Mariners Sign Jack Wilson

Is it possible to make the playoffs with Jack Wilson as your starting SS?

I think "no", but I guess we will find out.

M's + Playoffs= Highly Doubtful, although I wouldn't mind seeing them make the playoffs

if you can win 85 games after playing Yuniesky Betancourt and Josh Wilson for the better part of the season, I'd have to think just about anything is possible.

Jack Wilson alone has nothing to do with our chances at the postseason. If anything, his defense increases our chances at making it. This is a solid signing though. Good value, great glove. Especially with no big upside shortstops available and with Hardy already traded.

Wilson is the first elite defensive SS to play for the Mariners since Omar Vizquel was traded before the 1994 season.

If Beltre resigns Mariners have the best defense in Baseball. Even without Beltre, With Gutierrez, IChiro and Wilson the defense is ridiculous.

If lopez is staying in Seattle, he obbviously is no Chase Utley at 2B, but for 5M- I love this deal.
Free Agent Pitchers will love it too. If Rich Harden or John Lackey are signed as the number 2 starter, then yes, Ms can make the playoffs with Jack Wilson at SS.

I like the move. And I want them to keep coming. How about this 3 team trade

Brewers get
Morrow
Lopez
Bannister

Mariners get
Weeks
Gordon

Royals get
Gamel
Aumont
Plus 2 other prospects

Then trade for ryan doumit for luke french, mark lowe and a prospect

Then the ms sign lackey and harden to deals, and resign branyan and king felix.

Lineup
C moore/ doumit
1b branyan
2b weeks
Ss wilson
3b gordon
Lf saunders
Cf guti
Rf icihiro
Dh doumit/ griffey/ carp

Rotation
Felix
Lackey
Harden
Rowland smith
Snell

Bullpen
Rel jakubakus
Hill
White
Jimenez
Fields
Clo aardsma

I'd love to say yes this will help the M's make the 2010 playoffs, but realistically, no. This is an 80-90 win team with potential. I'm more worried about the offense than the defense right now. It doesn't matter how few runs you give up if you can't score runs. Look at the Royals when Greinke pitched, how many 1-run losses did the guy have?

It's nice to have a great defense, and I believe strongly in defense and pitching being the root of great teams. But, realistically, it looks more like 2011 will be the M's coming out party. They are building smartly and making the right moves. Now we just need some more production from the offense.

I'm not sure on what route to go for that though. I don't believe Jason Bay or Matt Holliday is the proper course, but we shall see. I love the offseason, so much optimism and chance.

hahaha doumit
thats hilarious
keep dreamin kid

Remember when shortstops used to be a position where it was all about defense?

Just wait til' Ackley comes on up :)

Ichiroll

Did Ackley get his are fixed? Where would he play?

good sign
good quality shortstop

dude, yea, I saw Guti play, I saw him play a lot, but also, have you seen Adam Jones played? every other night he robbed one from over the fence. I know he didnt play a full season, but he is a 23 year old phenom, and he deserved it. Even missing all those games, on Baseball tonight web gem's points he was still near the top. He is a stud. Guti is good, but I wouldnt say he deserved it more.

"he robbed one from over the fence"

So you are basing your opinion on a sample size of one play? Great analysis.

Anyone know which field is harder to play in? Baltimore or Seattle. Cus if Seattle is harder to play the outfield in Seattle, Death To Flying Things really got robbed.

see, and he didnt just rob "one" like I said, just cuz you dont pay attention to the O's doesnt mean they dont do anything. Yea, you saw one of his plays robbing one, but I watched like half of there games last season. Trust me, there was plenty more than "one" HR robbed by him.

dude, idk if he is better than him, but dont sit here and say that he didnt deserve that Gold Glove. ok, Gutiz could have got it too. I understnad that, but ppl sound like he did nothing to deserve it which isnt true.

Here are the 2009 UZR defensive rankings for centerfielders:

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=cf&stats=fld&lg=all&qual=y&type=0&season=2009&month=0

Franklin Gutierrez was the near-unanimous pick as the top defensive centerfield in the vote of the Fielding Bible's 10 panelists:

http://www.billjamesonline.net/fieldingbible/complete-votetally.asp

Adam Jones finished 22nd among centerfielders in the voting.

That should read "top defensive centerfieldER."

dude, say what you want. it was definetly not a popularity contest. Cuz the Orioles dont get any love, on Baseball tonight unless they are playing the Yanks or something there highlights are like 2 seconds long. and they dont just talk about the Orioles for 10 minutes like they do other teams. trust me, it was not a poularity contest.

Look bro.. Your Orioles need some love I understand that. And just because they aren't getting any airtime because the Yankees suck the air outta any room doesn't mean Jones was more deserving. I agree, Jones is a good player and will be a superstar someday. But, all bias aside, he didn't deserve it. Would I love to have him still in the OF, absolutely. Especially next to Guti and Ichiro!, anything hit in the air would be caught. But, every stat in the book says Guti is on a different planet compared to Jones. And people with much much much more baseball knowledge than both you and I agree. Other than the voters because they obviously don't use all these wonderful tools to measure abilities.

Cody, you're a goddamn moron. Plain and simple.

Look Cody, apparently you can't click on the repeated links that have proven your defensive analysis is flawed.

So let me spoon feed you some numbers:

MLB OF UZR LEADERS:
1) Franklin Gutierrez 29.1
2) Nyjer Morgan 27.8
3) Ryan Sweeney 24.0
4) Carl Crawford 17.6
5) Randy Winn 16.5
6) David DeJesus 15.1

2009 Gold Glove Winners
11) Ichiro Suzuki 10.5
14) Michael Bourn 8.6
21) Matt Kemp 2.6
31) Torri Hunter -1.1
37) Shane Victorino -4.1
38) Adam Jones -4.7

According to UZR, Franklin Gutierrez was the best defensive outfielder in baseball. Period.

And since you appear to be a casual fan like the baseball writers who vote for the gold glove award, UZR is the most trusted defensive statistic in baseball.

According to UZR, (real, quantifiable data - unlike the handful of diving plays and home runs Adam Jones has robbed) Ichiro is the most deserving gold glove winner by saving his team 10.5 runs.

And yours truly, Adam Jones is the least deserving of all gold glove winners by COSTING his team 4.7 runs. Also, I hope you were joking when you cited web gem points to justify Adam Jones winning the gold glove.

Here is the link if you don't trust me: http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=of&stats=fld&lg=all&qual=y&type=0&season=2009&month=0

So UZR means runs saved by a player or costed by a player,right? What does UZR/150 mean? does being in a bigger ballpark like the Rockies affect UZR in a negetive way like ERA, because I knowticed their outfielders had pretty bad UZR's. Sorry about all the questions, I've never even heard of UZR though...

Glad that I exitted this series of comments.

It got really outlandish. Jones/ Markakis better than Ichiro/ Gutierrez?

Smart guy. Funny how the argument is: People are hating on Jones because they don't see him play all the time....yet this guy's clearly a)never seen Guitierrez play, b) is basing his opinion towards Jones solely on seeing him every night, thus catching every great play Jones made.

Check the highlights, Guitieriez was by far the best CF in baseball. Hunter shouldn't have even been in the conversation.

(Sodomojo, I think that Managers and Coaches vote on Gold Gloves, I actually think that writers would have voted Guti in a landslide, despite their lack of sophistication.)

good sign. not great but good