Cliff Lee’s Wife Offended By Yankees Fans

3:02pm: Lee's agent Darek Braunecker told ESPN's Andrew Marchand, "The story is not an issue to us.  Her experience in New York is certainly a non-issue. She enjoys New York as much as anyone enjoys New York."

10:01am: Two years ago, C.C. Sabathia's wife Amber was said to prefer the Giants.  Yankees GM Brian Cashman was able to pitch the couple on New York and close the deal on a seven-year, $161MM contract.  He may have a tougher task with Cliff Lee's wife Kristen, who did not have a good time at Yankee Stadium during the playoffs.  From USA Today's Bob Nightengale:

Perhaps the Rangers' greatest sales pitch simply was having Kristen sit in the visiting family section at Yankee Stadium during the playoffs. She says there were ugly taunts. Obscenities. Cups of beer thrown. Even fans spitting from the section above.  "The fans did not do good things in my heart," Kristen says. "When people are staring at you, and saying horrible things, it's hard not to take it personal."

It's impossible to say how Kristen Lee's experience will factor into the lefty's decision.  As Nightengale notes, Sabathia and A.J. Burnett (and perhaps their wives) are ready to recruit Lee this offseason.  Plus, it's unlikely Yankees fans would taunt their own star pitcher's wife.

The Yankees' main selling point, of course, will have to be money and contract years.  The Rangers have all the intangibles in their favor, especially the team's World Series appearance and proximity to the Lee family's Little Rock, Arkansas home.  We've seen players leave millions on the table before, though the Rangers plan to be aggressive in the bidding.


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280 Comments on "Cliff Lee’s Wife Offended By Yankees Fans"


0bsessions
4 years 9 months ago

The classiest fans in professional sports!

Mark Kelly
4 years 9 months ago

I’d like to rank them as the 2nd classiest… Behind the lovely people of Philadelphia

0bsessions
4 years 9 months ago

I’ve never seen a Philadelphia fan pretend they’re even slightly superior to other fanbases (In fact, I sat near a delightful pair of Philly fans at a Sox/Mets game a couple years ago, they were a blast). The point of my remark is that you hear crap like this all the time about Yankee fans, but most of them constantly puff out their chests claiming to be the classiest fanbase in sports.

BravesRed
4 years 9 months ago

Some Phillies fans do, but not all.

0bsessions
4 years 9 months ago

I’ll suppose I’ll defer to you on this one, they’re not in my division. Most Philly fans I’ve run across are borderline proud of their goonish ways.

NL_East_Rivalry
4 years 9 months ago

If you ever go to a Philly game and you are cheering for the other team, don’t wear more than a hat. Your pride isn’t worth your safety. There are some nice and respectful fans out there, but you are talking about a whole stadium ‘boo’ing Santa, it’s not safe to tempt them.

4 years 9 months ago

This is such a tired statement. Some 50 years ago a few guys booed a sloppy guy in a Santa Costume. You sound like an typical uneducated fan that keeps passing along the same old story that the lazy media likes to reference. Philly fans are some of the most passionate around. Every city has a few idiots and fans that like to boo no biggie. That in no way should indite an entire city. Off the top of my head I can name incidents that have taken place in cities across the country. Philly is one of the great sport towns.

johnsilver
4 years 9 months ago

never been to a Philly game and just basing this on reactions to past players, or some like JD Drew they thought had some rights to own, but Philly fans just let it be known via booing, not vulgarities, throwing things on the field regularly so bad that games had to be stopped and threatened to be forfeited if it did not cease (70-80’s when Boston was in town) or even with their OWN players with raw hot dogs whenever Jackson attempted to play RF.

Sure it was not all the fans that act (ed) like that, but enough did, or still do to some extent and you have to wonder why they never had enough security in place to stop this, or if it was welcome to some extent as another home field advantage thing to them with opposing teams.

4 years 9 months ago

The same could be said about every fan base, every where.

The New Yorkers just can’t handle it when it’s their turn in the spot light, clearly.

monroe_says
4 years 9 months ago

A good rule of thumb is if you call yourself “classy” you probably aren’t.

malcolmec
4 years 9 months ago

At least Philly fans wouldn’t have started leaving the ballpark in the eighth inning of a playoff game with their team only behind 3-0.

MB923
4 years 9 months ago

Actually the game was 2-0 going into the inning and the fans started leaving when it was 7-0 and more runs came across

Did you happen to catch Game 5 of the ALDS when the score was 5-1. Rays “Fans” were leaving the ballpark after the 8th inning

And did you happen to watch Game 3 of the WS last year which was In Philadelphia? The Yankees I believe were up 8-3 going into the 9th, plenty of Phillies fans were shown leaving the ballpark. I think the final was 8-5, but fans had started to leave

If you think Yankee fans are the only fans who leave ballparks early, you’re crazy

I also went to Fenway for the first time this year. Fans were leaving in the 7th inning when the Yankees were up I think 11-3.

4 years 9 months ago

Bullshit I was at that game…and don’t bring the Sox into this conversation Yankee fans are not only not in the same class as Sox fans they aren’t even allowed on school grounds. On multiple occasions yank fans have desecrated their own field bring stoppages to entire ballgames. Never have the fans littered the hollowed grounds of Fenway…NEVER have we thrown batteries at opposing players…and further more any REAL fan who goes to Fenway even if they are wearing pin stripes might get a little friendly banter going…at “the stadium” (not too conceded) I have had beer thrown on been spit on and challenge to 3 fights for wearing my Sox hat to a Yank vs. Sox game….show some class!!

Table
4 years 9 months ago

In the 08 ALCS Sox fans left the park half empty when the Rays blew them out. Ya’ll do it just like everyone else.

4 years 9 months ago

What are you talking about? lol I was there for that series too….again your wrong…it was a sellout and if you ever been to fenway, you would know what its like to try and leave when its a sellout…it takes forever to get out of there and it did for that entire series.

MB923
4 years 9 months ago

Didn’t happen to the game I went to, as mentioned, because the seats were emptying by the 7th. I stayed for the final out at the bottom of the 9th. Piece of cake walking out.

Sawksfan
4 years 9 months ago

Why is it anytime someone says anything negatively about the Yankees, the first thing a Yankee fan does is deflect onto the Red Sox? is there a oath you guys take where that’s a club mandate or something?

“Yankees have highest payroll”
“Oh yeah, well Red Sox are 2nd highest”

“Yankees were leaving in droves on Wednesday”
“Oh yeah, well the game I went to 3 years ago so were the Red Sox fans”

Come on.

MB923
4 years 9 months ago

Well I think people do it is because our fans and teams are alike. Both have good fans, both have bad fans. Both have history with one another.

And frankly it’s just dumb I think for one fan base to accuse the other of something when your own fans or your own team do the same thing.

Steve_in_MA
4 years 9 months ago

There’s no comparison, frankly, because we NEVER spit on the wives of the opposing players, or throw beer upon them, or verbally assault them. Yeah, we can be rowdy with each other … in fact, it wouldn’t be fun if we didn’t at least poke at each other a bit. But to attack the players’ families? That’s just low rent. I’m sure this stupidity just cost the Yanks a chance to sign Lee. Money won’t bring peace to his family, and the Rangers aren’t going to be much behind, dollarwise, from your offer. Brilliant move, with Pettitte probably retiring.

MB923
4 years 9 months ago

Hey I’m not defending the a-holes who did that. Definitely a bunch of pricks. But don’t go assume that all Yankee fans do that, and Only Yankee fans do that. Because both are untrue.

But yes, it’s just another Yankee fan who’s an a-hole and there are plenty of them.

Table
4 years 8 months ago

Hm…..Im a Dodger fan……hate the Yanks. Also hate it when any fan base claims that they never leave games early, cause it’s utter bs. Yep you too Sox fans.

MB923
4 years 9 months ago

Don’t know what happened to my first comment or if it got posted

First of all Ronnie, I’m talking about the game where Mark Texiera this year hit 3 HR’s in a game against the Sox. The stadium was emptying by the 7th inning, seemed as if only Yankee fans stayed.

2nd, by saying all Red Sox fans are classy (no you didn’t say that quote directly but by saying all Yankee fans are scumbags and Red Sox aren’t compared, that’s total BS), proves you don’t know much. Look at some unbiased reviews from fans on here, non-Yankee and non-Red Sox, I see some saying Fenway fans were by far and away the worst.

2nd, Yankee fans don’t throw batteries either, I didn’t accuse Red Sox fans. It was Philly fans who threw it at Santa (And Twins fans threw them at Chuck Knoblauch as well).

I went to Fenway, actually had a convo with a couple there, but surprise surprise the couple was in their 40’s-50’s. I don’t think you’ll find obnixous 40-50 year olds at ballparks.

Trust me, there are plenty of bad Yankee and Red Sox fans, and plenty of good ones too. Tell me otherwise, and you’re just wrong, sorry to say.

4 years 9 months ago

1999 ALCS after that blown call at second there was a lot of trash thrown on the field at Fenway. I can also recall a man urinating in a cup in about 2006 or so because he did not want to get up to use the restroom.

Sox, Yanks, and Phillies fans are all pretty much equally bad I feel like. Mets fans too can be that bad but only when they are having a good season. I grew up in NJ and went to college in CT so I feel like I am pretty familiar with the various fan bases and stadiums.

MB923
4 years 9 months ago

Agree Tiffs.

Steve_in_MA
4 years 9 months ago

I agree. I was in the bleachers in ’99, and beer went sailing over my head onto the outfield grass. But that was directed at the umps, and not opposing players’ families.

$1529282
4 years 9 months ago

What do the Red Sox have to do with any of this? And most stadiums would start to empty out at least a little when you’re down 11-3 in the 7th or 8th inning. You’re not going to get a crowd of all die-hard fans. Casual ones will leave.

MB923
4 years 9 months ago

Was responding to a Philly fan who laughed at the Yankees leaving the ballpark early when their own team did the same thing in Game 3 in the WS last year. And before I responded to a Red Sox fan who did the same thing. (Not in this section of the topic but another)

And I agree casual ones will leave, so why do the Yankees only get laughed at it seems?

HowdyDoo11
4 years 9 months ago

you know what, MB? Keep your comments to yourself. You must be a Yankee fan. It’s not the Sox in the news about Lee’s wife. I guess the article is just pointing out that Yankee fans are helping their own team become the front-runners in the Lee acquisition… that’s all.

MB923
4 years 9 months ago

dave, why don’t you keep YOUR comments to YOURself. You must be a Red Sox fan. Accusing one fan base of having obnoxious fans (truth) while your own fan base has some of it’s own.

HowdyDoo11
4 years 9 months ago

well, it’s the yankee fans that made the headlines, MB.

MB923
4 years 9 months ago

True but it’s the Yankee haters coming out and calling ALL of NY and Yankee fans pathetic when there are other fan bases around the country who do the same thing.

HowdyDoo11
4 years 9 months ago

good point. I concurr. Next time it might be a Sox article on how unruley we get, too. Been to plenty of Sox/Yanks games at Fenway and old NYY stadium. I had a blast each and every time. I love baseball in general. I just don’t like how it’s become big business now.

MB923
4 years 9 months ago

Yeah I agree, more of a business than a game today it seems. But I’ve said it before and as a fan I don’t like saying it, we make think of baseball as a game, but Major League Baseball = A business

Sorry about the argument before, don’t take anything personal. I’m not a mean guy in any way lol

HowdyDoo11
4 years 9 months ago

no offense taken, MB. Our rivalry is perhaps most fueled by our teams own fans. it’s all good, we’re all entitled to voice our opinion. maybe we’ll be see each other in the post season next year. that’s always fun.

MB923
4 years 9 months ago

Speaking of the postseason, I don’t think it’s been posted here but I could be wrong easily, MLB is thinking of expanding the number of teams in the postseason. I think it’s a pretty good idea IF they reduce the regular season games maybe back to 154 like it was

It’s on ESPN and you’ll see the talk of it there

4 years 9 months ago

LOL, any original thoughts on this pal, or do you just care to regurgitate what ESPN tells you over, and over, and over, and over, and over again?

Lee played in Philly, I don’t remember his wife saying these things about any other fan base before this. Why is that?

The_Silver_Stacker
4 years 9 months ago

If you ever been to a Yankees game which your most likely have not, will know 97% of the fans at the games do not take part in such disgushting behavior. All fan bases have these morons some more than others.

4 years 9 months ago

On the flip side, 97% of the Yankees fans who show up in droves at the Ballpark in Arlington do take part in that disgusting behavior. It’s wierd because none of the other teams’ fans act like that in somebody else’s ballpark.

tmoney352
4 years 9 months ago

I was at the Game 6 clincher last Friday, and the Yankee fans around us certainly did their share of smack talking. HOWEVER, when the Rangers seemed to have the game closed out after the 8th, the Yankee fans left and shook hands with the guys they had been jawing with, all in good fun.

As a season ticket holder, I’ve seen all the opposing fans come out to the Ballpark, and both the BoSox fans and the Yankee fans are the most boisterous. It 100% depends on the fan’s personality if the fan is going to show “disgusting behavior.” I don’t like the Yankees, and have had some not good opinions about some of their fans, but to say no other teams’ fan act like that in opposing ballparks just isn’t true.

4 years 9 months ago

True. My statment was more of a generalization/rounding than an absolute. There’s always the exception.

4 years 9 months ago

97% huh??? having been to every Sox Vs. Yanks game in the Brox over the last 3 yrs. I would have to say your over shooting by a ton! and I have herd from other friends that are fans of the Phills, Mets, and Royals and they have all had similar experiences as this Red Sox fan!

start_wearing_purple
4 years 9 months ago

Been saying the same thing for years. The only problem, the wife of the ace pitcher your team was courting was exposed to the 3%. Still there’s a difference being the ace of the team beating the yanks and the ace of the yanks. If Lee signs with the yanks then suddenly the ones cursing Lee will have amnesia.

4 years 9 months ago

for me its simple keep the wives and family out of it…its not the first time skank fans have done this either…if I were Lee I would say the hell with NY!

HowdyDoo11
4 years 9 months ago

“She enjoys New York as much as anyone enjoys New York.”

translation:

“She enjoys New York as much as she enjoys jumping into an pool full of filthy hypodermic needles.”

HowdyDoo11
4 years 9 months ago

or…

“she enjoys New York as much as rolling down a hill laden with schards of glass and then jumping into a pool of hydrogen peroxide.”

Steve_in_MA
4 years 9 months ago

This is very true. But the 3%-5% of teams’ fans just give the remainder a bad name. I think this is disasterous for your pitching staff, because with Pettitte retiring, and Lee’s wife telling him not to sign in NY at any price, your team is definitely going to suffer for this.

Guest
4 years 9 months ago

Phew, good thing we got this comment out of the way first…

Infield Fly
4 years 9 months ago

Oh yeah! For years Yankees fans have come to Shea/Citi Field not to watch a game but to actually run around the stadium beating their chests and proclaiming their “superiority.” I’m talking days when the Yanks aren’t even playing the Mets! What kind of “classy” fan does that?

4 years 9 months ago

We had this same problem here in Texas…right up untill we swept their yankee butts during that series in the regular season. I personally puched out a Yankee fan for butting their big stupid flag on the outfield railing. A crowd of Yankee fans booed me and came over to join the party……untill about 20 or so Rangers fans steped up and punked them out. All the yankee fans then proceed to remind us how many championships they had won…..BUT THEY DON’T GET ONE THIS YEAR!!! I also found it amaizong how many Yankee fans were talking a boat load of trash before the game, yet scatted like roaches before that game ended. Thank you, Nelson Cruz.

Infield Fly
4 years 9 months ago

All the yankee fans then proceed to remind us how many championships they had won….I also found it amaizong how many Yankee fans were talking a boat load of trash before the game, yet scatted like roaches before that game ended.

Dude, that’s like a typical encounter with a Yankee fan at the Mets ballpark when the Yankees AREN’T visiting. A lot of Yanks fans just show up so they can brag and heckle. I never understood the need for that crap. Why not just enjoy the game?

Thank you, Nelson Cruz.
Yeah, Nelly is the MAN! :)

4 years 9 months ago

If anything the Met’s should be heckling the Yanks. You guys get Seinfield, the Yanks got Kostanza (I hope I spelled that right). End of story right there.

4 years 9 months ago

Well they try to do the same thing in Fenway….Just doesn’t work!

BoomDizzle
4 years 9 months ago

Kristen, have you been living under a rock? Everyone knows that Skanks fans are some of the most vile and repulsive vermin to walk the earth. They think nothing of spitting on you or anyone else. If you had collapsed, they would have cheered with glee.

Hopefully you and Cliff will have the good sense to stay away from that hell hole.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

Yeah really.

I agree with her.

I got heckled last wearing my Texas stuff more than any fan in Baseball History ever was.

They make Man Utd and Phillies fans look civil.

4 years 9 months ago

Sit in the Bleachers, it gets worse…

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

I’m sure 160 million for her husband will override her moral standing.

0bsessions
4 years 9 months ago

I think it’s more moral outrage than standing. That said, $160 million dollars would make me forget someone throwing a beer at me right quick.

Guest
4 years 9 months ago

Yeah, considering Lee pitched for team where a fat slob vomited on a 10 year old girl intentionally. Further, I’ve been to a ton of Yank games and Yankee fans are some of the most cordial in the sport. I call bs on this one. I went to a Yankee game at Fenway two years ago. People were vomiting all over the place, kids heckling people in cars are they drove by the stadium and so on…The ultimate college just let out for the summer feeling.

4 years 9 months ago

What are you calling bs on? That she said those things about her experience?

0bsessions
4 years 9 months ago

I seem to recall this same individual refusing to believe people could have conceivably insulted Papelbon’s pregnant wife during the 2008 All Star Game ceremonies. He lives in his own “Yankee fans are above it all” world.

Guest
4 years 9 months ago

Yes, Tim. I just don’t agree with these statements and the reporting by Bob Nightengale. Look we can all argue about players all we want, who’s better, who’s not, who’s overpaid, which team is ruining the sport. It’s the competitive nature of the game I suppose, but I know this much for sure, having been to countless games, I’ve never had as much as a peanut shell thrown at me, so I don’t believe there is any basis to Kristen Lee’s comments. Yankee fans have a voracious appetite for winning, but classless, absolutely not. In fact echoing Obsessions sarcasim, Yankee fans are some of the classiest in the game.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

Just to play devils advocate, why would they throw peanuts at you? Did you have an opponents jersey on, sitting in a section of opponents fan base, in the playoffs?

Doubtful.

You don’t know what went down or not. could have been a few college guys that got drunk and went to town.

0bsessions
4 years 9 months ago

“having been to countless games, I’ve never had as much as a peanut shell thrown at me”

How many Yankee games have you showed up to rooting for the opponent?

“In fact echoing Obsessions sarcasim, Yankee fans are some of the classiest in the game. ”

No, they really aren’t. They’re easily bottom five (And yes, I’d throw my own rooting interests fanbase in that list as well). I’d put Cardinals and Twins fans up on top, by and large.

4 years 9 months ago

So she made that stuff up for some reason, that’s a bold assertion.

woadude
4 years 9 months ago

I can see the logic in her making it up, as in now you tack on an extra 15 million and an extra year just to make sure he makes more than CC, what a loving wife.

bjsguess
4 years 9 months ago

That makes sense. Just because the fans didn’t berate you with beer, peanuts, jeers, there is no reason why they would be hostile to wives of opposing teams.

I’ve been to a few Yankee games. Wearing my Angels hat. I didn’t get HER treatment but the fans were a little less than cordial. Let’s just say it wasn’t a great family experience. Been to other games with Angel gear and wasn’t treated like that.

4 years 9 months ago

I second that experience, only with Tigers garb. I’d gone about five feet into Yankee Stadium before I heard, “Go back to Detroit!,” which was the nicest thing I heard from Yankees fans that night. I couldn’t care less about that stuff, but for Yankees fans to say it never happens — or that rude treatment is unusual for visitors — is absurd.

BlueCatuli
4 years 9 months ago

If that were true there would be reports about Bob Nightengale having a law suit filed against him for libel.

4 years 9 months ago

Do you ever listen to the Baseball Prospectus podcasts with Kevin Goldstein and Jason Parks? Jason Parks was at the Yankees games and he was reporting this exact story from personal experience. He saw the things that were happening to Cliff Lee’s wife and all the other wives of the Rangers. When I saw this update by this site, I thought they were reporting old news because it registered with me last week. And he was reporting his own story of beer being soaked on him as well by Yankees fans. I understand personal experience of seeing things and believing it is the norm, but now you have multiple sources to consider.

Slopeboy
4 years 9 months ago

A few cents to add to this debate. I don’t doubt what Kristin Lee is saying, but I find the timing of her complaint a bit interesting. I’m certain this was not her first visit to Yankees Stadium, her husband pitched for the Indians and last year for the Phils, so she’s been there before. She never complained about any kind of problem before, so I’m wondering . Does that mean nothing ever happened before or did she just decide to make a statement this time around with her husband being a FA at season’s end?
Not to make excuses for the morons involved, but she was sitting in a section that, does not seat ‘regulars’. Those seats most often go to corporate types and people that only go to post season games and are not relective of most Yankees fans. Many of these ‘people’ show up to these games not to root, but to become part of the game, and think that it’s ok to harass the opposition. All Yankees fans should not be lumped in with these creeps. To be fair, I’m sure this goes on in other places as well. I’m surprised that she didn’t call security, I’m sure she’s familiar with that option. I won’t make the bombastic proclamation that the Yankees security in the best in MLB, but if she had made a call to security it would be resolved quickly. As it is, it just sounds just bit disingenuous, coming when it does.

BoSoxSam
4 years 9 months ago

And I had a great time at Fenway when I went this year. I think its a situation of getting a bad night, a bad crowd, etc. When I went there was minimal heckling or unpleasant behavior; the worst people in my section were the two Blue Jays fans screaming at the top of their lungs as Toronto beat up on us 😛 But mostly it was a really mild crowd. Situations like this suck, but are not the norm, simply the exception.

BravesRed
4 years 9 months ago

Have you seen his wife? I think he would be scared of her if he goes against her.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

Well that can be said for any married man… but I’m sure when they throw that much money at the family she will be up there taunting, throwing beer and spitting with the best of em.

Steve_in_MA
4 years 9 months ago

Except where civilized human beings are offering $150MM, and they can afford to tell the neaderthals to shove it, which they will.

ukJaysfan
4 years 9 months ago

I’d love to see him spurn the Yankees. It would do my heart good.

Since_77
4 years 9 months ago

If he rejects them that maybe a bless for the Yanks. That big of a commitment (in dollars and length of contract) to a player that takes the field every 5th is risky. Sabathia is already a horse and has delivered for the most part but Lee is already going to be 33 next season. You can make the case that pitchers like Burnett, Beckett, Johann Santana, Josh Johnson & Lowe aren’t worth the same kind of commitment.

0bsessions
4 years 9 months ago

Seconded. For all the people saying “suck it Yankee,” I have been saying for months I think them signing him long term is a bad idea.

woadude
4 years 9 months ago

yeah because Josh Johnson is old

woadude
4 years 9 months ago

how ironic that 28 people liked this

John Gyna
4 years 9 months ago

blah blah blah. money talks, (you know what) walks.

privey
4 years 9 months ago

But it doesn’t offend Mrs. Lee when Texas Ranger fans seranade “Yankees Suck” throughout the playoffs. I call that a double standard.

stl_cards16
4 years 9 months ago

You don’t see a difference between yelling something at the players on the field and screaming curse words, personal attacks, spitting, and throwing beer at someone in the stands?

privey
4 years 9 months ago

I don’t believe that happened because the Yankees security is the best in baseball.
Is Mrs. Lee a liar….I guess you can say yes to that.

briantalletsmoustache
4 years 9 months ago

As you’ve surely been to all thirty stadiums and have intensely scrutinized their security, I’m sure you’re right that “Yankees security is the best in baseball.”

stl_cards16
4 years 9 months ago

So you have never seen anyone throw beer or spit in yankee stadium and then get thrown out? If you haven’t I would say you haven’t been to very many games. I have seen this a few times in St. Louis, Chicago, and this year when my Cardinals were in Cincy. It happens. It’s not a reflection of the whole fanbase, people get drunk and do stupid things. For you to garauntee it didn’t happen when a lady is saying it did is childish.

Montero1220
4 years 9 months ago

Exactly. So her being all pissy about it happening to her in New York is just naive. Fans everywhere are rude to anyone who supports the opposing team. It’s kinda hard to believe though especially the way it was written. It makes Yankee stadium sound like Citizens Bank park. Meh. I wonder if this will start a trend in which other sports wives like all wives make a big deal out of nothing.

Tools_of_Ignorance
4 years 9 months ago

Care to pass judgment on others that you’ve never met based on incidents you did not attend because they aren’t congruent with your fandom?

I really hope you aren’t indicative of the typical Yankee fan, because you’re setting a hell of an example.

privey
4 years 9 months ago

I’m commenting on what I have seen. Ignorance what fan base do you conform to. The sisters of the poor?

laxtonto
4 years 9 months ago

So this photo from one of the players wives is a lie?

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=449439179603&set=a.104683764603.90754.21241649603&pid=5105487&id=21241649603

Misty May-Treanor is a professional beach volleyball player and the backup C for Texas wife… All of the players family sat in section 226 on the 3B side. This is actually a common complaint from visiting players families and regardless of how hard security tries it is very hard to make anyone accountable from the 2nd deck.

privey
4 years 9 months ago

The Kennedy photos are clearer then those….LMAO

TheBunk
4 years 9 months ago

You’re embarrassing yourself.

privey
4 years 9 months ago

Not really Bunk….I can’t tell what they are doing….You can!

NQATom
4 years 9 months ago

I love when people make claims like “Yankees security is the best in baseball.” How would you possibly know that? Are you a security consultant for MLB? Have you closely examined the procedures of the Brewers, Royals or any other random team? I doesn’t make sense for Cliff Lee’s wife to make up a story like this.

4 years 9 months ago

We all know that the Royals have the best security contingent in baseball. They don’t even let the fans in through the gates!

BravesRed
4 years 9 months ago

I totally disagree. Five teams averaged less fans than the Royals. 5 – Toronto. 4 – Pittsburgh. 3 – Florida. 2 – Oakland. 1 and best security – Cleveland.

Ferrariman
4 years 9 months ago

toronto doesn’t count because they lost like 4 or 5(maybe more) home games because of the G-20 summit.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

Those games counted for jays attendance figures. and we’re 40,000+ each game.

privey
4 years 9 months ago

You’re right she is costing her husband money if the Yankees aren’t contenders for his services.

4 years 9 months ago

So… Misty May’s facebook page where she posts PICTURES OF THE YANKEE FANS DOING IT… she’s lying too?

Steve_in_MA
4 years 9 months ago

Check yourself in or the men in white coats will be coming for you.

Pecos_Drifter
4 years 9 months ago

Telling the truth isn’t a bad thing, the yankees team sucked and the fans are borderline mental patients……..enjoy watching the series and tell more about “Last Year”

MB923
4 years 9 months ago

Well if the Yankees suck, I guess the only AL team that doesn’t then is the Rangers. Since they were the final 2 teams of the AL. Therefore chanting Red Sox, Blue Jays, Royals, Orioles, Twins, Rays, White Sox, Tigers, Indians, A’s, Angels and Mariners Suck is just as clever.

privey
4 years 9 months ago

Yeah right…they suck and last year…Who won last year? lmao

4 years 9 months ago

It’s totally different. We’re saying the Yankees suck….not the Yankee’s Wives suck.

Steelslayer
4 years 9 months ago

I would love to see the Yankee fans be the one’s to shoot themselves in the foot with this one. Please stay in Texas Cliff Lee

privey
4 years 9 months ago

Oh please Cliff….Please….Please…Please stay…I’ll do anything!

4 years 9 months ago

So let me get this straight, the same security at Yankee Stadium that wouldn’t allow Bald Vinny and the bleacher creatures to chant “BOX SEATS SUCK” allowed fans to taunt, throw beer, and spit on Mrs. Lee? If she didn’t feel comfortable, she could talk to security who a) would have thrown out the offending fans in a heartbeat or b) moved her to suite or someplace better. Anyone who was at the games during the ALCS knew how tight and overbearing security was those days.

Texas fans weren’t exactly angels in the series, either. Sorry, but something about this just doesn’t add up. But if it’s true then by all means, if the Lees want to pass up millions of dollars not to come to New York then more power to them.

Guest
4 years 9 months ago

I’m in agreement. Something just doesn’t add up about this.

4 years 9 months ago

“b) moved her to suite or someplace better”
yes because im sure yankee stadium had all sorts of open suites and box seats because they dont sell out at all….

laxtonto
4 years 9 months ago

So the fact one of the players wives has a picture of 3 NYY fans spitting off the 2nd deck onto them is a complete fabrication? This is actually a pretty standard complaint from visiting player’s families.

It is extremely hard to police that type of behavior when the opposing players family sit in section 226 directly underneath the upper decks on the 3B side. Very hard to catch it when no one knows who did it from the deck above.

Go to Misty May-Treanor, professional beach volleyball player and wife of the Rangers backup C, facebook page if you want to see the picture…

bigpupp
4 years 9 months ago

No. It’s the same stadium that has allowed “why are you gay” song to be sung in the bleachers. Google search Yankee why are you gay and you will see this.

melonis_rex
4 years 9 months ago

Totally. That’s a much worse song than “Box Seats Suck.” And, it didn’t get stopped until it caught on and got criticized in the media.

Sawksfan
4 years 9 months ago

Wow. Well you remember how Tex’s wife pushed the “New York” button b/c it had better shopping?

Texas will offer enough. Lee stays in Texas.

4 years 9 months ago

As an Angels fan, I hope Texas backs up the Brink’s truck to sign Alex Rod… uh, Cliff Lee.

MB923
4 years 9 months ago

I think he stays in Texas regardless. If the Yankees won the ALCS, MAYBE it’s a different story, but I think he will stay.

privey
4 years 9 months ago

Texeira’s wife had no second thoughts. Texeira had second thoughts about Boston however.

Royal_Assbadger
4 years 9 months ago

Let’s see, 160 million to live amongst the vilest fans in baseball or 150 million to live in a place that you really like?

Yeah, tough decision.

4 years 9 months ago

People like you call Yankee fans “vile” have likely:

1) Never been to New York or Yankee Stadium

2) Have no idea how quickly unruly fans get thrown out of Yankee Stadium (even season ticket holders, as I’ve seen)

3) Have moral standards that are not met by any fans in any sport, let alone the Yankees

Also, not liking the fans != not liking New York. But hey, don’t let facts get in the way of your narrative.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

I hate the yankees…but your post is dead on. all points.

Ferrariman
4 years 9 months ago

Facts? What facts? All 3 of your points are opinions that you are trying to spin as facts I’m not trying to say their isn’t truth in them or anything, but don’t try selling it for what they aren’t

4 years 9 months ago

I love New York but the fans are obnoxious. I have been to all NY stadiums, old and new and have been treated poorly and crudely when cheering for another team (politely I might add) and the supposedly best security in baseball was nowhere to be seen

4 years 9 months ago

Where is this best security in baseball really? I even saw a security guard in the stands not doing his job, but made a hell of a catch with his barehands to grab a homerun ball. Who is saying this?

roomwithamoose
4 years 9 months ago

5 people mean that every Yankees fan is vile? seems kind of like an ignorant statement, I guess the team you root for has the most ignorant fans in baseball based on your amazing logic. Listen, every team has crazy people, and I’ve had friends who’ve had beer dumped on them at Fenway, and security kicked my friends out. I also know Red Sox fans who actually don’t dump beer on people, and actually show respect, so um before you make broad baseless statements look at yourself seems like you’re revealing more about yourself here, than Yankees fans

NYBravosFan10
4 years 9 months ago

I haven’t been to Yankee stadium in a long time so I could be wrong about this but I find it hard to believe that Yankee stadium is worse than citizens bank park. I’ve went to 4 games there last year and I was almost in fear for my life!!! Plus, any stadium that builds the opponents bullpen right next to a fans walkway just so they can get get taunted easily is a loser in my book. The Phillies bullpen is alot harder to get a good look at!!!

pmc765
4 years 9 months ago

Let’s say the auction starts and the Bankees offer, oh, $150M for six years. The Rangers could offer somewhat less, maybe 5% or so, and get their man just because of the absence of a state income tax in Texas.

Somebody who knows what the rate is in NY for state income tax for top earners let us know. If it’s 8%, the net savings is somewhat less because it’s a federal deduction, although taxpayers with that earning level lose their Schedule A deductions quickly. Basically top earner athletes are tax paying machines, funnels of cash into public treasuries. They pay federal tax, state income tax in the state where they earn their pay, AND municipal income tax in every city they play in that has such a tax. The net rate is roughly 50% when all is said and done, so never complain about an athlete’s exorbitant salary.

Texas is one of eight or so states with no state income tax. Others include Florida, Nevada, Tennessee and New Hampshire. The Rangers have more than one edge here…we Yankee haters can hope the 2011 model ages before our eyes.

Sawksfan
4 years 9 months ago

Not sure what the rate is but even if he lives in Connecticut (alot of NY players do) or even New jersey, cost of living, income tax and property tax is rediculous compared to some of the southern states. Mike Francesa on YES estimated Texas has a $40M advantage over New York because of the above. The article in USA Today pretty much says they’re comfortable in Texas with family close. Even if Yankees offer $160-170M over 6 years, there’s no guarantee Lee takes it.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

Its 8.97 for new york state, within new york city I’m pretty sure theres an extra 3.5 for local taxes…

last i checked.

4 years 9 months ago

You’re right that the lack of state income tax gives Texas something to sell. The Yankees have things to sell too, mainly the endorsement deals that come with playing in the largest media market in the country (CC can attest to this pretty easily with all the commercials he’s been in since coming to NYC).

Speaking of CC, don’t forget he was apprehensive about coming to the city too, now he lives in an upscale neighborhood in New Jersey and was set up with a charter to fly home whenever he wants. Don’t underestimate what the Yankees will do to making accepting their buckets of money easier.

4 years 9 months ago

Most of the investers who bought the Rangers are local and state buisnessmen who could throw down on some endorsements too. Probably not on the level of the media machine that New York could do, but enough to make things interesting.

NQATom
4 years 9 months ago

It isn’t as simple as which state you live in. MLB players pay taxes for where the games are played. Lee would pay taxes for 82 games played Texas/NY/whereever his team is then pay taxes in the states where the other 82 games are played. I’m not sure how it works with the Blue Jays.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

I’m pretty sure thats not true.

laxtonto
4 years 9 months ago

completely correct…

So Lee would pay approximately half of the 10% tax due to the home away schedule plus whatever taxes he would pay in other cities that carry a jock tax. So a 150M deal would effectively be changed by approximately 7.5M by having home games in Texas (actually more due to playing the Astros in Inter-league every year).

Not a huge difference, but enough to be a valid point in negotiations. Lets also not forget that DFW is a top 5 media market and is nowhere near as a saturated by professional athletes (local and otherwise) as NYC as far as marketing is concerned. Lee will get the national sponsorships regardless due to his name recognition, but the local and regional marketing opportunities are what pads the bottom line of an athlete. Combine that with Lee’s more country demeanor and it would be easy to see why from a marketing standpoint a team in the south or southwest may be a more lucrative area for Lee than NYC.

privey
4 years 9 months ago

I have been to Yankee Stadium, Fenway, Camden Yards and Citizens Bank….By far Fenway has the most disgusting fans in baseball. The labels Philadelphia and New York have are made up by stupid fans who don’t know better and vengeful media who wish they worked in those towns.

Ferrariman
4 years 9 months ago

I’ve been to a couple games at Fenway as well and several other parks(old yankees stadium, AT&T, busch I and II, wrigley, Great American) and I have to say, Fenway was definitly the worst. Philly was a close second

Tools_of_Ignorance
4 years 9 months ago

Where do you get your tin foil hats?

privey
4 years 9 months ago

From you

Tools_of_Ignorance
4 years 9 months ago

Touche!

4 years 9 months ago

Your comment should be titled, Hey I want to start a flame war.

Sawksfan
4 years 9 months ago

Seriously. Is today “Teacher’s Workshop” day?

start_wearing_purple
4 years 9 months ago

Trust me when I say you don’t want me to talk about the last time I was in yankee stadium. The really funny thing is despite having things thrown at me, getting heckled by fans, and hearing some pretty nasty comments about my gf… I know that was just a group of morons. Or the really funny part was it wasn’t a yanks/Red Sox game… I was there rooting for the Blue Jays.

4 years 9 months ago

I don’t know, it feels like a negotiating tactic to me. There’s probably some truth to it but I would guess it’s somewhat exaggerated. Remember all the talk leading up to Sabathia’s free agency about how he wanted to pitch in California, there hasn’t been as much talk about Lee ostensibly not wanting to play in NY. I would guess it’s a little thing, blown out of proportion in order let the Yankees know they aren’t getting off cheap. If Lee signs in NY I’ll believe I’m right about this, if he signs somewhere else I’ll be open to changing my mind.

Macfan1
4 years 9 months ago

it is my sincere hope that as a Yankee fan Cliff Lee and his wife stay far away from the Yankees. I would prefer to see the Yankees even struggle for a couple of seasons to build up a young core once againThey already have Cano, Hughes needs to develop his secondary pitches this offseason.Jesus Montero by all accounts will hit for power at the big league level if the Yankees don’t muck up his development. How long can they keep trying to squeeze quality seasons out of Jeter, Posada, Rivera, Pettitte. Isn’t it time they acknowledge the team needs an infusion of young talent. I was beyond disgusted hearing some fellow Yankee fans after the ALCS, not only do they want Lee, but some suggest trade Granderson and Swisher and sign Crawford and Werth. Ugh!I wish someone would give the memo to Cashman that this team needs to get YOUNGERwe have a 40 year old catcher, 40 year old closer, albeit effective still and a 36 year old SSWhat is wrong with that picture. Sheesh. No Cliff Lee please, just another long term contract that limits the team for years to come.

4 years 9 months ago

So if you were the GM of the Yankees you would… what? Tell Jeter thanks for the memories? Release Posada and A-rod?

And did you really just act like Rivera didn’t have a quality season? Who cares how old he is, Mariano is not a mortal man.

Also, Cliff Lee will get a maximum 5-6 year deal, and he’s the type of pitcher (command and control, like Maddux/Mussina/Pettitte) who age better than most.

Macfan1
4 years 9 months ago

Those who don’t learn from mistakes are doomed to repeat it.

Posada is 40 and trying to catch MLB games, he played less than half the games this season at the catcher position

I clearly mentioned Rivera albeit 40 is still effective in my post. The Yankees however do have to prep themselves for any Rivera decline or injury, given his age. So that they aren’t left in a stupor if he gets hurt eventually.

Jeter is at an age when most offensive SS decline. We need look no further than this season. He had a better post season, but his regular season was a definite decline and why will that not continue as he gets older. Its only natural

They have no choice with the Arod contract, it is what it is because they signed him to it and are now locked in until he is 41

My main point stands the team needs to get Younger, it cannot continue at this rate or before we know it they will be an old, declined team with a bunch of mediocre players taking over, because they never properly prepared for the aftermath.

Lets hope Montero is the real deal and can take over for Posada on offense at least for years to come

Lets hope Hughes develops his offspeed pitches and improves next season

Lets hope Nunez and Nova are players that will contribute for seasons to come.

The team needs to get younger and any Yankee fan not acknowledging that is ignoring the situation.

4 years 9 months ago

Teams get old. It happens. The only places they can actually upgrade (the OF) is manned by people who are under 30 years old. Unless you want to ditch Jeter (won’t happen) they’re not getting younger any time soon. Posada is a non-issue, he’s gone after 2011.

For all your talk about the age of the Yankees, in 2012 by default they’ll be young at 6 of the 8 positions on the diamond. I think you’re overreacting just a bit, their average age was older in 2009 than it was in 2010, and they managed to win a World Series didn’t they?

Macfan1
4 years 9 months ago

I was moreso examing the core of the team that the Yankees success has thrived off of for years.

That is where the focus of getting younger was.

Certainly having a Cano, Montero, Hughes as he continues to develop can help that issue out.

We will see what happens, I just can’t take anymore of these long term contracts that lock in players. I’m already sickened with the A.J. Burnett deal, he has been mediocre last season to very poor this season since signing and we have him for 3 more seasons.

privey
4 years 9 months ago

How old are Teixeira, Swisher, Granderson, Gardner, Hughes, Sabathia, Nunez, Nova, Chamberlain and Logan. Answer 30 or less!!!!

Sawksfan
4 years 9 months ago

I hope you’re not pinning your hopes of #28 on Joba and Logan. LOL

4 years 9 months ago

Any Yankee fan ignoring the situation is either paying attention to the Jets/Giants season or just screaming “Get Werth! Get Crawford! Get Lee!”.

Sawksfan
4 years 9 months ago

As a Sox fan, I do have respect for Jeter, Rivera and Posada and think it’s fitting they finish their careers in pinstripes. Something about seeing Jeter in a Brewers uniform doesn’t feel right hahaThat said, the Yankees are in a difficult position to transition to new talent. Your sentiment is exactly what alot of Yankee fans will want: keep Jeter, Rivera, Posada, Petitte until they hang it up in 3-4 years. Of the 4, Rivera is the only one playing at a high level. Jeter had a great 2009 but had his worst OPS in his career in 2010. There’s talk of Jeter being transitioned to LF to make room for Nunez. Posada batted .248 and has given way to Cervelli. Petitte had a great season when healthy but only started 21 games. He may even retire (I think he comes back). Even A-Rod has lost a bit. He hasn’t been very durable over the last 3 years (avg 133 games played). Do they stay loyal to these guys at the sake of the team? I think (assume) the Yankees show loyality to them for what they’ve done in the past. They were the building blocks of the team transformation. At what point do they move on?Yes, Lee will be pitching until 37-38 at the end of this contract, but his level of play now is certainly not an indication of how he’ll be at the end of his career, no matter how good he is now.It’s a tricky road going forward over the next 2-3 years.

4 years 9 months ago

Macfan, I get what you’re saying but really, does it matter if the Yankees win with a young team or an old team? They just advanced to the ALCS with the current crop of players are are talking about adding the best pitcher on the market this winter. Sure, those players are going to be a year older next year but I don’t see any reason why they still couldn’t win. When the time comes to rebuild with youth they’ll know because they won’t make it to the ALCS, or the playoffs at all and the old players will collapse, right now it just doesn’t look that way though. Give them another year or two. Besides, it’s not that easy to rebuild a championship caliber team with young players, you can’t just wish it to happen. Right now Cliff Lee is the best alternative for adding talent to the organization and it’s only going to cost the Yankees (if they get him) something they have plenty of, money. Seems like the thing to do to me.

theyankeefanatic
4 years 9 months ago

Cral Crawford is the same age Granderson and Werth is only a year older than Swisher and if Granderson and Swisher were traded don’t you think it would be to bring in younger talent in the positions where the team is aging…

4 years 9 months ago

There’s almost no need. I feel the Yankees are gonna progress their farm in the next couple of seasons, and we already have a prospect with alot of tools and raw talent in Heathcott, and remember, the Yanks also signed this Dominican OF who is projected a 5-tool player.

4 years 9 months ago

Same here. I think this team needs to build for the future, and not saying they can’t compete next year, but they’re stars are getting older. This team needs to see new, young, fresh faces instead of old ones that cost $100M, and not just because of the sake of it, this team is really getting old. And I stopped paying attention to bandwagon Yankee fans along time ago. From Lincecum, to Mauer, to Lee, Ive stopped caring.

stl_cards16
4 years 9 months ago

I have figured out why Lebron likes the Yankees. “we are the classiest fans in baseball” I like how people can just tag themselves with labels these days. Lebron is the “King”

Macfan1
4 years 9 months ago

I would love to know what is the deal with folks taking offense to Lebron being a “FREE AGENT” and going where he was free to.

Lebron is not some thug, problem player, or troublemaker.

The guy did what he felt was best for him as a free agent.

People need to give it a rest by now. It is disgusting how some folks have gone on about this guy like he is some drug tainted, wife beating, contract holdout, sext messaging athlete.

Lebron was free to go wherever he wanted, he could have gone to Russia or Greece if he so desired, he chose Miami.

Sheesh.

stl_cards16
4 years 9 months ago

How in any way did my comment have anything to do with “The Decision”?

Macfan1
4 years 9 months ago

Well clearly you were making a cynical remark about Lebron James being referenced as “The King”

Wonder if you would have felt that way about his label prior to his decision to leave Cleveland, after all the Cleveland fans didn’t start calling him Queen James until he left.

stl_cards16
4 years 9 months ago

Never been a Lebron fan, and never been a Cleveland fan. It was a comment about people proclaiming themselves “the classiest fans in baseball” as Lebron calls himself “the King” nothing to do with free agency

pmc765
4 years 9 months ago

Francesa’s estimate of a $40M Texas advantage is interesting.

Another advantage is no six hour flights. NY’s division rivals are all within one hour by air while Texas is in the AL West and has long flights to Seattle, Oakland and LA. But they can get back to DFW from anywhere in 3-4 hours, while the east coast teams spend more time in those tubes. It adds up…all things being equal Texas is an ideal central location.

Finally, it just so happens this gentleman is a native of the state next door, Arkansas. When you think about it, if he signs with the Bronx Zoo he deserves what he gets…it will demonstrate beyond doubt he’s a craven mercenary (unless Texas does not make a competitive offer).

Stay home, Cliff. Revive the local baseball franchise. Pay less tax. Go to NY only to visit.

Ferrariman
4 years 9 months ago

Well if your gonna calculate in the extra airtime it takes for people o travel to Oakland,Seattle,etc-than shouldn’t you also take into account the outrageous traffic in northeast metro area that almost puts thing back at equilibrium, if not favor Texas?

4 years 9 months ago

However, Texas plays those division rivals multiple times a year while the Yankees will only go out west to each teams city once. Add it up and I’d bet Texas spends more time in the air than NY.

4 years 9 months ago

A six hour road trip is a non-issue. Players shouldn’t have any problem with it, they do it as a team all year round. If you hate traveling long distances for long periods of time, what are you doing as a baseball player then?

melonis_rex
4 years 9 months ago

Tampa Bay is not a 1 hour flight away from NY.

TwinsVet
4 years 9 months ago

I’m not doubting Mrs. Lee’s claims – but just to be really cynical for a moment…

This wouldn’t be a bad negotiating tactic to get NYY to throw in a few extra perks to the Lee family to get him to sign.

4 years 9 months ago

For those of you calling “BS” on this one, are you Yankees fans? What the hell motivation would she have for making up a story like this?

You always hear people throwing blanket statements out like “This just doesn’t add up.” when they really mean to say, “I don’t like this information so I’m going to reject it.”

Really? You can’t even conceivably imagine an opposing team’s fan was treated poorly in a playoff game?

4 years 9 months ago

It’s not that. It’s because we live in the area or went to the game and saw how ridiculously overbearing the stadium security was during the entire ALCS. They threatened to throw out anyone who cursed or taunted fans. It doesn’t make any sense that an area housing the families of the opposing teams would have zero security around it.

Also, your argument works both ways. You can’t conceive a situation where she might have exaggerated her situation as a negotiating tactic? “Well, Mr. Cashman, my wife doesn’t like New York, but maybe if you made it worth our while…”

akbled
4 years 9 months ago

Well I guess that eliminates the Dodgers too

LUWahooNatFan
4 years 9 months ago

Bring your family on down to D.C…much classier fans(for the few that show up to games)

NQATom
4 years 9 months ago

Great neighborhood too…

Fangaffes
4 years 9 months ago

Or play for the Rays. No fans means no bad behavior.

MB923
4 years 9 months ago

LOL, great post

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

I dunno, i went last year on senior citizen night.. things got pretty roudy