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Indians Not In Selling Mode

Grady Sizemore and Travis Hafner are on the disabled list and the Indians are last in the AL Central, but GM Mark Shapiro told Tom Verducci of SI.com that he isn't selling because he expects a revival from his team. As Verducci points out, only one team in the Wild Card era has made the playoffs after beginning June at least eight games under .500, the 2005 Houston Astros.

However, Shapiro said it's "too early to be preemptive" and deal players like Mark DeRosa, Carl Pavano and Jamey Carroll. He's no longer looking to add, though. "I've probably slowed the effort to try to acquire," Shapiro said. "We're probably more in the middle ground right now. People may think we're crazy, but we still like the core of our team."

Is Shapiro making the right call? Verducci thinks he should be selling and I agree. 


Comments

Especially when you can play LaPorta, Francisco, and Choo in the outfield and Peralta at third, selling on DeRosa wouldn't be a sellof, it would just be trading for excess to help a need.

Sell, sell, sell. As bad as the AL Central will be I still don't see the Indians being serious players - even with a turn-around.

waste of money. sell the big pieces and hope to compete with some kids.

They need to sell Travis Hafner will never be the same and getting rid of LEE and derosa would help the team more then hurt.

I think Shapiro is doing the right thing, for now. June looks like a month where his club can make up some ground. Divisional games and a few set versus the NL central. They have won 6 of their last 10, the starting pitching is showing signs of life and the club can score runs even without Hafner and Sizemore. Three weeks from now he can kick the sell machine into gear if they have not made up decent ground, but why not see what happens before breaking up the core?

They should be selling ... selling Wedge

I don't see a significantly better market for sellers today vs. the 7/31 deadline so why not keep your tradeable pieces and wait for the price to go up.

I think it's a two sided coin. One theory may be to just hold onto the players till the trade deadline because more teams may be interested.

But on the other hand if you shop now you may find a team that is willing to pay a little more now because there are fewer players available right now AND acquiring someone now means you have the guy for another 7-8 weeks of the season.

The Indians have probably one of the deepest rosters of tradeable players. Between Pavano, DeRosa, Carroll and even Lee, they can pull in a bunch of talent and free some salary space. They should definitely be selling.

Even if Shapiro decides to sell off some of the players, he won't sell the "core" players. Core of the Indians are Grady Sizemore, Shin-Soo Choo, Asdrubal Cabrera, Victor Martinez, Jhonny Peralta, Cliff Lee, Fausto Carmona, Rafael Perez, Jensen Lewis, and even Travis Hafner.

Younger players, that he hopes will emerge as "core" guys, are LaPorta, Brantley, Santana, Huff, Laffey, Valbuena, Mills, Chisenhall, Rondon, and Hodges.

However, I guarantee you if he has the chance to improve the team, he will make a trade. Mark DeRosa is a player he can afford to trade (that's why he's looking for ML ready pitching - a team need), and I think if the right offer came along for Ben Francisco, Kelly Shoppach, Ryan Garko, Jamey Carroll or even Rafael Betancourt, he will trade.

I don't see Jensen Lewis as even close to a core player. He's a run of the mill reliever and wouldn't be all that valuable in the trade market anyway. Tony Sipp, a young lefty with great stuff, is a much more valuable guy than Jensen Lewis, for example. And I think for the right price the Indians would consider moving Peralta. Everything else I agree with.

I think that this is just GM jockeying for trade value and team attitude, if he says they aren't selling it might make another GM try to force the issue by overpaying. At the very least, it signals to his team that he believes in them being able to salvage the season, without the help of bringing others in.

Sell Wedge and DeRosa ASAP, then reassess the team in a month and trade others if the team is out of contention.

Like I've said, trading Mark DeRosa wouldn't mean that Shapiro is mailing it in; a solid pitcher would be more valuable to this team than he is right now. Plus, it will free up at-bats for Garko, who is a better hitter than DeRosa.

Also, Shoppach needs to go immediately.

Jensen Lewis a "core" of this team? Laughable.

Garko is a polarizing figure among Tribe fans. Half complain that he's not getting enough playing time. The other half complain that he remains on the roster at all. A defensively deficient 1B w/o much power is not all that useful in my opinion. The future at 1B is not Ryan Garko. It might be Martinez if he's extended. It might be Matt La Porta. Someday it might be Beau Mills. But it is definitely not Ryan Garko.

People still consider Garko a poor defensive player? Why, exactly?

Power doesn't matter when, ultimately, you're driving in the runs one way or another, which is what he does. He's a career .300/.390/.461 hitter with RISP and .301/.431/.500 hitter with RISP and two outs.

He doesn't give away at-bats ever and he has a great understanding of the strike zone and how to hit in general.

melonis rex, what good would it do you to fire Eric Wedge now and replace him with an interim?

Think about how many times it has actually worked firing a manager in season and replacing him? Last one I can think of was with the Marlins in '03 when they won the WS. Besides that, every team has lost at least 90 games. Basically, what I'm trying to say is that firing Wedge now wouldn't make a difference. Indians' chances of making a late season run in the poor AL Central are better off with the man that's been there since the 2003 season then with, let's say, Datz or Skinner, as an interim. If the Indians are to strongly consider firing him, I'd wait it out until very late in the season to do so.

To Kevin, I agree with your take on Garko. I think he needs to get full time at bats because he can hit 25 HRs and, as he showed last year, produce runs. Give the man 500+ at bats at least once before giving up on him. I guarantee you he hits around .280/20+/90+ with ok defense at first base.

MickS, I think you may be right. But wouldn't you at least give him a chance to show what he can do before you deal him off? Kind of showcase him to other teams? I agree, Garko most likely isn't our long term solution at first base. It's more likely Martinez/LaPorta between the DH/1B long term. But right now, we need to play Garko on everyday basis so that his value would be brough up a bit before dealing him. I think he could be a nice chip to trade at the end of this season.

The Indians are only 8 games out of fist place right now and have played WAY below where they can play.


The team was 12 games out at the end of July in 2005 (with the same nucleus of players) and went on to win 93 games and just barely miss the playoffs.

87 wins may win the Central this year. It's still way too early to be in sell mode.


In 2 months maybe you change gears but consider we're only halfway to the trade deadline. A lot can happen before then.

"Think about how many times it has actually worked firing a manager in season and replacing him? Last one I can think of was with the Marlins in '03 when they won the WS. Besides that, every team has lost at least 90 games. "

The Mets fired Willie Randolph last year, and finished hot under Manuel. I'm not sure of their exact record, but they played right around .600 ball, and were in position to make the playoffs until they coughed it up again in the last weekend of the season. It didn't end up great, but they definitely didn't lose 90 games and they definitely played better after making the switch. It can work sometimes. If Wedge isn't doing a good job, he should be fired, regardless of whether it is during the season or the winter, imo.

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