Multiple Teams Preparing Push For Rasmus

Despite John Mozeliak's insistence that Colby Rasmus will not be traded, multiple teams could make a push for the outfielder this winter, according to Joe Strauss of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. In a chat with fans, Strauss indicated that the Braves, Blue Jays, and Diamondbacks are among the teams interested in prying Rasmus away from the Cardinals.

A report earlier this season suggested that a rift between Rasmus and manager Tony La Russa led to the 24-year-old requesting a trade. With La Russa mulling a return to St. Louis for 2011, rival teams are presumably hoping the Cardinals will reconsider their stance on keeping Rasmus. Even if they don't intend to move their former first-round pick, the Cards "will have ample opportunity to turn down trade offers on Rasmus in upcoming weeks and months," according to Strauss.

A month ago, when MLBTR's Ben Nicholson-Smith looked at possible trade partners for the Cardinals and Rasmus, his list included the Braves and Jays, among other clubs.


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431 Comments on "Multiple Teams Preparing Push For Rasmus"


4 years 10 months ago

I believe every team would make a run at a young player of that caliber (and under team contract to boot!). I think we need to be looking at, who could offer what.

4 years 10 months ago

Absolutely agree! Of course now this thread will be filled with offers of non top prospects and bench players. Rasmus will get top talent in return for any team he goes to, and I believe every team would be interested.

nickherrin
4 years 10 months ago

Absolutely. Any team would want a player of this calliber. But the Cardinals simply arent letting Rasmus go. Why would Mozeliak get 60 cents to the dollar on a player who has underperformed in his first two seasons in the Major Leagues? The Cardinals are a much better team with Rasmus, and thats even when he is posting the numbers he put up this year. Not to mention he will likely play much better next year and he is a cheap, solid option.

nickherrin
4 years 10 months ago

Absolutely. Any team would want a player of this calliber. But the Cardinals simply arent letting Rasmus go. Why would Mozeliak get 60 cents to the dollar on a player who has underperformed in his first two seasons in the Major Leagues? The Cardinals are a much better team with Rasmus, and thats even when he is posting the numbers he put up this year. Not to mention he will likely play much better next year and he is a cheap, solid option.

4 years 10 months ago

Marcum, D’Arnaud, Stewart for Rasmus.

BlueJays4
4 years 10 months ago

i agree with D’Arnaud and Stewart but who do we have to replace Marcum? A FA?

4 years 10 months ago

I also agree: D’arnaud is redundant since Carlos Perez has emerged (not to mention Arencibia) and Stewart is blocked at the major league level. Drabek would step into Marcum’s spot, and Rzep and SHill would battle for the 5th spot.

It would STILL be a huge win for the Jays.

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
4 years 10 months ago

but Stewart is (supposedly according to AA) as good as Drabek
i’d say trade Marcum, start both Drabek and Stewart, trade or pen Rzep and Hill

4 years 10 months ago

I agree with this. Marcum, D’Arnaud, another good prospect.. But who and would it be enough.

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
4 years 10 months ago

is there no way that we’re keeping d’arnaud?
is he not as good as i think he is?

4 years 10 months ago

He has nice value and I think Carlos Perez will be even better. Jays have the most catching depth in all of baseball.

4 years 10 months ago

They do? I’m not disagreeing with you, but the Yankees have a ton of depth at Catcher. I thought they had the most depth at that position. I’ve only read on Carlos Perez, J.P. Arencibia, and Travis D’Arnaud. Can you give me some more names?

4 years 10 months ago

AJ Jimenez. Yankees are a close second. Again, fangraphs had an article on this exact topic comparing each Yankee catcher to each Jays one.

4 years 10 months ago

Oh, I see.

4 years 10 months ago

D’Arnaud is far from redundant. When he’s healthy he’s a very solid 2 way catcher and is far ahead of Perez, who has yet to reach Lansing, in development. And I wouldn’t be trading away catchers on the basis of a hot season by Arencibia in homer happy Vegas.

Sniderlover
4 years 10 months ago

EHhhh. Not far… both are damn close and due to Arnaud being injured may have hurt his value while Perez was pretty beast.

I would also watch our for Jiminez. He seems to get no respect in our system.

4 years 10 months ago

He’s not far ahead on Carlos Perez at all. Go look at recent scouting reports on Perez.

4 years 10 months ago

Go read what I wrote. 2 full levels is far ahead in terms of development and means D’Arnaud is nowhere near redundant. You don’t go trading higher level prospects because a guy had a good season in the GCL or NYPL.

ju1ced
4 years 10 months ago

Come reply to this when they release Jays top prospects for next year. You will see everyone rave about Perez, it’s not just ‘stats’ in lower ball…

Not taking anything away from D’Arnaud, because I like him too, but Perez is gonna fly up prospect lists.

4 years 10 months ago

You also missed what I wrote. I don’t deny for a second that Perez has a higher ceiling than D’Arnaud. The only point I am making is that they are 2 full levels apart and therefore D’Arnaud isn’t close to redundant – they are on completely different time tables and the Blue Jays are clearly taking their time with Carlos.

4 years 10 months ago

You also missed what I wrote. I don’t deny for a second that Perez has a higher ceiling than D’Arnaud. The only point I am making is that they are 2 full levels apart and therefore D’Arnaud isn’t close to redundant – they are on completely different time tables and the Blue Jays are clearly taking their time with Carlos.

4 years 10 months ago

Way too much. Every Blue Jay, prospect or major leaguer, is underrated.

jwredsox
4 years 10 months ago

I wouldn’t say that. Just because they are lost in the Rays, Yanks and Sox sometimes doesn’t mean they are all underrated. I actually think there are a couple of over hyped guys on that team.

4 years 10 months ago

Like who?

Keith Y
4 years 10 months ago

no jays are overhyped because americans dont care about them

MLB_in_the_Know
4 years 10 months ago

that’s just because things in Canada don’t matter.

4 years 10 months ago

Be Canadian: live like an American without having to call yourself one.

MLB_in_the_Know
4 years 10 months ago

Didn’t mean to like that, hit the wrong button.

So you want to be American and live like us, without having to do absolutely anything with your life except protect yourself against bears? Which clearly is a full time job.

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
4 years 10 months ago

well…

at least we don’t have to protect ourselves against guns

thank goodness

4 years 10 months ago

Yes. We live in igloos, ride polar bears to work and say eh after every sentence. Post less, read more there Mr. Palin.

MLB_in_the_Know
4 years 10 months ago

You got to me hullo, I am jealous, I totally would love to ride a polar bear to work.

Encarnacion's Parrot
4 years 10 months ago

We also have a 5th season to go along with Spring, Summer, Fall and Winter. It’s 2 months when we are in complete darkess, and it’s called the Canadark.

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
4 years 10 months ago

troll much?

Sniderlover
4 years 10 months ago

I would have to strongly agree.

But I dont think D`Arnaud and Stewart are underrated. Stewart would be a much higher ranked prospect if scouts knew whether he could be a future starter but they don`t. Some say he could be a reliever which hurts his value.

D`Arnaud is still pretty raw and was great before getting injured but I think he is still a top 100 prospect that is solid all-around.

johnsmith4
4 years 10 months ago

Wow…a lot of comments removed in this thread. Got here to late. I guess this is what I get for watching the hockey game.

nepp
4 years 10 months ago

Not enough…Rasmus is an elite player not even close to his peak years yet. He’ll bring an absolute boatload of talent in return.His most similar batter through Age 23 is Bobby Bonds, that’s how good he’s been so far.

jwredsox
4 years 10 months ago

Too bad Colby Rasmus isn’t Bonds at all. He is a Mike Cameron type player. Not bad but certainly not Bonds.

vtadave
4 years 10 months ago

I assume you know that Bobby Bonds isn’t Barry Bonds. Baseball-Reference has Bobby as #1 on Rasmus’ most similar by age list.

jwredsox
4 years 10 months ago

yeah sorry haha it’s late.

4 years 10 months ago

Cool. Let me know when Rasmus posts an OBP above .365.

frontdeskmike
4 years 10 months ago

He said Bobby Bonds.

vtadave
4 years 10 months ago

Cut the guy some slack. Most 12 year-old don’t know that Barry’s dad was a pretty good ball player too.

roberty
4 years 10 months ago

Maybe if Rasmus pumps enough synthetic horse testosterone into his bloodstream he could post a .600 obp. too.

4 years 10 months ago

Yes because steroids made Barry Bonds the second best hitter of all-time.
Also, every hitter should take HGH and they’d hit 54 bombs like Jose Bautista.

4 years 10 months ago

Dude, he means Bobby Bonds. He was really good at baseball, though all people pay attention is Barry.

roberty
4 years 10 months ago

Duh. I’m saying Barry Bonds never would have put up those numbers had he not been on steroids. Maybe people don’t pay attention to Bobby Bonds anymore because he retired before most of us were born. Oh yeah, he’s also been dead for seven years.

moonraker45
4 years 10 months ago

so you’re saying that if johnny mac took steroids he would belt 50 homeruns??

In this magical land you live in is their unicorns and leprechaun too?

roberty
4 years 10 months ago

Duh. I’m saying Barry Bonds never would have put up those numbers (.600 OBP) had he not been on steroids. That implies nothing else. A lot of players have hit 50 HRs without the help of steroids. A lot of players have used steroids and never hit 50 HRs. What I am staying is Barry Bonds never would have put up those numbers had he not been on steroids. That is what I am saying. Want me to say it again? Is this clear enough for you? I’m saying Barry Bonds never would have put up those numbers had he not been on steroids.

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
4 years 10 months ago

so what you’re saying is steroids don’t neccesarily make a batter a 50 HR hitter
but Barry Bonds only hit 50 HRs because he was taking steroids?
great logic there man

roberty
4 years 10 months ago

Bonds could have hit 50 HRs without steroids. He didn’t, but he could have. That isn’t really what I’m saying, but it is true. Bonds never hit 50 HRs while not on steroids. In 1993 he hit 46. Bonds actually only hit more than 50 HRs once. I only mentioned 50 HR’s because some other guy put those words in my mouth. What I am saying is Bonds couldn’t have posted a .600 OBP without steroids. The player with the highest single season OBP. whose name isn’t Barry Bonds is Ted Williams in 1941, when his got on base at a ridiculous .553 clip. This, of course, was the year he also batted .406. Only 10 players have ever gotten on base more than 50% of the time for an entire season. I think this is a lot more impressive than hitting 50 HRs.

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
4 years 10 months ago

the OBP is partly due to his rediculous number of IBB

roberty
4 years 10 months ago

Obviously.

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
4 years 10 months ago

so in reality, his OBP would not be .600
if disregard his IBB, his OBP would just be about .500, still a crazy high number, but it has been achieved by players who are yet to be identified as using PEDs or HGHs or whatever else that helps

roberty
4 years 10 months ago

Now you’ve got it. If Bonds wasn’t on ‘roids, teams would have opted to pitch to him instead of purposely putting him on base 122 times.

roberty
4 years 10 months ago

Obviously.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 10 months ago

Okay. And Brandon Belt is putting up Babe Ruth numbers in AA. But he isn’t great.

BravesRed
4 years 10 months ago

You mean “Roids” Bonds? Rasmus doesn’t make a difference in a game, since you can tell by his WPA, which is .58 this season. When you talk about elite, you will be talking about Buster Posey, Justin Upton, Tim Lincecum, Robinson Cano, Delmon Young, Ubaldo Jimenez, Clay Buchholz, David Price, Trevor Cahill, Felix Hernandez, Jaime Garcia, Josh Johnson, Neftali Feliz, Carlos Gonzalez, Joey Votto, Yovani Gallardo, and Jason Heyward. Those are some of the players that came up within the last few years. Each one of those players are better than Rasmus. Need I remind you, he did request a trade, so the Cardinals lost their leverage.

4 years 10 months ago

Delmon Young, Jaime Garcia and Trevor Cahill don’t have 1/4 of Colby Rasmus’ value.
Fangraphs recently did a trade value list and Rasmus was #14 in all of baseball.

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
4 years 10 months ago

if Rasmus was so irrelevant
why is practically the entire MLB interested in having him?

BravesRed
4 years 10 months ago

Show one report that shows what you just claimed. You can’t show one, because there isn’t one.

4 years 10 months ago

Bobby Bonds, not Barry Bonds. Try reading.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 10 months ago

No. Here’s what I think

I say Marisnick, D’Arnaud, Krouse, and Stewart for Rasmus if it’s the Jays.

Also keep an eye on the Royals…They could get in on this.

4 years 10 months ago

Never even heard of Krouse. Throw in Marcum take back Stewart. Cmooon

Dave_Gershman
4 years 10 months ago

Michael Krouse. And if you add in Marcum and take out Krouse it’s asking for trouble. Krouse and Marisnick are two good prospect with tremendous upside. Stewart is a very good prospect as I’m sure you know and keep D’Arnaud. I am very familiar with the Jays system mainly because I know a lot of players on the Fisher Cats and I saw them play many a times this summer. I’m not saying you don’t, I’m just saying Marcum should stay, Krouse, D’Arnaud, Marisnick, and Stewart should go.

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
4 years 10 months ago

so you don’t think Stewart will be as good as Marcum?
no offence intended at all, im just curious

Dave_Gershman
4 years 10 months ago

Nope. I see Stewart as a reliever in the long term simply because of his delivery issues.

moonraker45
4 years 10 months ago

AA disagrees, and with all do respect, so do i. He may start in the pen because of the logjam in the rotation, but with time, he will be at the front of someones mlb rotation. Down the stretch he was quietly BETTER then drabek.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 10 months ago

That was down the stretch, but Drabek is and will be a better pitcher in the long term than Stewart. I was just saying my opinion though, you know I think Stewart is awesome, I do, but I’m just not as high on him as a lot of Jays fans are. He had a really good season, I just don’t know if he will maintain that going forward, especially as a starter.

4 years 10 months ago

I just feel like Marcum should be the one that goes because he’s under team control for lesser years and is older.

vtadave
4 years 10 months ago

….and he’s also far less proven and at some point, don’t the Jays need to actually hold onto a few of their home-grown guys?

4 years 10 months ago

You’re acting like the Jays are the Pirates. You need to give up something to get something.

Sniderlover
4 years 10 months ago

We don`t have a Krouse. We have Michael Crouse. From what I`ve read, he is a raw prospect and had a good season last year. Supposed 5-tooler but he is wayyyy too far away before sniffing the big leagues.

johnsmith4
4 years 10 months ago

I think it is Crouse. Canadian. About same age as Marsnick..at same level…little bit more power less speed.

jwredsox
4 years 10 months ago

Outside of Stewart I don’t see anyone really intriguing. Crouse is young and hasn’t put up eye popping numbers, D’Arnaud has struggled in the low minors so I think his stock is down, and Marisnick is talented but hasn’t showed anything yet at all. Talent is big but 3 of those 4 guys haven’t done anything special.

4 years 10 months ago

D’Arnaud just got ranked the #1 hitter in the Florida State League by Baseball America but okay.

jwredsox
4 years 10 months ago

I realize it is a pitchers league to some extent but sorry I’m not that excited about .259/.315/.411, 21% K%, 6% BB%, 6HRs in 71 games. I realize he is a catcher but either he needs more power or a better average.

Sniderlover
4 years 10 months ago

He was hitting for power, hitting for high batting average, getting on base before the injury. After that, he was terrible and got injured again.

I believe before the injury he was around .300, .350 OBP, 6 HR and 28 RBI and was probably our hottest and best prospect at the time… and well I explained the rest before.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 10 months ago

Marisnick actually has tremendous upside and is well liked by Goldstein and Callis. It’s actually not as bad as you would think but it’s decent. So seriously man (don’t know your name or what to call you beause your commenting name isn’t like SPAN, joe, or Mike you know?) what do you suggest because trading Marcum doesn’t make sense…D’Arnaud is still very young, and the two OF’s have tons of upside. Do you trade Adeiny? Thames?

Eric Thames is actually a very good prospect. Know him well. Great guy and someone who everyone should like.

If they trade he, D’Arnaud, Stewart, and Marisnick…That is definetly a fair trade.

jwredsox
4 years 10 months ago

I’m not bringing up trades just commenting. Me and you do have different styles though I have come to learn. You like the high upside, low minors guys where-as I prefer the lower risk guys. I was just playing the devil’s advocate in the situation based on my style.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 10 months ago

That’s really interesting and I guess you’re right. I do really like all kinds of prospects but I suppose I have a little more patience for upside guys. So then if we have each other nicknames for the type of prospects we like, I’m Anthony Gose and you’re Kyle Weiland. Yes? Haha.

But yeah I always like talking with you on MLBTR. You’re one of the more knowledgeable guys on here, but there’s 1 problem, you’re a Sox fan!

jwredsox
4 years 10 months ago

haha I know gotta hate them Sox. And I’m more of a Brett Wallace guy to some extent and you are Anthony Gose. I like that example since it was a trade earlier this season even though I’m not really wild about Wallace still.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 10 months ago

Well to me, Wallace is really overrated. He doesn’t play a good 1B, and doesn’t really get on base. Maybe to make you sound more noble, you should be Mike Leake and ill be Zack Wheeler maybe?

Dave_Gershman
4 years 10 months ago

Well to me, Wallace is really overrated. He doesn’t play a good 1B, and doesn’t really get on base. Maybe to make you sound more noble, you should be Mike Leake and ill be Zack Wheeler maybe?

johnsmith4
4 years 10 months ago

Sorry jwredsox…you like low risk and high upside…like Kelly!

jwredsox
4 years 10 months ago

haha I know gotta hate them Sox. And I’m more of a Brett Wallace guy to some extent and you are Anthony Gose. I like that example since it was a trade earlier this season even though I’m not really wild about Wallace still.

johnsmith4
4 years 10 months ago

I would say think of what the Jays would ask for Travis Snider. Cardinals probably want the same for Rasmus.

mateodh
4 years 10 months ago

If the Jays think X is worth Travis Snider, the Cardinals had better get more than X for Rasmus.

Snider has a lot of talent, and it’s not a matter of Cardinal fans overrating Rasmus. Remember that however highly touted Snider has been, Rasmus was there, near the top of a lot of prospect lists. The big difference between them is that Rasmus has translated that talent onto the field for at least one full year.

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
4 years 10 months ago

Noooooooooooo

either you’re underrated the Jays guys or overrating rasmus
he is VERY good, but not good enough to give 2 of out best prospects and a top of the rotation starter.

I’d say Marcum, Arencibia (if we do bring back Buck), and Rzep/Jenkins/Mcguire (this may not be good enough for the Cards to take, but IMO they balance out to around the level of Rasmus)

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
4 years 10 months ago

i meant two of Rzep/Jenkins/Mcquire

Dave_Gershman
4 years 10 months ago

McGuire is not allowed to be traded by league rules, and Zep has no trade value.

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
4 years 10 months ago

shows how much i know

4 years 10 months ago

He’s right.. Rzep doesn’t have any value right now.

4 years 10 months ago

I disagree. smart GMs will look beyond an injury-riddled season and assess his overall body of work (including minors)

His value isn’t as high as it was before the season, but his last 2 starts didn’t hurt…

4 years 10 months ago

smart GM’s also don’t look at 2 starts to mean a single thing. also his body of work isn’t all that impressive. neither is his stuff. sorry, no value IMO.

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
4 years 10 months ago

agree on value, disagree on stuff. He does has strikeout potential.

Sniderlover
4 years 10 months ago

2 starts? Huh? He had an ERA under 4 through the month of September… you know when he finally started to find it. Do you remember how Morrow`s first month went?

He doesnt have overpowering fastball or great command but hes got some nasty pitches and good break on those pitches. He is still trying to harness the command and if he can cut down on his walks he can be a pretty solid pitcher. He was great in 09 but was injured before the season started and it seems he never found it until September.

He does have value, not as much as last year because he had an off-year but he would be a great buy-low option which would be stupid in Jays part to trade him because you apparently think he has no value which is not true.

4 years 10 months ago

He’s like 7th on the Jays SP depth chart.

Sniderlover
4 years 10 months ago

And that makes him have no value?

Okay.

moonraker45
4 years 10 months ago

His slider is devastating, rzep has way more value then you are giving him credit for. He also rose through the jays system pretty quickly, why don’t you give him some time to mature as a professional pitcher rather act like a hater

4 years 10 months ago

Buck isn’t coming back… he wants a long-term contract and AA wants the picks.