Cardinals Pursuing Matt Holliday

Oh please get done. As long as they can sign him to an extension I would absolutely give up Ludwick, Perez/McClellan, and another prospect (Jay, Anderson, Jones, T. Green?) for Holliday.

Bench Duncan, play Rasmus in CF full time, and let Ankiel play in RF and you have a much better OF both offensively and defensively.

As an A's fan, Ludwick doesn't excite me. The A's need to be looking for solutions at 3B and CF. However, I'm assuming Wallace and Rasmus are off the table...
So..

Yeah this doesn't really excite me.

"eh. nooo cardinals! the braves should get holiday lol"

Just doesnt look like the Braves are willing to take on a big salary. That said, the Cards better do something to protect Albert. Tonight against the twins ( and a very average pitcher in Perkins) was just more of the same of what has been going on. Get the man some protection Mo.

does it really make sense to trade away a player who makes peanuts and is under team control for someone who has barely better production and makes tons more?

"But why give up Ludwick when he could heat up any time. Ankiel or duncan should be the ones to give up.Both are slumping or approaching free agency."

If your Beane, why would you take 2 guys who will be approaching FA? You want the guy who is locked up for cheap. It goes both ways guy.

I have to find the link, but wasn't it just posted a few days ago that Holliday was very interested in playing for the Cards and would definitely listen to an extension offer if traded there?

This seems like a solid fit for the Cards, and no Duncan and Ankiel will not be part of this trade...well, unless we just throw in Duncan and ask for a mid tier pitching prospect.

Ack, i'm sorry, reading comprehension failure after seeing Ludwick's name involved in this silly rumor; i blame the high blood pressure.

yeah, Ankiel isn't useful to beane. Duncan MIGHT be, if he thinks he can be fixed. Luddy is the guy he'll be asking about, or rasmus/jones, both of whom BETTER be off the table.

SleepyCA-ankiel is a free agent after the season. Get the facts.

Ludwick, Motte and a prospect for Holliday..

Yes please.

who's better?
player 1
.276./.389/.487
player 2
.269/.367/.423
player 3
.250/.349/.470
or player 4
.270/.387/.390

ludwick is 30 yrs old. pass

motte/perez. A's are loaded with relievers. at AAA alone they have Hrod/Demel/Carignan (when healthy)/Webb/Blevins/Gray etc

Dear Cody,
Holliday is still a career 300 hitter on the road. And lets not forget that miguel cabrera's BA dropped average dropped 30 points upon his transfer to the AL. Maybe all he needs is another year to adjust to the AL or a retun to the NL to put up his normal beastly numbers (M-cab, 15 homers, 337 this year, career highs in everything except HR's, RBI's).

Holliday is a .281 hitter for his career on the road plus he only has a .452 slugging percentage sixty points lower than his numbers at the super friendly confines of coors field. And don't give me that he struggling in oakland's park. He has the same ammount of homeruns there that he has away.

I have to find the link, but wasn't it just posted a few days ago that Holliday was very interested in playing for the Cards and would definitely listen to an extension offer if traded there?

This seems like a solid fit for the Cards, and no Duncan and Ankiel will not be part of this trade...well, unless we just throw in Duncan and ask for a mid tier pitching prospect.

Posted by: Billiken | June 26, 2009 at 11:53 PM

here's the link:
http://www.stltoday.com/discussions/sports/joe-strauss-live/LD061909796

Joe Strauss: My information is that Holliday badly wants to play in St. Louis and would be receptive to a long-term arrangement if the Cardinals acquire him.

I really don't see the prospect being much more than a guy like Shane Robinson.

A lot of Cardinal fans do not want to see this trade. It is not a terrible trade (other than money wise). I believe that although Holliday is not in Coors anymore, he is still having a down year. I would like this trade so much more if I knew they could get him resigned.

I am not surprised Holliday wants to play for the Cards.

He is .385/.478/1.350 with 5 HRs in 46 PA. I think he would like to play there more.

And this looks classic Billy Beane. This is a pure buy low on Luddy. No hitter sustains a BABIP of .220. That's gotta come up, and when it does, he's easily an .800 OPS guy who plays plus defense.

If Cust can get out of his funk, that's two rather formidable bats, especially consdering what the A's have pitchingwise.

Career tOPS by park
Busch II 186 Wrigley 46 Great American 62 Miller 101 Minute Maid 57

A's can find a better deal
maybe reds, braves, yanks, mets, etc. first of all, A's wont accept a sub par deal due to hollidays contract. thats a non issue. Ludwicks 30 something OLDER than holliday. STL keep your relievers, A's dont need them. Give me the 2 picks over an offer that is no different than the offseason.

The birds need to move Ankiel I don't know what you would get 4 him he is mediocre at the plate (streaky)But he is defensively sound as long as there isn't a wall near... They really need to look for an every day 3rd baseman I would like 2 Holliday in the lineup but I would hate to see Ludwick go It seems like a good trade though and they need to do something sooner than later

2 relievers and a 30 something OF, The cards dont even touch their farm system.

perez/mclellan is no different than what A's already have in their bullpen...keep them and replace those with a hitting prospect or 2

mlb:bailey/casilla/ziegler/devine (when healthy next yr)

AAA: gray/webb/blevins/demel/hrod/carignan/marshall/kilby

the last thing A's need are relievers and i'm not convinced ludwich had had his best (career) seasons w/ STL and would regress in AL

PL: I don't think that deal would work for the A's...seeing as Glaus and Ankiel will both be FA's. Also, the Cardinals are looking for a bat to put behind Pujols...the whole idea is to get protection for Pujols, not to move him into the 4 spot. If you can keep Pujols hitting 3rd, you guarantee him the opportunity to hit in the first inning and therefore get him more at bats.

@Yanksallday

Thats just for this year, Skip can play everywhere too, regardless Kennedy is a FA and can be let go because theres no way he will keep hitting like he is this year, Skip goes back to 2B, Buck in RF in '10.

@Billiken
Yep, that deal contains 4 FA's actually, 2 each, but it works out a little more in Oakland's favor because Beane gets his draft picks just like he wanted for Holliday. And sorry, I meant to have Pujols hitting #3 and Holliday #4, my bad, obviously I know about the "get the high OPS guys the most ABs" thats why Cust should have been hitting #2 all along in Oakland (he's slumping hard this year though, ouch). So the deal gets Ludwick traded for Buck and the Cards get the chance to sign Holliday long term. Fair? It kinda is.

I really do not like this deal at all for the A's. Ludwick is kinda old and only had one big year. I'd rather take my chances with the draft picks.

The A's don't need relievers. They need hitting prospects. So you can take Motte and Perez and shove them up your ass.

PL-

I don't think the Cards take Kennedy back. I don't think TLR would play him, as a lot of why Kennedy was released by them last year had to do with TLR.

And, Ankiel and Glaus will both accept arbitration, especially Glaus (Ankiel is less likely, I wouldn't mind Ankiel accepting). If Glaus accepts, that's over 10MM committed to a guy who might be relegated to 1B/DH.

Yeah, so our OF's went 1-12 in todays game (including Ludwick's PH AB). This is why we need Holliday. And I hope Mo was watching the game because Albert single handedly won the game for us. I actually have my fingers crossed for this trade going through. Ludwick, Motte, and someone like Anderson or T. Greene for Holliday would be awesome. I'm assuming though if this trade goes through, then the Cards won't be getting Derosa because I don't think both Perez and Motte would be traded.

Morgasm, you can never have too much pitching. You could always trade whichever reliever you get for someone you would need. And I am sure that Motte, Perez, and McClellan are better than at least one or two relievers you have.

melonis rex, I would mind if Ankiel accepted arbitration. He needs to go and hopefully he won't return next year. Actually I am hoping he is gone before the trading deadline.

motley14, i agree. i was so nervous today in the early innings of the game. the only reason why i didnt turn it off, because of our team, which albert is our team. i give credit to skip for gettin on base though. ankiel and duncan make me sick. i hate whatching them bat or just out on the field. rasmus is on and off, he left 5 on base today though..but we gotta keep him. wellemeyer has to go. hes is terrible. get him out of st. louis. ludwick needs to also he cant do what he did last year. id say perez/ludwick/ankiel for holliday and a pitching prospect. i still wanna see derosa though... ( but i dont know how)

If true, the Cards would be getting completely ripped off. I'd rather keep Luddy. Plus, you don't trade with Oakland. Ever. Remember the Mulder trade? How nice would it be to have Dan Haren right now? Go get Aktins for less and keep Ludwick.

If Wallace is on the table, the A's need to get it done, NOW.

Future 3B for the next 6 years? Yes.

will wallace stay at 3b, though?

if the A's say the deal MUST include Wallace, then the Cards should laugh at them and leave

Mitch beat me to it. It's ridiculous to include Wallace or Daryll Jones in any deal right now. Both are only a year or so from the majors.

Giving up Ludwick, (Motte, Perez or McClellan), and a Grade C prospect is plenty. If not, move on.

Cards fans how about Freese, Ludwick, perez and anderson? 4 players seems like too much, but this is more quantity. I still think Freese can be productive. 2008 .306/.361/.550
26 hr
2007 .302/.400/.489 17 hr
He's been old for his level, but he is improving.

Mo hang up the phone. Beane is insane now. We might as well go after someone like Aubrey huff or Melvin Mora who have a lower price tag. Then We sign Holliday after the season. Keep the farm intact.

Mo hang up the phone. Beane is insane now. We might as well go after someone like Aubrey huff or Melvin Mora who have a lower price tag. Then We sign Holliday after the season. Keep the farm intact.

I can promise you Wallace won't be going to Oak for 1/2 year of Wallace. Maybe if an extension was involved, which isn't going to happen, and even then probably not. Beane will trade him for less than that. It's just posturing.

Thez316-Fun fact way back in '97 Ryan Ludwick's brother Eric was sent to oakland in the McGwire deal.

Wallace will not be leaving St. Louis in this deal if one is made. I'd give that less than a 1% chance of happening.

If the deal is anything more than Ludwick, Todd, and a no name prospect for Holliday, then hang up on Billy Brainless...

"SATURDAY, 7:05pm: Peter Gammons tweets (account protected) that any discussions would have to start with Brett Wallace, as the A's don't need to trade Holliday."

Gammons could have just typed something like, "Holliday will not be traded to St. Louis. Asking price is ludicrous."

Seven years of MLB control of Brett Wallace for three months of Matt Holliday and two draft picks?

You don't deal players like Wallace unless you're going to get a controlled, star-quality player in return.

If the A's make a deal with Holliday involved with the Cards I would be shocked. All of the offers don't make sense. Ludwick has 1 good year and Cardinal fans think he has trade value? The A's definitely do not need to add relievers either seeing that it is one of the strengths of the organization. I to believe Wallace is to much to ask for Holliday so as an A's fan I don't expect any deal to get done with the Cardinals.