Phillies, Rangers Interested In Wang

hahahahaha, this has got to be one of the funniest headlines i've seen in a long time. i wonder if wang will be able to go deep for whoever gets him. i'd hate for wang to flop, boy that'd be embarrassing.

Wang + Kennedy + Gardner + Matsui
for
Josh Hamilton

hmm...

"Wang + Kennedy + Gardner + Matsui
for
Josh Hamilton"

Yeah.. That's not remotely close...

There isnt a package either team could put together that would equal what Wang is worth. Hes at a low point right now and you never sell low. This is a guy who won 19 games his first 2 seasons and was at 8 wins last year when he was hurt at not even the midway point of the year.
The only reason these teams think he could be had is because hes at a low and they think they can steal him from the Yankees. You dont trade a guy who has ace stuff who is under team control for atleast another 2 seasons after this one.
Why dont the Phillies and Rangers go see if Lincecum or Greinke is available for a handful of prospects and an outfielder.

meLLo,

you my friend are crazy. there's no way we part with what you say for a pitcher just reaching arbitration who struggled mightily earlier this year. Oh and you can have Marson but its Drabek and Taylor and Brown I won't give up.

oh and the yanks aren't dealing him. they won't sell this low.

I dont know if Id trade Wang since both Aceves and Hughes are needed in the pen...
That being said
Wang for a good 8th inning pitcher and a young arm would be feasible. Wang for Huston Street and another Rockies starter to me might make sense. Hughes becomes a starter, Street in the 8th...
If they trade Wang and Petite doesnt come back the Yanks would be in the market for a starter like a Roy Halliday for example...

What I mean is during the offseason the Yanks would go after Halliday if Wang is dealt and Petite doesnt come back. Well if he does, the could still sign a starter..
The Yanks have some options...

The Yankees rnt tht stupid to trade Wang. Cuz if Andy dont come back next year we could try to get "the doc" Roy Halladay then we could have Halladay, CC, AJ, Wang and Hughes. Move Joba to the bullpen to be our future closer, after Mo retires, and boom the most feared and dominate team in baseball. So Philly fans dont get ur hopes up on Wang hes stayin with us.

Theoretically, can both sides of a deal "sell high"?

If Wang continues to pitch this way this way in the future, and you traded him now, woudlnt you be selling high?

And generally, are players who are on the highest of their upside traded that often by a contender?

"i'd hate for wang to flop, boy that'd be embarrassing."

Cue Peter Griffin laugh.

Why on Earth would the Yankees even entertain offers for Wang?

Sabathia, Burnett, Chamberlain, Pettitte, and...?

Hughes?...he has been inconsistent in the rotation but markedly better in the 'pen

Aceves?...unproven as a starter, Ramiro Mendoza-esque in the 'pen

The Yankees would be very foolish to trade away Wang right now. Granted, he hasn't been the Wang of old but he could very well snap back to form. Back-to-back 19 win seasons should be a proven record enough to hold onto him and see if he can pull through.

Cashman has made some dumb moves but if he trades Wang...well...

Phillies should get Wang if his trading price is low. He won't give up a lot of homerun in your ballpark and keep team in the game. He might help team win at least 10 games in second half even if he dosen't pitch like old wang. Phillies will get anohter Ace if he pitch well like past years. Nothing to lose.

"Phillies, Rangers Interested in Wang"

Ummm, errr, aaaa, hmmmm...if only the Yanks could get up for that it might relieve alot of the pressure they're feeling at this point. But, right now they're still down on the Red Sox who are proving to be much stiffer competition than the Yanks expected. And let's face it, coming from behind isn't a position the Yanks are used to...they're more of a pay-the-money and hope to score kind of team. So the Phils and Rangers will need to deal with the Yank's strong needs and desires head-on in making any deals to get Wang. Still, with all the big bangers on that Yankee roster they should be able to compensate if they finally do give up Wang. Hopefully it'll be for more than a bag of balls. I'm guessing that between the three participants there's a good fit someplace.

"The Yanks won't trade him unless they get blown away."

Right now, his trade value is not exactly that of a 19 game winner and Wang is not exactly "blowing anybody away" either.

If the Yankees are expecting top notch people back, then they had better just hang onto him, because expecting a haul with Josh Hamilton's name attached I seriously doubt will happen, even if he comes back and pitches lights out the rest of the year.

BTW: All Yankee fans have to celebrate when Wangs ERA goes below 10.

The Phillies dont even have any prospects that would be worth entertaining for Wang. They pretty much gutted the system last year for Blanton. If they had anything worth using at the moment they would be worth using and the Yankees arent now, nor have they ever, been sellers. If Cashman is going to trade a guy in their rotation hes going to want somebody in return who they can use now, not after another 2 years of development.
Trading Wang now isnt selling low on a 5th man, its selling low on a guy who could anchor a rotation and did so as recently as last year. His problems are mechanics and once he figures it out he will be back to normal.

Does anyone else see the flaw in the Yankees considering trading Wang?

It leaves a hole in their rotation with question marks as potential answers. In addition, whoever they plug into Wang's spot (Hughes, Aceves as a long shot) would significantly weaken an already unpredictable bullpen.

Yes, Wang has been atrocious at times and mediocre at best lately, but the potential is still there. Maybe not this season as he likely still isn't 100% but why rush to trade a 19-game winner?

Gardner has super potential baseballnuts, but has not played enough at the MLB level to show he can be a solid MLB player as a starter. Matsui is a DH and a highly overpaid one in the eyes of the Rangers that they cannot afford and do not need. Kennedy is nothing that the Rangers do not already have an abundance of already of already in superior quality of already at the AA and above levels and does them no good and Wang is at this point, being sold for 50 cents on the dollar. You do not trade on the the best half dozen hitters in the league for basically 1 maybe OF and a pitcher who has yet to be effective since recovering from an injury 1 year ago.

The Yankees are going to have to keep throwing Wang out there every 5 days and let him take his lumps until he gets his game back, move him to the BP again, convince him to go on the DL and work with him in the minors on some kind of rehab stint afterward, or trade him for far, far less than a Hamilton type player. Not even neal Huntington would do anything foolish like that.

Why do people always misread a situation? All the article or "tweet" says is that the Phillies and Rangers are interested in Wang. Never did it say, or even imply, that the Yanks were shopping Wang. Of course if a team is interested in him, then Cash would have to at least field the call and listen to him, but since when has anyone known the Yanks to simply trade a player mid-season, while in a pennant race, for prospects? The only deal I can think of was for Sheffield and Randy Johnson and both those deals took place during the offseason and in Sheffs case they were dealing from strength and with Randy he sismply wanted out. There's ZERO reason for the Yanks to sell low on Wang. An OF prospect might be the only thing we need but unless it's centered around Mayberry then the conversation goes no further. Yanks are going to keep Wang around and HUghes will remain in the pen unless someone goes down. Then next year Pettite will probably retire and the Yanks will try and right Wang and go with a five man rotation of CC, AJ, Wang, Joba and HUghes. Simply doesn't make enough sense for me to believe that the Yanks are shopping Wang. If anything the vultures are circling and hoping the Yanks will sell low. Not going to happen. Can you imagine if Wang were traded, one of the Yanks starters struggle or get inured and Wang turns things around for the 2nd half? Do you really think Cash would put himself in that position to be 2nd guessed?

"Suggestions anyone???"

I think it could be a wide array of guys.

Anyone from Savery, Marson, D'Arnaud, Donald, Collier, Happ or Taylor is a reasonable possibility.

I can't imagine that it was Drabek, Brown, Knapp, or Carrasco.

Posted by: scribbletone | July 04, 2009 at 11:35 AM

People can give me crap about this but I'd take Taylor off that list and put him with the others. He's a serious triple crown threat in the Eastern League and should have moved up to Lehigh valley already.

For Yankees fans think Austin Jackson with already realized power potential and more plate discipline. Sure he's older than jackson but who cares if he comes in and plays 7-10 years in the majors instead of 10-13? It worked for Utley and Howard to come up in their mid+ twenties and no Phillies fan is complaining now nor should they. I'd rather see them overachieve in the minors and force a move (Utley forced Polanco, Howard forced Thome) than have them struggle for 2-3 years in the majors. And for those teams with a budget it maximizes their productive years.

"The Phillies dont even have any prospects that would be worth entertaining for Wang. They pretty much gutted the system last year for Blanton."

rofl. yeah im sure the yankees wouldnt accept 21 year old 5 tool outfielder dominic brown, or maybe michael taylor leading AA in a majority of statistical categories, or carlos carrasco, idiot. have fun with the OF of damon, gardner and melky lmao.

happ isnt going anywhere, especially for wang. the phillies. and if you are going to compare anyone to jackson it might as well be dominic brown, the phillies #1 prospect, not taylor who is like #6.

scribbletone,

What people forget about Taylor is that he went to college and had to take a full year to get rid of the "Stanford swing".

Taylor's size (6'6 250) doesn't allow him to cover the ground necessary for centerfield but he has a plus arm and plus speed (15 SB in AA). He'll be a corner outfielder in Philly replacing Werth sooner or later and his production will be just as good as Werth's if projections hold up which to this point they have.

If you compare Ryan Howard's minor league numbers while in AA around the same age while Howard had more home runs than Taylor projects to Taylor has much better plate discipline and thus hits for a much better average which i'd prefer anyway. Plus he's much better defensively than Howard.

If they move Taylor up to AAA after the AA all star break and he does as well there I see no reason why the Phils shouldn't trade Werth in the offseason along with other talent for a #2 starter and allow Taylor to start 2010 in right field in Philly. I'd be fine with that.

If we have to give up Taylor or Brown, I'd rather not get Wang. I agree with philsWSchamps, in that we should trade Werth for a starter and call up Taylor.

I wouldn't mind so much giving away Marson, or maybe even Jason Donald. After all, Donald's going to be blocked by Rollins/Utley forever.

@Zero: Seriously man, don't talk like you know anything about the Phils' farm if you think they "gutted" the system for Blanton.

They gave up Cardenas (ok prospect), Spencer (not a good prospect) and Josh Outman..the 4th or 5th-best pitching prospect in the farm.

doubt wang will be going anywhere now, seeing as he left the game in the sixth inning with a shoulder strain, so it looks like hughes will be going back into the rotation where he belongs:)

This strain is actually a good thing for the Yanks, they can truthfully get rid of him short term and stash him on the DL, then get him help with a pro longed rehab stint. Hopefully, both him and Matsuzaka will make it back come September and be back to the excellent ways that they were last season and they can just write off 2009 as lost seasons, this happens some times.

NYY will just have top hope that Hughes can step up and handle the pressure of the situation, they have 3 weeks or so to find out, or make a trade for a replacement for the rest of the season.

They gave up Cardenas (ok prospect), Spencer (not a good prospect) and Josh Outman..the 4th or 5th-best pitching prospect in the farm.

Posted by: Muggi | July 04, 2009 at 02:48 PM

and IF Outman was still in our system now he'd be around the 10th best pitching prospect well below Drabek, Carrasco, Carpenter, Worley, Knapp, Cloyd. He may get you a couple wins in the majors but when people see him and know what he brings he'll get hit a bit and he'll gravitate towards what he is, a middle reliever. Same goes for Bastardo. When he comes back, assuming its this year, I'd love to see him as a 6th or 7th inning guy although we've got Eyre and Romero but to me Bastardo is better than Eyre, not as good as Romero.

@yanksfansince78, i wasnt saying happ is "too good" to be traded to the yanks for wang, it just wouldnt make sense for the phillies to trade away a guy who is now part of their rotation and pitching well for another guy in the rotation who might not even do as well and is older.