Red Sox "Desperately" Want To Move Lugo

His defense is just so so bad. It's painful to watch.

I want to marry a supermodel but I just dont see it happening

Try the Royals. They'll take anything for a good prospect or 2.

can anyone say milton bradly for julio lugo

I absolutely agree that the Sox should cut Lugo. I mean, a .257/.326/.395 line that comes with an unsustainable BABIP, line drive rate and infield fly rate is just unacceptable from your starting shortstop.

Oh, wait, that's Nick Green.

billmo:Try the Royals. They'll take anything for a good prospect or 2.

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Nah. The Royals already fulfilled their annual "Acquire a crap SS" quota with Betancourt.

Oh yes.. I'm smelling a match made in heaven. Dbacks unload Eric Byrnes for Lugo (mentioned way back when). Bad contract for bad contract. Dbacks then unload malcontent Felipe Lopez to the Brewers!

I really do think the Braves and Boston line up well with their shortstops.

Escobar and Kotchman

and

Buchholz, Bard and Green

Lowrie becomes the backup and Lugo is released while Kotchman can play first if Lowell can not get healthy, stay healthy, or play every day.

As a Braves fan I may be overvalueing Escobar but I'm guessing he could be had with the right package offered.

Hmmm, let's see.

- Latino
- Terrible defense
- Overpaid

Sounds like an Omar Minaya Special. Book him a flight to New York.

The Tribe would easily get on the phone and sway any team's SS interest towards Carrol, or even Peralta.

The cost in prospects would be higher, sure, but the salary hit would be less than half Lugo's for Peralta, and less than a quarter for Carrol.

Both are better players, as well.

""I really do think the Braves and Boston line up well with their shortstops.

Escobar and Kotchman

and

Buchholz, Bard and Green"

that is a terrible trade for the redsox because they give up a top of the rotation starter a future closer and nick green for a decent firstbaseman and a shortstop when they could just release lugo and start lowrie"

It's an even worse one for the Braves, who trade away two consistent hitters from a lineup that can't score runs, and add to a staff that's already one of the best in the NL, and by far the NL East. They need a bat more than anything currently.

I am a Sox fan and cheer for Lugo all the time. I really wanted him to turn it around, but unfortunately Lugo had some setbacks and its been a tough run in Boston.

That being said, I dont see how the Red Sox can move him with the $9 million anchor scaring every possible trade partner away. If the Sox are simply gonna eat most of the contract and get almost nothing in return, maybe just releasing him is a viable and humane option to end a mutually unproductive venture.

I know its popular to throw Daniel Bard in every trade speculation, but I truly believe that Bard is almost untouchable. Not for his talent, which I think he does have a fair amount, but bc Bard is Theo's leverage and safety net with Papelbon.

I see Papelbon's future being similar to K-Rod, either walking into FA and the Sox picking up a draft pick or two or being traded in an off season.

Why are people proposing bad contract swaps here? The point is that the Red Sox need to clear roster space, so the last thing they are looking for is a different bad contract. That ship sailed last winter.

They'll try to find a taker to get a B- prospect for Lugo+$$$, and when that doesn't work, they will release him.

What white players from the Pac-10 replaced Manny, Tavares and Wily Mo?

I really wonder whether the Royals would have been better served to trade for Lugo than Betancourt. Sure, he makes more money, but if the Sox kicked in something, they probably would have been happy with the prospects Seattle got, no? Lugo's not great, but he's miles ahead of Yuniesky (sp?)

just give him his outright release, he sucks so bad it wont be worth the time and effort to get the little prospect we could get for eating all the money anyway, just let him be a cautionary tale

"No to Lowe gotta give up Hanson the kid killed Us and NY"

wow

Last time I checked Jacoby Ellsbury is Native American, Jason Bay is from Canada, Julian Tavarez got replaced by a guy from Tokyo and Ned Colletti wishes he never resigned Manny.

Papi was really treated with disrespect in April and May...I mean the Nation only asked for curtain calls on his first five homers...how disrespectful. They should of asked at least the first ten.

midtown, your theory really does not hold much water....

"it's doubtful that Lugo would appeal to many of them."

Shouldn't that be "any of them"?

Jason Bay Gonzaga of the WCC.

Wily Mo Pena's best chance to start was the season after they let Trot go, but the Sox signed JD Drew instead. (Florida St/ACC) Wily Mo was not equipped for the 4th OF/Right Handed bat off the bench role. He only seemed to do well when getting regular playing time, where he showed flashes in Cinci, Boston (06) and Washington. The sox didn't have room in their OF to play him everyday, so they traded him (In August).

Tavarez' ultimate role with the sox due to poor pitching was long reliever/emergency starter. He was released in May.

The red sox are the most retarted team in the world who traded Haney lol not even cashman would trade him for halladay lmao

Hanley Ramirez continues to show that immaturity with the Marlins that the Red Sox mentioned. It has nothing to do with him being bad mouthed as a Dominican.

http://www.nbcchicago.com/sports/baseball/Hanley-Throws-Fit-Over-Marlins-Hairy-Rules.html

Julian Tavarez was actually a favorite in Boston, for his personality, not his play. His pitching was atrocious. I am actually quite fond of the guy. Liked him a lot.

Wily Mo Pena couldn't hit a pitch if his life depended upon it. Every time he got up to bat, it was either a strikeout or a homer. 9 times out of 10 it was a K. Nothing to do with being latino.

Manny Ramirez was a product of his own immaturity. He was baseball's equivalent of TO. He physically attacked an old man for crying out loud. It has nothing to do with being latino.

And to Hanley Ramirez. His disciplinary problems have nothing to do with being latino. From what I've heard Clay Buchholz has a history of getting into trouble and thus is possibly on the trading block. Is he latino?

Foolish, foolish comments. Think before you post.

I must say I am disappointed with my Sox on this one. They need to just waive him and move on; spending any time trying to trade Lugo is the same as sending good money after bad.

If the Jays couldn't find a home for BJ Ryan, the Sox won't find a home for Lugo. Ryan at least represents a once dominate lefty who has an outside chance of finding his arm again. Lugo never was good, and somehow managed to find a way to become even worse.

What team would give up even mediocre organizational depth at the single A level for a $9 million dollar player that can't hit or field?

(unfortunately for the Red Sox, the Royals already traded for Betancourt, who might be the only less talented major league short stop; of course Betancourt doesn't cost $9 mill)

We must really hate Lugo to pay him 36 million over 4 yrs. Imagine how disrespected he feels when he's making withdrawals at the bank! Poor guy!

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Hey..if the Sox wanna include a GOOD pitching prospect..or one of their 7 young starters..they can take Arroyo.

If they want Harang they would have to throw in some real talent, because Harang is much better than Arroyo, and Lugo has negative value."

Why would the Red Sox want anything to do with that? Arroyo is worse than any pitcher on our current roster, so he doesn't suit any needs. The Sox would literally be better off outright releasing Lugo.

I hate to say it, but if the Sox are eating the majority of his salary he actually makes some sense for the Mets. Minaya went after him a couple times, and they certainly have a need with Reyes out.

"It always cracks me up when ignorant bandwagon fans of other teams"

Couple funny things here.
1) As far as I can tell Midtown is a documented Red Sox fan.

2) I think it's hilarious when the guy named RED SOX DYNASTY calls someone else an ignorant bandwagon fan.

giles for lugo-to bad contarcts who are owed for the same amount and both will do better for the new teams.

"just give him his outright release, he sucks so bad it wont be worth the time and effort to get the little prospect we could get for eating all the money anyway, just let him be a cautionary tale"

Put yourself in Theo's place. How much time and effort would you be willing to put in to save your boss at least one of the millions of dollars that you blew on this guy?

"All I'm saying is that if the Red Sox get any whiter, they'll have to trade in their batting helmets for hoods.

Posted by: midtown | July 16, 2009 at 05:47 PM "

Did your mom not hold you enough as a baby? You're clearly just baiting for attention. Go find somewhere else to stir the pot.

Facts of BB that nobody is going to take on:

Lugo
Willis
Giles
Robertson
Byrnes
Kearns

No team is going to swap any of those players amongst themselves and eat $1 extra in the swap since none of them are worth the roster space, much less usable as AA talent, much less on a MLB squad.

The sooner Boston just goes ahead and dumps Lugo, the happier the Sox pitching staff and all of Sox nation will be.

Good riddance Lugo and may the your next stop be the Independent leagues should you wish to continue playing.

All I'm saying is that if the Red Sox get any whiter, they'll have to trade in their batting helmets for hoods.

Posted by: midtown | July 16, 2009 at 05:47 PM
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This is sick to make a comment disparaging a ML baseball team and a city accusing both as being the KKK! What total crap! The earlier assertions made to "document" the racism of the current Boston team and City are historic - meaning in the past, over. Their ownership is completely different from the one that was racist (as was almost all of the owners in that time period). The City has had racial problems like every other city in the Country - but, that too is in past.

The Red Sox have a Native American and several Latin American and Japanese players. None are considered to be Caucasian (may be Lowell but he is Puerto Rican). There is a Canadian (ok - he is white).

BTW, I am not a Red Sox fan, I am an Orioles fan but this comparison is way over the top. Manny Ramirez was supported by the fans for all of his years in Boston and he cried about not having enough privacy while using PEDs. Julio Lugo is a wife beater and he is making millions at a game that he sucks at, Pena can't play at all and Tavarez has such temper tantrums that every team was happy to get rid of him. Ortiz was kept in the line-up for almost two months without producing anything on a team that has serious WS aspirations. The Red Sox and their fans stuck by him and cheered him every chance they could. I have heard serious boos for J.D. Drew, a white player. Oh and how about those Celtics - they look like every other team in the NBA.

We (the Reds) will gladly take him, as long as the Sox pick up the tab and we give up a junk prospect.

they should be able to find a partner if they are willing to eat almost all of his salary.

the red sox need to rethink how they evaluate the ss position. theo has made some bad calls signing players.

also i do not think jed lowrie is the long term answer. do they have any ss prospects close to being ready and acutally good?

"the Red Sox "have informed teams that they are willing to assume virtually all of shortstop Julio Lugo's remaining salary in a trade." He also says that Boston realizes Lugo is a sunk cost at this point, and would accept a fringe prospect in return for him."

You know, I am kind of shocked. They have held on to him this long in hopes of getting a fringe prospect? You mean, like the ones you can often get for a PTBNL or Cash Considerations?

Why havent they just released him already? Is it purely a saving face thing, because let me tell you, the cats already out of the bag on this one! There is no face to save here. When he has been a running joke for years, its time to just cut your losses and send him on his way.

"Oh and how about those Celtics - they look like every other team in the NBA."

They may look the same, but the Celtics were the first team to draft a black player, the second team (by a few hours) to play a black player, the first team with an all-black starting lineup, and the first team with a black coach. Definitely a racist outfit.

"You know, I am kind of shocked. They have held on to him this long in hopes of getting a fringe prospect?"

No, they had him this long waiting for Lowrie to get back. They had no one in the minors who was even good enough to back up at SS. The injury-desperation move would have been to call up Denker to play 2B and shift Pedroia to short. Alternatively, there's a good field, no-hit SS at AA Portland.

Their best SS prospect has been pitching in single-A until now.

The Sox has to sell Lugo as a utility player, mainly for the outfield...

I can see many teams picking up Lugo, after he clears waivers, then he can be signed for the MLB minimum. He is hitting alright right now, and his speed is an asset.

He is not worth $9 million or $4.5 million. My guess is that a team will wait until the Sox DFA him.

I think the problem with Theo Epstein is that he gets hook on certain players, and goes all out in getting them. Matt Clement was one of them, because he was in love with his Strikeout ratio. For Shortstop, The Sox FO want a high OBP infielder with an okay glove. The Sox could had kept Alex Gonzalez after the 2006 season, but they want more of what Edgar Renteria mode of higher BA and average defense.

Lugo was more of a Renteria clone when he was signed, but he turned out to be an awful shortstop, he has the physical prowess, just not the baseball smarts. He is more of an outfielder, which he played with the Dodgers.

Theo has had some incredible hits, namely a certain player he got off waivers by the name of David Ortiz, and another average reliever by the name of Hideki Okajima. He also had some huge stinkers, mainly some of his 2003 trades.

the one in which he very miss the bullet was Carl Pavano, given he offered more money to Pavano than what the Yankees offered him in 2004-2005.

he also should have resigned orlando cabrera after '04. everyone would have been happy with that even if they overpaid for him. and it would have avoided all of the mess they are still stuck in.

"No, they had him this long waiting for Lowrie to get back. They had no one in the minors who was even good enough to back up at SS. The injury-desperation move would have been to call up Denker to play 2B and shift Pedroia to short. Alternatively, there's a good field, no-hit SS at AA Portland."

Dude, he has started all of 8 games in the last month and a half. Green has nearly twice as many PA on the season. There was NO reason to hold on to him until Lowrie got back. Gil Velazquez could have backed up Green over that time.

"he also should have resigned orlando cabrera after '04. everyone would have been happy with that even if they overpaid for him. and it would have avoided all of the mess they are still stuck in."

I suspect they would have been in a different mess. Something off-field happened toward the end of the 2004 season that punched Cabrera's ticket out of town. The Sox have never talked about what it was, but there's a reason he's been with 5 teams in the last 6 years, and it's not his playing ability.

"Dude ... Gil Velazquez could have backed up Green over that time."

How could I have forgotten the mighty Gil Velazquez? With his .182 major league OBP. He's tearing up the International League with his .203 BA.

The camera man just caught me digging for Gold, again. So I can guarantee freshness. Could I also get some sugar cubes and a diaper change?

Lugo has been beaten to a pulp in RSN and every blog board I've seen. I think it's a bit over the top, frankly. I am a dyed-in-the-wool Sox fan and obviously agree that Lugo should not have been signed for 4 years, and certainly not for anywhere $9MM per. But if they pay $10MM of the $13MM he is owed, which they will, someone will give up a AA prospect for a solid ML back-up/pinch-hitter who noone expects to play Gold Glove defense anyway.

"Come on, you said you didnt have anyone in house to back-up your back-up short stop. Well, you did."

And I stand by that statement. A guy hitting .203 in the minors is not an option.

"Fact: Red Sox BY FAR last team integrate African-American players

Fact: Many players have whispered or outright said that being a minority baseball player in Boston is the harder then any other team/town.

Fact: Boston has a long reputation of being a racist town.

I don't know about the comments of the poster who lumped in Willy Mo Pena, Taveras, etc. but it's not idle speculation to wonder if race plays a role in Boston sports."
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FACT: 2 or your 3 "FACTS" are opinions.

Race does play a role in Boston Sports, ask Red Auerbach, Bill Russell, KC Jones, JoJo White, Satch Sanders, etc, etc. The Celtics are the Dodgers of the NBA when it comes to integration.

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"All I'm saying is that if the Red Sox get any whiter, they'll have to trade in their batting helmets for hoods."

Midtown, your selective memory is hilarious. So now Ellsbury is white? Dice-K, Tazawa and Okie are now white guys too? Manny Del Carmen, R. Ramirez? White guys as well? How about that first round draft pick Raymend Fuentes? White guy?

You just keep making foolish statements. You kind of sound like Laker fan trying to say the Celtics are racists bc KC Jones had the nerve to start Larry Bird, Kevin McHale and Danny Ainge.

I cannot believe Midtown actually believes the Hanley Ramirez was made for disciplinary or racial reasons. I think i was made to aquire a top of the rotation starter, (not to mention one of the best post season performers). Also the whole reacist boston thing doesnt hold much water anymore (it used to). Ortiz is one of the most celebrated boston athletes in the past 10 years and he is dominican.