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Mets Notes: Holliday, Barajas, Pineiro

Lots of newsbits swirling about the Big Apple's non-World Series winners...

  • Joel Sherman of the New York Post tweets that the Mets will meet with Scott Boras tonight to at least get an idea of what it will take to sign Matt Holliday.
  • As reported earlier today, the Mets weren't interested in Jason Varitek but were considering Bengie Molina at catcher.  Sherman (also via Twitter) added Rod Barajas and Chris Snyder to the New York catching "wish list."
  • SI's Jon Heyman (via Twitter) reports the Mets are interested in Joel Pineiro, but not at his reported demand of a three-year/$30MM contract.
  • MLB.com's Barry Bloom figures that Gary Sheffield and Carlos Delgado are both done in New York after Mets GM Omar Minaya was very non-committal about the possibility of re-signing either of the two veteran sluggers.
  • The Toronto Sun's Bob Elliott, however, thinks the Mets will at least "keep an eye" on Delgado's progress in winter ball (via Twitter).


Comments

Rod Barajas is on someones wish list?

I didn't think a .258 OBP could be so desired.

I think Barajas would be more of a consolation prize if they don't win the Bengie sweepstakes.

1- Keeping tabs on Delgado would be smart. He'd come on a really cheap 1 year deal. If he gets hurt, the Mets have Murphy at 1B. Not a big deal. If he's coming on like 1MM + incentives, which I can't see him commanding more than, that's the type of deal the Mets should make.

2- The Mets should stay far, far away from Bengie Molina. Let Thole play as the starting catcher, and spend the money elsewhere. If Thole flounders, deal with it at the deadline. There just isn't a good enough option available to block Thole.

If the Mets give Bengie Molina, or Rod Barajas any significant money this offseason, it won't be a good move, considering all the other holes they have. Let Thole play full-time and sign somebody who won't be an OBP sinkhole (Gregg Zaun) to back him up.

Molina and Barajas probably shouldn't even be MLB starters at this point in their career.

T-Struck by Melonis.

Trade for Halladay
Sign Holliday
Sign Wolf
Sign Cora
Sign Hinske

Thoughts on that plan?

You know Scott Boras is going to present some astronomic number to the Mets. Silly Omar might just take the bait, and overpay. Just like he did for the "other" Scott Boras client, and how did that work out for us? I'm probably one of the few Mets fans who's not completely sold on Matt Holliday.

diehardmets-

That would add at least 50 million to the Mets payroll. Plus who do they have to trade for Halladay? I don't see the Mets coming close to reaching a deal for Halladay.

I would be happy with either molina or barajas. Pineiro would be a great pick up. the mets need more power at first than murphy can provide, they should look to bring in troy glaus and consider platooning him with murphy. Its possible that the mets could sign all pinero, glaus, and molina/barajas for less than they would have to pay for holliday. Still, the mets would need to add a power bat in the outfield, maybe dye.

Aren't teams not allowed to discuss numbers with the free agents before the 15 day exclusive negotiating period expires? Maybe agents can propose numbers? I thought no money could be discussed, but what do I know

Here's what I'd do

-Sign John Lackey to a 5 year, $80 million deal
-Trade for Josh Willingham to play LF (his cost probably wouldn't be exorbitant)
-Sign Gregg Zaun to a 1 year deal
-Sign Carl Pavano to a 1 year, $3 million deal
-Sign Nick Johnson to a 1 year deal

Thoughts?

How about this? trade for edwin jackson tigers will listen to offers about him and won't cost the whole farm system. sign holliday then sign someone like rich harden or erik bedard.

please don't sign lackey

I'm tired of Minaya recruiting anything that ends in "o", "a" and "z". No , we don't need a clubhouse adjustment or leader like Varitek at a position that seriously lacks when we can piss away $$$ on Molina. Pineiro, why not? Delgado? Let's keep an eye on him. Holliday is just being discussed so they can say they "discussed."

The Mets need more character players, like Wright and Santana. Players that come to play. Varitek is a bit more spoken, and would be a nice addition to the team. He's also solid in handling a pitching staff. I'll take his .220 BA for his leadership any day. Can't be any worse than Schneider, and I'm sure he's not asking for much more than 5 mill. p/y.

And I think Matt Holliday may be a mistake for the Mets. He's a good player, but I don't think he's worth the dime Boros is going to ask for. No more than 15 mill. per. Anything more...forget it.

Minaya must go...period.

Bluehorseshoe- Wow, not only are you a racist, but quite the idiot as well.

Varitek is complete garbage, and if his leadership was so great, why did the Red Sox need to trade for V-Mart?

The Mets need talent, not this b.s "character" stuff that's being bandied about.

Also, here's an article you should read to dispel that "character guy" crap

http://www.tedquarters.net/2009/11/10/character-guys-like-alex-cora/#comments

Boras: 7/140
Omar: 7/150
Boras: 8/170
Omar: 8/180
Boras: Deal

Mets have tons of paroll flexibility then can go for broke just like the Yankees did last offseason.

The Mets are facing payment issues because of Madoff. This will cause them to be able to sign only one of holliday/bay and lackey, if that. Trading for Halladay is a bad idea. It's not that the Mets don't have the prospects to make the deal work, it's just that after the deal, their farm system will be totally depleted. Plus, then you face the risk of needing to re-sign him after next year, and if you sign Lackey or Holliday/Bay, they won't have the money to do that.

I like the idea of the Mets acquiring a catcher who will come cheap on a 1 year deal.

Someone who can share time with Santos and allow Thole a little more time and experience in the minor leagues.

I understand that AAA isn't what it used to be but I would rather Thole play so well at AAA that he forces the Mets to bring him up than he play so poorly at the major league level that he forces the Mets to acquire a C mid-season.

@ Hyro...

Not at all idiot! If anything, I feel that Omar is the racist. I like Santana, think he's a leader, and even mentioned him in my post as one. But when it's overdone and completely obvious, I wonder if he ever considers other options at all...

And..if you follow baseball at all, you'd know that the BoSox picked up Martinez to cover 1B as well since Ortiz was crapping out for most of the year and Lowell was injured enough to move Youk over to third. And yeah, VMart can also relieve Varitek at catcher too. But again, a clubhouse leader doesn't need to always be on the field either. I'd take 100-120 games from him easily.

Omar is a fool. And he's a stuttering prick on the podium. He can't even articulate his point. And god forbid if the press gets on him...that's when he stutters the best.

@ Likenny

Exactly. Kudos for Boros for taking advantage, as much as I hate it.

Hyro

Are you kidding? Pavano? Johnson? I guess you love wasting $$$ on injuries. Didn't the Mets just go through enough of that to stay away from players like that? Good luck getting Lackey @ 5 years/80 million. Yanks would pull that one in a heart beat. And Greg Zaun? After you blast me for Varitek, you recommend Greg Zaun?

What the hell are you smoking? You wouldn't even get an Assistant GM job with the Nationals.

If the Giants for some reason re-sign Molina, the Mets should see if they could pull off the miracle and pry away Buster Posey. Doubt it though.

BHS:

Zaun: .260/.347/.416
Varitek: .220/.313/.390

Plus Varitek will cost at least $3 million more. But, he's obviously much better, right?

Also, Omar isn't "racist", he's just an idiot. If he was racist, he wouldn't have traded for Schneider or Putz

I suggested the Mets sign Pavano because he'd be cheap, and he was very solid last year (Not by ERA, but his K/BB and FIP were excellent)

As for Johnson... yeah, he's injury prone, but he wouldn't be expensive, and the Mets need a 1B upgrade.

To conclude, being a "clubhouse leader" or "character" means nothing in terms of baseball talent.

Schneider was a great clubhouse guy, but he isn't coming back next year, because he's TERRIBLE AT BASEBALL, like Varitek.

Im a Yankee fan but watching the Mets this year im srry to say it they just suked and I no a lot of it was from injurys. (Im experiencing it with the football giants this year)

If I were them I would not sign Holliday because that ballpark will not benefit him.

Also I like the Varitek deal but I think he will pick up his option. He is a great leader but a sucky cathcer.

Just sign cheap guys. THey can sign a pitcher like Jon Garland. The guys a horse. They need pitchers like that not injury risked pitchers. Then for left feild sign like Nady possibly. Hes played in Ny for both the Yankees and Mets. Molina is another good catcher for them. (Bengie not Jose) At first stay with Delgado then go and help the pitching staff.

I would go with Garland and Washburn leaving a rotation of Santana Garland Washburn Maine/Pelfrey and Perez. Then in the pen they should resign Putz to a very cheap deal with a bunch of incentives and sign Brandon Lyon if you can get him.

Bluehorseshoe...Youkilis is the BoSox 1st baseman. Ortiz doens't play in the field anymore, he's the full time DH. And no, SF is not trading Buster Posey. I don't know that Varitek is a bad idea, but he really broke down in the second half. Also, when you talk about Minaya's pick ups, you should also give him credit for picking up Delgado, Beltran, KROD and Pedro, who were the best available players at their position when they were picked up, so like Santana, they were not signed because of their race.

BlueHorseShoe, you are definitely racist.

By the way, Santana ends with an "A". So why do you like him? Is it Omar's fault a lot of the MLB's talent today comes from Latin countries? Fernando MartineZ is one of the top prospects for a reason, as well has Jenrry MejiA. We have "white" talent too, if that's what you want in Ike Davis and Brad Holt. I hope Omar signs Holliday, Lackey and Wolf to prove he doesn't just go for Latinos.

Please don't feed the trolls.

Pavano back in NY? Never happen. Even Omar knows better than to even think about that scenario.

The Madoff issue is dead. It finally came out in court filings that Wilpon ended up being one of those who PROFITED from the Madoff scheme.

The Met payroll is limited only by Wilpon's desire to remain under the luxury tax - an artificial limit.

The Mets have to show fans that they are serious about fixing the problems of last year if they want to sell those expensive new seats. To do that, they will have to get a big bat to protect Wright - if not Holliday then it will be a big trade.

My biggest worry is that Omar will trade every prospect in the system to field a good team in '10 and save his job - and the Mets will pay for years to come.

Think about a deal like Fernando Martinez and Ike Davis for Michael Cuddyer. Definitely helps the team in '10, but a horrid big picture move. That is the kind of deal a desperate GM trying to save his job makes. Kind of like trading Sizemore and Lee for Bartolo Colon (wait, Omar has already done that, hasn't he?).

PLAN

Trade Davis, Mejia, F-Mart and Familia to Toronto for Halladay and Overbay.
Sign Halladay to a 6/120 extension.
Sign Wolf for 2/18.
Sign Dye for 1/8 with an option.

Thoughts?

QueensKing, it's not just about the minor league talent. Minaya traded for Schneider, Church, Maine and Francouer. He signed Wagner and Schoenweiss, among others. I don't think he's racist, but he is a bad GM. No one would care if they won. No one goes after Theo Epstein and they opened the season with Varitek, Youkilis, Pedroia, Lowery, Drew, Bay, Ellsbury, Ortiz and Beckett. 2 minority players out of ten... if you win, it doesn't matter.

Hyro...Schneider was a clubhouse influence? Are you kidding me? Comon'. Putz and Schneider are two vs. FRod, Cora, R. Martinez, Pagan, Castillo, Delgado, W. Valdez, L. Hernandez, Perez (why did he pay that much...why), Sanchez, etc. I loved the Beltran signing. Beltran is one of my favs.

Chico, I know Youk plays 1B, but my point is if Lowell went down for the rest of the season, then they have flexibility to move him to 3B and VMart to 1B with Varitek at C. I don't doubt some of the signings, but something like Oliver Perez over Randy Wolf? Are you kidding me?

QueensKing...I said Santana is a leader. Not a racist. Actually, a Beltran fan. The one of two good things Minaya did, along with Santana. Everything else...like Perez (that one just made no sense)?

It's not like many teams were knocking down Randy Wolf's door, which is why he ended up on a 1 year deal. I agree the Perez contract wasn't a great idea, I didn't think so at the time either, but Wolf carried a significant injury risk. I don't think Perez was signed because he was hispanic, it was because he was coming off two winning seasons and is a real talent. Again, horrible move, but not indicative of racism, just poor judgment.

metsobsessed...I don't think the package you outlined gets Halladay. As a Mets fan, I often fall into this trap, but remember, just because they are our top prospects, doesn't mean they are great prospects. FMART looks like a talent, but he's a 20 year old that ends every season on the DL... Davis is solid, but I don't think teams are falling over themselves to acquire him and the jury is still out on Mejia and Familia. Toronto can get more major league talent.

I understand that, but I think a lot of people are overvaluing Halladay. Maybe I should put that deal into context. Halladay I see falling into the same trap as Santana; young, inexperienced GM dealing with the Yankees and Red Sox only mildly interested but driving up the price on each other. That package still beats anything Philly will be WILLING to throw out, and I think the temptation of getting a solid first baseman, a guy with ace potential and another injury prone but potential all-star combined with getting rid of Overbay's contract will be too much for Toronto.

PLAN

Trade Davis, Mejia, F-Mart and Familia to Toronto for Halladay and Overbay.
Sign Halladay to a 6/120 extension.
Sign Wolf for 2/18.
Sign Dye for 1/8 with an option.

Thoughts?


My only thought is this:
Halladay - $20 mil
Wolf - $9 mil
Dye - $ 8 mil
Overbay - $ 7 mil

That's $45 mil spent before arbitration raises to Francoeur, Maine, Pagan and a few other guys who are probably sticking around, and without adding any help at C or the bullpen.

Even if I wanted them to do it (I'm not a fan of Dye in the Citi Field OF but otherwise I'm fine with the players you've acquired) I doubt they would do it.

Also, I'm not totally opposed to putting John Maine in the deal, if that gets it done. I think that would be big for the Jays to get a major league starter back, and we won't really need him if we bring in Wolf and have Niese waiting in the wings.

I always knew there were Mets fans who just wanted a whiter team and not necessarily a better one. This confirms it.

How could you type such a thing and not see that as saying.. no latin players?

It's actually a $10 million raise in payroll if you get rid of John Maine.

Maine is a major league starter that has had shoulder trouble the last 2 years...I really think you are over valuing the Mets prospects. Overbay's contract is ~7.5M and up next year, I don't think it's pressing to get rid of him. I'll put it this way, if the Blue Jays agreed to the Davis, FMART deal, I'll drive those guys to Toronto myself. I would love for it to work, I just don't think it does.

Well if you're a Met fan then you know the Wilpons will respect and stay a bit below the luxury tax threshold which is $170 mil in 2010 so if you've allowed them to fill a roster while staying under that then at least you're being realistic about your ownership and it's a possibility.

Can you get them someone that can field better than Dye for LF instead?

C-Santos
1B-Overbay
2B-Hudson
3B-Wright
SS-Reyes
LF-Wells
CF-Beltran
RF-Francoeur

SP-Santana
SP-Halladay
SP-Pelfrey
SP-Maine
SP-Perez

If you guys didnt hear, the tigers are looking to trade Edwin Jackson. How perfect of a fit would that be. who would we have to give up?

Sp santana
Sp halladay
Sp jackson
Sp pelfrey
Sp perez

C- santos
1b- overbay
2b-castillo
Ss- reyes
3b-wright
Lf-wells
Cf-beltran
Rf-francouer

Trade fmart, niese, mejia, flores, davis, tejada, familia, puello and havens for halladay, wells, overbay

Trade holt and wtever is left(lol) for jackson

Championship!

anyone that wants to bring in varatek to the nl with all those runners is abslutely nuts he cant hit or throw but he can call a game I guess

and now votto is supposedly available, wow imagine we land jackson and votto....scarrrrrryyyy

I love these comments. The consensus seems to be, "O.K. guys, we'll just sign everyone we want, and trade for anyone we want. How does my lineup look now?" The Mets don't have the prospects other teams have. They can expect to sign two quality guys and don't expect any trades. That would be unbelievably stupid.

C-Rod Barajas and Gregg Zaun
1- Mark DeRosa/ Murphy
2- Orlando Hudson
SS- Reyes
3-Wright
LF- Mike Cameron or Randy Winn/ DeRosa
CF- Beltran
RF- Francoeur

SP- Santana
SP- John Lackey
SP- Randy Wolf
SP- Pelfrey
SP- Perez

And also sign Rich Harden. Trade Maine and Castillo for some bullpen arms and a eat some of the contract.

reyes
hudson
beltran
holliday
wright
franceour
murphy
thole

santana
e.jackson
harden
maine/pelfrey
perez

Sad, but breaking news Mets fan =/

According to Metsblog.com Jon Heyman has reported that the Mets will not pursue John Lackey due to arm concerns. Its rumored that the Yankees are now the official favorites for him considering the Rangers who have also been heavily involved are undergoing turmoil within their organization as its undergoing a major shift.

Here's the link for proof If you want to start a thread about it:

http://www.metsblog.com/2009/11/09/heyman-mets-are-concerned-about-lackeys-arm/
Posted by: SouvenirCityBaby | November 11, 2009 at 12:07 AM

LINEUP:
1.Jose Reyes SS
2.Orlando Hudson 2B
3.David Wright 3B
4.Matt Holliday LF
5.Carlos Beltran CF
6.Jeff Francouer RF
7.Daniel Murphy 1B
8.Miguel Olivo C

BENCH:
1.Omir Santos C
2.Angel Pagan OF
3.Jeremy Reed OF
4.Fernando Tatis IF
5.____________? UTILITY


STARTING ROTATION:
1.Johan Santana SP
2.Joel Piniero SP
3.Mike Pelfrey SP
4.Randy Wolf SP
5.Oliver Perez SP


BULLPEN:
Fransisco Rodriguez CL
Bobby Parnell SU

Pedro Feliciano MR
Sean Green MR
____________? MR
____________? MR

Brian Stokes LR


2010 NY METS 25 MAN ROSTER

LINEUP:
1.Jose Reyes SS
2.Orlando Hudson 2B
3.David Wright 3B
4.Carlos Beltran CF
5.Jeff Francouer RF
6.Xavier Nady LF
7.Daniel Murphy 1B
8.Omir Santos C

BENCH:
1.Josh Thole C
2.Angel Pagan OF
3.Cory Sullivan OF
4.Fernando Tatis UTIL
5.Anderson Hernandez IF


STARTING ROTATION:
1.Johan Santana SP
2.Jason Marquis SP
3.Mike Pelfrey SP
4.Randy Wolf SP
5.Oliver Perez SP


BULLPEN:
Fransisco Rodriguez CL
Pedro Feliciano SU

Bobby Parnell MR
Sean Green MR
Brian Stokes MR
Joe Biemel MR

Brad Penny LR

STARTING ROTATION:
1.Johan Santana SP
2.Jason Marquis SP
3.Mike Pelfrey SP
4.Randy Wolf SP
5.Oliver Perez SP

Marquis in the two hole? and you have Penny in the pen? I hate Penny, I HATE that son of a bitch.. but hes better than Marquis.

Benjie Molina sweepstakes? I got a chuckle out of that. That would probably be rougly the same prize as winning the herpes sweepstakes.

Benjie Molina sweepstakes? I got a chuckle out of that. That would probably be rougly the same prize as winning the herpes sweepstakes.

Posted by: nrmax88 | November 11, 2009 at 02:10 AM"

Don't hate, Bengie has MONSTER power.
On Base skills are overrated right?

some of these post are insane!!!!!! no way mets get halladay unless they throw in at least one major league ready player surrounded by prospects.. which means right off the bat reyes will be involved... so forget halladay... halladay will be in philly which will make me sick but thats were hes going... they didnt even give up there 2 best prospects in the lee deal which i believe is drabek and brown.. as far as bats they need to find someway to unload castillo(eat half the cash)go out sign either o dog or derosa to play 2nd. find a right handed bat to platoon with murph i would love 4 omar to look into colorado at atkins i believe you could get him cheap on last years performance which i believe was a fluke you could steal him and maybe get torrealba(he might be a (F.A) also to catch... and they have to have to overpay and get holliday for left field hes the best hitter on the market and a position the mets have lacked since keven friggin mcreynolds(no disrespect to floyd but he was hurt alot)as for the pitching i think were gonna see wolf and marquis in the rotation and pray.... i would love edwin from det but i dont believe there trading him... maybe with all maines arm troubles to this would be a good time to through him the bullpen to be the setup man which if hes stays healthy would be an elite 8th inning man.

ss reyes
2b derosa
lf holliday
cf beltran
3b wright
rf j.fran
1b atkins/murph
c torrealba/thole


johan
pelf
wolf
marquis
perez

maine
krod


just my opinion what i think they could do!!!!

miked up
it wont happen cause yall have the worse GM of all time don't forget that colon for Sizemore,Lee, and Jacobs deal

Didn't the MeTS reject this trade offer from the jays

Roy halladay
For
Jon niese
Rueben tejada
Fernando martinez
And bobby parnell

The METS are crazy for that

Can't the mets just offer the same trade maybe with more to aquire halladay?

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