariners could recoop one guy of the same type of talent they gave away in Adam Jones and Chris Tillman (not to mention Sherril) I'd consider Jack Z a wizard. As a smart and prudent GM, he's got to blow a fuse everytime he looks at what Bavasi gave away.
An outfield of Shin Choo Choo, Adam Jones, and Ichiro sounds pretty dog gone incredible.

If Bedard is healthy then it is a worthy investment. He really is that good and worth all of a team's top tier talent. National League fans really have no idea how good he is. They're just looking at numbers, not from watching games and how hitters react to him. The problem with Bedard is (and very valid) is that he has never posted a full healthy season in the bigs. So even if he reaches the All-Star Break healthy with strong numbers, there should be some concern that he could breakdown down the stretch when he's needed the most. If a team traded their top 2 and change prospects for him, then this could be a disaster.

I'm an Os fan and I've followed Bedard since he was a minorleaguer. Two years before he left the Os Bedard was whispered about as being a dispassionate, cold, distant guy who wasn't willing to put himself on the line to win games. I speculate that this attitude probably has much to do with his time as a minorleaguer with a major injury with a 50/50 chance he may never be the same pitcher again. It was supposedly a little more than just the elbow. Eventually tho the whispers around Baltimore was that it took very little to knock him out of the lineup, He was being extra cautious with himself so he had no qualms about removing himself. A lot of the injuries that had him sitting on the bench were fairly mild knee strain and the like. His media personality can also come off as sarcastic, arrogant, and contemptuous.

I mentioned all of this to Seattle fans when the trade rumors were being circulated. Most of them responded by saying that the Os are a losing team, and once he's an Mariner he will be a different person since he's on a winning ballclub.

"Most of them responded by saying that the Os are a losing team, and once he's an Mariner he will be a different person since he's on a winning ballclub."

I wasn't involved in that conversation, because I would have told you that if the M's traded Jones for Bedard than I'd swear off Mariner baseball for life...and then they go and trade Jones, Sherrill, and Tillman for Bedard. Unfortunately I swore off Mariner Baseball for life, but couldn't stick to it, and now I see Tillman's AAA Line and Jones' offensive numbers and wish I would've. Bedard could have won a Cy Young award last year and I would still be disgusted with that deal.

A Summer Rental deal is worth it if it gets you over a hump and turns the tide for you. It's exactly those kinds of moves that swing momentum into your favor. It's happened before. St Louis adding Mark McGwire. The Brewers adding C.C. for a historic run last year. For my team Frank Robinson traded to the Orioles. If it turns the tide of fans back to the team then it can get a ball rolling. Sure, maybe the player may end up leaving, but you will be compensated in the draft (for what that's worth), and, if you're a team that was close then you'd gladly trade those pieces for a championship. If you're a team without real quality minor league depth then sending out good prospects will hurt bigtime, in which case, you really have no right thinking about making such a trade. I am just talking about those teams who are a player or two away, having every slot filled with a quality guy, and quality depth in the minors. If those teams don't trade prospects who would be blocked anyways for a chance at a run, then that's not a winning attitude to me.

Bedard To Pillies For Bastardo SP, J. Donald SS, J. Mayberry OF

J. Washburn SP, J. Lopez 2B To Brewers For J. Jeffress SP, B. lawrie C/3B, J. Odorizzi SP

Y. Betencourt SS, J. Clement C, W. Balentien OF To Padres For C. Headley OF, J. Darnell 3B

A. Beltre To Stl for B. Wallace 3B, J. Todd SP

M. Batista RP, D. Aardsma CL, R. Branyan 1B/OF To LAD For J. McDonald SP, A. Lambo OF

And release C. Silva and bite the paycheck, same if K. Johjima if nobody wants him. Giffey retires and goews into the Hall an M.

Freeing 70+ Million of the books, going mostly young and signing M. Holliday OF and R. Halladay SP

you can hear the explosions in the background....

bedard to philly for carrasco, marson, donald

carrasco takes bedards spot in the rotation, donald moves to second base and marson goes to triple a

branyan, betancourt, and clement/ or marson to boston for bowden and reddick

bowden goes into seattle rotation and reddick goes to double a

washburn, lopez, and clement or marson to brewers taylor green, mike jones, zach braddock, and josh butler

green, and jones go to triple a
braddock and butler go to double a

beltre and aardsma to st louis kahlil greene, daryl jones and clayton mortensen

mortensen moves into rotation and greene becomes everyday shortstop
jones goes to triple a

bautista, balentien, garret olson and mike morse to washington for austin kearns jack mcgeary and derek norris

kearns goes to mariners
norris goes to double a
mcgeary goes to high a

new lineup
c johjima
1b carp
2b donald
ss greene
3b shelton ( until tui is ready)
rf ichiro
cf guitierrez
lf saunders/ kearns
dh griffey

bench
johnson
cedeno
chavez
sweeney

sp
felix
bowden
carrasco
vargas
mortensen

bp
rowland smith
kelly
jakubakus
lowe
white
morrow

these moves frees up a lot for potential moves for 2010, griffey will retire, sweeney will retire, do not resign kearns, do not resign greene, do not resign chavez

trade carrasco, saunders, halman, donald to brewers for jj hardy and rickie weeks

resign branyan as a dh
sign cliff lee

2010 line up
c moore
1b carp
2b weeks
ss hardy
3b tuiasosopo
rf ichiro
cf guitierrez
lf ackley
dh branyan

bench
johjima
cedeno
nelson
jones

sp
felix
lee
bowden
mortensen
vargas

bp
rowland smith
aumont
fields
morrow
lowe
johnson
white

oh man, one could only dream it would be this easy