Dodgers Interested In Jarrod Washburn

It would be good to see Wash playing for a GOOD team again. Its a shame because his record would be much, much better if he wasn't in Seattle.

That is horrible about Endy. Torn ACL, MCL and Meniscus. They say he probably won't even be ready by the start of the 2010 season. I am sick of Betancourt. The very next day he almost plowed over Gutierrez in the same fashion. S**t happens I guess but damn.

The Mariners certainly have the flexibility to trade Washburn. He is doing well right now but history shows that he will drop back to his norms at some point. And the fact that the Mariners are lefty heavy in the rotation should free Wash up all the more. Vargas has been doing really well lately and with Olson and RRS fighting for a spot, Wash is the most expendable piece on this team.

And he might actually get the Mariners a B-level guy in return. Imagine that. Chuck Armstrong my not be such a moron for holding onto Wash.

I hate Betancourt as much as is humanly possible, but it wasn't his fault Endy got hurt. Please, don't try that crap.

Oh, and deal Washburn closer to July 31 when we know more about the team and the division.

I really think the Dodgers should hang on to Pierre. He's been extremely valuable this season.

Sure, another starter would be good for the Dodgers, but another lefty?

I was watching the game when i posted that, and the ESPN announcers were talking about how Pierre shouldnt be a bench player. He has proved to be a good player still. I dont want to get rid of him, but if it were for the right pitcher, I guess Id be OK.

Wow, what a pompus post. first, hes already under contract and second, we he isnt going to be a starter. I really hope that was sarcasm, because if not, thats pathetic

Ned Colletti will sign him to a 4yr/$40M contract in the off-season.

Posted by: icedrake523 | June 21, 2009 at 10:19 PM

I was talking about Pierre, i thought he was reponding to my post. My bad icedrake

"Oh, and deal Washburn closer to July 31 when we know more about the team and the division."

Here, let me tell you now so you don't have to wait:

This is a team that can claw its way to the playoffs in a terrible AL West if the Rangers' offense dies and the Angels are mediocre the rest of the way, with low/mid 80s in the win column. They'll be immediately swept out of the playoffs, and all those chips they could have used to trade for the future of the team will leave for free agency.

do the mariners have a LF for next season? I thought itd be Chavez, but he is out for a long time. He could play LF for you guys and be another spark plug at the top, like he is with the dodgers...

Ryana, the Mariners are a good young team and would actually benefit from trading Washburn and using their other options... To be honest the Dodgers are a team benefiting from a weak division. They pitch better than SF and SF can't hit. SD is awful, AZ is worse/injured, and the Rockies have a ice cream cone's chance in hell of winning anything.

ldy4l,

As for LF options, the Mariners have one of the best farm systems based on the huge jumps forward that their young players have made, and the 2nd best among a strong group of prospects is Michael Saunders, who is very similar to Grady Sizemore from the scouting reports I have read. They think Sizemore has a little better range and arm, but otherwise they are very similar guys. So yeah, they have a LF option, let alone Balentien who looks like he could be anywhere from a Juan Rivera to a Vlad Guerrero type player, has a lot of upside, but his patience and strike zone awareness have to improve.

look the dodgers enjoy being in a weak division. But if you still think that the onlyn reason they win is cause of that divison is, then you need to open your eyes. They split the NYM series in LA, and took the Phil season series. They have taken the Marlins series thus far and same with the Nats. Thats the NL East(i dont think they played the Braves yet). They took this recent series vs the angels and took the Texas series.

the dodger have built a team that has a homegrown closer(one of the best in the game) an ace, a 21Yr old who shows signs of ace potenital, a top 3 CF, a good RF, a solid 1B(even with limited power), an all star catcher, 3 setup men(Kuo, Belisario, and Trancosso), along with Corey Wade. This team is built to be a contender for yrs to come, and it doesnt matter what divison

... and next season or 2011 he blocks: Balentien, Mike Wilson, Saunders, Halman, Raben, Gillies, etc. Hell, I'd rather play LaHair in LF than Pierre.

How about Washburn to Chicago White Sox for Clayton Richard and Brent Lillibridge?

your joking, right? PLEASE tell me your joking. I can see how you dont want Pierre for LF(I dont know the Seatle farm at all), but Washburn(who we all know isnt an ace) and Gutierrez, who has a 257/311/713 line for Kemp? Kemp is becoming a top 3 CF in the league, and has a carzy bat. Oh, and he is one yr older than Gutierrez.

The one thing i thought off is what if Pierre becomes your DH? That is, of course, if Griffey retires, but he doesnt have to field and makes that Duo at the top of your lineup. If they lock of Felix, get some power to go with Ichiro and Pierre and let the kids grow, they could contend in a few yrs...

You must not have read my entire post. Pierre is having a strong year at .337. He's no slouch at his career avg .301 either. Balentien is on his last chance to prove himself in LF. Outside of his work since Chavez was taken out by Yuni he hasn't been fun to watch. Mike Wilson is on the DL and DH for AA West Tenn. And last but definitely not least Zduriencik has made it clear that Saunders has not had enough time to develope at the AAA level. The only way the M's could ever take Pierre in a trade for Washburn would be if the Dodgers sent ALOT of cash with him. He is still owed 18.5M through 2011 not including this years remaining salary.

I was just giving some input on the Washburn for Pierre idea someone else thought up. I personally would like to see SP Washburn to the Dodgers for SS Justin Sellers. Sellers is playing at the AA level and would be a solid pick up for a team with plenty of pitching but weak up the middle.

And it's Washburn and a 1st or 2nd round pick AND a compensation pick for Richard and Lillibridge. AT THE MINIMUM, Washburn is looking like a type B and that means a late 1st round (comp A) pick and Washburn for Richard who is a hard throwing lefty reliever who can spot start and projects as a #4 or #5 as a starter. I like Richard for a setup role, so yeah, I think a top 20 pitcher this year for a lefty reliever and a washed out infielder is a good deal considering the picks that are guaranteed. Washburn's last walk-year was amazing, so don't expect him to drop off much.

um, maybe you should look up your players a little more carefully. The mets 2B has been Castillo, all yr. Reyes played in one or two of the games in LA, cant remember. We are missing our best setup man coming into the yr, Kuo, as well, so stop whining. Their closer of last yr is hurt, so they bought the top closer of last yr, im sure they are angry that they have KRod. And dont talk about pieceing together an OF. How about having a future HOF to play LF, then we have Pierre as our starter?

Ok, we are 3-4 vs the NL Central. We split with the cubs, the only contender from that divison we have played, and lost the series to the Stros, Are they going to be in the postseason? didnt think so.

And you say a full strengh mets team would have taken one more? well a full strength dodger team would have 55 wins. But we dont live in the should have, would have, could have time.

And i dont know what else you want the dodgers to do. they have done what teams dream about. They have built a solid team while being above 500 for every season but one since 2001. they stay in moderate contention as they build a power house, homegrown, and have taken on each top tier team thrown against them and dominated them. What else???

Belisario was signed as a minor league FA from Pitt.

Ok dude, Billingsley is a top 10 pitcher in the majors. He has a 94MPH fastball, one of the best curves in the majors, not to mention a plus slider and change. He has had an ERA under 3.32 execpt for his 21yr old season, when he wasnt meant to start, but had to cause of injury.

Ok, you obviously dont watch the dodger games. Loney is one of the top 5 fielder in the NL, and probably the majors.

Ethier is not our best OF. Kemp is. He is a speedy OF, CF no less, with a great glove, top 5 arm, amazing power, and is cuting down the Ks, while walking more. Ethier is our second best OF. He has a strong arm, a patient hitter, who will hit 300 with 20HRs, but not much speed.

Martin is a top 3 catcher, with McCann and Mauer. He has speed, good contact, and is patient. He doesnt have power, but still could devolp it. He didnt have a backup that was servicable since he came up. When he became the full time starter since 07, he has played 306 games. FOR A CATCHER. he has played too many games and is tired. His D has remained, but his bat has suffered. Ausmus will help him mentally and physically.

Besides from Felix, who is a stud, what have most of the Mariners prospects done? not much. The dodger guys have been to the NLCS and are the best team in the majors. They won early with Manny as a power team, and with Pierre, they became a run producing team. The Mariners are based on potenital, the dodgers, on what they have done.

Won't go into your other bias, but Martin a top 3 catcher? Are you kidding me?

Mauer
McCann
V-Mart
Napoli
Yadier Molina

Russell Martin

This would be a dumb move. Jeff Weaver is 4-1 with a 3.71 era. Why trade for somebody who's bound to end the season with something similar.

If the Doyers are going to bring in a new starter it has to be somebody that would be a #1 or #2 guy on almost any rotation in baseball for it to be worth it.

Also. Hate on the Dodgers or the NL West as much as you like. We're above .500 against every division aside from the NL Central in which we're 3-4 including a series split at Wrigley. We've owned the NL East, and won our last three series against AL teams including 2 on the road.

As far as divisions go. Only 1 team in the East and 1 tea min the Central have winning records against the NL West. The Giants and the Rockies will be fighting for the WC come the end of summer. Guarantee it.

"Granted, the Dodgers are a VERY good team and would do well in any division, but please don't try to say that the NL West is even remotely a decent division."

Three teams over .500, which is more than remotely decent.

The simple reason Washburn doesn't get traded for Pierre is the salary overhang. Unless the Dodgers are willing to eat a good part of Pierre's money, Seattle doesn't get any savings.

The other reason is that Pierre is doing a fabulous job in Manny's absence, and he gives the Dodgers a lot of flexibility when Manny comes back. If they're already into him for the money it makes no sense to flip him to another team.

... and to that guy who suggested Kemp for Washburn and Gutierrez... keep dreaming. Kemp is an integral part of this Dodgers team, and Colletti isn't dumb enough to make a trade that involves breaking up the Dodgers young core.

You're going to have to look down in AA or AAA if you want to make a trade. A couple of guys like from a list of Elbert, DeWitt, Hu, May or Ellis, Paul, Santor, Abreu, and DeJesus could probably be had but Washburn. McDonald, Lambo, Martin, Withrow and Lindblom are probably off-limits too.

"Yeah, Billingsley is solid, even if he wasn't in an extreme pitchers park, in an offense depleted division, in a DH-less league, he'd probably still be under 4.00 ERA."

Dodger Stadium is neutral, not an "extreme pitcher's park". It hasn't been a pitcher's park since they put in the field box seats a few years ago at the expense of most of the foul territory.

Why would the Dodgers trade for Washburn?

I mean Eric Milton in 4 starts this year is 2-0 with a 2.89 ERA, 1.55 WHIP and 13 K's in 18 IP.

And James McDonald has been named pitcher of the week in back-to-back weeks in AAA and is currently sporting numbers of 3.26 ERA/1.15 WHIP/40 K's/30 IP.

He's probably just as good an option, if not better, than Washburn right now. And his upside is definitely higher than Washburn's.

I agree Pierre would be a bad trade for Seattle. They already have way too many overpriced, underperforming vets on their roster.

If I'm Colleti, I am going with in-house options for the 5th starter and only making a trade if we can get a top of the rotation starter who will actually crack the current playoff rotation of Billingsley, Kuroda, Kershaw or Wolf.

The Dodgers will be fine with their 5th starting spot.

@ Die-Hard Dodger Fan

I don't think Kershaw is ready for the postseason. He obviously has a ton of potential will become an ace at some point in the future, but he's way too inconsistent to depend on as a postseason starter. Washburn, a veteran playing for a contract, would be a nice addition.

Add to consideration that Kuroda is still a huge question mark at this point. He's been inconsistent since coming back from the DL. I think he'll be OK, but I'd like some insurance. Washburn gives us that.

Billingsley - Wolf - Kuroda - Washburn is probably as solid a 1-4 as we can get for the postseason. Any trade for an ace is going to require us to give up essential pieces of the team, like Kemp, Ethier, Broxton, Martin or Kershaw, which I'm not willing to do. Washburn could be had for a couple B prospects like Paul, DeWitt, May/Ellis, Hu, Abreu...

Think of Washburn as an addition for October, not for July, August or September. I know we don't have much need for him now, but do you really want Kershaw, McDonald, Stults or Milton starting a playoff game?

"Another month and the Rockies fall back to normal. SFG *might* be a .500 team because they do have an excellent pitching staff and -0- hitting out side of Sanchez, Molina and Rowand."

I wouldn't be too quick to write off the Rockies.

Their pitching has actually been really good.

Ubaldo Jimenez is one of the most underrated young pitchers in baseball. The guy has an absolute rocket for an arm (94-98 FB velo) and he's improved his command enough to post a dazzling 3.27 FIP after posting a 3.83 FIP in 2008.

Marquis and Cook are both good groundball pitchers, and their styles have fit well into Colorado, as they both get groundballs and avoid walks.

Hammel and de la Rosa have also quietly been quite good. None of these guys has an FIP over the 4.30 mark that Marquis has posted this year.

Considering how Helton and Hawpe have propped up the offense, along with the potential emergence of guys like Fowler, Gonzalez, Stewart and Smith, I just don't think that you can confidently say that the Rockies are done for.

Then again, LA has that division all but locked up.

"Just goes to show the East Coast bias of the national reporting outlets is just wrong, for this year at least."

For many years. I remember a couple of seasons back I had to point out that the entire division was .500 or better to someone who was insisting that it was a "weak" division. It didn't last of course but it also didn't make sense even then to call the NLW "weak."

At the end of last night's game which unfortunately was broadcast by ESPN, Joe "dullsville" Morgan commented that "people are starting to pay attention to the Dodgers." Of course since it was Joe he had to repeat it three times. How dumb did that sound? Best record in baseball for the last two months at least, and "people are starting to pay attention?"

Sheesh. If any team in the ALE was playing the kind of ball we're seeing from the Dodgers this season, nobody would be caught saying that they weren't paying attention.

@ Die-Hard Dodger Fan

I see your point, but Washburn is in a contract year this year just like Lowe was last year... and that does tend to get these guys to step it up a bit. If Kershaw keeps giving us outings like last night, I'd be happy to start him in the postseason... but he's been really inconsistent thus far. If he shows he can shut down the Cardinals, Brewers, Mets, Phillies, etc... I'll be more confident in his abilities to start in October.

Nonetheless, I still like the idea of having some insurance in case Kuroda and/or Kershaw struggle, or somebody suffers from an injury. Weaver, Milton and Stults have done a fine job as 5th starters, but I'm convinced they'd bomb in the postseason against an opposing team prepared to face them.

If Washburn could be had for something like DeWitt (overrated, in my opinion) and May or Ellis (we're deep at catcher after this draft), I'd be happy with the move. Maybe throw in a low ceiling A or AA pitcher.

"Don't overlook Sandoval on the Giants. As much as I hate to admit it as a Dodger fan, he is quite the hitter."

You are correct Dodgerdan, I was thinking of Sandoval when typed their pitcher Sanchez.. Not many good hitting pitchers are there huh?

"For many years. I remember a couple of seasons back I had to point out that the entire division was .500 or better to someone who was insisting that it was a "weak" division. It didn't last of course but it also didn't make sense even then to call the NLW "weak.""

Go back and look at how the standings were only a few weeks ago and what did it look like? Not trying to hammer the NL West, it's just an awful lot like the AL West, has stronger teams more often, but usually weak as compared to the AL/NL East with power house teams and not trying to take away at all from the Dodgers this year, or the outstanding late season run that the Rockies had in '07 that they appear to be attempting to mimmick right now, it's just how long they can maintain this run with what the Rockies have is the question, as well as how well the Giants can hit.

"Won't go into your other bias, but Martin a top 3 catcher? Are you kidding me?

Mauer
McCann
V-Mart
Napoli
Yadier Molina

Russell Martin"

I agree with McCann and Mauer, no doubt.

But V-Mart cant stay healthy or behind the plate. He has been a 1B or DH for a while.

Napoli has never played 100 games, and has only played 48 this yr. He is hitting 290 this yr, lets see it over a full yr, like Martin did in his first 2 yrs starting. Napoli is also older, has played the same amount of time. Napoli isnt a better catcher, offensivly or defensivly.

These are the numbers of Molina vs Martin over a 162 game season, with Martin having his worse offensive season thus far:

Martin: 162 games, 663 PA, 88Runs, 161hits, 30 2b, 2 3B, 14Hrs, 80RBis, 19 steals, 80walks, 90Ks, 280/372/788 line, 104OPS+, 239 TB, 2AS, GG, SS.

Molina: 162 games, 593PA, 46Runs, 142hits, 24 2B, 2 CAREER TRIPLES, 9 Hrs, 64RBIs, 2 steals, 41BB, 49Ks, 265/320/684, 79OPS+, 195TB, 1GG.

Awards dont matter a lot, other than SS, but i thought id put it up. Molina is supposed to be an offensivly minded catcher with good defense. His bat is nothing compared to Martin's, and Martin's defense has been a lot better.

Accept it, Martin is a top 3 catcher in baseball, close to McCann and Mauer. It depends what you want. Martin gives you stellar defense and if his bat comes back, a very complete, athletic player. McCann is the power man. Mauer is power and contact and good defense, but he may not stay a catcher cause of his height. Remember, Martin also has speed that not many catchers have ever had.

Meanwhile, to people who still dont believe that the Dodgers are real, look at these stats:

Out of 23 series this season, they have won 14 series, tied 5, and have lost 4. They have still not lost 3 straight, which means no sweeps. NO TEAM HAS DONE ANY OF THIS.

The Dodgers actually lost a game? That must have been really difficult to admit lakersdodgersempire4life but its a start! Take 2 pills and resume therapy in the morning son, cuz we're making progress!

Ummm that's a cute stat about the NL West having the 2nd best record as a division in baseball, but that's before or after the Rockies ran off 16 of 17 games? When teams like the Rockies run off that many wins, they are bound for a pretty hard down turn, it's like the crash of a drug attack it'll be hard and eventual. How much does the Rockies record prop up the division? I have to imagine that if they lose 8 of those games or we look at the % in about 1-2 months, we'll see the world rotating as normal with the NL West having one of the worst records by division in baseball. Also inter league play by the west has been against the Angels and Rangers when they both have been playing their worst baseball, and I think that has to benefit the NL West too.

As for this Martin is God, talk... MARTIN HAS 1 count it 1 homerun ALL SEASON... Kenji Johjima hit the same number with a broken toe against Oakland. Martin has a lot to prove offensively and a week of V-Mart behind the plate would equal more offense than what Martin has done for the season, same goes for Mauer and McCann. I'd say until Martin starts hitting better, he's maybe not even in the top 10 this season...

In no specific order...

Yadier Molina
AJ Pierzynski
Joe Mauer
Brian McCann
Jesus Flores
Jorge Posada
Mike Napoli
Ryan Hanigan
Jason Varitek
Chris Iannetta
Ronny Paulino
John Baker
Carlos Ruiz
Miguel Olivo

Those guys are absolutely KILLING Martin's OPS and most are equivalent defenders, plus or minus a little bit, but none of these guys is significantly less behind the plate enough to compensate for the offensive difference.

Would Jack Wilson be a good rental to buy if the M's are still in it by July 31st?

agree. If the knee is really that bad, why on earth would we trade anything for him. Our rotation can last right now, with Lindblom and Elbert making starts later in the yr.

Washburn -- the guy who is no better than a 500 pitcher WOW - IMO the Dodgers would be better off starting one of there own rookies.

"do the mariners have a LF for next season? I thought itd be Chavez, but he is out for a long time. He could play LF for you guys and be another spark plug at the top, like he is with the dodgers..."

Why is it you sound like a used car salesman?

I just wanted to post to lock in you dodger fan's commitment to Jeff Weaver as you're ace in the hole.

Jeff Weaver.

The same Jeff Weaver that was out of baseball all of last year and couldn't even keep his ERA under 6 in the best pitchers park in Seattle 2 years ago with a good defense behind him.

Yea, guess this is why there is no surprise the dodgers get swept out of the first round every year. Maybe if you guys actually, ya know, went to a few games and stayed awhile, or at least read the box scores you'd sweat you're ass off until LA picked up some more pitching.

Weaver actually has a higher WHIP thus far than he did in Seattle and his walks are up per 9. Half his wins this season are against freakin Arizona. Give me a break. This kind of thinking has teams like Philly and NY and StL laughing all the way to the World Series. Stick Weaver up against a guy like Joel Pinero or Wainwright StL's 3rd and 4th pitchers and watch what happens. Or better yet, get in a series against Milwaukee and have him face off against Washburn then you'd really be kicking yourself.

Such short memories you have. He's Weaver's line his last playoff start in LA

4.2IP 8H 6ER 2BB 4SO 2HBP

Just got clobbered by the Cardinals. Have fun with that again.

Look, learn from Seattle's mistakes, you need ToR pitchers to win in the playoffs. If you're gonna go to the post season with a bunch of lame ducks, at least have them disguise their ineptness by winning 17 or 18 games with decent numbers a la Aaron Sele. Don't throw your faith in a bunch of unproven or decent regular season pitchers in the playoffs. Look to the past. You need Jarrod Washburn. I'd take him even over Jake Peavy. All Peavy's done is lay eggs in big situations, got creamed in both is playoff starts against StL and even got beat in that one game playoff against Colorado 2 years ago that mainly lead to SD huge collapse from being a contender. All Washburn's done is beat the Yankees in the post season which basically dethroned NYY from the top of the baseball world. Not that big a deal.

But yea, I'd probably stick with Weaver too. Lets see some more thoughtful posts like that.

"Weaver actually has a higher WHIP thus far than he did in Seattle and his walks are up per 9. Half his wins this season are against freakin Arizona. Give me a break. This kind of thinking has teams like Philly and NY and StL laughing all the way to the World Series. "

Not that I think of Weaver as an ace in the hole, but if I recall correctly, the last time StL "laughed their way to the world series," Weaver was one of their STARTING pitchers.

By the way, last year it was the Dodgers that swept the Cubs out of the first series of the playoffs.

LOL chop.

Like what was just said, Weaver is not even a starter right now, let alone will he be one for the playoffs should they hold on.

Yes, Washburn is a better option than Milton/Weaver/Stults, but between them they get the job done at the end of the rotation.

So to the important question: is he a better option than Billingsley/Kuroda/Wolf/Kershaw, and I'd say with his health concern, salary, and the prospects he'd cost, he absolutely is not enough of an upgrade over any of those to be worthy of trading for him.

"If the Doyers are bringing in a new pitcher he needs to be an absolute ACE or it isn't worth it. That's my point."

I pretty much agree.

But, I'd trade Pierre for Washburn in a heartbeat for salary reasons.