Rosenthal On Halladay, Frasor, Rios, Bay

Bay is in control and its the right choice to set a cut off date. his numbers warrant the red sox pursuit, i hope he is still a red sox next year

just as an aside to the Halladay talk Knapp went on the 7 day DL yesterday with what was termed "shoulder soreness" He was checked out by team docs and proclaimed OK but will likely rest for a bit. No reason to overuse him and get into problems. The Jays were in attendance at his last start where he blew up and pitched 2/3 of an inning giving up 6 runs.

If the Cardinals are able to make a deal for Halladay, are they just mortgaging their future to win now?

I am a little confused at one comment Ken made in his article. How has Brandon Wood's trade value gone down? I am not an Angels fan but I know alot about prospects. Just because the Angels haven't given Wood a fair shake at an everyday MLB job isn't his fault. He has raked in the minors for a number of years in a row and has proven that he can be an adequate SS (premium position). So how does a guy that will hit between .280-.315, have 30+HR power and have potential for 100+RBI's annually lost trade value? I couldn't disagree more.

Went a little off topic...but it is baffling when analyst say stuff like this. As a Cards fan I have been saying we should go after Wood for the last 2 years since the Angels for whatever reason aren't giving him a chance at the big league level. Guys like Aybar, Izturis, Kendrick and Figgins (because of position flexibility) should not be blocking a guy with as much talent as Wood.

I truly am sick of the Halladay talk. How much more can they disect this issue? Flat out...if the Yanks are not going to be allowed to talk to Halladay about an extension prior to the trade then why bother? Not to mention that we have in-house answers to fill eventual holes on this team as the vets retire in Hughes (Pettite), Austin Jackson (Damon), Montero/Romine (Posada) and Melancon (Mo) that I simply don't want to give up.

How horrific would a deal be if the Yanks DID trade for Halladay and he walks after the 2010 season? Then we would be w/o Hallada, Hughes or Joba, Montero and Jackson probably. So we would have 2 holes to fill (possible 3 depending on Wang) in the starting rotation, still be searching for a starting CF and a full time replacement for Posada by 2011.

I want to win this year as much as anyone else, but why after all the cries for the Yanks to become more self-reliant by deleoping their own are we pushing then to trade away key pieces of our future for a 1 1/2 year rental?

Still think a three way trade makes most sense.

Dye to SF
Rios to CWS
Prospects from SF and CWS to Toronto

Rios is most valuable as a CF - he can play there long term for CWS.

Giants need a run prodcer in the middle of order - Dye could fit in LF for Giants

Toronto sheds Rios contract, gives them better chance to sign Halladay, and gets some young, albeit non top-tier prospeects back.

Knapp wasn't put on the DL for shoulder soreness, but shoulder fatigue, for what it's worth.

I figured to clarify because "soreness" might indicate injury while "fatigue" might indicate "let's slow this guy down a little."

Even as a Phillies fan, I'm sick of Halladay speculation...

JohnKruksWaistLine,

thanks for the clarification. ya i should have mentioned it as fatigue as soreness gives an idea that he's injured.

ChasenWorth,

I said at the onset of this I'd have to consult Cubs fans as to their level of frustration over the Peavy discussions. I'd expect we're not even close to being done with this talk especially with the fact that they'll more likely than not keep him so we can then pick up the conversation in the offseason.

If the Jays trade Halliday within their division it would be the worst mistake ever.

Posted by: braves4life | July 16, 2009 at 10:52 AM

Not if a Hughes, Montero, Jackson + or a Buchholz, Anderson, Bowden + is going the other way.

Blue jays fans have come out and said that they want rios gone, and they hate the way he plays

Posted by: johan is GOD | July 16, 2009 at 10:58 AM

shouldn't that tell you something?? Why would you want to do that? in a desperate attempt to win now? As i said yesterday if i'm the mets I don't trade all my chips as I doubt it would get them a WS ring this year due to all their injuries.

OK, as a Jays fan, I don't think I know anybody that wants Rios gone from Toronto. I know people who think that moving him for a solid return would be ok, but hes not being run out of town.

Secondly, if the Jays trade Doc to the Yankees or Red Sox, I don't care what the package is, I won't be watching Jays games for the next while (it would just be too disheartening). I'm sure a lot of Jays fans are in this boat. Trading Doc opens up a GIANT wound to Jays fans, trading him to the Red Sox and Yankees just pours salt in it.

The Mets have crumbs, not chips.

If the best they can offer a team is Kunz, Antonini, and Dylan, that's just sad. Each guy has some talent but aren't especially young for their levels, or have dominated at any level. All of those guys really project to be relievers.

Jays fans have always overvalued Rios because he's a homegrown guy but there are some things we know for sure with him.

• He is an excellent fielder and arm (Franceour and Markakis level).
• He has not developed into the #3 prototypical hole bat that the Jays have always envisioned, but he would be an excellent #5. who will collect double-digit HRs and SBs at about a .280-.290 rate. If he could be more patient and strikeout less he would be a very good #2 hitter.

For all the mets fan's efforts in trying to downgrade Rios by offering marginal minorleaguers for Rios, he is still an above-average offense, above-average defense player. Kunz, Antonini, and Dylan likely won't even last thru their arb years.

There is NO way the Sox can include Beckham in a trade for Halladay. It would totally defeat the purpose of the trade if they had to play Josh Fields at 3B again. If they can't get a deal done without him oh well.

Mets have nothing impact near ready for the major I have a question weather F-Mart is as close as they would like.

I know he's already been up but looked over matched like LaPorta did with Cleveland when he was up for about 50 AB's this year. F-Mart may need 1 full AAA season .

The Indians when the Mets asked about Cliff Lee asked for Parnell + Holt and Mejia and i think a low A infield prospect and the Mets said no and both those guys Holt and Mejia are 1.5 to 2 years away from the majors so the Mets eithier don't have the major league ready pieces to put together a deal or anybody that may be good down the road is viewed untouchable.

So I view the Mets as a waste of time to deal with when it comes to making major deals PERIOD !.

Still think a three way trade makes most sense.

Dye to SF
Rios to CWS
Prospects from SF and CWS to Toronto

Rios is most valuable as a CF - he can play there long term for CWS.

Giants need a run prodcer in the middle of order - Dye could fit in LF for Giants

Toronto sheds Rios contract, gives them better chance to sign Halladay, and gets some young, albeit non top-tier prospeects back.

Posted by: aGIANTfan | July 16, 2009 at 10:40 AM

For that to work (in which it would solve the white sox CF problems), SF would have to give up prospects at the cost of Rios to make Toronto happy.

just as an aside to the Halladay talk Knapp went on the 7 day DL yesterday with what was termed "shoulder soreness"
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hey dumbass...
Players are placed on either the 15-day or the 60-day disabled list, usually depending on the severity and/or recovery time of the injury. Sometimes the player may even be taken out of the season. A player may be shifted from the 15-day to the 60-day DL at any time, but not vice-versa. The player may not rejoin the team until 15 or 60 days has elapsed; however, a player's time on the DL may exceed the specified number of days.

“So how does a guy that will hit between .280-.315, have 30+HR power and have potential for 100+RBI's annually lost trade value? I couldn't disagree more.”

He barley does that in the minor leagues, and when he has, its been done with high BAbip numbers (.330+) in the extreme hitters park that is Salt Lake City - generally one of the Top-10 hitters parks in the entire game. It is about on par with Colorado What makes you think he will so easily do that in the bigs?

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Posted by: baseballfan2345 | July 16, 2009 at 10:54 AM

And I think it is time that guy is banned for good. I have seen his posts edited a couple times to remove the spam, obviously he is too dense to stop doing it to begin with though.