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The Red Sox have "some interest" in Scott Rolen, according to Jeff Blair of the Globe and Mail. Mike Lowell should be able to return to Boston's lineup soon, but his health remains a concern for the Red Sox. Blair points out that Terry Francona, who managed Rolen from 1997-2000 in Philadelphia, remains a big fan of the third baseman.
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i dont get it. how can they have more interest in an older more coslty player when atkins is probably the better option. i dont understand this move, i still think that atkins is the main goal for the sox, this is just a backup plan
Posted by: 04Forever | July 14, 2009 at 03:52 PM
Rolen is so much better than Atkins that it's almost not funny.
People seem to forget that there was a time when Rolen was one of the very best players in the game, and he's still a very good defensive third baseman.
He's been a line drive machine this year (26.5% LD), and while his walk rate is down, he's also striking out at a lower rate than at any other point in his career.
He appears to have changed his approach at the plate to try to make more square contact rather than trying to muscle up on the ball, considering that his flyball rate is down and his line drive rate is way up, as well as his walk and K rates.
Rolen is still a very good third baseman and a massive improvement from Garrett Atkins.
Posted by: scribbletone | July 14, 2009 at 03:55 PM
besides, rolen has a hefty pay day coming next year for such unreliable year-to-year numbers, i think its silly to take this on. sure, hes hot now, but with lowell being close in age and how its starting to look like he will be fine again, i dont see why the sox trade for a full time player and take on money to create another logjam right next to the other position where they have no logjam. trade for a heavy hitting firstbaseman if anything, move youk and move on
Posted by: 04Forever | July 14, 2009 at 03:56 PM
i'm a jays fan, and like most of us, was not too pleased with the glaus for rolen deal. let's just put it this way, jays fans now have a tongue-in-cheek nickname for rolen - GBOAT, or "greatest blue jay of all time." rolen has adapted his offensive game to his shoulder issues and now hits for a high average, he plays spectacular 3rd base, and just plays hard, all around. always heads-up on the basepath, does not make stupid mistakes, all-around pro. atkins maybe younger and cheaper, but he also sucks. bear that in mind.
Posted by: plaing | July 14, 2009 at 03:57 PM
im not saying atkins is better at all, im talking about team needs. the team needs a short term solution to the end of the year and waiting to see if Lowell can come back yet again. atkins is cheaper and is a free agent after this year if im not mistaken. atkins is getting hotter and fits for a temporary solution
Posted by: 04Forever | July 14, 2009 at 03:58 PM
and why is halladay tagged for this article? doesnt he have enough talk about him, we have to dedicate more to him when hes not even being discussed?
Posted by: 04Forever | July 14, 2009 at 04:01 PM
It's not bad idea. Basically is the same ball player. Espero que sea un cambio justo y no desperdicien prospectos por Rolen.
Posted by: titere_21 | July 14, 2009 at 04:01 PM
I too would rather the Sox go for a heavy hitting first baseman, as 04Forever suggests.... but name one that is available. As for Rolen vs. Atkins, Rolen would probably come cheaper, in terms of what the Sox would have to give up.
Posted by: onlythegood16 | July 14, 2009 at 04:03 PM
atkins maybe younger and cheaper, but he also sucks. bear that in mind
- that was funny but true
as a sox fan id love to see rolen play for us but where do they put him would they swap lowell for rolen and would they trade him in the division im not buying this rumor
Posted by: zeppelin3593 | July 14, 2009 at 04:03 PM
but could we get scott rolen for just michael bowden if the jays would accept that id do it
Posted by: zeppelin3593 | July 14, 2009 at 04:05 PM
Of everyone I've heard linked to the Sox, taking the likely cost in prospects/$$$ into account, Rolen is probably my first choice. 04Forever, if we just acquire a stopgap until the end of the year, we're likely going to be going through this situation with Lowell again next year and we'll end up paying even more in prospects. He's been a constant question mark for about a year now and expecting that we'll go into next season with him as anything but a question mark is a bit reckless.
Posted by: gfulla | July 14, 2009 at 04:08 PM
"Red Sox have "some interest" in Scott Rolen"
I'm sorry, did someone forget to wake me? Is it still 1998???
Posted by: XCal1bur | July 14, 2009 at 04:16 PM
Jays traded for Glaus because they had no 3B prospect, then when Glaus wouldn't play on turf anymore they traded him for Rolen because they still didn't have a 3B prospect. Kevin Ahrens and Balbino Fuenmayor are on the way to scrubbing out. Are the Sox offering a 3B prospect?
Posted by: Torgen | July 14, 2009 at 04:18 PM
No chance in hell this is legit. So the Sox turn down Nick Johnson and his 5 mil for Manny Delcarmen but will trade a top pitching prospect like Bowden for Rolen and his 22 mil prorated over 2 years? The Sox don't operate like this unless the player is a stud or has potential, not old,overpaid and injury prone. The only way this happens is to drive down the price for Halladay by taking on one of their bloated contracts. Say Bowden, Lars, Lowrie, and Reddick for Doc and either Rios or Rolen, definitely not Wells or the price drops even more!
Posted by: RED SOX DYNASTY! | July 14, 2009 at 04:22 PM
Rolen wont go to the Red Sox.
End..
Posted by: xethicx | July 14, 2009 at 04:31 PM
zeppelin:
So you would like to trade the Red Sox #4 prospect, our #2 starting pitching prospect in Bowden for a 34 year old, injury prone 3B who is on the hook for another $11M next season? Are you serious? That would be the worst deal on Theo's record by a wide margin. If the Sox trade for Rolen, it will be for a middle of the road prospect and salary relief.
As for why the Sox would consider Rolen, well they may be concerned that Lowell can play effectively the rest of the year (and possibly into next). They pick up a guy who can play very good defense and is solid with the bat (essentially another Mike Lowell) that would allow the team to rotate time off for Youk and Lowell. If Lowell turns out to be in worse condition than they originally thought, they have a veteran replacement ready. Once Lowrie comes back, the team can get rid of Lugo and have Lowrie/Green for the middle IF and Youk/Lowell/Rolen for the corners. The team would still need to make another roster move, but that could come with another trade or injury.
Then the team can worry about the Lowell/Rolen issue in the offseason and trade one for a middle of the road prospect.
But in no world does Scott Rolen bring back Michael Bowden.
Posted by: Papelboner | July 14, 2009 at 04:42 PM
It all depends on how healthy Lowell is because if he is done physically then Rolen is a lot better than Atkins who people overrate because of his nice year a couple of years back...
I mean Atkins can't hit for squat in Colorado...
I'd take Rolen in a heartbeat .. if it means giving up a B+ prospect then I would think about it seriously.. Not Buchholz or Anderson but Bard for sure (bullpen guys are a dime a dozen) ..
Posted by: cortez101 | July 14, 2009 at 04:55 PM
sidebar ... I am still not convinced Bowden is going to be anything more than a 3/4 arm ... if that's the difference between a World Series or not... I take the World Series ... no brainer.
Sox have their rotation locked down for the next 3-6 years anyways...
now if we could only get Dice K off the books.... hummm
Posted by: cortez101 | July 14, 2009 at 04:57 PM
from a jays perspective i forgot to say that for rolen the most i would give up would probably be felix doubrant sorry for the confusion but i doubt the jays would take that but regardless this isnt going to happen
Posted by: zeppelin3593 | July 14, 2009 at 05:05 PM
Not happening unless it's a bigger deal that includes Halladay. And since a deal for Halladay isn't happening, well there we go.
Besides, even if Lowell is injured badly, I don't see the Sox making a major move, though my wildest dreams still hope for an Adrian Gonzalez trade. Once Lowrie is off the DL he and Youk can rotate at 3rd, Green stays at short, and well it'd be interesting to see more of what Bates can do. Besides, I'm betting Lowell isn't that injured, all of this is just questions for "just in case."
Posted by: start_wearing_purple | July 14, 2009 at 05:07 PM
depends on how healthy Lowell is because if he is done physically then Rolen is a lot better than Atkins who people overrate because of his nice year a couple of years back...
I mean Atkins can't hit for squat in Colorado...
I'd take Rolen in a heartbeat .. if it means giving up a B+ prospect then I would think about it seriously.. Not Buchholz or Anderson but Bard for sure (bullpen guys are a dime a dozen) ..
Posted by: cortez101 | July 14, 2009 at 04:55 PM
seriously while bullpen arms maybe "a dime a dozen" dominant closers that throw 98 mph consistantly are not common giving up bard for rolen leaves the red soxs without a closer once papelbon leaves which i think he will
sidenote- would anybody else explore bids on papelbon during the offseason with limited years left it might be smart to capitalize on his value and a package of papelbon and decent prospect could get the big bat we need especially if bay leaves what do you guys think?
Posted by: zeppelin3593 | July 14, 2009 at 05:11 PM
Agreed, Daniel Bard is not a "dime a dozen" reliever. He's been sick this year. I have high hopes for a Bard/Papelbon 8/9th inning for the next few years.
I'd be hesitant to even give up Doubront for Rolen, but that is more likely than giving up Bowden and I'd be fine with it. Even if Bowden is a #3/4 type pitcher, that has a ton of value. The Sox control him for 6 years once he hits the bigs and there is a ton of value in a cost-controlled 3/4 pitcher. Guys like Jon Garland ($7M), Ryan Dempster ($8M and climbing) and Jamie Moyer ($6.5M) all signed deals this offseason for more than it will cost the Sox to keep Bowden around and I wouldn't consider anyone of them above a #3 starter at best.
And after this season, the Sox do have some question marks in the rotation. Beckett, Lester, Dice-K are pretty good locks for next year. Wakefield if he decides he wants to keep pitching. There could be potentially 2 openings in the rotation next season, and then the season after that they have to deal with an extension for Beckett.
2010 rotation:
Beckett
Lester
Matsuzaka
Wakefield (?)
Buchholz/Bowden
It's extremely valuable to have guys like Buchholz and Bowden waiting for a turn in AAA and depth at the SP spot is very, very valuable.
Posted by: Papelboner | July 14, 2009 at 05:37 PM
"Say Bowden, Lars, Lowrie, and Reddick for Doc and either Rios or Rolen"
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not even close. to start to get Halladay its Buchholz plus alot.. and thats for just Halladay.
Rolen is worth more than a mediocre prospect. look at his numbers, plus he plays great defense.
if the Jays are trading away Rolen, theyre not taking back any salary.
and dont even try to compare Atkins to Rolen, Atkins is terrible. has anyone even looked at his splits away from Colorado.
i can see the Jays trading away Rolen, but they should be looking for a 3B prospect in return.
the Jays chould also look into trading Marco Scutaro
Posted by: SpecialFNK | July 14, 2009 at 05:39 PM
And after this season, the Sox do have some question marks in the rotation. Beckett, Lester, Dice-K are pretty good locks for next year. Wakefield if he decides he wants to keep pitching. There could be potentially 2 openings in the rotation next season, and then the season after that they have to deal with an extension for Beckett.
i might consider keeping penny he's done his job well and he and beckett are very close then again so were manny and papi but anyways my number 1 concern after singing bay is signing josh beckett to maybe a 4 or 5 year deal similar to lester's
Posted by: zeppelin3593 | July 14, 2009 at 05:57 PM
ZERO chance this happens. This is a red herring put out there to confuse.
The only way the RED SOX EVER take on Rolen is if it was part of a deal to get Halladay..like what they did with Beckett/ Lowell.
That being said I still believe there is no chance the SOX even want Halladay but are making the moves to make sure he doesn't go to the Yankees.
Stories like this and starting Buchholz in TOR are examples of what they're doing to confuse people as to their intentions. They do this alot, it's the same type of strategy they used to keep Santana away from the Yankees.
Posted by: Eric Bousquet | July 14, 2009 at 07:46 PM
This i sneither any sort of done deal or red herring. This is due diligence, pure and simple. As the Sox stand now, they are trying to win the AL East with an infield that starts both Nick Green and Mark Kotsay. While both (especially Green) have played well, it isn't likely. Ideally, they hope Lowrie and Lowell can step in when they get back. But JUST IN CASE, they are clearly exploring 3b, 1b and SS options, and have made this page numerous times in rumors for those positions, figuring they can re-arrange the players they have to make an infield (such as either Youkilis or Lowrie moving to 3b, depending id they get a 1b or a SS).
The Red Sox won't do anything until they have had a chance to see Lowell and Lowrie both play. The Sox most likely want to see how healthy they are and make an educated guess bout whether or not either or both can last the rest of the season...
Posted by: notin | July 14, 2009 at 09:35 PM
"While both (especially Green) have played well, it isn't likely."
Ahould read "While both (especially Green) have played well, it isn't likely to continue."
I'm leaving the rest of my typos, but that one was just indiscernible...
Posted by: notin | July 14, 2009 at 09:36 PM
I see no need in Scott Rolen or a Garrett Atkins. Unless the asking price is very limited. Lowell is coming back feeling good and Jed Lowrie will be back soon too. No need. No room.
Posted by: Boston | July 14, 2009 at 10:11 PM
Oh and Why are people saying the Red Sox should go after aa heavy hitting 1st basemen..? Ortiz Youk and Pedrioa are all hitting -- Im not willing to give up prospects when its not nessisary.
Posted by: Boston | July 14, 2009 at 10:15 PM