Phillies Acquire Lee, Francisco

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4363553

carrasco is trash. steal for philly.

It all started with a tip from Enrico at The 700 Level, and appears to be finalized thanks to Jeff Blair who covers the Toronto Blue Jays.

Cy Young winner Cliff Lee has reportedly been dealt to the Philadelphia Phillies for RHP Carlos Carrasco, SS Jason Donald and catcher Lou Marson.

Awaiting further confirmation. Will update as we can.

Can you imagine all this talk and Halladay stays with the Jays? They need to lower their expectations.

Everyone likes to say it was a steal for the Mets to get Santana...

Over the past 2 years the Mets have pretty much forfeited their farm system for an injury-riddled putz (pun intended) and the rights to pay Santana 20+ million per year.

Jays need to lower their expectations because these players demanding big contracts are just rentals (plus a draft pick along the way).

Halladay is not staying with the jays. Thats just riccardi trying to get more for him. As John Heyman said, regardless of what they say, Roy Halladay can't remain a Jay. Its either you get a year more of losing and one prospect or rebuild earlier and get 2-3 high lvl prospects. He's not going to stay in toronto. They just may not get the deal they want. Just like Minnesota.

Carrasco, Donald and Marson doesn't sound like enough for Cleveland to trade Cliff Lee.

(As a Phillies fan, whatever DOES go down, I'd like to see Marson stay, but Carrasco and Donald can take a hike)

No way that's the full deal, Zoltek. It would leave the Phils with four left-handers in their rotation. And if Jeff Blair believes it, why is there nothing on the Globe and Mail website?

imagine a drabek/taylor/happ trade for halladay and this cliff lee trade is true.

Posted by: zoltek | July 29, 2009 at 10:43 AM

Hate to do this too you but Phillies aint getting Lee and Halladay

yea, for one the Phils don't have the payroll for Lee AND Doc, plus there's no way Ruben would empty the system.

Hate to do this too you but Phillies aint getting Lee and Halladay

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thank you literal larry.

OMG, zoltek... that WOULD be crazy!

The Phillies would have literally "sold the farm" with those deals, but the next two years would be golden with a 1-2-3 of Halladay, Lee, and Hamels!

also in regards to the lefty thing, the same thing was said when they signed ibanez (hitters arent pitchers) but still a good pitcher is a good pitcher, they have blanton to put between them so it shouldnt be that big of a deal

noone said lee and halladay (being i was the one that said it) with any sort of seriousness, so unwind your panties

This board is proof that nobody cares about Cliff Lee

I can't see a trade happening with the Indians that doesn't include one of the Phillies top prospects. If im a Phils fan im hoping they make a trade happen for either Halladay or Lee (even if it includes 1 top prospect). Without another pitcher the Phillies are gonna fall flat in the playoffs with a pieced together rotation. The return for Halladay and Lee is a lot both are Cy Young pitchers and they're pitching well this season.

From Shanghai Gumbo: "Can you all shut up about Halladay and Lee to the Phillies, that is literally the last possible thing that will ever happen."

LOL... In reality, come Friday the Phillies probably won't have Lee OR Halladay, but will end up with something like Washburn and George Sherrill instead. Wup-de-freakin-do!!

It's always fun to speculate and rosterbate over all the rumors though! LMAO

A deal that doesn't include Drabek or Happ and still lands them a pitcher as good as Cliff Lee. This is the best possible scenario for the Phillies. I'm hoping it's true.

Why on Earth do we need a SS and a C. This is another bogus trade, not going to happen. Plus Carrasco is TRASH. No thank you. It's just a way to get other teams to up their offers I hope. Otherwise Shapiro should trade himself.

pipe down buster

He who gets the best player wins the deal. Halladay is much better than Lee and bot are on the table.

Prospects are a dime-a-dozen (maybe a 20% success rate). 6 months ago we would have been clamoring that Carrasco can't be included in any deal because he is our number 1 prospect. Here is a list of the pitchers the Phils drafted recently who became aces, lol:

Brad Brink
Pat Combs
Tyler Green
Wayne Gomes
Carlton Loewer
Dave Coggin
Adam Eaton
Brett Myers
Gavin Floyd

Go for the dynasty. The current players, who brought you your world championship, deserve it.

LOL. I love how everyone loves to hate on the people providing up to date information. Yes i'm not the GM of the indians so I can't "officially" announce it. But no its not just "an offer". Its "the offer", and most expect the indians to accept.

jeffry your theory is solid, but a few years back the phillies offered or almost did i forget a package to the A's for barry zito that included chase utley.

so theres exceptions, and that one could possibly have cost them a world series.

It all started with a tip from Enrico at The 700 Level, and appears to be finalized thanks to Jeff Blair who covers the Toronto Blue Jays.

Cy Young winner Cliff Lee has reportedly been dealt to the Philadelphia Phillies for RHP Carlos Carrasco, SS Jason Donald and catcher Lou Marson.

Posted by: zoltek | July 29, 2009 at 10:36 AM

Zoltek, you're a tool.

The 700 level did not report that deal. Like about a million other outlets, they reported that Carrasco, Donald and Marson are out of the lineup today. (Followed by this sentence: "Let the speculation begin.")

And where did you read that Jeff Blair said the deal "appears to be finalized"?

Not exactly a saavy consumer of mass media, are you?

Zoltek, big difference.

I should have stated my assumption. "When a true effing stud is available..."

Zito was always a nice pitcher with one plus-plus pitch who didn't miss nearly as many bats with any of his other pitches.

Lee misses bat with two pitches. Halladay misses bats with two pitches and has a third pitch that gets beaten into the ground.

Big difference.

This still smells like a chess match. Amaro is playing chicken with JP and he's using Shapiro as a combo pawn-backup plan.

I have a hard time believing Toronto's owners would allow JP to trade Doc to the Red Sox, and Amaro is banking on that to help him steer JP away from the Happ-and-Drabek-or-else demand.

jjpk, I would like to believe it. Charlie has said he "wants the horse" when asked about Halladay. Gillick and Beaston are the best of friends.

Add to that the fact that Riccardi is a lame duck who will not be allowed to send Halladay within the AL East when he won't be around to feel the wrath, lol, and maybe the end game has begun.

@gophils

your mean comments are hutful.

http://www.waitingfornextyear.com/?p=15428

call them a tool

Zoltek, big difference.

I should have stated my assumption. "When a true effing stud is available..."

Zito was always a nice pitcher with one plus-plus pitch who didn't miss nearly as many bats with any of his other pitches.

Lee misses bat with two pitches. Halladay misses bats with two pitches and has a third pitch that gets beaten into the ground.

Big difference.

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no i completely understand your point trust me.

but if everyone were to just trade every prospect for 1.5 years of a stud as if they are nothing, why even have a draft? why scout these kids? why not just have a lottery and get your players.

you have to look at these players by how they are scouted and projected.

if drabek is a futre 1 or 2 and brown is a future 3 hitter then you have to look at the trade that way.

its easy to dismiss the value of prospects, but its biten a few teams in the ass, like the phillies with gavin floyd, gratned hes not a cy young pitcher but hes pitching well and rowand is gone

when the expos traded both lee and sizemore for bartolo colon. so while i agree with you, you have to look at it in a broader scope i think

even though i doubt the indians would do this without a better package on the phillies side, but what if the "other player" was vmart? can you say offensive rape?

also since i cant edit my comment, i didnt realize i didnt post the link in my original post, so i apologize

That "possibly another player" I'd bet is Ben Francisco to be the Phils 4th OF and RH bench bat

In the end, as far as the 2009 season goes, the Phillies would be much better served to acquire the RHP Halladay.

Here's what we (95%) know now: Philadelphia WILL be in the playoffs, and the Dodgers WILL be in the playoffs. Some combination from the Cubs, Cardinals, Brewers, Astros, Rockies and Giants will fill the other two spots. -The Dodgers will most likely be the #1, and play the wild-card winner IF it comes out of the Central. The Phillies get the wild-card IF it comes out of the west.

The Phillies most-likely 1st round match-up would be a Giants/Rockies wild-card winner, or the Cubs/Cardinals division winner.

With the Cardinals additons of Holliday and Derosa, they only have ONE lefty in their batting order. Also, the main offensive threats from the Cubs (Lee, Soriano, Ramirez, Soto) are righties. The Giants have righties Molina, Rowand, Garko, and Renteria. Really, The Rockies are the ONLY team out of those four who even have even ONE true LH threat (Helton, Hawpe).

THUS, Halladay is the best addition the Phillies could make for a 5-game series.. AND, it wouldn't hurt to have a stud RHP go again Manny, Kemp, Martin, and Blake in the NLCS either.

If you read down a couple of posts you will see: "The Yankees aren't involved in the Cliff Lee talks after hearing the Indians wanted Joba Chamberlain or Phil Hughes in return."

Tell me how on earth that package of future scrubs and injury-plagued players compares to Joba or Hughes? Drabek absolutely HAS to be involved here, because he's the only one who's ceiling is even slightly close to those two.

@Haymaker

"With the Cardinals additons of Holliday and Derosa, they only have ONE lefty in their batting order. Also, the main offensive threats from the Cubs (Lee, Soriano, Ramirez, Soto) are righties. The Giants have righties Molina, Rowand, Garko, and Renteria. Really, The Rockies are the ONLY team out of those four who even have even ONE true LH threat (Helton, Hawpe)."

Did you just imply that Pujols cant hit lefties? Uhhhh that dude hits every pitcher ever and has a 1090 OPS lifetime against lefties. Silly post...

PL- I think he is implying that a lefty wouldnt be the way to go, they should get halladay who is a righty, to neutralize their righties, but yes pujols is a special case.

I predict the market for Halladay will collapse once the Phillies are out of it. He's staying in Toronto.

If I am the Indians, it better be:

Knapp, Taylor, Carrasco, and Marson

I guess a Carrasco, Knapp, Donald, and Marson deal is a steal but they better not throw Taylor in their instead of Donald!

However, for the Indians next year an OF of Laporta, Sizemore, and Taylor would be pretty ridiculous.

ChasenWerth, I agree they better not throw in Taylor.

Can anyone clue me in on Cliff Lee's contract? I've read he's unrestricted after this year, and I've also read he's due $9 mil next year. So, which is it?

Carini26, HOW COULD I FORGET ABOUT CHOO????

I feel like an idiot..haha. Yeah def. they'd have a solid line-up if they can hold onto VMart as well. Def. could compete in that division.

Can anyone clue me in on Cliff Lee's contract? I've read he's unrestricted after this year, and I've also read he's due $9 mil next year. So, which is it?

Posted by: d27 | July 29, 2009 at 12:12 PM

$9M option for 2010... it will be picked up

Lee to Phillies Official

Lee for Carasco, Knapp, Marson, Taylor

thanks, jdub. did he sign a one-year extension earlier this year or something? thought i read he signed a three year extension in '06 that took him through this year.

Posted by: d27 | July 29, 2009 at 12:15 PM

Google Cots Contracts... all the latest salary info on team and players. It's an outstanding resource.

If it took Knapp and Taylor and Marson, that sucks.

I, with high spirits, hope that Ruben didn't do a deal like that, I would have given:

Carrasco, Donald, Marson, and Knapp

or

Carrasco, Donald, Marson, and Taylor

To get rid of two top 50 guys, seems alittle much for Lee...but he did win Cy Young last year.

Knapp, Taylor and Marson? Indians did a hell of a job with this one.

Again, if Ruben gave Taylor AND Knapp. Regardless of the others, he got fleeced.

Jays24, I completely agree.

Knapp is a stud. Throwing 98MPH and missing bats like crazy. He had 14 K's in 7 innings in his 3rd game of pitching.

Taylor is a beast. He has power and hits for contact.

Marson could be a great catcher too. While he doesnt have much power, he could hit around .280+.

Carassco and Donalds are busts (this year), but last year at this time, they were two of the Phils top prospects, they could turn it around quick.

This deal is not a great one for the Phillies.

Yeah, if the Indians managed to land Taylor, Knapp, Carrasco and Donald or Marson for Lee, then that's an absolutely huge haul.

Taylor gives them a top OF prospect that should be ready sometime in 2010, and Knapp and Carrasco are good pitching prospects.

If the deal goes through then in recent years:

Shapiro has dealt CC Sabathia, Casey Blake, Cliff Lee and Mark DeRosa for Matt LaPorta, Michael Taylor, Carlos Santana, Carlos Carrasco, Jason Knapp, Chris Perez, Jess Todd, Michael Brantley, Rob Bryson, Zach Jackson, Jonathan Meloan and Lou Marson/Jason Donald. That's awfully impressive.

Please Dont do this.