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Nationals Scouting Outfield Options?

Talks have swirled this weekend about the Nationals' pursuit of Pirates CF Nyjer Morgan, but it looks like he's not the only outfielder on the team's radar. Bill Ladson at MLB.com has updated his previous post on the discussions, and this time he throws Braves CF prospect Jordan Schafer's name into the mix as a potential target for the Nats.

Ladson says the Nationals are seeking an improvement in their outfield defense, as they have apparently concluded that Adam Dunn and Josh Willingham profile more as designated hitters and Elijah Dukes still makes too many mental errors. Schafer was sent down earlier this season to make room for Nate McLouth, but it isn't clear if the Braves would be willing to move him.

It seems like the Nats are looking for a young, cost-controlled and speedy outfielder as well as a defensively adept one. Who else comes to mind that might be attainable for the Nationals?


Comments

Felix Pie! :3

its gonna be awfully hard for Dunn to DH in the NL...

What would the Braves want from the Nationals in order to even consider trading Schafer? Secondly, why would they want to trade him?

trade dunn to the mets for jeremy reed

that is kinda what I was thinking. Kinda hard to DH in the NL. I dont see the Braves unload schafer although. If we were able to get a high end thrid base prospect or middle infield prospect they might do it I dont know

No way the Braves would give up Schafer, let alone to a team from their own division. Once Schafer turns things around and pulls his head from the depths of his rectum (he has to come off the DL first, but soon enough) and starts hitting again, the Braves will have a great outfield (starting mainly next year) of McLouth in Left, Schafer in Center and (possibly by June or July of 2010) Jason Heyward in Right. Then we can dump the ever-slumping headcase that is Jeff Francoeur and finally be done with him. That outfield would not only rake at the plate, but provide Plus-Plus defense across the board.

Nats could probably get Ryan Church back cheap.


Manuel is not a fan, for some reason.

The Braves are not moving Shaffer to the Nats. That's just bonkers. Nats need to move Dunn, Johnson and Guzman for any young hitters they can get. Gosh the Nationals suck! I try to think up ways to fix things and I just know it will never happen.

Well, it might be possible to pry Brett Gardner or Melky Cabrera from the Yankees, if they offer something decent in return. Though that would be easier after the season, because the Yanks aren't as flushed with outfield depth as they had hoped.

Getting guys who are controlled for a while AND can play good defense will be the best thing the Nats can do. And flip Dunn, Johnson, and Willingham for these guys/other prospects.

A rotation of Zimmermann-Detwiler-Lannan-Stammen-Martis is actually not that bad (this is not counting anyone in the '09 draft).

willy taveras. they can have 'em.

If the Nationals want to trade for Schafer I would imagine Jordan Zimmermann would have to be involved. Schafer is a blue-chip prospect and he'd demand a blue-chip return. And he's still very much in the team's long-term plans. Then the Braves could try to salvage the position player portion of the farm by trading Vazquez, Soriano, Gonzalez, and others. I don't see the Nationals acquiring Schafer, but if I were Wren and they offered Zimmermann I'd probably do it.

Trade Nick Johnson to whom ever is interested for young, speedy outfielders. Move Dunn to 1B. Done and Dunn (pun intended).

Martinez from the mets.

Seems odd they are looking for young controlable OFers in a season that is a lost cause. I mean....havent they been stockpiling young outfielders for a couple yeras now? So basically ehat they have been doing is not working...maybe they should focus elsewhere and trade their glut of OFers and 1B for some quality arms or middle IF.

Fernando Perez from TB. Coming off injury, but looks like the Rays will have trouble finding a spot for him in the OF in the near future (w/ Jennings being the better prospect if Crawford leaves)

what are they thinking? When you are the team that needs everything, you don't target anything in particular- you offer around everyone on your major league roster who isn't named Zimmerman, and you get back the best available talent in every deal, whether than be pitchers, speedy outfielders, middle infielders, slugging 1B, whatever.

Hell, if I'm the GM of the Nationals and the Giants call me about Ryan Zimmerman and are willing to completely deplete their farm system, I wouldn't hand up the phone. Nationals are three years away from contending at least.

if they're thingking about moving Hernandez, whome do they have left at second? Gonzales is Guzman's back-up and Ronnie Belliard has been essentially lyaing goose eggs in each at bat this season. If the deal Johnson, Dunn, and Willingham, they can pretty much kiss any offense goodbye. as elit as Rzimm will be, he, Guzman and young guys can't carry a team with young pitching. Personally. I think they should hold onto Johnson and try and use Dmitri as a backup, if he can ever get into shape. Johnson's and injury risk sure, but i am not comfortable with Dunn at 1st. They should trade Olsen and Villone to the pirates for Morgan. Put Morgan in center, dunn in left and willingham in right.. Get rid of Kearns (or deal him to the pirates) and get a backup outfielder from someone.

I don't see how they're gonn ahve Dunn DH, you cant DH inthe NL, they must be thinking of moving him

Breaking News:

Frank Wren just shipped Jeff Francoeur to the Nats for a Ryan Zimmerman-autographed baseball and seven pouches of Big League Chew.

wouldn't dunn be the bat the braves need? schafer & a prospect (not hanson) could maybe get it done. now is the time for the braves to try & compete; since the mets injuries have done them in, and the phils are too inconsistent.

I find it hard to believe the nats would ship Dunn to the Mets. The deal would have to be overwhelming from the mets. I think the more reasonable option for the mets would be willingham. I think a Reed, carlos muniz and maybe cash could get it done.

the braves do NOT need Dunn, they need plate discipline and patience. One player is not going to fix our troubles, especially one who is a career .247 hitter. He may hit some bombs but he is not worth the package we would need to send to the nats.

Schafer to the Nats is not going to happen. McLouth LF, Schafer CF, and Heyward RF is the future in Atlanta. I would believe this just a little bit if we still had our other top CF prospect in Gorkys but we don't.

the Braves didnt have the money for Dunn this offseason and they didnt want his defense, which surprises me that they signed Anderson, so there is no way they trade a top prospect for him.

they already traded Gorkys and Im sure they'd like to move McLouth to RF or LF soon. I dont see them moving Schafer anytime soon.

They're 6 games under .500 with one of the best pitching staffs in baseball. They need more than just an Adam Dunn in order to compete. After the Phils beat them they'll become sellers

"Getting guys who are controlled for a while AND can play good defense will be the best thing the Nats can do. And flip Dunn, Johnson, and Willingham for these guys/other prospects.

A rotation of Zimmermann-Detwiler-Lannan-Stammen-Martis is actually not that bad (this is not counting anyone in the '09 draft).

Posted by: melonis rex | June 27, 2009 at 08:06 PM"

I agree with you 100%. I suppose the Nats could wait on trading Dunn until the offseason or next year's trade deadline if they do not get an adequate offer.

Eat the majority (if not all of) Dunns contract and I'd consider moving Schafer. The potential this kid has is crazy, and it's not like his path became blocked by McLouth. Pay attention to the guys in the corner OF spots right now and you will realize that there is one if not 2 openings next year, and the only competiton he'll have is Heyward who I don't expect to be ready next year

Francoeur might interest the Nats. Schafer is above the Nats pay grade, please. Frenchy is just the kind of over rated, underperforming, over paid headcase that the Nats seem to attract.

How about Zimmermann and a box of sugar cubes for Francoeur?

Nats aren't moving Zimmermann, period. Don't bother throwing his name out, even if the offer sounds like it makes sense, because they wouldn't trade him.

nosepicker your talking about Jordan zimmermann right?

@ KEllis

I don't know that Dunn wouldn't be worth the prospects he'd command from the Braves. Keep in mind that plate discipline is not ONLY about batting average, and that baseball is more about run production than plate discipline.

While you are correct that his career BA is around .250, his career OBP is close to .400.

We're talking about a guy who has almost averaged 100 runs, 40 HRs, 100 RBI, 100+ walks, and a .900 OPS for six straight years.

Adam Dunn creates a lot of runs.

Or maybe the Braves should just try to snag Mark Teahen from the Frenchy-loving Dayton Moore.

Angel Pagan or Jeremy Reed + a low level prospect for Willingham, or add in a decent P for Dunn or Johnson

I would say Schafer for Willingham and a low level prospect would be good for both teams.

Parrothead8, I'm not saying Adam Dunn doesn't have discipline or patience, I'm saying thats what the braves need. One single bat, even if it was Albert Pujols, would not fix all of our problems. Instead of trying to trade for or buy a big bat, we need to learn how to hit better. They know how to hit, just seem to have forgotten. I know Adam Dunn gets on base alot and drives in alot of runs, but production is based on the hitters in front of him. If we can barely muster a hit like the braves have been lately, then hes not going to produce much. I would love to have him, but the nats would want some good prospects, such as schafer. If the braves actually had a good chance to make it to the playoffs then i would advocate the trade.

Quote: "What would the Braves want from the Nationals in order to even consider trading Schafer? Secondly, why would they want to trade him?"

Cause Nate's in front of him and Schafer has no power like Nate does. If Jordan can get us players like Willingham or Dunn in return, then I'm all for it. Of course it would not be Jordan alone in order to get that deal done.

"They're 6 games under .500 with one of the best pitching staffs in baseball.

Posted by: csg"

Wouldn't this be a reason for needing/adding some offense?

They're 6 games under but they're also only 5 games back atm (could be more or less by the time you read this...lol) but point is they have one of the worse offense's as well and there still not out of it at this point. I see no reason why adding some offensive help couldn't put them in the running for the division. Specially if that offense help replaces one of your weakest bats in the lineup.

Chris Young from the Diamondbacks would be a perfect fit and not too much of a gamble. Problem that the Nats have is in matching up with the d'backs on something in return.

I would say Schafer for Willingham and a low level prospect would be good for both teams.

Posted by: xethicx | June 27, 2009 at 11:23 PM


Uh, no!! Schafer is a blue chip prospect. Why would they trade him for an older player and a "low level" prospect in a season where they have no chance at making the playoffs?

It would make NO sense for the Braves to trade Jordan Schafer, especially since they just traded Gorkys. McLouth is a good centerfielder but Jordan is a GREAT centerfielder. When Jordan gets over his hand injury he is a future five tool outfielder. He can hit for power and also steal bases plus play A defense. The future outfield of the Braves is McLouth, Schafer and Heyward.

If anything, the Braves need to be trading their older players for young guys, not vice versa.

Willingham would be a great addition *if* the Braves could get him away from the Nats Bravesalltheway. I watched him for years on the Fish, you give this guy steady AB's as a regular and this guy will CRUSH the baseball and play adequate "D" as a corner OF. Maybe try and send them Frenchy as a salary dump, pay his ENTIRE salary, then give them a good prospect as well and Willingham will more than out produce Garret Anderson and provide power, he would be capable of hitting middle of order with McCann and Jones easily.

Willingham would be a good addition.....but not at the expense of giving up a blue chip prospect like Schafer. I would give up no more than two mid level prospects for him. I doubt the Nats would want Frenchy.

The Braves can't take on any additional salary this year so that will limit them with whatever moves they make.

"Willingham would be a good addition.....but not at the expense of giving up a blue chip prospect like Schafer."

I understand that. Have never really heard what exactly type of prospect that they are looking for in return, only that he was available and has been rotating w/Kearns in the Nat's OF.

"Hammer" Willingham has 2 years left under team control, so the Braves would not be getting a short term rental of protection if they could somehow grab this guy. he could really be a perfect fit. The guy hustles 100% of the time on both offense and defense and is a crowd favorite wherever he plays.

Dickerson. Taveras. Please take one of them from us.

Hey you can send Elijah Dukes to the White Sox and the Nats can have Brian Anderson and Dewane Wise...

The Twins still have a logjam in the outfield and would have Gomez and Span who would meet the Nats' defensive needs. Delmon Young is the guy the Twins would like to deal, of course. Span is probably close to untouchable.

Twins might like to have Christian Guzman back.

So the Nationals have Adam Dunn, Josh Willingham, Austin Kearns, Elijah Dukes, Lastings Milledge, Corey Patterson, Justin Maxwell, Willie Harris, Roger Bernadina, Michael Burgess, Destin Hood and J.P. Ramirez in the organzation, but they're looking at going after Jordan Schafer?

Shouldn't the Nationals be trying to add pitching and middle infielders, where they have an absolute dearth?

Adam Dunn and Josh Willingam for Jordan Schafer and Brandon Hicks?

Destin Hood should've went to Bama. He could of played for a title this coming season.

"Shouldn't the Nationals be trying to add pitching and middle infielders, where they have an absolute dearth?

Adam Dunn and Josh Willingam for Jordan Schafer and Brandon Hicks?"
That is one of the fairest trades I've seen posted Scribble. Would greatly help both teams.

scribble i would never do that why wouldnt you try to work out a package with the orioles for brian roberts and luke scott send them frenchy/kjohnson/jjreyes/and 2 minor leaguers if it took more then ok but dont send schafer no where he is the future

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