Phillies Exploring Oswalt, Werth Trades

The Phillies are exploring acquiring Roy Oswalt and moving Jayson Werth in a companion trade, reports ESPN's Jayson Stark.  GM Ruben Amaro Jr. says nothing is close, but Ed Price of AOL FanHouse says the Oswalt talks are "heavy."  Oswalt has yet to be presented with a deal for his approval.  Stark says the Phils have also discussed Dan Haren, Jeremy Guthrie, and Ben Sheets as they leave no rock unturned.  As for Werth, Stark believes the Rays "head the list of interested teams."  The impending free agent would be moved to save money, stock the farm system, and open up a spot for Domonic Brown.  Stark says the Red Sox, Giants, and Padres are also interested in Werth.

The Phillies recently optioned Kyle Kendrick to the minors and lost Jamie Moyer to an elbow strain, so they could use starting pitching depth. GM Ruben Amaro Jr. hinted today that the club could acquire a starter by Saturday. The Phils have already committed $135MM to next year's payroll, so adding an expensive arm like Haren or Oswalt would take some maneuvering.

One candidate to start Saturday, or perhaps be traded, is J.A. Happ.  Stark says the Phillies have shopped the lefty, and the Astros scouted him on Tuesday.

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228 Comments on "Phillies Exploring Oswalt, Werth Trades"


HerbertAnchovy
5 years 1 month ago

I’d say Oswalt.

5 years 1 month ago

Haren? Oswalt? Those are the few ‘major’ pitchers available.

5 years 1 month ago

That’d be my guess. Anyone else available that would be called, “front-line starter?”

ELPinchy
5 years 1 month ago

DICE-K!

(just kidding!)

5 years 1 month ago

Red Sox for Dan Bard or Michael Bowden ?

5 years 1 month ago

Two things:
1. The Phillies wouldn’t trade Happ or Werth for Bowden because that would be a major downgrade.
2. The Red Sox wouldn’t trade Bard in a deal for anyone who is available right now (and they may never even trade him if they have the chance to get any of the best players in the game, that’s how much they value him). He is to valuable to the Sox as their future closer and currently best pitcher in the bullpen and their bullpen is the place that needs the most help right now so it wouldn’t make any sense to trade him.

Utley4God
5 years 1 month ago

CSNPhilly mentioned James Shields earlier.

5 years 1 month ago

I can see Shields, he’s a lot cheaper. Phillies are on a budget, right?

5 years 1 month ago

No Thanks. Remember, you get what you pay for. Both Haren & Sheilds deal large doses of the long-ball, and as we all know that is a bad combination with CBP. Oswalt is the answer to the pitching situation, if we can manage to free up enough salary space for him. Maybe move Werth and promote Dominic Brown to the majors. It looks like the Phils are going to have to open the wallets a little more unless they plan on surrendering this season.

5 years 1 month ago

The Rays are not trading Shields. They’re in the middle of a heat divisional race with the Yankees, and are not looking to break up their rotation (which is the only one in the Majors to stay completely intact thus far this season).

5 years 1 month ago

i think Ruben Amaro just loves to make big trades without thinking about the consequences. I would laugh if they completely destroy the farm by making a big trade.

East Coast Bias
5 years 1 month ago

He thinks the Phillies are his fantasy baseball team.

5 years 1 month ago

Most GM’s in 2010 sign/trade for verifiable baseball skill.
Amaro signs/trades for hits, RBI’s, Dingaz, Wins, Saves, and Clutch. Can’t wait until the 70-92 Phillies have the 2nd highest payroll in MLB. It’s the Mariners w/ Bavasi all over again.

5 years 1 month ago

so the Phillies are going to go 24-45 from here on out? Keep dreaming.

yeah this crazy big-budget team is not what I’m used to, growing up with terrible Phils teams since 96. However, I don’t think Amaro is completely screwing things up

East Coast Bias
5 years 1 month ago

I think he meant down the line, not this year.

East Coast Bias
5 years 1 month ago

Dingaz hahaaha!!

5 years 1 month ago

Oswalt not getting dealt until he is Astros career wins leader. Philly probably pulling another 3 team deal again.

seanbergmanrules
5 years 1 month ago

That likely won’t happen unless they keep him past the trade deadline. When he had to leave his last start early it pretty much killed that goal.

JVDahlem
5 years 1 month ago

Vazquez is a possibility too, I would think

bonestock94
5 years 1 month ago

Not with an injured Pettite

5 years 1 month ago

if it’s a multi-team deal, somehow I think the Jays are involved there somewhere . . .

dizzle4
5 years 1 month ago

Wouldn’t shock me.

Marcum to Philly, Werth to wherever (Tampa?), and prospects from that team to the Jays? Doesn’t seem crazy to me.

zeroes
5 years 1 month ago

Hmm..The Jays tell the press Marcum has a blister may not be able to start Friday and are preparing Rzepczynski to start as a backup plan. Meanwhile, Marcum tells the press he’s perfectly fine, and he should be ready to pitch. Hmm.. probably just a coincidence, but….

dizzle4
5 years 1 month ago

Yeah, I wouldn’t read much into that. Marcum clearly had a blister in his last start, but who knows?

Sniderlover
5 years 1 month ago

Yeah I think Marcum may make a lot of sense. He’s making peanuts right now so who knows. Maybe AA will get even more creative and send Downs and Marcum in a package together while Phillies trade Werth to a different team for prospects and that would be flipped to us.

Should be interesting.

5 years 1 month ago

The fact that Marcum makes basically nothing should mean that the Jays wouldn’t move him, right? The Jays have a load of good starting pitching but we all know that can disappear in a second.

Sniderlover
5 years 1 month ago

But they also have a log jam at pitching with a 6-man rotation right now (Morrow being skipped). There is also Stewart and Drabek who are close to MLB ready and still a pitcher like Mills who can step in if there is an injury.

Rotation of Romero, Cecil, Morrow, Zep, Litsch is not that bad. That being said, I wouldn’t just trade Marcum for the sake of trading Marcum. He is a solid #2 starter and a leader for this rotation but if you can get an enticing offer, then it’s worth considering.

moonraker45
5 years 1 month ago

The ‘log jam’ your referring to was creating by inning limitations not by an over saturtion of supreme talent. If that were the case, they would have left litsch in the minor to get his arm strength back instead of rushing him along. Marcum’s value won’t depreciate in the next year, he’s still young, cheap and consistant. Barring injury his value should be the same next year as it is this year.. and this year they need his innings.. Unless richmond and shawn hill can make some starts in september they need to rely on him atleast a little while longer.

That being said.. Stewart and Drabek are still ways away, Drabek has started to come around, but both are walking too many batters. Stewarts whip is at 1.45. They may one day make it who knows, but to say they are mlb ready is a bit off. I doubt either makes the big league club next year. … lastly, mills i don’t even want to mention, he will be a career minor leaguer. He relies too much on deception and doesn’t have the stuff to be anything more then a middle reliever, if that.. Robbie Ray would be a more formidable option if anything, but again command has become an issue.

5 years 1 month ago

If Marcum is available, he would probably come at a cheaper price than Oswalt and his numbers are somewhat comparable. I wouldn’t mind seeing that deal happen. Losing Jayson would be a downer, but he’ll end up walking at the end of the season anyway. Bring up D. Brown and get a solid pitcher for Werth and I’m happy.

5 years 1 month ago

I’ll tell you what, you the Rays could use a guy like Jayson Werth.

5 years 1 month ago

Werth is the biggest Jackass on the planet… he is Clubhouse Asbestos… first hand experience from his days in Syracuse (AAA)

penpaper
5 years 1 month ago

Well the rumor of Oswalt to Philly, Werth to “unknown team” and said unknown gets prospects continues to grow…

5 years 1 month ago

where does werth end up?

5 years 1 month ago

LOL at the Phillies

phillies08
5 years 1 month ago

I know they’re terrible right now but please tell me what your favorite team is.

5 years 1 month ago

It’s not because of their play, it’s because they’re going to give up a ton of prospects for another ace, when they could have just kept Lee for nothing.

5 years 1 month ago

dude totally if they kept lee none of this woulda happened and the philz would have atleast ten-twelve more wins and would probly be right in the nl east race…….thanks r.a.j……..but id like to get haren trade werth to rays for desmond jennings, wade davis,and tim beckham……then trade wade davis, tim beckham, anthony gose, and jarred cosart……i think thats a pretty fair package for either

jdub220
5 years 1 month ago

Werth couldn’t get Jennings, Davis AND Beckham. No way.

5 years 1 month ago

yea ik……….a guy can dream right

5 years 1 month ago

Why would the Rays move any of those players for Werth? Maybe Davis…

phillyphan26
5 years 1 month ago

If the Rays were offering Desmond Jennings in any deal it would have been done immediately. No way the Rays trade him they would trade BJ before they gave up Jennings. And I’m not saying that will happen but Jennings is a stud.

5 years 1 month ago

but idk if the rays would give all that up for a half a season of struggling werth

5 years 1 month ago

They wouldn’t even give that up for a full 2 seasons of a Werth at the top of his game. Jennings is projected to be even better than Carl Crawford, Davis is projected to be a number 2 or 3 starter, and Beckham is one of their top prospects who ranked #67 on the top 100 prospect list to start the season and he’s only 20. I could see a deal of either Shields or Davis plus a B prospect getting the trade done.

5 years 1 month ago

true ik…thats probly what the philz would need to get either but thats y there probly wont b a trade

5 years 1 month ago

I figured you weren’t serious. The Phils should have just kept Lee. It would have made a lot more since because they would have possible the best pitcher in the game and would still have one of the best farm systems in baseball.

vtadave
5 years 1 month ago

Just curious who projects Jennings to be greater than Crawford….

5 years 1 month ago

Some scouting reports say he is a Carl Crawford but with more plate discipline and power (I’ve read them in the past and can’t recall where I read them now). He’s having a down year this year but no doubt in my mind he is going to be damn good.

CosaOne
5 years 1 month ago

I agree they would never give up that package for a half season of Werth but cant agree that Jennings is projected to be better than Crawford. Crawford is a tremendously valuable player, and Jennings doesnt (or at least hasnt shown) that he has comparable power to Crawford

Yankees420
5 years 1 month ago

Yeah I was thinking the same thing, but if you look at their minor league stats, they are very comparable, the major difference being that Crawford was in AAA at age 20, whereas Jennings is 23 now.

5 years 1 month ago

Am I the only one who liked the Lee dump (for highest possible return) and grabbing Halladay (a true no. 1) for only committing 60mm and prospects? Look at the stats, Lee has only had 3 good years (yes, they were SOLID), but the bottom line is the PHI is better for a longer period of time because they grabbed Halladay. End of Story. Roy Oswalt is priced below market value but teams are shy of his 31mm remaining commitment. Do you know what that means? You can grab him for minimum farm loss. Roy O is the far more proven and consistent pitcher of the 2. He is worth the money and works miracles in the no. 2 spot. That is an amazing 1-2 punch for substantially lesser commitment than if Lee were in the rotation long term. PHI has built a team full of leaders, role players, and stars. They actually know what they’re doing, so let’s not be too hasty to question their moves.

East Coast Bias
5 years 1 month ago

I agree with you… but c’mon man, Lee has proven he is a true number 1. I was one of his biggest skeptics, but the guy proved me wrong.

5 years 1 month ago

Arizona doesn’t make sense for Werth unless he is moved to the Yankees or Red Sox as the 3rd team in possible deal.

5 years 1 month ago

Maybe instead of Werth, its Ibanez to the White Sox who need a legit power lefty.

dire straits
5 years 1 month ago

haha nice one

5 years 1 month ago

if they could do that then why does it say that werth wold be the one traded

zolttt
5 years 1 month ago

the phillies couldnt even trade ibanez and a cheesesteak to chicago for a hot dog.

5 years 1 month ago

i hope, but who would want raul?????????

NYBravosFan10
5 years 1 month ago

I hear the Yokohama Bay Stars are looking for an outfielder

5 years 1 month ago

i wish they were lookin for a pitcher…..then we could actually trade kendrick to japan………i was pissed that was a joke

Yankees420
5 years 1 month ago

The key word being “legit”

frank_costanza
5 years 1 month ago

What ever move they make would need to be a move that could impact them this year, and next year/beyond. Oswalt and Haren make too much money for the Phillies, and to be honest, starting pitching may be the least of their worries. This team could solve a lot of problems by themselves if they just start hitting. Howard and Polanco are the only 2 guys hitting. Their entire outfield doest hit. Guys are underachieving on this team right now. Trading Werth makes sense, but I think they should wait until the deadline to see if they cant start to hit again, and if they trade him, then Amaro better get something good for him.

jwsox
5 years 1 month ago

haren does not, his contract is very team friendly for the type of pitcher he is, a guy who has dominated in the AL and NL and just had a bad season so far. Haren would be amazing for the phillies I doubt they have the prospects to get hiim unless there is a 3rd team involved

Yankees420
5 years 1 month ago

If Dominic Brown were made available, I’m sure he could be the centerpiece in a Haren deal…..problem is that he has the “untouchable” label on him. (and for good reason)

zolttt
5 years 1 month ago

i have been saying this for 2 weeks… IF they trade werth, why cant they sign jermaine dye? he stinks in the outfield, but it gives them a 30 hr right handed bat, whos career average isnt much worse than jayson werths.

5 years 1 month ago

It makes sense but it doesn’t make sense. Dye has been a very good player throughout his career and possible could do the same for the Phils. But he hasn’t played ball all year and is out of shape and even if he gets back into shape he is old. So you may get a good Dye but in my opinion you probably wouldn’t.

5 years 1 month ago

Dye doesn’t belong in the NL. Poor defense, good bat if he can shake all the rust off form not playing all season. Also, he has to quit be an idiot thinking he is worth more than $1 million for the rest of the season. Maybe a decent bat off the bench for an AL team.

zolttt
5 years 1 month ago

i fully agree, but if they sign him to a minor league deal, play fransisco for a week or 2 and let him get the rust off, he could be very worth it. He is definitely a platoon option, and a low risk high reward option offense wise… but obviously a liability in the field, but so is ibanez and he is doing nothing offensively.

i dont think he is a perfect solution, but it allows you to get more back for werth and not have to try and get a bat as well in return.

Yankees420
5 years 1 month ago

Look up Dye’s 2nd half numbers from last season, then say he’d be a good thing for the Phillies.

5 years 1 month ago

Why not Fausto Carmona?

5 years 1 month ago

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Belandsexo
5 years 1 month ago

Why didn’t they just keep Lee, hahahaha

dizzle4
5 years 1 month ago

Just to add, from Olney: Some of the pitchers the Phillies WERE NOT talking about, as of early Tuesday evening: Ben Sheets, any of the Rays’ pitchers and Dan Haren.

James DeMott
5 years 1 month ago

amending my post subtract Haren, Shields, and Sheets from anything I said. Haha

James DeMott
5 years 1 month ago

I can see Shields, though, I wouldn’t consider him a major pitcher. I don’t think Shields would give them the push they need to get past the Mets or the Braves. I can’t imagine the Yankees would ship Vazquez away, although, his post-season stats are iffy. Ted Lilly, Ben Sheets, Fausto Carmona, and even Edwin Jackson would all be viable options, but the East is a hard division and all of those guys have been hittable.