Heyman On Manny, Felix, Bay, Washburn

Jason Bay $15mil over "years"? more like a year. If thats the case, the sox must see something they like better next year.

King Felix wont come to Boston, I repeat, he will not come to Boston. Theo is gun shy with prospects, no matter who we are talking about and Felix will require the biggest trade in history, its just not possible. Is is possible if he, somehow, reaches free agency, sure, but then you have the yankees, so who knows.

and trade Lowell to for a stater as well, if gonzalez/fielder comes to boston

Agreed on Lowell, I guess it would have to be for prospect/s or a reliever of some kind. Papelbon is upsetting management with his mouth and inability to back it all up, i think hes closer to leaving then we think. Theo is playing hard to get to keep the demand high

Manny would not opt of that deal ever.

Why not ask for Mike Stanton while you're at it?

"King Felix wont come to Boston, I repeat, he will not come to Boston. Theo is gun shy with prospects, no matter who we are talking about and Felix will require the biggest trade in history, its just not possible. Is is possible if he, somehow, reaches free agency, sure, but then you have the yankees, so who knows."
Felix isn't coming to Boston, but it has nothing to do with the BoSox. He's an M, and the team is aiming to keep it that way. He'll be an M for at least the next 5 years (hopefully 10+).

"Daniel Bard, Casey Kelly, Josh Reddick, Ryan Calish, Ryan Westmoreland & Michael Bowden for Hanley Ramirez & Josh Johnson."

I'm sorry, but I simply can't imagine a scenario in which the Marlins are best off trading Hanley and Johnson together.

And the offer doesn't even include Buchholz. Really?

"Manny would have a tough time getting 2 years/ 20 Million if he opts out...30 over 2 would be laughed right off the table."

I disagree. He's still one of the very best hitters in the game, and he's not the worst defender out there. Given his reputation as a lineup-changing hitter, the lack of comparable bats on the market, and the fact that Boras is his agent, I wouldn't be surprised to see Manny getting offers around 2/30 if he opted out.

I'd be shocked if he opted out, but he would definitely get more than 2/20.

I'm a big Manny Fan, but his 2nd half numbers suggested that he lost a large bit of the Juice.

Second half OPS, had it been his season's OPS, would've been amongst his career lows.

Furthermore, he actually got worse as the season went along, which creates ammo to dispute the whole rust argument from the suspension.
The Roids, with the early showers, the mediocre defense, who wants that hassle? He won't opt out, but if he did, I don't think 2/30 would be in the cards. He hardly got a 2/30 offer last year, coming off a MONSTER 2nd half with LA?

"Scribble you are not thinking about the PED suspension and his declining skills."

Yeah, I definitely underestimated these things, but just 2/20?

Then again, he posted a .237/.380/.422 line in his final 166 plate appearances, so clearly he was having some issues as he finished the season, in spite of missing 50 games.

I'm going to back off here and agree with you guys, Manny isn't getting a 2/30 offer if he opts out.

The combination of PED and character issues, along with his struggles in August, September and October, were underestimated on my part, initially.

"He did well when he first came back, but after Bailey drilled him in the hand his season was over for the most part."

I didn't hear about the Bailey drilling.

When did that happen? That certainly could've affected his swing, especially when so much bat speed comes from the hands and wrists, although I'm not a doctor.

as a sox fan im glad he got drilled :). and i feel bad for dodger fans still. am i disgruntled and immature, you bet, but i dont care. ill say what i always said, i hope he falls down and knocks his two front teeth out

Padres get: Lars Anderson, Michael Bowdin, Ryan Kalish + money
RedSox get: Adrian Gonzalez

Blue Jays get: Josh Reddick, Stolmy Pimentel, Yamaico Navarro, and Dustin Richardson

Red Sox resign Jason Bay, if not they get Matt Holliday.

They sign Marco Scutaro to a 1-2 year deal then give the job to Jose Iglesias.

"Blue Jays get: Josh Reddick, Stolmy Pimentel, Yamaico Navarro, and Dustin Richardson"

ummm, are we just giving them these players because we like them or something lol. what do we get!?

haa

those deals come off light on both ends, but thats about as close to possible as i have seen thus far for multiple trades for superstars i think. i dont think the sox have it in them to make two big deals unless clay goes to. if clay is in the deal to toronto, that might get a green light, the gonzalez trade would require something else still though

in his deals bowden goes to San Diego for Gonzalez, but i think if you threw in Buccholz to Toronto with those guys, that makes it pretty decent, not sterling, but 6 player swing for one year on a mid 30 year old pitcher your going to lose to free agency anyway isnt half bad

Me personally I dont think Bowden will pitch well in the majors, havent seen it yet.

As a Reds fan, I hope that the Brewers sign Washburn.

Yet another overpriced heap of crap.

"I could see Clay, Reddick, Navarro and Stolmy going to the Blue Jays for Roy Halladay..."

Okay, okay, the offer is much different if it includes Buchholz, he's the kind of centerpiece that the Jays kind of need if they're dealing arguably the best pitcher in the team's history.

Obviously, I don't know what the Jays are expecting, especially with Anthopolous taking over, but they were asking for a lot in July and I would presume that will continue, although obviously one year of Halladay will be worth less than 1.5 plus possible postseason action.

"and see if kalish, westmoreland, lars turn out to be as good as advertised?"

Because the Red Sox can't afford to have that kind of patience.

None of those guys is ready to contribute in 2010, and the one with the highest upside, Westmoreland, won't be ready for a couple years, if ever.

Trial balloon....Bay $15M for X years....probably.
Trade with Padres?
How about Delcarman, Bowden and Lars Anderson for 1b/of Kyle Blanks?

Blanks plays 1st for Sox
Bowden starts for SD
Delcarman closes
Anderson backs up Gonzalez @ AAA

ug, typepad!! deleted my post...

esstionally, I said Manny easily gets 2/20 on the market. He is a better shortterm option than Bay or Holliday, and will not ask for 20-25M a year.

I'm a big Manny Fan, but his 2nd half numbers suggested that he lost a large bit of the Juice.

Second half OPS, had it been his season's OPS, would've been amongst his career lows.

Furthermore, he actually got worse as the season went along, which creates ammo to dispute the whole rust argument from the suspension.
The Roids, with the early showers, the mediocre defense, who wants that hassle? He won't opt out, but if he did, I don't think 2/30 would be in the cards. He hardly got a 2/30 offer last year, coming off a MONSTER 2nd half with LA?"

You left out how the season was esstionally a lose from the start, even though it wasnt neccesarily his fault. First, he had a drawn out negotiation with the Dodgers and when he signed, he rushed to ST. He injured his hammy and it hurt him throughout the season. Then he got suspended, and coming back from that, his timing was gone. Then, he got hit with a 95 MPH FB in the hand. The next AB he had, he had a historic HR(661, i was there and it was one of the best in DS history. I'd say top 5, at least). But he wasnt the same.

The Red Sox aren't trading Buchholz in a package for Roy Halladay. Theo would NEVER do that for a one year rental. He isn't interested in "going for it" for one year. Beckett has one year left on his deal, they aren't looking for another SP who will command big money at an older age. Why would Theo part with Buchholz and more when he could add a little more and get Felix? I think it would be wise for Theo to go after Felix by almost any means necessary (I know, this isn't a revolutionary idea, but still). Young starting pitching is getting harder and harder to find, and over the next 5 years I don't imagine many ace types in their 20's coming available in free agency. If the Red Sox could get Felix, him and Lester would be enough to make the Red Sox a World Series favorite year in and year out. Even if Felix can't be had this year, I'd rather Theo hold onto his prospects for next offseason to try for Hernandez rather than getting one year from Halladay. I don't think Halladay is a need for the Red Sox next year (obviously it would make the team much better, but it's a luxury). Beckett will have a monster year in his contract year, and Lester is as good a #2 guy as there is in baseball. The Red Sox just need a reliable #3 guy, and I gotta think either Dice-K or Buchholz can be that guy. The Red Sox need a power bat much more than Roy Halladay. But for the long term, Felix Hernandez would trump everything else as their biggest need.

Why can't the Sox sign Lackey instead of trading for Hernandez or Halladay?

Save the prospects for a possible power hitter trade. Gonzalez seems a lot more available than Prince.

Why pay the price in prospects when you can get a guy for cash only? I know Lackey is no Halladay or Hernandez, but they don't need an ace, they need a good #3.

BTW, please sign Bay. No time to play games.

Brewers are not going to trade fielder now or never they will get an extension done. I do think Washburn will end up signing here and I like the JJ Hardy for Morrow deal. I also believe that Mat Gamel will be traded to the Atlanta Braves for Jo Jo Reyes and an outfielder.
That gives the brewers rotations Yovi, Washburn, Morrow, Parra, and Reyes with Bush and Suckpan in the bullpen