Odds & Ends: Anderson, Smoltz, Red Sox, Dye

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CosaOne
5 years 7 months ago

The mystery 4th Molina brother has been revealed?

crunchy1
5 years 7 months ago

I don’t know what that Dawson article is trying to prove. Are there people out there who thought that Dawson was thrilled to sign for half his market value? He felt it was time to move on from the Expos and he had a preference for the Cubs, and like everyone on the planet he wanted to be paid full market value. He was happy with the first part – joining the Cubs – but did anybody really think he was happy about the amount that the Cubs filled in on the blank check? Really?

Cyyoung
5 years 7 months ago

28 and in Triple AAA, OH BOY!

Infield Fly
5 years 7 months ago

As a GM, if you have full autonomy you will say so. However, if you do not have full autonomy you will probably say you do anyway because your boss (as in ownership) instructs you to. For an interviewer to ask that question while the cameras are rolling is a pointless exercise.

crunchy1
5 years 7 months ago

Agreed. I seriously doubt Minaya has full autonomy but saying he does sets him up to be the fall guy if the Mets fail. Ownership can wash their hands of the matter and Minaya looks like a stand-up guy for taking full responsibility. I’m not saying Minaya is blameless — far from it — but the “full autonomy” bit is just office politics as usual.

Infield Fly
5 years 7 months ago

Yeah, no question. Minaya has had his problems, but this offseason he is not alone at the helm. In recent times a lot of his decisions appear to have come in response to ownership, or with at least a hint of their influence (small wonder little gets done). Clearly it serves the Wilpons’ purpose to have Omar in place as a shield from having to be the “bad guy,” but that routine can’t last forever.

TwinsVet
5 years 7 months ago

Could Perkins come off as any more of a petulant child in that article?

Advice to Glen:
1. Stop feigning injury that you “forgot” to tell the coaches about after every bad start.
2. Don’t be surprised when a 5+ ERA pitcher is sent to AAA for some rehab/development starts, especially when the rotation is set with the acquisition of Pavano.
3. Don’t skip the Dome Farewell to be “bowhunting” (while simultaneously talking about a bad shoulder – pulling a bow is therapeutic I’m sure…).
4. Don’t expect to be traded, as if the Twins could get anything for you at this point. Twins are highly respected as treating their players well and giving young players alot of chances – if you are labeled an “attitude problem” here, you’re not going to find it better anywhere else, and they’re not going to want you.
5. Your fastball clocks in at 86, your command isn’t impressive, and your offspeed pitches lack bite. If you weren’t left-handed, you’d be pitching in my Beer League.

$1529282
5 years 7 months ago

I despise Perkins, though to his credit (ha, if this is even giving him any credit), he did still manage an average of 89.7 on his fastball last year. Be still, my beating heart.

The sooner this clown gets out of the organization, the better. It’d be great if some teams are still allured by the fact that he was a first-round pick, his college pedigree, and his impressive K-rates in the low minors… but that’s not gonna happen.

Get out of Minnesota, Glen. We genuinely don’t want you around.

CrisE
5 years 7 months ago

I mostly agree with you – Perkins needs to grow up. He threw away chances to become a local favorite and I really don’t see how he can overcome that.

But here are two points in his favor:

1. He is only successful when he has good command and can pitch inside. When he can’t locate pitches his stuff isn’t good enough for the major leagues. There’s a real chance he’s still hurt, his control won’t be there in Florida, and the advice to “rest” just cost him six months of recovery. The Twins have a history of this kind of advice and he could be missing MLB pay scale again in the next few months.

2. Kyle Lohse would like to talk to you about respect and chances. He too was a bit of a brat, but the organization has no idea how to deal with these types of kids and sometimes it costs them talent. You can say the team has a good record with young players when they choose to live within the system, but blanket statements in this regard aren’t quite accurate.

TwinsVet
5 years 7 months ago

Perkins definitely falls in with Garza/Lohse as having a chip on their shoulder and falling out of favor with the club. The other two were sent packing.

You may be right the Twins aren’t good at “correcting” attitude problems, and only players who adapt to the Twins system are successful. But they’ve got a pretty good track record of turning average prospects into better-than-average performers. There’s a laundry list of players who had their best years in Minnesota, and went on to perform very poorly elsewhere in spite of still being in their statistical prime (the crop of Koskie, Doug, Guzman, Jones, Lawton, Mays, and Milton all come to mind). Our system definitely requires a particular mindset of player – on the whole, I think the results are favorable, even if it does mean dumping a Garza/Perkins/Lohse instead of bringing them back into the fold.

djperalta
5 years 7 months ago

Is Gustavo, Bengie’s 4th brother?

chaifetz10
5 years 7 months ago

No. He is not related to the Molina brothers that you think of (Yadier, Bengie, and Jose).

bobbycocks
5 years 7 months ago

I read that as “full anatomy”. I thought Minaya was trying to prove he either had a brain or a set of balls. Or perhaps both.

moreHRsandLesnorman
5 years 7 months ago

As a Royals fan, it scares the crap out of me to hear that Dayton may be talking to Seattle.

1. Last year when the two teams dealt, we ended up paying a lot of money to the worst player in baseball, Yuni.
2. Dayton has been trying to trade Callaspo all winter so he’s probably getting desperate.

A desperate Dayton on the phone with Seattle is a SCARY though for a Royals fan. If this deal happens, I’m going to go out on a limb and say that it’s going to be lopsided.

KC_Chris
5 years 7 months ago

Don’t forget that we included Cortes and Saito for the privilege of paying nearly all of Yuni’s salary.

Agreed that a desperate Dayton on the phone with Jack Z is scary. Why not just put Getz in AAA to start the year? You’ve made a mess, DM, don’t make it worse.

SouthSideSweepers
5 years 7 months ago

I find it really hard to believe that AROD was considering retirement. He’s just looking for a little attention because the media has been talking more about other players (Damon for one) than him

adlenon
5 years 7 months ago

A-Rod was staring at retirement…can we go back in time and help him change his mind? I have a couple of bucks and a donut I can offer to try to convince him. If we can get just another hundred million people to throw in a couple bucks, we could rid baseball of Alex Rodriguez! That would have been like Christmas morning!

5 years 7 months ago

Hey, Omar: prove it! Make the best decision you’ll ever have made for the team, and resign. I’m *sure* you’re allowed to make *that* decision on your own — if you can figure out how to do it.

Ethanator99
5 years 7 months ago

A-rod is such a douchebag

R_y_a_n
5 years 7 months ago

He probably thinks the same of you.

EvilEmpireIsBack
5 years 7 months ago

Hey, don’t hate the player, hate the game.

studio179
5 years 7 months ago

Anyone who remembers the Dawson situation already knows he was not happy when the deal with the Cubs was fianlized. Can you blame him. But collusion is a four letter word. This, and the fact he made it very clear he wanted to come to Chicago does kind of set yourself up for less than market value during any era. He had Green as the GM, not Hendry. Dawson grumbled a bit when the initial numbers came back, but that was it. He did not hold interviews moaning about the blank check and showed class by honoring his word. I heard stories from inside how he had to prepare for every game, not just once in a while…every game. He just played. People forget he started slow in ’87 when joining the Cubs, as most players do when they become Cubs. As Harry would say, ‘another biscuit for breakfeast’ and he would have had 50 dongs that year. My most vivid memory of Dawson in ’87 was not just the MVP on a horrible Cub team. I was sitting behind home plate 3 rows back and watched him get drilled in the face by Eric Show because Dawson hit some homers off him. I remember Sutcliffe quickly charged from the dugout after Show. Anyway, it does not matter to me that he goes in the HOF as an Expo. It takes nothing away from his playing days in Chicago or anywhere.

TwinsVet
5 years 7 months ago

“It takes nothing away from his playing days in Chicago or anywhere.”

Great point. Could be said of many players, with a multitude of fates. As a Twins fan, I feel the same about Bert Blyleven; whether or not he makes the Hall takes nothing away from the memories of his days in Minnesota.

studio179
5 years 7 months ago

Blyleven is an excellent example. He will get in next year and so will Alomar.

crunchy1
5 years 7 months ago

I’m guessing you were scratching your head when reading that article too. None of that stuff was new to me…I don’t think the author dug up anything that wasn’t already known. We all like the Hawk for many of the reasons you stated above. It had nothing to do with whether he was smiling or not when he saw those numbers on that check.

upwithtwinkies
5 years 7 months ago

My day just got a little better knowing that Gardy says that the Mauer contract talks couldn’t be going any better. I know it doesn’t amount to a hill of beans but still makes me feel a little better.

YanksFanSince78
5 years 7 months ago

Interesting….a) Don’t understand why people hate on A-Rod. He isn’t the only confirmed steroid user. He isn’t the 1st overpaid athlete w/ an ego. He doesn’t have the tag of being a bad teammate like a Barry Bonds or Jeff Kent type, and in fact, aside from maybe whatever was going on w/ him and Jeter, he seems very well liked by most of his teammated. He showed up well in the playoffs this year. If you had a job and your work was valued at $60,000 a year and your employer or a competitor offered you $100,000 to do the same job would you turn it down?b) I don’t understand why people automatically assume that Winn is being brought in to be the starting LF ahead of Gardner. In my opinion, and from what I’ve read, I think that, although they won’t come out and declare it, the LF job is Gardner’s to lose. As long as he has a decent ST I think the job is his. Winn would be a great 4th OF because of his ability to play LF and RF which is something Gardner can’t do.

TwinsVet
5 years 7 months ago

“Don’t understand why people hate on A-Rod. He isn’t the only confirmed steroid user. He isn’t the 1st overpaid athlete w/ an ego.”

And people tend to hate those guys as well.

MeTsOwNyOu
5 years 7 months ago

A-Rod is a ME player and will always be like that regardless of what fans or teammates say about him.

wakefield4life
5 years 7 months ago

“Don’t understand why people hate on A-Rod. He isn’t the only confirmed steroid user. He isn’t the 1st overpaid athlete w/ an ego.”

If it’s any consolation, I don’t like A-Rod because he tried to start a fight with Tek, and also because he tried to slap the ball out of Arroyo’s glove and got caught making an illegal move down the baseline. Oh yeah, there was also that issue with the blue jays (either this year or last year) when he, in a very unsportsmanlike way, distracted the fielders on a routine pop-up, causing it to fall. And oh yeah, all the pitch-tipping he does….there are countless reasons not to like the guy. Steroids just make it all that much funnier.

5 years 7 months ago

Figures, Jim Hendry tried to screw up the search for a fourth outfielder by signing Dye. Thank God Dye wasn’t smart enough to take the $3.3 million he was offered.

Seriously, what was Hendry thinking? Dye is pretty obviously in decline, who would rather have him than Nady at this point, TJ surgery and all? You can come back from TJ surgery but no one has ever come back from age, at least effectively. Nothing against Dye but it’s amazing to me that he was apparently the Cubs target when guys with upside like Nady and Gomes were still available.

studio179
5 years 7 months ago

“You can come back from TJ surgery but no one has ever come back from age, at least effectively.”You mean Barry Bonds getting better with age when players usually decline is not a good example. :)I agree Nady was the better overall choice. Nady improves the Cub bench as an average player. Dye is bad defensively and no one knows how he would adjust to being a bench player, production wise. But I’m not sure what you mean with ‘upside’ in Nady or Gomes.

5 years 7 months ago

By upside with Nady and Gomes I just mean that both have had descent seasons recently (Gomes 2009, Nady 2008) and are young enough to repeat that level of production. I also thought about mentioning steroids (Bonds) but figured that was pretty obvious, I think some teams act like they still expect players to perform in their late 30’s like players in their late 30’s did 10 years ago. They need to go back to the mindset that players are going to start regressing earlier.

BoSoxSam
5 years 7 months ago

Yeah, check out Dave Cameron’s recent post on FanGraphs, he talks about veterans are going to be snapped up by bargain basement hunters in the next couple of years exactly because of that reason. He makes some good points, how defense was undervalued for a while, which means now that anyone looking for value is going to ramp up their defense as it’s a cheaper option right now. Therefore, in the next couple of years teams looking for cheap improvements will be looking at the 35 and up group, cause they’re getting the cold shoulder by nearly everyone else.

soxluv
5 years 7 months ago

Nice move, Jermaine!

crunchy1
5 years 7 months ago

If losing a couple of million dollars and having to re-locate is a nice move, then I’m glad you’re not my financial advisor.

Taskmaster75
5 years 7 months ago

I think you missed the sarcasm.

crunchy1
5 years 7 months ago

Actually, no. The day a Sox fan chides one of their own free agents for not signing with the Cubs will be the first. You must be from out of town.

Taskmaster75
5 years 7 months ago

Meh, oh well, you Chicago people confuse me, Ill just stay over here in St. Louis :)

rayking
5 years 7 months ago

I agree with you, what was Hendry thinking, he definitely lucked out that Dye declined and Nady accepted. (Cards fan agreeing with a Cubs fan, wow!)

My question is – what was Dye thinking? He certainly won’t be offered that by any other team. If the rumors are true that the Reds and Pads are his biggest remaining suitors, he probably is looking at $1.5K at most since both are cash-strapped.

crunchy1
5 years 7 months ago

I’m equally amazed that Dye believes he’ll get more than that 3.3M (plus incentives?) I’m really interested to see how it works out for him. If Damon is having trouble getting 3M…how realistic is it that Dye will get that much?

susasskuash
5 years 7 months ago

I miss the Washington Times sports section. They would have real news about Dunn and O-Hud negotiations by now. Not made-up stories by Ladson delivered via twitter or complete silence by the Washington Post staff.

formerdraftpick
5 years 7 months ago

Why can’t Washington get creative over the Hudson signing? Instead of paying him for 2 years at $10 million, work with him to spread the dollar amount over a 5 year period and throw some extra incentives at him or performance bonuses.

optionn
5 years 7 months ago

I feel soo sorry for Arod and all he went thru last year. I mean he barely makes any money and Sports Illustrated said he used steroids when he never did.

wakefield4life
5 years 7 months ago

I’m still laughing at the blunder that is Johnny Damon’s financial future. He should have taken that first offer from the yanks. Perhaps some team will resurrect the old polo grounds, and then damon would finally pop 30 HRs.

R_y_a_n
5 years 7 months ago

But he knew people would offer him a lot of money. If you quit your job of $60,000 and you KNEW people would make you offers of more money, you’d probably do the same thing.

“Up until now he had also been labeled as a choker” has very little to do with him being a “douche” or this argument.

I’m not telling you to start liking him, but to call him a “douche” from knowing only what the media says (the same media so many of you all criticize) is wrong.

n0s
5 years 7 months ago

The part about the media is the best point. Every single one of you says a bunch of crap about the media and how they make people look bad and all that stuff, but when you need to defend yourself, you use the media. And it’s pretty clear that A-Rod wants to win which is why he has been on 3 teams and didn’t want to leave the Yankees. You and I both know that A-Rod has the best chance of winning when he is on the Yankees and look what happened, he finally won it all!

And just another tidbit of info, I read somewhere awhile back that A-Rod was at Jeter’s house a few years ago and was asking him where the baseball channels were so he could watch a game and Jeter said he didn’t have any and didn’t really watch baseball that much. A-Rod lives and breathes baseball and has great passion for the game.

You can bring up the steroids and all that but I at least respect him for admitting it instead of the other asswipes that continously deny it (Palmeiro, Clemens)

R_y_a_n
5 years 7 months ago

So when the media bashes Met players, do you just give in? Or do you defend your player when you talk about him at the bar, or dinner table or whatever?

Could I see a link to where they said that? I’ve never heard of it.

Just because Yanksfan mentioned it doesn’t mean it’s relevant.

So, let’s say you’re advisor tells you you can get more money doing something one way, but you’re already making a good amount of money? A lot of people will take the chance and do something a different way, knowing (like A-Rod could be pretty sure of) that at worst they’d resign for their same value. Does this always work? Of course not, but that is for more fringe-all-star players. A-Rod is a superstar.

n0s
5 years 7 months ago

I’d like to see a link as well for this interview stuff. And I fail to see how he had one good year in the playoffs. A-Rod has had 4 good post-seasons, two with the Mariners, and two with the Yankees. Do a little research and stop talking out of your ass. And the only reason A-Rod wanted to leave the Yankees in ’07 was so he could play SS, making the Mets a prime candidate since they have a ton of money and a SS who also plays 2B in Reyes and were actually a pretty good team at the time. But when it all came down to it, instead of taking less money so he could play his real position, he took more to have a shot to win it all.

n0s
5 years 7 months ago

I never said that A-Rod left to play for the Mets. I said they were a prime candidate, there’s a difference.