Odds & Ends: Ruiz, Braves, Offenses, Yankees

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0bsessions
5 years 5 months ago

That can’t be accurate! The Boston Globe insists that the Red Sox offense this season is terrible and will absolutely fall apart with Jason Bay!

gwells
5 years 5 months ago

baaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahaha….

ah, sometimes you just have to laugh at how utterly misguided, narcissistic, and confused some professional athletes can be.

cubnation
5 years 5 months ago

Hey milton, if you ever come back to chicago we will be waiting

start_wearing_purple
start_wearing_purple
5 years 5 months ago

It also wasn’t him it was Montreal, Cleveland, Los Angeles, Oakland, San Diego, Arlington, and soon it’ll be not him but Seattle.

BaseballFan0707
5 years 5 months ago

My dad one subtly hinted at the idea of Bradley in pinstripes, back in ’08 when the offense was struggling.

It was the closest I ever came to striking my father with cruel intent.

Bradley just needs to go away.

Infield Fly
5 years 5 months ago

Ah but Bradley doesn’t just get on all those teams by himself. If he’s going to “go away” teams need to stop signing him. Caveat emptor….

BaseballFan0707
5 years 5 months ago

A sad, but true fact.

diehardcubbie
5 years 5 months ago

I’m just glad one more team was willing to try!

start_wearing_purple
start_wearing_purple
5 years 5 months ago

Well it’s been not so subtly hinted on this site a few times. Seriously can anyone imagine the mental breakdown Bradley would have playing with the yanks? Imagine his first trip to Boston…

BaseballFan0707
5 years 5 months ago

“‘The fans of Boston are racist for booing me so loudly.”

“Mr. Bradley, are you aware of the intensity of the Yankees-Red Sox rivalry?”

“The fans of Boston are even more racist with that added in now. They hate black people and stripes.”

Yes, I think he would be that stupid.

5 years 5 months ago

In all honesty, it’s time for a redemption story for Bradley. He’s dug so deep that its very similiar to John Rocker at this point. I’m serious, it’s time for a selfish human being that is in the public eye, very Bradley-esque, to redeem themselves not only with MLB, owners, fans, but with their own outlook on life. That would be great for the new direction the M’s are moving this offseason.

BaseballFan0707
5 years 5 months ago

While I won’t argue that the M’s are a good team to try and accomplish that with, I say wishful thinking on your part, as of right now, that is.

5 years 5 months ago

The guy had a career worst year. Although, yes, it is Milton Bradley, the upside is completely and totally attainable. M’s are loaded with leadership and tons of OBP. The stage is already being set…

I actually meant that a Josh Hamilton type of redemption story would be nice, but a Terrell Owens tearful cry defending Tony Romo seems more likely.

BaseballFan0707
5 years 5 months ago

I agree with you on the second bit. But the reason why I question the upside is because the success came in Arlington. Outside of that ballpark, he’s been pretty average/below average.

crunchy1
5 years 5 months ago

LOL…that about sums it up for him. I just shake my head when Seattle fans think Griffey will take him under his wing and everything will be okay. It isn’t that simple. Bradley’s narcissistic. It’s always about him. It’s never his fault. Griffey can’t fix that. Bradley will be Bradley. It’s just a matter of whether Seattle can tolerate him long enough for him to make it through the year without becoming a distraction.

start_wearing_purple
start_wearing_purple
5 years 5 months ago

I still think Seattle got the better end of the trade in dumping Silva, but yeah… the breakdown of Milton Bradley is as inevitable as death and taxes.

crunchy1
5 years 5 months ago

It depends on how you look at it. If it’s Bradley for Silva then, yeah. Silva stinks. But the Cubs had no plans to open the season with Bradley and still managed to pawn him off and pick up 9M in the process. Without that money, the Cubs couldn’t fit Byrd and Nady on their 2010 payroll…They should easily surpass Bradley’s production from last year. Both teams got what they wanted. The Ms get a volatile, but talented player at reduced financial risk (small enough where he can be released if need be) and the Cubs get money used to get themselves their two biggest needs — a centerfielder and a big bat off the bench. If by some miracle Silva becomes useful, that’s just a bonus. No one’s expecting anything from him this year.

thejerkstore
5 years 5 months ago

There is a big part of me that just wants Silva to be awful in ST becuase you know any small hint of success means they are going consider him for the #5 spot. I don’t think they have the stones to just release him before the season but if he is ineffective in middle relief they may just do it eventuually.

crunchy1
5 years 5 months ago

Yeah, me too! I don’t usually root against Cubs but I hope Silva pitches like he’s capable (which is horribly bad) this spring so the Cubs have no choice but to release him. We’ve got a lot of young arms who can do much better than him in relief.

start_wearing_purple
start_wearing_purple
5 years 5 months ago

I just don’t see the Cubs releasing Silva unless he has a 10 ERA going into June. They still owe him $16M one way or another.

crunchy1
5 years 5 months ago

You’re probably right. But if it were me, I’d release him. If I’m the owner, I figure I have the choice to either pay Silva 8M to pitch middle relief or 8.4M to release him and replace him with a promising rookie like John Gaub. I’d go with the latter. That being said, I’m not the owner and it’s not my money! You also have to factor in Piniella who mentions everyday how he needs “veterans” in his bullpen so, in the end, it wouldn’t surprise me to see Silva mopping up or, worse, the Cubs giving him a few starts as the #5 guy. I’ve been a Cub fan too long to be shocked if the Cubs do something ridiculous.

start_wearing_purple
start_wearing_purple
5 years 5 months ago

I thought you were a White Sox fan

crunchy1
5 years 5 months ago

I’m a fan of both teams. I’m a Cub fan because I grew up on the north side and I’m a Sox fan because my wife is a huge fan…we split the games we go to each year, so the Sox just sort of grew on me!

BaseballFan0707
5 years 5 months ago

That, sir, is an impressive and great marriage ya got going.

It’s tough for a Yankee/Red Sox marriage type thing, but I can easily see it as tougher for Cubs/White Sox. That is probably just as if not more intense. Just doesn’t get as much national attention.

crunchy1
5 years 5 months ago

LOL! It takes a lot to overcome an intense rivalry like the Cubs/Sox! It’s pretty fun when they play each other. She’ll call me from work the minute after a Sox victory, but becomes suspiciously interested in other subjects when it’s the other way around! So I have to ask her (innocently, of course) what the score of the game was that day.

The rivalry is intense when they play each other, but, in general, Cub fans are doting fans. They’re too busy adoring the Cubs and they don’t care much for what the Sox are doing until they play each other. Sox fans, on the other hand, are as happy when the Cubs lose as when the Sox get victory. They root against the Cubs 24/7. I imagine it may have been something like that with NY/Bos until Boston won a WS. Boston was the “little brother” in terms of championships and had that chip on their shoulder. Whereas now that rivalry has evened out a little with Boston, winning championships of their own and both teams vying for top players. In Chicago, it isn’t about championships (unfortunately), it’s about attention. The Cubs get the media attention in Chicago, get better TV ratings, sell more tickets and merchandise, etc. and Sox fans can’t stand it because this holds true even when the Cubs stink and the Sox are winning. Even their WS championship didn’t garner as much attention as they would have liked and, over the years really has become sort of forgotten (until Sox fans remind Cub fans, of course!) Nothing would mortify Sox fans more than the way this city would erupt if the Cubs were ever to break their 101 year slump! And I imagine I’d probably have to sleep on the couch for a while :)

thejerkstore
5 years 5 months ago

Then here is hoping for a 10 ERA in June :)

It remains to be seen how a ricketts owned team will handle this

start_wearing_purple
start_wearing_purple
5 years 5 months ago

I’m giving you good odds on a 10 ERA or greater in June for Silva 😉

Of course there have been dozens of pitchers who’ve been helped by a move to the NL. Though Silva would have been better off not moved to a hitters park.

BK
5 years 5 months ago

Every Year the Angels offense and record are predicted to be significantly lower than the previous year and every year it is wrong. Look for the Angels to be the 3rd best offense and win 93. Again.

bjsguess
5 years 5 months ago

For those curious …

The Angels were projected to win 85 games last year according to Chone. They had a 3% chance to win the 97 games that they actually won. When you factor in that they lost significant time to injuries to Lackey, Escobar, Santana, Shields, Vlad, Adenhart, Hunter and Rivera it makes the number look even more crazy. This was clearly a case of the projection system simply not properly evaluating the talent. Guess I’m not shocked by the lack of respect they are getting this year either. Is losing Figgins really going to cost them a half run/game?

Here’s how the AL West shaped up (Chone/Actual/Exceeded Wins )
Angels – 85-77 / 97-65 / +12
Rangers – 72-90 / 87-75 / +15
Mariners – 78-84 / 85-77 / +7
A’s – 81-81 / 75-87 / -4
The projection system shorted the AL West by 30 wins.

Compare that to the AL East:
Yankees – 97-65 / 103-59 / +6
Red Sox – 96-66 / 95-67 / -1
Rays – 89-73 / 84-78 / -5
Jays – 75-87 / 75-87 / 0
O’s – 74-88 / 64-98 / -10
The AL East was overstated by 10 wins.

Finally, the AL Central …
Twins – 79-83 / 87-76 / +8
Tigers – 85-77 / 86-77 / +1
WS – 73-89 / 79-83 / +6
Indians – 90-72 / 65-97 / -35
Royals – 72-90 / 65-97 / -7
Net difference is -27 wins.

On a whole the AL East and AL Central were fairly accurate (exception being Cleveland). However, the AL West was totally wrong.

I wish this was a recent trend. Unfortunately, the AL West just doesn’t get it’s just due. I’ve stopped paying attention to these projection systems because they have proven time and time again to be nothing more than educated guesses. Its fun to look at and debate but the actual value is pretty low.

TwinsVet
5 years 5 months ago

Great analysis.

I think projections need to be taken in context. They are, simply, a “likely outcome if nothing else changes”. But obviously, things change. Owners, managers, and players see the direction things are going, and react. For example, the Indians fall out of contention, so they go into sell mode, and it throws April 1st projections out the window.

Projections, like all statistics, can be useful if properly understood and applied. But only as one mere tool in the arsenal.

yankeesnmore27
5 years 5 months ago

Tim, you have to be kidding with Boston at #2.

They ranked third last season, their home/road splits were awful, and they just replaced their most productive hitter by a mile with Mike Cameron.

0bsessions
5 years 5 months ago

Name me another AL team likely to score more runs than the Sox. And I’m not talking just “it could happen if the stars align etc,” I’m talking a team that in all probability will outscore the Sox outside of the Yankees. There simply isn’t one. Let’s take into account that, despite losing Bay, they gained a full season of Martinez over Varitek (Which essentially put it as a wash) and despite being a an average shortstop, that position is upgraded by virtue of having someone other than Lugo. That aside, they’ve still got one of the more productive first top and middle lineups in the game. Their offense is at least as good as last season and quite probably better overall. Every single analyst worth a damn has pointed this out over and over, what mental deficiency do you have that keeps you from noticing the obvious?

BoSoxSam
5 years 5 months ago

Well, for shortstop I think you also mean someone other than Lowrie or Green (who were the main shortstops for Boston last year), but actually either example works.

I’m really really excited for the Red Sox this year. We’ve been without cable the last couple of years, preferring to listen on the radio or watch Gameday online, but this year I’ve lobbied to get cable again, because I am just so excited to see this team play. The offense doesn’t have a big bopper in the middle, which makes people nervous, but I think if everyone stays healthy and a couple guys make modest comebacks (I’m looking at you, Ortiz and Beltre), this could be one of the best top to bottom offenses in baseball. Add to that one of the best top to bottom rotations, and this could be scary. Again, no clear ace (well, Lester), and no clear #4 hitter, but EXTREMELY solid throughout.

Ferrariman
5 years 5 months ago

Twins.

Ellsbury over span but not by much
Pedroia over hudson
Vmart under mauer and it’s not even close
Youk under morneau
Ortiz under cuddyer
Drew equal kubel
Beltre less than or equal to delmon youNg
After that is mostly toss-ups with cameron vs hardy and Scutaro vs punto

Mooks
5 years 5 months ago

That was the only other team I could think of too. Depending on how that new park plays, the Twins could have a scary offense this year. If their pitching holds up they will be a great team.

Ferrariman
5 years 5 months ago

oh yeah and I think overall in the majors the RS would be #4-6

1)yankees
2)phillies
3)cardinals/twins
4)cardinals/twins
5)rays/red sox

Just for fun…

Ellsbury = bartlett
Pedroia equal Crawford
Vmart under longoria
Youk over pena
Ortiz under zobrist
Drew over upton
Beltre so so to burrell
After that, toss ups with cameron, scutaro, shoppach and so forth

NL_East_Rivalry
5 years 5 months ago

Angels, Rangers, and M’s have a chance, but it all depends if the M’s OBP plan works, if Wood is really as good as they say, and if Arlington can continue to bump up their offensive stats.

5 years 5 months ago

My question is: what is the weather like on Milton Bradley’s planet and is there *any* chance there is intelligent life there? MB himself seems a bad omen on this point.

04Forever
5 years 5 months ago

I love how people have been saying the sox offense is the kiss of death for the team, and yet they are on the heels of the yankees in second place in the AL, and maybe the majors, maybe the phillies are in second though im not sure

5 years 5 months ago

Lights out pitching is carrying alot of that weight. The offense needs improvements yes, but who knows, we will see.

Obscurity
5 years 5 months ago

I have absolutely no respect Marchman after reading that article, ranking Jack Z high and Tony Reagins so low made me want to vomit.

i miss brendan ryan's mustache
5 years 5 months ago

Agreed!
In what world is Hendry a better GM than Frank Wren.. or 10ish other GM’s?

Hellobrooklyn
5 years 5 months ago

I stopped reading after Brian Cashman was listed at 3. How hard is it to have all the money in the world and get to go shopping????? Signing CC , Tex and Burnett to inflated contracts doesn’t make you a good GM..IF they would have landed Halladay then he would have earned some respect from me.. Also , what has Theo Epstein done so great? Lackey?

R_y_a_n
5 years 5 months ago

Yea, blow up the farm system for one player. Great idea.

Ferrariman
5 years 5 months ago

whats their to blow up? technically, joba and hughes are no longer farm-hands.

that leaves montero and romine..maybe McCallister as worth mentioning.

i doubt that would get the deal done because Jays will ask for more if its a division rival.

BoSoxSam
5 years 5 months ago

What I found strange was how, with GMs like Neal Huntington, he rated them near the bottom of the pack, even while giving them mostly a positive review. It’s like he commends them on rebuilding and knows they know they aren’t competing yet, but they are clearly working towards competing, and still ranks them low because the club performed poorly. It ended up being good teams at the top, bad teams (even if the GM is doing a good job) at the bottom, with the very bottom of the list being the GMs he actually thought were bad at their job. Pretty inconsistent article I thought.

Guest
5 years 5 months ago

Switching agents must be the cool thing nowadays.

bravesphanatik
5 years 5 months ago

so we needed a detailed article to tell us that braves are extremely injury-proned?

and what is with glaus? what a horrible signing that was in the first place but this dude comes to camp in no where near good shape… hes fat now and has zero muscle mass as far as i can tell. what has this guy been doing for the last two years? nothing obviously. i figured he would have come to camp in terrific shape seeing as this season could make or break the rest of his career, financially speaking of course. dude kind of looks like a slob… instead of like a first baseman. dont know how we keep him healthy… but we have to pray for monster seasons from chipper, mcann, yunel and heyward (which is not really plausible) to keep pace offensively with other teams in our division.

Holy_Roman_Emperor
5 years 5 months ago

Actually, Bradley’s 2009 season line was EXACTLY what I expected.

I also completely expected Bradley to make charges of “racism” at several points down the line.

Also, in what nonsensical world can Jim Hendry be rated higher than John Mozeliak???

Anyone who gives 5 million dollars to Aaron Miles to play baseball should be automatically transferred to the position of “cotton candy vendor.” ……………………….. The Aaron Miles signing was honestly just the crowning-icing of Hendry’s patheticness. All sorts of examples are piling at the top of my head at the moment: trading Nolasco, 40 million for Fukudome, the Zambrano and Bradley contracts. I could literally go on all day. He honestly deserves to be rated right next to Dayton Moore, except the thing is that he’s had the luxury of being able to throw money at problems to partially disguise his incompetence and buy some wins.

Sure, Hendry has stepped into some decent stuff like Reed Johnson, and A-Ram, but every team has its fortuitous deals as a natural course of things. The dozens of nonsensical moves like trading DeRosa to make room for Bradley are inexcusable. More evidence that some players should never be granted the security of a large, multi-year deal.

This is saying nothing of Soriano, which could soon become the worst contract in the game, on the books for the Cubs.

And Walt Jocketty WAS one of the best GM’s in the early 2000’s, but he’s been using the same tired game and strategies which are no longer relevant or effective in the 2010’s. The Reds would be behooved to remove both Jocketty and Baker in favor of some more dynamic and younger individuals with fresh ideas.

InTheKZone
5 years 5 months ago

I don’t if Mozeliak should be so far down that list of GM’s. Sure he hasn’t had to do a ton but as last year proved, he’s willing to make some moves if push comes to shove.

neoncactus
5 years 5 months ago

Marchman’s list was terrible. First, he penalizes a GM like Colletti for having cheap ownership, even putting Jed Hoyer, who’s done nothing, ahead of him. Jon Daniels has also had a limited budget, and is ranked 8th despite winning nothing. If you want to rank the MLB owners, then yeah, McCourt ranks at or near the bottom. But despite having a cheap owner in a big market, Colletti has made solid moves for low cost. The big money moves he did make blew up in his face, but he’s still gotten the Dodgers to the postseason several times.

But then Marchman also penalizes Jocketty for having Pujols and LaRussa on his team. Huh? I’m by no means a Cardinals fan, but without having a budget close to the Yankees and Red Sox, the Cards were pretty consistent winners with Jocketty.

I think the season needs to start quickly so all these bored sportswriters will have some reality to write about rather than use their poor imaginations.

danny_duberstein
5 years 5 months ago

Seattle is expecting 30 HRs from a guy who has only hit 15+ HRs in a season twice in his career?

Well that’s certainly aiming high…

TwinsVet
5 years 5 months ago

Jacque Jones, definitely one of baseball’s likeable personalities, recently told LEN3 of the Strib about his experience in CubbyLand. He said that as soon as his hitting slumped, he started getting phone calls to his personal cell, with an onslaught of racial attacks.

Bradley’s still a tool – but it seems completely reasonable that he was subjected to quite a bit of race-based criticism, based on Jones’ recounting of Cub fans.

5 years 5 months ago

It was wrong of the Cubs and their fans to expect Milton to not throw the ball into the stands after only 2 outs. They were wrong to expect him to not chek himself out of games he didn’t want to play in. They were wrong to expect him to make contact with the ball. Race or not, that guy destroyed himself in Chicago, not the other way around.

That being said, I do think he will have a solid season with the M’s though.

Sorry, the race card is not valid anymore, it expired.

studio179
5 years 5 months ago

You hate white, rich fans. Nice. Work on your issues. Also, make accurate statements. The Cubs had Ernie Banks on the club in late ’53. Milwaukee (Aaron ’54), Pittsburg (Roberts ’54), St. Louis (Alston ’54), Cincinnati (Escalera, Harmon ’54) and Philadelphia (Kennedy ’57) all had black players in the NL after the Cubs did.

start_wearing_purple
start_wearing_purple
5 years 5 months ago

Ok, I’m absolutely SICK of the bs insinuations how the Red Sox are a racist team. Yes they were the last team to get a black player but so what, that was the freaking past. Get over it. And as a lower middle class white man let me just say this: I never had a problem with someone because they are a different race. My problem with Bradley is he’s a whiny brat. If he was white I’d call him a whiny brat, if he was ANY race I’d call him a whiny brat.

jxavier
5 years 5 months ago

Actually the last NL team to take an African American in the NL was the Phillies. Check your facts before you make racism allegations.

studio179
5 years 5 months ago

Please. Every city Milton plays for it was their fault. We have booed our GM. Getting Silva was not the reason that trade went down. It was getting cash back to soften the blow. The Cubs don’t want or have any use for Silva. You obviously have quite a bit of hate going on and just want to hate on the Cubs. Have at it. Moving on.

thejerkstore
5 years 5 months ago

For what it is worth, I sat down the right field line/bleachers at about 15 games in wrigley last year and while it is true the fans were hard on Bradley (not necessarily racist) they were also equally hard on guys like Soriano, Pinella, Fontenot and Gregg and Soto at times.

Also i don’t remember any expectations being put on him for 30 hrs – they put him in the cleanup spot but that was more about breaking up the right handed bats i thought.

theWeiz
5 years 5 months ago

he never blamed san diego or texas

TwinsVet
5 years 5 months ago

I hear ya.

I just thought that, as Jones described, getting a hold of a players’ personal cell phone and calling it 200+ times a day to call him racial slurs is, probably, more of a headache than most MLB outfielders have to deal with.

5 years 5 months ago

Doesn’t Soriano have an agreement with the Cubs that he is to not be booed or ridiculed in his home bleachers?

thejerkstore
5 years 5 months ago

Don’t get me wrong, i don’t doubt that happend to Jones. Like any fan base, there are plenty of psychotic cub fans.

I never quite understood the Jacque Jones hate – he was not signed for a ridiculous amount of money. He had no arm but played the hell out of the outfield (was actually a really good centerfielder when they had no other options).

crunchy1
5 years 5 months ago

They also didn’t want him back…even at the reduced price the Mariners got him for.

thejerkstore
5 years 5 months ago

I don’t believe so, but he does apparently have one that states he does not
have to come within 20 feet of a brick wall

theWeiz
5 years 5 months ago

that is 100% incorrect. the padres offered a one year deal for $4 million. the rangers got him for one year, $5 million. so the padres were out bid. when he left the rangers he thought he deserved a multi-year deal. the rangers didn’t bite because he can’t stay healthy and only wanted to give him a one year deal.

BoSoxSam
5 years 5 months ago

I think all three of those teams will give the AL East title a run for its money. The Yanks are the favorites, sure, but I still think they could be taken down. The Rays are pretty scary this year, good to mention, but for some reason I see them either as really taking over and winning the division, or they’re coming in third.

ilikebaseball
5 years 5 months ago

If I could click ‘love’ on this post, I would. Give it a freakin’ rest, people.

Guest
5 years 5 months ago

Start_wearing_purple, you are a good guy.

crunchy1
5 years 5 months ago

I’m talking about this year. Hence the phrase “even at the reduced price the Mariners got him for”. The Cubs offered him to both teams and neither team showed legitimate interest. Only the Mariners were willing to take him on at a net salary of 6M over 2 yrs. The next closest bidder, Tampa, wanted to exchange Burrell’s contract for the first year and have the Cubs pay the entire 2nd year…basically that works out to 2 years of Bradley for about 1M. Other reports had the Cubs chipping in 15M, which effectively means Tampa would have been paid 3M to take on Bradley. The Padres or Texas could have had him at 3M/yr in 2010 and 2011, but both didn’t come close to assuming that type of risk.

And even though you provided figures for something different than I was talking about, it still shows that the Padres weren’t going to bend over backwards for a guy who is such a great hitter and supposedly made no problems for them. One year and 5M (which I believe was incentive-laden) in that economy was not the big deal it is today. Additionally, the Padres paid him 4M the year before, meaning they didn’t offer him a raise of any kind. That doesn’t sound like a team eager to keep him on.

theWeiz
5 years 5 months ago

the padres and texas had enough outfielders for starters. most importantly, they didn’t want a second year added. not because of attitude, but the fact he can’t stay on the field. i understand tampa had a some what of a deal, but who’s to say the same was offered to either team. and tampa has nothing to do with what i originally said.

and on the part of where i went another direction, the padres are a small market team. they hardly ever win a bidding war. so they tend to make an offer and leave it at that.

you can twist this all you want, both teams never had a problem with him and welcomed him back. after he signed with the cubs, texas and san diego obviously went other directions.

crunchy1
5 years 5 months ago

Oh yeah, the Padres were loaded in the outfield. If they’d rather have guys like Giles, Hairston, McAnulty…well they must not want to keep Bradley that badly. And another 1M in incentives wasn’t going to break a small market team anyway. And the Rangers absolutely had a spot for him at DH. They wound up finding a replacement for him in Andruw Jones! Andruw Jones!

The fact they refused to add a second year tells you all you need to know about the dependability of Milton Bradley.

Apparently Milton Bradley isn’t the only one who makes excuses as to why teams haven’t kept him on for more than a year since 2005 and why no team has ever kept him for more than 2 full seasons in a row.

theWeiz
5 years 5 months ago

the rangers and padres had made other plans. they don’t have the money to just add another player because the cubs didn’t want him.

if he was not an injury prone player it would be a totally different story. everyone can deal with a jerk, but a jerk that doesn’t stay healthy is different. if he performed at a level he can, you cub fans would be loving him, even when he calls you racist.

and throwing the ball into the stands, many players have done that.

crunchy1
5 years 5 months ago

And what plans did Texas have? The plan to sign an injury-prone Vlad Guerrero one month after the Cubs tried to trade them Bradley? And sign him for more money in 1 year than they could have gotten Bradley for 2 years? Money they supposedly didn’t have? C’mon. That’s weak.

…And they spent an extra 7.5M on the injury prone Rich Harden. Apparently Texas isn’t shy about adding injury prone players. They just spent 14M on them. So if it isn’t money and it isn’t the fact that he’s injury prone then why oh why in the world do you suppose they took a pass on a talented hitter like Bradley?

theWeiz
5 years 5 months ago

bro, they gave up nothing for vlad. they would have had to give something to the cubs. you don’t know what the cubs and rangers discussed in terms of figures.

an injury prone vlad?

2009 100 games
2008 143
2007 150
2006 156
2005 141
2004 156

milton’s

2009 124
2008 126
2007 122
2006 75
2005 141
2004 101

just admit you don’t like milton and that is the backbone of your argument.

alxn
5 years 5 months ago

I don’t see how you could possibly justify any racist acts, regardless of how Bradley acted.

crunchy1
5 years 5 months ago

The Cubs took the worst pitcher in baseball for Bradley. That’s better than giving up nothing. The only thing Texas had to do was give up a bad contract. And I know what Texas could have gotten Bradley for because I know that Seattle was the team willing to take on the most financial risk and that was a mere 3m/yr.

And Vlad is going into his age 35 year and coming off a major injury in 2009. That will tell you a lot more about his current injury risk than the amount of games he played in 2004-2007. By you’re own numbers, Bradley has actually played in more games the past two years than Guerrero!!

crunchy1
5 years 5 months ago

I’ve reduced you to childish ad hominem attacks. Well, when you can’t win an argument, attack the person. Anyone with any debating background will tell you that.

What bad contract? They were dying to dump Millwood for one. And wound up taking a bad relief pitcher, a C prospect, and paying a good chunk of his salary to do it. Yet, they preferred to do that sad package than take Bradley on again.

Vlad’s deal is 6.5M with a mutual option for 2011. He’s getting paid more for one year than Seattle is paying Bradley for 2 years. So the added year means nothing. Seattle can release Bradley cheaper than for what Texas can release Guerrero. And if Guerrero and Texas approve the mutual option, it gets even more expensive for Texas. Nice try, but you’re out of your league on this one…the ad hominem attacks are an admission of that. It also tells me you’re not someone worth debating. You can respond if you like, but it’s not worth reading for me.

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start_wearing_purple
5 years 5 months ago

Once upon a time, lets say about 10 years ago, I was in a friend’s car with his new girlfriend and our friend who was gay. The new girlfriend and the gay friend were chatting and I remember suddenly the topic changes to gay rights… the new girlfriend starts talking about the immorality of gay people without knowing that the guy she was chatting with was gay. The gay friend and I exchanged a look and finally he mentioned his sexuality to her. Watching her backpedal from her opinion was one of the funniest things I’ve ever seen and likely the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen. But you seem to be trying to take the cake in those regards… “it’s just all Red Sox fans and not you” right? Because a handful of white people IN EVERY fanbase are racist you seem to want to believe it’s only true in the fanbases you dislike as it is. Nice.

Again. Not a race issue… and for that matter not a Boston issue.

Ferrariman
5 years 5 months ago

was she a blonde? :]

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start_wearing_purple
5 years 5 months ago

Shockingly… she was a burnette.

studio179
5 years 5 months ago

“I’ll choose to believe the print sources saying the Cubs and Red Sox were the last teams in their leagues to take on a black player…not you.”

You choose to not know what you are writing about. The Cubs were not the last NL team to bring in a black player. Try Google and get over yourself!

5 years 5 months ago

I absolutely love when people jump into the mix to correct what they interpret as improper without actually analyzing what is being said.

Who is justifying racism? Where is that in my comment? Race or not, that guy did it to himself. Are you somehow telling me that CHC is the mecca for racist migration? Give me a break. I am stating that Milton’s dumb ass, and his dumb ass alone, is why he is no longer on multiple teams, not racism. He is in fact the one who played the “racism” card.

Bradley, an athlete, a top tier athlete, does not know how to handle himself. And when things do not go his way, somehow it’s racism. Out of 3 daily outfielders, all 3 minorities. Out of the entire infield, barring pitching, 2 caucasians are on the field out of 8 positions, yet Bradley is the only one having a career worst year, and the only one screaming racism? Seriously, you can’t put that together? And instead, you take it upon yourself to somehow correct me in a comment that was no way condoning racism. You my friend, just threw the ball into the stands yourself with only 2 outs. Nice battle to pick.

Milton Bradley is a moron who wants his way and is willing to do and say whatever it takes to get it. Great athlete, just a moron.

alxn
5 years 5 months ago

I never accused you of anything. You are essentially a hypocrite for criticizing me about “taking it upon myself to correct you.” I have no idea what you are talking about. I never attempted to “correct” you on anything. I merely said that you can’t possibly justify racism. Where am I wrong?

“Are you somehow telling me that CHC is the mecca for racist migration?”

I have no idea what would lead you to believe that.

Would you like to reply to my actually comment instead of making assumptions, which is exactly what you just got all sensitive about me doing?

You spent an entire post blaming everything on the player, essentially making an excuse for the fans. Your comment about the race card not being valid is complete ridiculous. The race card never expires, that is the way the civil world works. You can hate Bradley all you want and it will never be okay to be racist towards him. If multiple players and other Cubs fans have witnessed the racism themselves then I would say it is pretty valid.

Guest
5 years 5 months ago

No, it was the Red Sox.

NL_East_Rivalry
5 years 5 months ago

NL team

5 years 5 months ago

I do recognize some of your points.

I absolutely cannot agree with you about the race card still being valid. Sorry dude, not in my personal opinion, but keep in mind, this is my opinion. The race card in my opinion does not currently hold validity because its use is now a threat, not a defense. It’s now a tactic. The characterization of “race” has become so distorted that I absolutely cannot agree. You can disagree with me all day long, but in my personal opinion, it is true.

The civil world as you put it, is a myth. It does not exist. What is considered civil one day, is not considered civil the next, in one home, and not the neighbors house. Civility is a banner by which we parade ourselves in front of others who are not like us about the matter at hand. What is considered civil in southern states, is not always considered civil in northern states. France’s idea of civility is not exactly the consensus of the USA. You do realize that one of the major wars of the USA, is labeled under the term Civil, right? War itself does not coexist with what is considered civil. Freedom of speech is also not considered civil.

To discuss Milton: Bradley cannot control what goes on around him, same as ourselves, and he should work on positively controlling himself instead of always blaming others such as his comment that started this board in saying “obviously, it was something with Chicago, not me”…

And in reference to you saying that I got all sensitive, read your post, and note that your response was in reponse to me, CadeMan:
“I don’t see how you could possibly justify any racist acts, regardless of how Bradley acted.”
The term: you, makes it very specific towards me. If your statement was a general statement, then “you” should possibly not have been the weapon of choice.

Again, I have in no way condoned any racist acts or made defense for such actions.

I appreciate the discussion.