Oswalt Approves Phillies Deal; Option Won’t Be Exercised

1:53pm: The deal is done, tweets Rosenthal.  Piecing this together, it appears the Astros send Oswalt and $11MM to the Phillies for Happ, Gose, and Villar, with the Phils potentially adding $1MM to Oswalt's buyout but not exercising his option.

A few tweets from Crasnick: the Cardinals and Padres made late runs at Oswalt today.

1:44pm:  Rosenthal tweets that Oswalt's option is actually a mutual one.  With the trade, his buyout will increase from $1MM to $2MM if the Phillies pick up the option and he declines, and remain at $2MM "if he simply opts out on his own."  Rosenthal adds that the third player in the deal will be shortstop prospect Jonathan Villar.  Some sources spell it "Villan," including the Baseball America Handbook.    

1:34pm: Oswalt has accepted the deal, tweets Matt Gelb of the Philadelphia Inquirer

12:51pm: Gose and Happ are definitely in the deal, tweets CSN Philly's Jim Salisbury.

12:12pm: Oswalt plans to OK the deal, but it's not official yet, reports Stark.  He adds that the Astros will be sending $11MM.  Rosenthal tweets that Oswalt's 2012 option will not be exercised; he'll be compensated some other way.  ESPN's Amy K. Nelson tweets that Oswalt will get $1MM added by the Phillies to the buyout of his '12 option.  She adds that the details are being worked out now regarding Oswalt retaining his no-trade clause. 

ESPN's Jerry Crasnick tweets of a rumor that speedy outfield prospect Anthony Gose may be in the deal.  AOL FanHouse's Ed Price tweets that he's hearing Gose and Worley could be in the swap.

10:43am: Rosenthal tweets that he hears Singleton is not in the deal.

10:17am: The identities of the other two players going to Houston remain unknown, but ESPN's Jayson Stark says the Astros have pushed hard for minor league first baseman Jonathan Singleton

9:04am: The Astros will receive three players for Oswalt, tweets Rosenthal, while also paying a "very significant" part of his salary.  Happ will be one of the three.  Astros owner Drayton McLane has been negotiating directly with Phillies president David Montgomery, reports CBS' Danny Knobler.

7:37am: SI's Jon Heyman hears the Astros and Phillies were discussing Happ, righty Vance Worley, and two younger pitchers (Twitter link).  Worley, a 22-year-old righty, spent most of 2010 at Double A, posting a 3.20 ERA, 6.6 K/9, and 2.9 BB/9.  Baseball America ranked him 18th among Phillies prospects heading into the season, predicting a future as a back-end starter or middle reliever.

1:08am: The Astros and Phillies have reached an agreement on a Roy Oswalt trade, reports Mark Berman of FOX 26 in Houston.  Berman says the Astros are now waiting for Oswalt's approval, having hammered out the players and money with the Phils.  Wednesday morning, Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports had reported that the players were "pretty much agreed on."  Lefty J.A. Happ has been a rumored part of the deal for a while now.

Oswalt's contract has $5.46MM left from his $15MM salary this year, $16MM in 2011, and a 2012 option for $16MM with a $2MM buyout.  It remains to be seen how the Astros and Phillies settled the financials and whether the Phils will pick up Oswalt's option, though SI's Jon Heyman hears that the Astros are sending a lot of money to the Phillies (Twitter link).


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419 Comments on "Oswalt Approves Phillies Deal; Option Won’t Be Exercised"


Nicolas_C
5 years 30 days ago

Not a shocker here, and the Phils continue to add 2011 payroll they can’t afford

frank_costanza
5 years 30 days ago

I refuse to believe that they “cant afford it.” I think they have a self imposed cap. Houston would probably have to send in the neighborhood of $6 million. Deal might include JA Happ, Anthony Gose, Trevor May/Jarred Cosart, and Matthew Rizzotti/Jonathon Singleton. Even though if they include Singleton then that would probably mean May/Cosart are out of the deal.

And if this deal happens, Kyle Kendrick would likely become a sacrificial lamb and be optioned to AAA. Even though he should be a long man and Danys Baez should be optioned to hell.

mikefichera
5 years 30 days ago

Their payroll is going to be tremendous.

cubsfanraysaddict
5 years 30 days ago

according to Cots, they have ~$134 mil in commitments already for 2011 (don’t know if they include arb estimates or not), so this puts them in the 150 range easily. Philly has a window and it’s nice to see an ownership shell out some money to make a run (minus the C. Lee deal).

frank_costanza
5 years 30 days ago

This is where Ruben Amaros genius idea to give Blanton a 2 year $17 million dollar tender, sign a 37 year old outfielder to a 3 year $33 million dollar deal, sign Danys Baez to a $5.25 million dollar deal, and to sign Polanco (who was drawing no interest on the market) to a $18 million dollar deal, comes into play… Not mention had he just kept Cliff Lee, they would have a cheaper pitcher and not be giving up more prospects to acquire an expensive one.

Starting pitching has been the least of their worries, they need a closer.

redsox4120
5 years 30 days ago

How can you take up an argument with Frank Costanza and expect to win?

frank_costanza
5 years 30 days ago

I AM THE SMARTEST PERSON ON THE PLANET.

chucktb
5 years 30 days ago

Not to mention giving the most overrated player in baseball $25 million per year!!!!

bflaff
5 years 30 days ago

Yeah, he’s really struggling right now.

malcolmec
5 years 29 days ago

No amount of money one could pay to Ryan Howard would be overpaying as much as giving any money to Danys Baez is.

chucktb
5 years 30 days ago

Not to mention giving the most overrated player in baseball $25 million per year!!!!

stephen Thayer
5 years 29 days ago

Polly Polanco turned down a 14 or 15 Mill $ offer from the Tigers… A 2 x gold glove AL 2nd basemen w a lifetime .300 avg, and pundits state is a top contact hitter in MLB, def worth the $5 mill and we were going to pay Felice $3.5 Mill, and he was a great fielder but cldnt hit water if he fell outta a boat, so only prob I had was dealing lee and no bullpen help when Matt Capps clda been signed for less then Baez and has 25 NL Saves this year, and is only 26….

Laney Bizzle
5 years 29 days ago

The Phillies bought their 1980 championship. Might as well buy another.

stephen Thayer
5 years 29 days ago

All HATERS bring it.. as far as MLB Goes we have made the 3 most signifigant TRADES IN MLB in past 18 MONTHS ( 4 ACTUALLY ) Lee last year ( then dealing this year ) HALLADAY TO Phillies, NOW OSWALT TO PHILA….

As a longtime full season tix holder i cannot be happier…. This makes amends in my opinionion for LEE DEBACLE

5 years 30 days ago

They let Werth walk and they should be fine…they have Dominic Brown anyway, its actually good that Victorino got injured so that they can get a preview of how Brown can hit major league pitching

frank_costanza
5 years 30 days ago

Man, they would be so left handed then. Youre talking about having Utley, Howard, Ibanez, and Brown in a row. Left handed pitching would have a field day.

5 years 30 days ago

Now now, you’re -obviously- getting Bautista too.

This is why Pat Gillick is a god. He knew how to build scouting systems. No matter how many prospects you guys trade away, you’ll always seem to have more.

jrollpatrol08
5 years 30 days ago

eh….dom brown has a higher batting avg. vs lefties than righties…

jrollpatrol08
5 years 30 days ago

eh….dom brown has a higher batting avg. vs lefties than righties…

zolttt
5 years 30 days ago

they also lose 8 million dollars worth of jamie moyer as well.

frank_costanza
5 years 30 days ago

Thats big, they have about $20 million coming off the books, but a lot of players are due raises. With Contreras and Durbin on 1 year deals, and Oswalt acquisition leaves them no money to upgrade the bullpen and bench.

Jason Klinger
5 years 30 days ago

Not to worry on those fronts. They can replace them with some combination of Bastardo, Worley and Mathieson and not take a step backward.

malcolmec
5 years 29 days ago

I like Durbin, I hope they keep him. He struggled a bit last year but is pitching very consistently this year and had a solid 2008 also. I think the Phillies have been a bit foolish with some of their bullpen moves… they let Condrey go after he had a very good year in 2009, let Eyre retire (which he likely wouldn’t have if they had made him a substantial offer), and replaced them with Contreras, who has been OK but no dramatic improvement, and Baez, who seems to think his out pitch is a belt high fastball. Since Durbin has generally been doing his job, I think it would be in their best interest to resign him.

Jason Klinger
5 years 30 days ago

Not to worry on those fronts. They can replace them with some combination of Bastardo, Worley and Mathieson and not take a step backward.

super_saxy
5 years 30 days ago

It is absolutely a self imposed cap. The Phillies can afford this, they just don’t want to.

I also think that they have the mindset that 3 years (2 plus option) of Oswalt at 16mil is greater than 1 year of Cliff at 9 mil (assuming they don’t want to/can’t pay him 20-25 mil after that). I know that Cliff is way better than Oswalt, but given the money that Cliff will most certainly demand after this year, maybe they think that 2 or three years of Oswalt is better value to them for the money. I’m not saying that I agree with that, but I can see how they would think that.

super_saxy
5 years 30 days ago

It is absolutely a self imposed cap. The Phillies can afford this, they just don’t want to.

I also think that they have the mindset that 3 years (2 plus option) of Oswalt at 16mil is greater than 1 year of Cliff at 9 mil (assuming they don’t want to/can’t pay him 20-25 mil after that). I know that Cliff is way better than Oswalt, but given the money that Cliff will most certainly demand after this year, maybe they think that 2 or three years of Oswalt is better value to them for the money. I’m not saying that I agree with that, but I can see how they would think that.

stephen Thayer
5 years 29 days ago

They canafford it,its a SELF IMPOSED TEAM CAP…One of the owners could BUY THE STEINBRENNERS 5X OVER, read it for yourself, his name is John Middleton and after the Phillies lost game 6 of 2009 WS in NY, he whispered to Ryan Howard ” I WANT MY EFFIN TROPHY BACK” and stated furthermore “He wld do just about anything next season”.. Here is link on the guy…link to phillymag.com

Hearing that he wasnt happy w Lee trade and seeing it weakened the team, the owners realize its wiser to spend $1 to make $5 in return then to spend .50 cents and only make a $1 in return…

Furthermore they have sold out 90 consecutive home games…

Sniderlover
5 years 30 days ago

And they couldn’t afford Lee’s cheap contract?

It should be interesting to see what happens. I am assuming Phils have a plan B if Oswalt rejects the trade though I don’t think he will.

zolttt
5 years 30 days ago

enough about lee, they traded .5 years of lee (they wouldnt get oswalt if they had lee), some high a-ball prospects, and j.a happ… for 2.5? years of oswalt and some higher level prospects.

Sniderlover
5 years 30 days ago

You also have to look at the return they got for Lee.

frank_costanza
5 years 30 days ago

I dont know that that is a fair assessment. They may not have been top rated prospects, but the truth is that we wont know how the deal went until those players hit the big leagues (if they do at all) considering that they are all 20 year old kids.

zolttt
5 years 30 days ago

as of right now, and this holds true for probably close to 3 years… the return they got for lee doesnt matter, they could win another world series in those 3 years.

zolttt
5 years 30 days ago

as of right now, and this holds true for probably close to 3 years… the return they got for lee doesnt matter, they could win another world series in those 3 years.

Jason Klinger
5 years 30 days ago

It wasn’t about this year with Lee. It was about the subsequent years. The conventional wisdom is that Lee’s demands would have started at $20 million per for 4-5 years. While it may seem odd, The Phillies have ALWAYS been a club that prefers to keep its pitchers on 3-year deals. They’ve been gun-shy about long-term deals for pitchers since they signed Ken Howell to a big contract in the ’80s and he suffered injury after injury.

Jason Klinger
5 years 30 days ago

It wasn’t about this year with Lee. It was about the subsequent years. The conventional wisdom is that Lee’s demands would have started at $20 million per for 4-5 years. While it may seem odd, The Phillies have ALWAYS been a club that prefers to keep its pitchers on 3-year deals. They’ve been gun-shy about long-term deals for pitchers since they signed Ken Howell to a big contract in the ’80s and he suffered injury after injury.

oremlk
5 years 30 days ago

Ed Wade personally scouted the Phillies’ low A club earlier this month and the Astros are rumored to be very high on Singleton, so I’m thinking he might be the other centerpiece besides Happ.

frank_costanza
5 years 30 days ago

Everybody is high on Singleton. He is a potential franchise first baseman. He is about 2 years from the bigs too.

5 years 30 days ago

Which makes Singleton one of the best trade chips for the Phillies, since they’ve committed so heavily to Howard.

oremlk
5 years 30 days ago

Well, I know all that, I’m just saying that the Astros particularly were supposed to be focused on him. Guess we’ll find out soon enough whether they got him.

5 years 29 days ago

Hearing instructors compare him to Manny Ramirez might do it.

johnsilver
5 years 30 days ago

I wouldn’t put a lot of stock in Ed Wade’s scouting ability. One has to just look at the miserable Astros farm system over the last few years and see how well of a job he has done with scouting overall.

On Oswalt.. If they can afford to pick him up, should really give them a NYY/Boston, TB equivalent rotation in the NL and might be what they are thinking.. Going 3 deep and trying run prevention, which is kind of strange with that extremely potent offense that they have when healthy. They actualy now match up pretty well with the NYY front *3* wise **IF** can get health and fix that BP, but as they say.. Got to get the WS 1st.

frank_costanza
5 years 30 days ago

Ed Wade built the current Phillies. Rollins, Utley, Hamels, Howard, Madson, Pat Burrell… all his doing.

5 years 30 days ago

Any average joe with a Baseball America and a bit of luck could’ve put those guys together.

Rollins was a high 2nd rounder, Utley 15th overall, Hamels a high 1st rounder who had slipped because of a broken arm, Burrell was drafted 1st overall (and hasn’t been in Philadelphia for some time).

5 years 30 days ago

Any average joe with a Baseball America and a bit of luck could’ve put those guys together.

Rollins was a high 2nd rounder, Utley 15th overall, Hamels a high 1st rounder who had slipped because of a broken arm, Burrell was drafted 1st overall (and hasn’t been in Philadelphia for some time).

chucktb
5 years 30 days ago

Mike Arbuckle built those who came from the farm system.

oremlk
5 years 30 days ago

Um, the farm system was a mess because of the previous GM, Tim Purpura, not Wade. Ed Wade brought back a focus on prospects and the farm and the Astros’ system has improved every year since he got here in 2007.

It went from being by far the worst system in the minors in 2008 to what’s now probably around the 20th best, and depending on the return in this trade, could be in the top 15 or better at the end of the year.

johnsilver
5 years 30 days ago

Perhaps not quite as bad, but the Tejada deal took away from this system and who knows how the expensive LT deals given to Lee, Berkman and oswalt affected drafting/bonuses other than the usual high top 20 pick of Houston’s of late.

I just dislike seeing any team not go out and scout/draft/sign players in mid-lower rounds that are passed up due to signability reasons and teams that needed a farm system replenished as badly as Houstons did (do), especially after giving away the cream in that Tejada fiasco had all the reason in the world to do so.

Not trying to knock the team into the ground, just the way they went about drafting the same old way it seemed for a few years.

oremlk
5 years 30 days ago

Categorically:

The Astros did not give up anything of particular value for Tejada (check up on the status of the pieces they traded if you don’t believe me).

Ed Wade did not give Oswalt, Berkman, or Lee their current contracts. That was done by the previous general manager. Those three players were already under contract when Wade was given the job.

They have been drafting much, much better since Wade arrived and hired scouting director Bobby Heck, who is well-respected by analysts, scouts, and cross-checkers.

johnsilver
5 years 30 days ago

Perhaps not quite as bad, but the Tejada deal took away from this system and who knows how the expensive LT deals given to Lee, Berkman and oswalt affected drafting/bonuses other than the usual high top 20 pick of Houston’s of late.

I just dislike seeing any team not go out and scout/draft/sign players in mid-lower rounds that are passed up due to signability reasons and teams that needed a farm system replenished as badly as Houstons did (do), especially after giving away the cream in that Tejada fiasco had all the reason in the world to do so.

Not trying to knock the team into the ground, just the way they went about drafting the same old way it seemed for a few years.

5 years 30 days ago

Phillies staff > Every other staff.

letsgogiants
5 years 30 days ago

Oh so the Phillies pitching is better than the Cardinals, Giants, and Padres? Yeah right…Keep dreaming.

redsox4120
5 years 30 days ago

Johnny did say “every other staff”, so you would have to include the AL:

Rays
Red sox
Yankees(and I’m a red sox fan)
Rangers

SixtoLezcano
5 years 30 days ago

Angels…

I’d take Haren/Weaver over Halladay/Oswalt

frank_costanza
5 years 30 days ago

You’re kidding… right?

letsgogiants
5 years 30 days ago

If Haren were to rebound I would think that is a fair proposal. Plus Haren and Weaver are younger and are more cost-controlled than Oswalt and Halladay.

frank_costanza
5 years 30 days ago

If were talking talent, then its not even close. Halladay/Oswalt/Hamels in comparison to Weaver/Haren/Santana or Piniero.

Dont get me wrong, I love Weaver, but he is not Halladay or Oswalt. And I seem to be the only one who thinks Haren is overrated.

SixtoLezcano
5 years 30 days ago

You’re right, Weaver is not Oswalt. He’s better and younger than Oswalt. Just because his name isn’t plastered all over ESPN 24/7 and he isn’t linked to an East Coast team doesn’t mean he isn’t ridiculously good. But I’m not sure I can reason with someone who thinks Dan Haren is overrated…

SixtoLezcano
5 years 30 days ago

You’re right, Weaver is not Oswalt. He’s better and younger than Oswalt. Just because his name isn’t plastered all over ESPN 24/7 and he isn’t linked to an East Coast team doesn’t mean he isn’t ridiculously good. But I’m not sure I can reason with someone who thinks Dan Haren is overrated…

BruhoftheYear2k13
5 years 30 days ago

Like Oswalt is plastered over ESPN all the time. This summer was the most face time he’s ever received, and most of it doesn’t at all reflect the kind of guy or pitcher he is. If you think Weaver or Haren is EVEN CLOSE to the caliber of pitcher Roy Oswalt is, you’re delusional.

chucktb
5 years 30 days ago

Both of them are better than Oswalt but Halladay’s one of the top 2 or 3 pitchers in baseball.

Biggio3000
5 years 30 days ago

162 Game Averages:

Oswalt: 16-9 3.24 ERA 221 IP 182 K 0.8 HR/9 2.1 BB/9 7.4 K/9 Haren: 14-11 3.71 ERA 219 IP 189 K 1.1 HR/9 2.0 BB/9 7.8 K/9 Weaver: 15-9 3.63 ERA 209 IP 181 K 1.0 HR/9 2.5 BB/9 7.8 K/9 Halladay: 17-9 3.34 ERA 234 IP 174 K 0.8 HR/9 1/9 BB/9 6.7 K/9 Lee: 16-9 3.81 ERA 217 IP 165 K 1.0 HR/9 2.3 BB/9 6.8 K/9

Biggio3000
5 years 30 days ago

162 Game Averages:

Oswalt: 16-9 3.24 ERA 221 IP 182 K 0.8 HR/9 2.1 BB/9 7.4 K/9 Haren: 14-11 3.71 ERA 219 IP 189 K 1.1 HR/9 2.0 BB/9 7.8 K/9 Weaver: 15-9 3.63 ERA 209 IP 181 K 1.0 HR/9 2.5 BB/9 7.8 K/9 Halladay: 17-9 3.34 ERA 234 IP 174 K 0.8 HR/9 1/9 BB/9 6.7 K/9 Lee: 16-9 3.81 ERA 217 IP 165 K 1.0 HR/9 2.3 BB/9 6.8 K/9

BruhoftheYear2k13
5 years 30 days ago

Like Oswalt is plastered over ESPN all the time. This summer was the most face time he’s ever received, and most of it doesn’t at all reflect the kind of guy or pitcher he is. If you think Weaver or Haren is EVEN CLOSE to the caliber of pitcher Roy Oswalt is, you’re delusional.

moonraker45
5 years 30 days ago

hhahahaha good one.

moonraker45
5 years 30 days ago

hhahahaha good one.

zolttt
5 years 30 days ago

well lets think about this here, yeah the padres are having a great season… but if you told me i could have halladay, oswalt, hamels, blanton, and etc… or latos, richard, leblanc, garland… honestly who would you take? I think latos is going to be a star, but seriously?? halladay, oswalt, and hamels is not really that far behind carp, wainwright, and garcia, hamels is better than garcia, halladay and carp are a wash, and oswalt isnt far behind wainwright. The giants staff ill give you, id consider taking over the phils staff due to age/potential, but it wouldnt be as easy as youre making it out to be…

letsgogiants
5 years 30 days ago

You’re right about the Padres, I’ll give you that one. But the post I was replying to was noting that the Phillies did have the best rotation, which I disagreed with. I may have been a little blunt on my reply, but it was the first thought that popped into my head when reading that. With the addition of Oswalt, the Phillies rotation should be strong, but not as strong as the Giants, Red Sox, Cardinals (not by much, as you noted, but would still rather have), and maybe even the Rays and Athletics in the near future. Both the Rays and Athletics have a lot of young, cost-controlled pitching depth that will be dominant in the near future. Long-term would you rather have an aging Phillies pitching depth that will cost a lot in the next few years or a young, cost controlled pitching staff that has already proved to be one of the top in the league with both the Rays and Athletics?

frank_costanza
5 years 30 days ago

What would separate the Phils rotation from those other ones is the experience. Garcia is a rookie, and may have to be shut down at some point. As is Latos, and I believe Richard (not sure about that one). Not to mention when healthy, the Phils line up can take pressure off their pitchers by providing more than 2 runs a game.

letsgogiants
5 years 30 days ago

I was also replying to the fact that all the teams I mentioned all have better bullpens than the Phillies, who, even though they upgraded on their starting pitching, still have a horrible bullpen. The Phillies starting pitching may be more talented than the Padres, but the Padres got a much better bullpen than the Phillies. Which is why I mentioned the Padres as having a better staff than the Phillies.

frank_costanza
5 years 30 days ago

I dont know that their bullpen is horrible. Its certainly not the best. Durbin has been one of the best middle relievers in the MLB this year. Madson is a legit set up man. And Romero is one of the better lefty relievers in the MLB given the way he can get right handed hitters out as well. Jose Contreras has started to come back down to earth, though is still a serviceable power arm if not pitched every day. Lidge is the question mark. Overall the fact that 4 of the 5 mentioned relievers have all been on the DL this year has hurt the continuity of being able to define roles. The pen has been good over this 7 game streak.

letsgogiants
5 years 30 days ago

That is true. Though in order for it to be a serviceable bullpen, Durbin, Madson, and Romero are going to have to stay healthy and pitch like they have in their good years. The fact that most of the Phillies bullpen has been unhealthy is what turns me off along with the fact that they need a durable closer.

frank_costanza
5 years 30 days ago

Lidge is still a work in progress. If he shows the ability to throw his slider for strikes, then he will be fine. Right now he is locating his fastball well which has led to his resent saves, but he is not commanding his slider well and batters are spitting on it.

Jose Contreras has saved 3 games this year, due to his age though, he isnt able to do it consecutively more than 2 days in a row. Romero has picked up some saves too. Wishfully thinking patch work, I know, but its not impossible.

letsgogiants
5 years 30 days ago

True, but I still wouldn’t call Lidge durable given his up and down stints with Philly combined with the amount of injuries hes had over the past couple years. The Phillies really need a secure, solid back-end of the bullpen type pitcher in order for them to have a serviceable bullpen. If Lidge can come back healthy and pitch even close to what he did in 2008, then great. But for now, I wouldn’t call Lidge durable.

letsgogiants
5 years 30 days ago

True, but I still wouldn’t call Lidge durable given his up and down stints with Philly combined with the amount of injuries hes had over the past couple years. The Phillies really need a secure, solid back-end of the bullpen type pitcher in order for them to have a serviceable bullpen. If Lidge can come back healthy and pitch even close to what he did in 2008, then great. But for now, I wouldn’t call Lidge durable.

SixtoLezcano
5 years 30 days ago

Oswalt isn’t far behind Adam Wainwright? I’m a Brewers fan and hate the Cardinals, but Wainwright gets no respect…

Also, it *is* actually pretty darn easy to take Lincecum/Cain/Sanchez/Bumgarner/Zito over the Phillies’ rotation. One is much, much better than the other.

ThinkBlue10
5 years 30 days ago

1,2,3 and thats it. theres rotations that have a solid 1-5.

5 years 30 days ago

Got Cliff Lee last offseason, and then he was shipped out in the offseason.

I’ll be honest, I think there may be a better chance of him using his NTC rights than people think. Although I don’t think he will; just saying it’s not a given, especially considering Derrek Lee just used his 10-5 rights to block a trade to LAA.

5 years 30 days ago

And why is this coming out NOW? Shouldn’t these GMs be asleep by this time? It’s 1:20am in Houston, and 2:20am in Philly.

Sniderlover
5 years 30 days ago

GM’s are robots.

zolttt
5 years 30 days ago

like GMs sleep during the trade deadline week

RazorShines
5 years 30 days ago

Too bad I read the other day he doesn’t want to play in Philly….either way will bite the Phils…. They will have to pick up the 16 mil option and his injuries will come back to haunt them…. that ballpark will kill his numbers and trading Happ doesn’t upgrade their rotation much…..plus as long as Utley and Victorino are out and Lidge and Moyer are on that team, the Braves got the division….and as a Mets fan I hate the Braves as much as the Phils, but I’m a realist.

oremlk
5 years 30 days ago

Yeah, Oswalt never said he didn’t want to play for Philly. It was an erroneous report which he debunked hours later, but all Phillies fans immediately took as a grave insult to their character and good name and decided they didn’t want him anymore, all on the basis of a false rumor.

5 years 30 days ago

people are excited. sports talk radio here and all the twitter trends are very positive.

oremlk
5 years 30 days ago

Yes, sorry, I shouldn’t have said “all” Phillies fans.

I’ve just seen an awful lot of then on the interwebs who ran with the idea that Oswalt somehow hates Philly, even though it was an unconfirmed report from an anonymous source and he said he’d play anywhere and “location doesn’t matter” hours later.

Potrzeba
5 years 30 days ago

How soon before oswalt accepts? Will he have to sleep on it tonight or will they call him right away for an answer ?

5 years 30 days ago

He’s probably asleep by now! Give it until about afternoon before we hear anything, I suspect.

BentoBox
5 years 30 days ago

Damn, I’m interested in what the return for the ‘Stros will be.

5 years 30 days ago

Supposedly from someone connected to agent Bob Garber, the deal is as follows:Phillies Receive:SP Roy Oswalt (Phils agree to renegotiate 2012 buyout from $2M to $5M)2B/Utility Jeff KeppingerCash Consideration of $8M (roughly half of Oswalt’s remaining 2010 salary plus buyout)Astros Receive:1B Jon SingletonP JA HappP Scott MathiesonOF Anthony GoseAstros have given Oswalt until 1PM EST tomorrow to accept or decline. Phils want presser at 3PM EST

5 years 30 days ago

ehhhh that is alot. But the money evens things out.

5 years 30 days ago

do you have a link or anything?

5 years 30 days ago

Not at this hour. Working on it.

Not much will happen till the AM.

5 years 30 days ago

Pretty bad trade for the Astros. Happ is the only decent “prospect”, if you can even call him that being 27 years old and turning 28 in October. Happ is good but has shown command issues, especially in the playoffs. If you take money out of the equation it’s almost a complete ripoff for them. Phils also get to buyout Oswalt’s contract in 2012. So they only have to pay the full $16 million in 2011. Not too shabby for one of the best pitchers in the league when healthy. If Cliff Lee signs a $22 million contract next season, then maybe our Cliff Lee trade will make an inkling of sense.

5 years 30 days ago

that is honestly to much for Oswalt.

5 years 30 days ago

Singleton hurts, but the rest are relatively easily replaced.Don’t overlook Keppinger as a quality utility guy. In my eyes, this mimics the Lee trade from Cleveland. One decent prospect and three replaceable guys. The Phils also pickup a decent bench piece.Phils had to pony up in order to avoid the option year. Now the risk of Oswalt is limited somewhat.Singleton is the best player to be traded for an Ace in recent memory.

chucktb
5 years 30 days ago

It obviously depends on the amount of money going the other way but Happ is probably more valuable (though not this year) than Oswalt is and, if Singleton really is in the deal, he’s a big loss. Hopefully for the Phils, they’re getting more than $10 million back from the Astros in order to make this a good deal for them.

frank_costanza
5 years 30 days ago

If you consider the fact that Singleton is blocked by Howard considering he is about 2 years away from the bigs, and the Phillies are a win now team, then its worth it.

5 years 30 days ago

I dont care how far Singleton is. He could be converted to left field if he continues to grow next year.

I find this deal hard to believe. If its true I hope Oswalt says no to the deal or are paying for his entire 2012 option. If not Amaro is the worst GM in the history of baseball.

oremlk
5 years 30 days ago

Singleton is a good athlete for a first baseman, but even still, you never know whether he could play acceptably in left field. He could end up being like Adam Dunn, bad routes and tons of negative defensive value, hurting his overall WAR. (Not saying he would, I’m just saying it’s a very real possibility.)

Plus, the Phillies have a lot of other high-upside outfield prospects, not as good as Singleton, but still good prospects.

frank_costanza
5 years 30 days ago

Jonathon Singleton, a highly touted OF prospect, a late inning bullpen arm, and a potential #3 starter is a bad trade for the Astros? They have a chance to start to turn their franchise around with this trade.

oremlk
5 years 30 days ago

Singleton is better than Happ and could easily be the best first base prospect in the minors this time next season, if he’s not already. Mathieson should be a good bullpen arm, and Gose is a good outfield prospect. This is a great trade for the Astros if it’s true.

Jason Klinger
5 years 30 days ago

Tell me you’re joking. The Astros are dying to dump the contract. You think they’re not thrilled to also be getting a No. 3 SP, a power-hitting 1B who will be starting in late 2012 and a speedy outfield prospect?

Jason Klinger
5 years 30 days ago

Tell me you’re joking. The Astros are dying to dump the contract. You think they’re not thrilled to also be getting a No. 3 SP, a power-hitting 1B who will be starting in late 2012 and a speedy outfield prospect?

Muggi
5 years 30 days ago

Pretty expensive…just have to see if it pans out I suppose.

frank_costanza
5 years 30 days ago

Not a bad deal for both sides. $8 million significantly helps Philly, as does Keppinger who can fill in for Utley and still provide a right handed bat off the bench with a little pop.

Jonathan Singleton is a future face of a franchise player. Happ is a very talented pitcher. Mathieson is a late inning bullpen arm.

I think this deal is tremendous for both teams. The financial aspect of Oswalts option is a big deal breaker seeing as how he more than likely will be bought out at age (i think) 36?

oremlk
5 years 30 days ago

Keppinger kills lefties too over his career. Career .858 OPS against LHP. And he has the flexibility to play a solid third base. Should help a lot as a bench bat.

5 years 30 days ago

I find this deal extremely hard to believe. Its more than what was sent for Halladay. If this was a bidding war than maybe.

5 years 30 days ago

Money was a big factor. Phils need payroll certainty. Also, it saves trading more prospects to get a utility man from Baltimore.

Phils also wanted to keep Cosart and Colvin.

frank_costanza
5 years 30 days ago

I think they gave up more for Halladay. Taylor was regarded as SLIGHTLY less talented than Dom Brown. The book is still out on D’Arnaud even though everyone seems high on him. And the center piece was obviously Drabek.

oremlk
5 years 30 days ago

Not sure whether I agree with that or not, but suffice it to say, the deals are pretty close. If the Astros are including Keppinger and that much cash in the deal, it seems like the Phillies are getting back similar value to what Halladay brought back.

frank_costanza
5 years 30 days ago

Mathieson is a curious piece to this deal. After all, he hasnt been able to be called up to the PHILLIES bullpen this year, I think that says something.

oremlk
5 years 30 days ago

I imagine Wade wanted him because he drafted and developed Mathieson. But it’s true Mathieson does have great numbers and very good stuff. I question whether he will be able to stay healthy.

darkdonnie
5 years 30 days ago

I think it says that Baez and his terrible contract limits some of the moves we can make. If Baez wasn’t here I think we’d see Mathieson in our pen. People said he was our future closer.

Steelslayer
5 years 30 days ago

I don’t know much about the other prospects past Happ. I am a Jay’s fan and have been following the prospects from the Halladay deal. They all seem to be working out very well and we expect to see Wallace up soon. In the end I hope it works out for the Phils and the3 Astros

chucktb
5 years 30 days ago

No it’s not. Drabek and Taylor, by themselves, were worth more than the package Houston’s receiving. It’s not even close.

letsgogiants
5 years 30 days ago

Wow, if thats true, for the Astros sake they better hope Oswalt agrees to the deal as well. That package could have netted Dan Haren.

oremlk
5 years 30 days ago

I’m guessing they like Oswalt better than Haren. The inclusion of $8M in cash means Oswalt winds up being about the same price. Possibly they are worried about how many fly balls Haren gives up, and think Oswalt will give up fewer homeruns in Citizens Bank Park.

letsgogiants
5 years 30 days ago

Maybe. But Haren in my opinion has been much better than Oswalt the last few years and while Haren may have more years on his current contract, Haren is cheaper on a year-to-year basis. The way hes pitching this year seems a bit fishy to me. I suspect that his somewhat poor year has been due to bad luck and a bad defense playing behind him. I think he’ll rebound.

oremlk
5 years 30 days ago

That would be the popular argument, but, given the return that Haren brought for Arizona, it seems major league GMs don’t agree. It doesn’t seem like Arizona screwed up in terms of judging his market value either, because it’s not like other teams were rumored to be offering more (the Yankees were offering a similar deal, for example).

letsgogiants
5 years 30 days ago

Thats true, but I feel like Arizona could have done much better than that. I think that Arizona was just looking to get rid of Haren due to his contract and many other teams knew that, therefore not offering much. If the Diamondbacks were to have handled the Haren trade talks the way Seattle and Jack Z. did with Cliff Lee, the Diamondbacks could have gotten a much better return. Even if Arizona didn’t get the trade proposal they were looking for, they should have just kept him and tried trading him next year where maybe he could have rebounded and gotten a better return. He would have still had a couple years on his contract next year. Plus the Diamondbacks would have had a stable GM who would have probably handled trade talks better. Another reason I think the Diamondbacks got a small return from the Angels was that the GM for LAA knew that he could take advantage of a new GM given he just came in not too long ago. Either way, the Diamondbacks messed up on the Haren trade badly.

oremlk
5 years 30 days ago

I wouldn’t have traded him if that was the return I was getting that’s for sure. But I was just pointing out that MLB GMs apparently didn’t think he was worth offering all that much for.By the way, the reason there wasn’t a bidding war for Oswalt is not that there wasn’t interest. It’s because everyone knew Houston was asking for the moon for its franchise player. If this rumored deal is true, people will accuse the Phillies of bidding against themselves, but I don’t think that’s true. The Astros wouldn’t have accepted anything less from anybody.

letsgogiants
5 years 30 days ago

Well I think the only reason why GMs would think that Haren doesn’t cost much is because of the fact that he has struggled this year and might not like his current contract (which isn’t actually that bad, at least compared to others). If he were having the type of year he’s had in the last couple years, he would be much more coveted.

letsgogiants
5 years 30 days ago

With Oswalt, I also think not many teams went after him because of the fact that Oswalt wouldn’t waive his no-trade clause to many teams, making him restricted to where he goes. Though I agree with you on your points about Oswalt.

5 years 30 days ago

All of this due to Ibanez, Lidge, and Moyer totalling 29.5 million in payroll for 2010…or 1.4 million in real value according to WAR into real dollars.

frank_costanza
5 years 30 days ago

Well the Lidge deal isnt a fair argument. He won the Phillies a world series, and the extension was a good signing at the time. Unfortunately for them, he has dealt with injuries since.

5 years 30 days ago

Yes, but that was signed mid 2008 before the season was over. Joe Nathan a closer who had proved himself year in and out sign a 4/47. When was the last time Lidge had proved himself year after year?

5 years 30 days ago

Yes, but that was signed mid 2008 before the season was over. Joe Nathan a closer who had proved himself year in and out sign a 4/47. When was the last time Lidge had proved himself year after year?

5 years 30 days ago

If that is true…that is really good trade for both parties.

Roy Oswalt’s time in Houston has come to an end. And their window has obviously closed, so now we find out how bad Oswalt wants to win. If he turns this trade down. Then I am not sure what to make of him and the rest of his career.

As for the Astros, JA Happ is a nice piece to land. If they can part ways with Oswalt without having to eat anymore money beyond this year would be a major plus. In this case I wonder if the ‘Stros would take less (in terms of prospects) in return to save money on the Oswalt contract.

5 years 30 days ago

If that is true…that is really good trade for both parties.

Roy Oswalt’s time in Houston has come to an end. And their window has obviously closed, so now we find out how bad Oswalt wants to win. If he turns this trade down. Then I am not sure what to make of him and the rest of his career.

As for the Astros, JA Happ is a nice piece to land. If they can part ways with Oswalt without having to eat anymore money beyond this year would be a major plus. In this case I wonder if the ‘Stros would take less (in terms of prospects) in return to save money on the Oswalt contract.

5 years 30 days ago

hope this isn’t true. Kepp has proven that given the chance he’s a good everyday 2B. We need someone like him with all the rookies and nobodies we’re calling up/picking up from obscurity lately

5 years 30 days ago

hope this isn’t true. Kepp has proven that given the chance he’s a good everyday 2B. We need someone like him with all the rookies and nobodies we’re calling up/picking up from obscurity lately

Roy Baker
5 years 30 days ago

I wanna see what we get. I hope we get some decent pieces for a down-the-road run at contention.

5 years 30 days ago

i have been hearing that its J.A. Happ and a few prospects…could these prospects be Vance Worely, Jonathan Singleton?

5 years 30 days ago

Anyone who is worried about the Phills becoming a lh heavy lineup with the addition of Brown and loss of Howard just need to look at Brown’s minors stats. In 2010 he hit above .300 vs. both righties and lefties. I’m hoping RAJ doesn’t shell out the farm for this contract. Want to see the players involved, but as of right now a rotation of Halladay, Oswalt, Hamels, Blanton and Happ is fierce and rivals any teams top 3. As for top 5 though the Giants take the cake.

5 years 29 days ago

The loss of Werth after the season…not now. Vic hitting the dl ended that rumor.

5 years 30 days ago

Loss of Werth…it’s late.

Karsch
5 years 30 days ago

They won’t trade Werth with Victorino on the dl

5 years 30 days ago

werth isn’t going anywhere

5 years 30 days ago

Werth was off the table before the Rockies series was over.

darkdonnie
5 years 30 days ago

Phils gave up a lot.

halladelphia
5 years 30 days ago

i really wish that were true. i doubt it though. i can’t see them not taking happ. he’s really their only tradable pitcher other then maybe trevor may. as much as i like singleton’s potential, i’d rather see him go over happ, especially since howard just signed a multi-year extension. a playoff rotation of halladay, hamels, oswalt, and happ? yes please…

5 years 30 days ago

This stinks. St. Louis better do something soon. They were already not better without adding anyone. Now they are really behind the Phillies.

averykelly
5 years 30 days ago

personally , as an astros fan i forget happ .
im not high on him , personally .
his command isn’t all that and what is so great about him ?
forget that i’ll give you oswalt , and JUST BECAUSE his “salary” is a problem for you guys i’ll go light on this trade . . .

Phillies get :
Oswalt
Keppinger

Astros get :
1B Singleton
OF Gose
P Cosart
P Bastardo
P Aumont

Oswalt is great .
all these injury excuses are ridiculous , he’s been injured one time in 10 years .
generally , this happens to a ballplayer pitching every 5 days .
He’s a workhorse , period .
he gives you an opportunity to win every time he goes out .

I wish we could get dominic brown , badly .

if we dont get cosart and singleton i will be livid .

ThinkBlue10
5 years 30 days ago

dodgers miss out again! we can never do anything. were done for this year.

SixtoLezcano
5 years 30 days ago

Forget Lee/Haren/Oswalt, you guys got Scotty Pods!

ThinkBlue10
5 years 29 days ago

i know! this guy will definitely save our struggling offense and most importantly make our rotation strong!

SixtoLezcano
5 years 30 days ago

Forget Lee/Haren/Oswalt, you guys got Scotty Pods!

wakefield4life
5 years 30 days ago

I could swear I read somewhere that Oswalt did not want to pitch in Philly. Perhaps to avoid the veto, his options become guaranteed? Or at least a couple of them. Or perhaps they’ll drive a dump truck full of cash up to the Oswalt estate and unload. I wonder…

joshuap
5 years 30 days ago

You did read that, and it was an unconfirmed report (tweet really, IIRC) from an anonymous source that was soon after shot down by a Houston reporter quoting Oswalt directly.

Don’t you love trade deadline time? Everyone’s got a scoop, even if it’s completely fabricated.