Rasmus Denies Making Trade Request

8:20pm: Rasmus denied making a trade request earlier this season, according to B.J. Rains of FoxSportsMidwest.com.

"I never did that,” said Rasmus following today's game. "I don’t know where that’s coming from. I just want to play baseball and have fun…I love being here. I love the fans. I’m moving forward and just trying to play hard and I’m happy we won today."

Tony La Russa also addressed the topic in today's post-game press conference.  The manager insisted that he doesn't have an issue with Rasmus and that he will see significant playing time down the stretch.

2:04pm: Pujols had even more to say on the matter, writes Passan.

“If he doesn’t want to be here next year, we need to figure out a way to get him out of here and find somebody that wants to be here and play,” said the nine-time All-Star. “That’s a reality.

“That’ll show you right there a young player that doesn’t respect what he’s got,” Pujols added. “He needs to find out the talent and ability that he has and pretty much keep his mouth shut and play the game. Let the organization make those decisions, not himself.”

1:55pm: First baseman Albert Pujols has weighed in on the situation, according to Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports (via Twitter).

"We need to figure out a way to get him out of here," said the nine-time All-Star.

1:26pm: Cardinals skipper Tony La Russa confirmed that center fielder Colby Rasmus has requested a trade, writes Joe Strauss of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.  However, La Russa declined to delve much deeper into the matter with reporters.

"What do you want me to say? Ask Colby. Just ask Colby," said the manager. "He can handle it however he wants to handle it. He's capable of explaining himself and what he was thinking at the time."

Despite La Russa's suggestion, Rasmus would not confirm his trade request before taking the field against the Reds this afternoon.  He also declined to say whether he hoped to remain with the club next season.  La Russa seems to think that the center fielder has had a change of heart.

"I think he's thinking probably the grass is not greener other places and that this is a good situation, a great organization, teammates, everything. That's what I think. You can ask him," said La Russa, who also said that the outfielder made a similar request in his rookie season.

Rasmus came to GM John Mozeliak with his request during the Cards' July 23-25 series against the Cubs at Wrigley Field, according to a source familiar with the situation.  After the center fielder arrived late to the park, La Russa threatened to option him to Triple-A in a closed door meeting.  However, when talking to Rasmus, Mozeliak assured him that he would be staying put. 


255 Responses to Rasmus Denies Making Trade Request Leave a Reply

  1. Alex Garcia 5 years ago

    what the hell

    • Dave_Gershman 5 years ago

      Yeah really. Seriously, this is the last thing that the Cardinals need. They are having problems with the division already and now someone is requesting a trade? Come on Colby. you are what like 1 year removed from being a rookie and you are making demands? Seriously…

      If this is the case, Albert might as well relocate.

    • Dave_Gershman 5 years ago

      Yeah really. Seriously, this is the last thing that the Cardinals need. They are having problems with the division already and now someone is requesting a trade? Come on Colby. you are what like 1 year removed from being a rookie and you are making demands? Seriously…

      If this is the case, Albert might as well relocate.

  2. RedSox2219 5 years ago

    Hey, Boston…kick the tires on this one.

    • ELPinchy 5 years ago

      only if they find someone to also take drew.

      other than that,who would be fair value in trade?

      • Ellsbury + good prospects

        • ELPinchy 5 years ago

          +good prospects? who exactly and no not westmoorland or Kelly.

          Also I’m not sure that is fair value yes he does have tons more power but has a low average which might translate very poorly when coming to the AL East.

          • I don’t know if they would ever get fair value considering he wants out, and they might not want to sit with an unhappy guy. Rizzo, Britton, Pimentel, Kalish. Those are all good guys.

          • ELPinchy 5 years ago

            Kalish now appears to be in their plans so that one would have to be a no.

          • ELPinchy 5 years ago

            Kalish now appears to be in their plans so that one would have to be a no.

          • I don’t know if they would ever get fair value considering he wants out, and they might not want to sit with an unhappy guy. Rizzo, Britton, Pimentel, Kalish. Those are all good guys.

        • ELPinchy 5 years ago

          +good prospects? who exactly and no not westmoorland or Kelly.

          Also I’m not sure that is fair value yes he does have tons more power but has a low average which might translate very poorly when coming to the AL East.

        • hahahahhaa Jacoby Ellsbury wouldn’t even be fair value for Brett Gardner, let alone Colby Rasmus.

          • Indeed. I’m really not sure why this guy thinks Ellsbury is even worth 1/3 of Rasmus.

          • ELPinchy 5 years ago

            the reason is that rasmus is only hitting like .260 now,move him to the AL East and that will likely drop to about .250 or lower. So drop his average and then you have to assume he might hit less HRs too. See how his value drops

          • If I was running the Red Sox right now I would rather have Gardner. I don’t think Rasmus is going to be what everyone thinks he’s going to be. To me it seems like he will be a Mark Reynolds type player who has a few good years but then his average drops tremendously because he strikes out so much. With how much Rasmus has struck out he shouldn’t even have the average that he has. The Cards wouldn’t want Ellsbury anyways with their financial issues because he’s going to be getting a good raise. The Cards have to worry about Pujols first.

          • Ferrariman 5 years ago

            mark reynolds strikeout rate is no where close to Rasmus’ rate. reynolds strikes out almost 1/3 times…thats unworldly bad.

          • I know and understand that Reynolds strikes out a lot more. But the fact that Rasmus’ strikeout rate went from 20% last year to 32.7% this year can be a cause for concern. It may only go up but it may go back down, I don’t know. But IMO Gardner is more of a sure thing.

          • Ferrariman 5 years ago

            he maybe more of a sure thing, but il take talent and upside over a “sure thing” any day everyday.

          • Well the thing is is that Garnder is already really good and will only get better so he has really good upside as well. Gardner is already all-star caliber and Rasmus isn’t. Rasmus may be in the future but I honestly think he won’t be as good as everyone thinks.

          • Ferrariman 5 years ago

            why do you think gardner, already 27 years old and been in the league for 3 years, will get better but rasmus, a 23/24 year old, won’t? that doesn’t make any sense.

          • Ferrariman 5 years ago

            why do you think gardner, already 27 years old and been in the league for 3 years, will get better but rasmus, a 23/24 year old, won’t? that doesn’t make any sense.

          • Well the thing is is that Garnder is already really good and will only get better so he has really good upside as well. Gardner is already all-star caliber and Rasmus isn’t. Rasmus may be in the future but I honestly think he won’t be as good as everyone thinks.

          • Ferrariman 5 years ago

            he maybe more of a sure thing, but il take talent and upside over a “sure thing” any day everyday.

          • I know and understand that Reynolds strikes out a lot more. But the fact that Rasmus’ strikeout rate went from 20% last year to 32.7% this year can be a cause for concern. It may only go up but it may go back down, I don’t know. But IMO Gardner is more of a sure thing.

          • Ferrariman 5 years ago

            mark reynolds strikeout rate is no where close to Rasmus’ rate. reynolds strikes out almost 1/3 times…thats unworldly bad.

          • If I was running the Red Sox right now I would rather have Gardner. I don’t think Rasmus is going to be what everyone thinks he’s going to be. To me it seems like he will be a Mark Reynolds type player who has a few good years but then his average drops tremendously because he strikes out so much. With how much Rasmus has struck out he shouldn’t even have the average that he has. The Cards wouldn’t want Ellsbury anyways with their financial issues because he’s going to be getting a good raise. The Cards have to worry about Pujols first.

      • RedSox2219 5 years ago

        I’d keep J.D. if possible, he plays a great right field and only has one year left on his contract.

        • ELPinchy 5 years ago

          well they wont be resigning him,so i believe it is better to get some value for him now while they are in retooling mode.

          • RedSox2219 5 years ago

            Right now he’s a Type B and only 3 points shy of being a Type A so the value might be keeping him and offering arbitration?

          • Drew has said a couple times that he will most likely retire after the contract.

          • Drew has said a couple times that he will most likely retire after the contract.

          • RedSox2219 5 years ago

            Right now he’s a Type B and only 3 points shy of being a Type A so the value might be keeping him and offering arbitration?

        • ELPinchy 5 years ago

          well they wont be resigning him,so i believe it is better to get some value for him now while they are in retooling mode.

      • RedSox2219 5 years ago

        I’d keep J.D. if possible, he plays a great right field and only has one year left on his contract.

  3. alan09 5 years ago

    i think TLR should be traded not Rasmus!!!!

  4. diehardmets 5 years ago

    What exactly was Rasmus’s beef with TLR?

    • Pretty sure Rasmus uses his dad as his hitting coach, not McGuire. But also, TLR plays Jon Jay and Randy Winn over Rasmus regularly.

      • Ferrariman 5 years ago

        thats not it at all bro lol. Rasmus doesn’t want to be labeled as a “platoon” player and TLR has an infatuation using the “match-ups” which means Rasmus frequently gets platooned and loses playing time. He also manipulates his batting order far too much having him bat anywhere from 1-7, something else that can drive a player crazy.

      • Guest 5 years ago

        Rasmus’ dad said:
        “The first [thing Colby said] was that he really loved the way Mark McGwire was approaching helping him and that he thought Mark was going to be a big help for this team hitting wise. He said Mark wanted to learn his swing before making any adjustments rather than making wholesale changes like has been the usual pattern each spring. This was huge to Colby because he had really lost alot of faith in the hitting help he had received each year. Kudo’s to Mark.”

    • 5_tool_MiLB_fool 5 years ago

      the cardinals poor team chemistry is no joke. ive sat next their dugout at a game once and absolutely none of the players talk to each other. They go on minding their own businesses and it really seemed like everyone hated eachother. this was before colby rasmus existed too. This is definetely TLRs fault

  5. Marcum+Stewart+Jimenez get it done? AA likes to target out of favor players. Move Wells to LF. Snider in RF, Colby in CF. Love it.

    • Sniderlover 5 years ago

      I would TOTALLY do it!

      But what do you do with Bautista? permanent 3rd base?

    • Dave_Gershman 5 years ago

      The last thing the Jays should be doing is trading prospects…Although I will say that Marcum and Jimenez without Stewart might get it done and would be smart.

    • Dave_Gershman 5 years ago

      The last thing the Jays should be doing is trading prospects…Although I will say that Marcum and Jimenez without Stewart might get it done and would be smart.

    • Dave_Gershman 5 years ago

      The last thing the Jays should be doing is trading prospects…Although I will say that Marcum and Jimenez without Stewart might get it done and would be smart.

  6. mrsjohnmiltonrocks 5 years ago

    This is hysterical! Tony LaRussa, GM, club spokesperson. He really ought to STFU, pronto.

    San Diego, pick up the phone, please! Mozeliak has to move him, now go and fleece the Cardinals before someone else does!

  7. damnitsderek 5 years ago

    Well, this is interesting.

  8. If LaRussa walks, which I believe he will, I hope the White Sox at least kick the tires on him. Jerry Reinsdorf loves him, and with Ozzie and Kenny not getting along well, I think it would make sense to let Ozzie go to Florida, Atlanta, or LA and bring LaRussa back to the South Side.

    • You want Omar Visquel to play over Gordon Beckham? How about Cito Gaston – he’s gonna be available!

      • airohpue13 5 years ago

        Cito is retiring.

        • It was a joke. I know he’s retiring because I’ll be celebrating that day. Finally, Snider and JP Arencibia get to play.

        • It was a joke. I know he’s retiring because I’ll be celebrating that day. Finally, Snider and JP Arencibia get to play.

      • airohpue13 5 years ago

        Cito is retiring.

  9. start_wearing_purple 5 years ago

    Isn’t it a little narcissistic to request a trade when you haven’t even finished your sophomre season?

    • Yanks48 5 years ago

      but he wants more playing time. Hes doing solid too

    • MasterDave 5 years ago

      It might be, if you weren’t a guy who was hitting very well and getting platooned because your manager is a genius and you’re just a kid.

      You don’t make the $$ if you ride the pine 60 games a year. You get labeled as a platoon quality guy. I’d be mad too if i were labeled the next big deal in St. Louis and then got benched over Randy Frackin Winn.

  10. Ethanator99 5 years ago

    I think every team in baseball would like to add Rasmus. But I’d really love to see him get traded, then immediately get traded to the Reds.

  11. alan09 5 years ago

    the Cards are slumping badly & all management can do is point the finger??? maybe they should point the finger @ themselves not the players. If the cards don’t make the playoffs then…..John Mo, TLR, Dave Duncan, & the rest of the coaching staff should be fired!!!!

  12. Not sure if it’s in jest or not but Jeff Passan to Keith Law:
    “Second inning, Rasmus failed to move runner over to third with nobody out. He might not play the rest of the year. “

  13. lawrence267 5 years ago

    maybe the Royals can trade one of their promising pitchers

  14. Albert Pujols says of Colby Rasmus: “We need to figure a way to get him out of here.” Rest of the story should be up soon on Yahoo! Sports.

    WOW.

    • $1639238 5 years ago

      That would be a WOW if I in anyway believed that was true. Which, for the record, I don’t.

      • Excuse me? Read the QUOTES. You think Jeff Passan just made that up?

        • $1639238 5 years ago

          I posted that before I read the quotes, made assumption based on knowing nothing about you that you got them for a stupid source and made my post, thus making me a huge a-hole. Comment withdrawn.

    • mrsjohnmiltonrocks 5 years ago

      Nice, Albert! Way to throw your teammate under the bus!

      • airohpue13 5 years ago

        Didn’t rasmus throw his team under the bus first?

        • $1639238 5 years ago

          I don’t recall Colby making any negative public comments about the team. Ever.

        • $1639238 5 years ago

          I don’t recall Colby making any negative public comments about the team. Ever.

      • airohpue13 5 years ago

        Didn’t rasmus throw his team under the bus first?

  15. Ferrariman 5 years ago

    i wonder what sort of haul rasmus could bring…. gotta be something pretty huge for a cost controlled centerfielder who can OPS around .900 with good defense. those don’t grow on trees

  16. Cancel

  17. Yanks48 5 years ago

    What is Pujols thinking!? Besides Holliday and himself, Ramus is the only Card with over 10 home runs!

    • “He should pretty much keep his mouth shut and play the game.”

      Pujols says you’re gone, you’re gone!

    • Seeing as your a Yankee fan I see why you are missing the point. Pujols is not just looking at this from a stats standpoint. Colby Rasmus is not happy there at all. When you have a player in your clubhouse that doesn’t even want to play for you, it greatly affects the team.

      As a player I would want him gone for him to be happier and so my team can move on.

      • Yanks48 5 years ago

        Umm, lets see. Rasmus is not happy cause hes not seeing as much playing time. Hes getting bench when he is doing good. He is only 24 and his best years are still ahead of him. He will help with the future of the Cards. He got beef with TLR, not Pujols. And me being a yankee fan automatically makes you think im stupid?
        What kind of team leader does that? he should talk to Colby instead of saying gtfo

        • $1639238 5 years ago

          Agreed, lifelong Cardinal fan here who thinks rooting for the Yankees is sort of like rooting for the evil, rich supervillian in the movies, yet I still fully agree with your quote. Rasmus has a right to be pissed for being benched time and time again for Randy Winn. And that is pretty f-ing classless of Albert.

          • I disagree with wanting to get rid of Rasmus, but the guy asked to be traded, and I could totally uderstand why he would be mad. I don’t think its classless, but I do think it should be handled in private.

          • I disagree with wanting to get rid of Rasmus, but the guy asked to be traded, and I could totally uderstand why he would be mad. I don’t think its classless, but I do think it should be handled in private.

  18. Albert… You already lost Ryan Ludwick and you want to lose Rasmus? You may be MVP, but two great hitters surrounded by 6 replacement level ones is not a recipe for success.

    • As a Giants fan I can 100% say that you are correct. I’m just going to go weep in the corner now.

    • As a Giants fan I can 100% say that you are correct. I’m just going to go weep in the corner now.

  19. Lets Try this again, I really think it is time that Laloser should be fired
    Also It seems that Puljos is drinking the same Glen Beck Poison wine as LaLoser is
    I think we are going to be seeing the rapid decline of Puljos coming in the next 2 years,

    • RBomb2844 5 years ago

      Tony LaRussa is one of the greatest managers of all time. If a rookie, after being handed the center field starting role at such a young age, came and asked for a trade I would be mad too. Colby should just shut up and be lucky he is in the position he is in. Do you know how many other guys on other clubs don’t even have the opportunity he has? It is part of the game. Maybe you should lay off the kool-aid.

  20. alan09 5 years ago

    maybe he is talking about getting TLR out here??? personally i wouldn’t trade Rasmus no matter what i was offered!!

    • Yes.. I’m sure when he says that a young player should shut his mouth, he’s talking about TLR. Um?

    • I hate the untouchable label. No one is untouchable. I mean if the Red Sox offered you Pedroia, Lester, and Buchholz for Rasmus you wouldn’t do it? Or if the Yankees offered Sabathia, Cano, and Teixeira? I know those are outrageous trades and the Sox and Yanks would never do it but when people say I wouldn’t trade this player for anything it’s kinda ridiculous.

  21. Ferrariman 5 years ago

    jennings+matt moore for rasmus to tampa? Joe Maddon loves working with young talented kids.

  22. videosavant 5 years ago

    I see a lot of JD Drew in Colby Rasmus. There’s an eerie lack of emotion that often comes off as disengagement. Like Drew, he seems fragile physically but he’s even more fragile mentally (thin-skinned) than JD. Rasmus is not a particularly good centerfielder, with above-average range undermined by routinely poor breaks. Horrible arm, in terms of accuracy or hitting the cutoff man. Has good speed, but doesn’t run the bases particularly well.

    I do think he will be a better than decent hitter, but I’d be very surprised if his career numbers end up much better than Drew, who few would describe as “great.”

    I wish the Cards had moved him at the deadline before all this became public, but the timing really worked against that sort of move, particularly as it would end up leaving the middle of the order too right-handed. But then, Rasmus missed 15 games anyway.

    • Rasmus had a 10.2 UZR last year.. certainly not a bad defender.

    • $1639238 5 years ago

      Oh no. Don’t let me be J.D. Drew! How could we ever deal with a player with a 46.6 career WAR, .887 career OPS? If he were a healthier version of J.D. Drew, I would be pleased as punch.

  23. Which just adds to my reason for not liking Tony La Russa and the way he manages. Colby is a very talented player and I’m sure he is a great guy, but of course TLR has to f*ck with him and now they are in this mess. Anyone who plays Randy Winn over Rasmus has something wrong with them, I think TLR needs to be optioned to Triple-A. Alex Anthopoulous, Mike Rizzo, Theo Epstein, and Frank Wren should be all over this

  24. Sniderlover 5 years ago

    What would it take for the Jays to get him? Would love to have him here.

    • Like I said above.. Marcum, Stewart, Jimenez? Hate to trade Cecil…

      • Sniderlover 5 years ago

        Just wanted to ask some Cards fans to see what they would want.

        BTW I also posted that I’d do that trade. Would hate to trade Jimenez but we’ve got some other solid catching prospects.

        Would any Cards fans be down with that?

      • Ferrariman 5 years ago

        would you replace Marcum and stewart with Romero? lol. i don’t think they would want 2 pitchers though. aaron hill and Shaun Marcum and Jimenez+cash could get it done though

        • You still want Romero with his contract (5/30) in place now? I figured Romero’s value has lowered with the signing (which I actually like if he continues at a 4 WAR pace). I’m willing to do Hill+Marcum straight up for Rasmus; I think Hill had his career year.

          • Ferrariman 5 years ago

            i definitely still want Romero. the contract doesn’t bother me at all TBH. if anything, getting him locked up for 1 more year until he reaches free agency just increased his value in my eyes. i would do Romero+b- prospect straight up for rasmus but i don’t think the cardinals would as they would want an MLB ready bat or a MLB bat already performing.

          • Sniderlover 5 years ago

            I’ll pass on even Romero for Rasmus straight up.

            There is a reason why he’s been locked up, it’s because AA likes him and views him as a big part of our core.

          • Sniderlover 5 years ago

            I’ll pass on even Romero for Rasmus straight up.

            There is a reason why he’s been locked up, it’s because AA likes him and views him as a big part of our core.

          • Sniderlover 5 years ago

            I’ll pass on even Romero for Rasmus straight up.

            There is a reason why he’s been locked up, it’s because AA likes him and views him as a big part of our core.

          • Sniderlover 5 years ago

            Why would Romero’s value lower with the signing? He got market with the likes of what Lester got when he put up similar numbers. It’s bought an extra of FA which is great and unless he regresses BIG TIME then the contract is pretty good and it actually brings up his value. He’s got a club option at 13 million which if he continues to pitch like this would get picked up.

            BTW, I wouldn’t give up on Hill just yet.

          • Sniderlover 5 years ago

            Why would Romero’s value lower with the signing? He got market with the likes of what Lester got when he put up similar numbers. It’s bought an extra of FA which is great and unless he regresses BIG TIME then the contract is pretty good and it actually brings up his value. He’s got a club option at 13 million which if he continues to pitch like this would get picked up.

            BTW, I wouldn’t give up on Hill just yet.

          • Sniderlover 5 years ago

            Why would Romero’s value lower with the signing? He got market with the likes of what Lester got when he put up similar numbers. It’s bought an extra of FA which is great and unless he regresses BIG TIME then the contract is pretty good and it actually brings up his value. He’s got a club option at 13 million which if he continues to pitch like this would get picked up.

            BTW, I wouldn’t give up on Hill just yet.

        • You still want Romero with his contract (5/30) in place now? I figured Romero’s value has lowered with the signing (which I actually like if he continues at a 4 WAR pace). I’m willing to do Hill+Marcum straight up for Rasmus; I think Hill had his career year.

        • Sniderlover 5 years ago

          Romero? Are you insane? The kid has been a stud for us in his 2nd year and has become a #2 starter with the potential to become a semi-ace. Not to mention he is locked up which has bought his extra FA year (it’s a friendly contract) and there is a 13 mil club option which if he continues to perform this well, would get picked up.

          Marcum + Hill + Jimenez + cash? I’m sorry but what has Rasmus proven so far? He’s got great potential and I realize Hill is having a down year but that is an overpayment IMO. Marcum is a solid #2/#3 starter and to be honest, I wouldn’t like to deal him just yet (unless something reasonable comes by) because he brings tremendous leadership or our young pitchers and he is just a solid pitcher. As for Hill, he has been hurt by luck big time so it’s likely be bounces back. But despite his average being a mediocre .214, he has 22 homers which is a good sign.

        • Sniderlover 5 years ago

          Romero? Are you insane? The kid has been a stud for us in his 2nd year and has become a #2 starter with the potential to become a semi-ace. Not to mention he is locked up which has bought his extra FA year (it’s a friendly contract) and there is a 13 mil club option which if he continues to perform this well, would get picked up.

          Marcum + Hill + Jimenez + cash? I’m sorry but what has Rasmus proven so far? He’s got great potential and I realize Hill is having a down year but that is an overpayment IMO. Marcum is a solid #2/#3 starter and to be honest, I wouldn’t like to deal him just yet (unless something reasonable comes by) because he brings tremendous leadership or our young pitchers and he is just a solid pitcher. As for Hill, he has been hurt by luck big time so it’s likely be bounces back. But despite his average being a mediocre .214, he has 22 homers which is a good sign.

        • Sniderlover 5 years ago

          Romero? Are you insane? The kid has been a stud for us in his 2nd year and has become a #2 starter with the potential to become a semi-ace. Not to mention he is locked up which has bought his extra FA year (it’s a friendly contract) and there is a 13 mil club option which if he continues to perform this well, would get picked up.

          Marcum + Hill + Jimenez + cash? I’m sorry but what has Rasmus proven so far? He’s got great potential and I realize Hill is having a down year but that is an overpayment IMO. Marcum is a solid #2/#3 starter and to be honest, I wouldn’t like to deal him just yet (unless something reasonable comes by) because he brings tremendous leadership or our young pitchers and he is just a solid pitcher. As for Hill, he has been hurt by luck big time so it’s likely be bounces back. But despite his average being a mediocre .214, he has 22 homers which is a good sign.

      • Ferrariman 5 years ago

        would you replace Marcum and stewart with Romero? lol. i don’t think they would want 2 pitchers though. aaron hill and Shaun Marcum and Jimenez+cash could get it done though

  25. Guest 5 years ago

    go Pujols!

  26. Wonder what the Braves would give up assuming people like Mike Minor are untouchable…

  27. RedSox2219 5 years ago

    I’ll give you Bowden, Reddick, and Mike Cameron for Rasmus lol

    • I’d give Ellsbury, Pimentel, and another guy if needed. It may sound like a lot, but Rasmus is one of my favorites.

      • I wouldn’t do that deal if I was the Cards..

        • Ellsbury and Reymond Fuentes for Rasmus?

          • That’s the same player. Why would they want two of the same guy?

          • RedSox2219 5 years ago

            I think Ellsbury for Rasmus straight up might get the ball rolling. Throw in a B or C prospect and that would get it done. But, what do I know, I only manage a fantasy baseball team.

          • Ellsbury is what 3 years older? Plus Rasmus WAR this year alone is worth more than Ellsbury’s last 2 years.

          • Ha ha, me too. I think because he wants out, they might not get full value. Plus, I heard (don’t know if it’s true) that TLR is playing Jay or Winn over him or platooning him. So they have a PO’d guy that might not be playing that much. I don’t know what they should expect to get from that. He is a heck of a player, though.

          • Ferrariman 5 years ago

            i gurantee that ellsbury+a b prospect won’t be enough. Ellz has lost a lot of value this season, and atleast 15 teams would be interested on rasmus making trade proposals trying to outbid eachother making the value for him that much higher.

          • Yeah, that’s interesting. He may have lost value because his situation, but may have gained value because more teams could be in on it.

          • That doesn’t make any sense.

          • If he was in the same situation and was expensive and wanted out at the deadline, fewer teams would be in on it. I think he’s pretty cheap, and they can trade him in the winter, so more teams might be in on it.

          • That doesn’t make any sense.

          • Yeah, that’s interesting. He may have lost value because his situation, but may have gained value because more teams could be in on it.

          • Ferrariman 5 years ago

            i gurantee that ellsbury+a b prospect won’t be enough. Ellz has lost a lot of value this season, and atleast 15 teams would be interested on rasmus making trade proposals trying to outbid eachother making the value for him that much higher.

          • Ha ha, me too. I think because he wants out, they might not get full value. Plus, I heard (don’t know if it’s true) that TLR is playing Jay or Winn over him or platooning him. So they have a PO’d guy that might not be playing that much. I don’t know what they should expect to get from that. He is a heck of a player, though.

          • That’s the same player. Why would they want two of the same guy?

    • I’d give Ellsbury, Pimentel, and another guy if needed. It may sound like a lot, but Rasmus is one of my favorites.

  28. This would be good for the braves if Nate Mclouth never returns to his old self. He has hit over 15 homers his last two years, he is young, he is cheap, and provides good defense and the braves could get it done with Melky Cabrera and low level prospect.

    • “Melky Cabrera and low level prospect. ”

      Man, how could the Cards say no to that? Throw in McClouth and they’ll give you Pujols too.
      Welcome to Fantasyland. Population: You. All Melky Cabrera gets you is a bag of balls that Colby has played with.

    • “Melky Cabrera and low level prospect. ”

      Man, how could the Cards say no to that? Throw in McClouth and they’ll give you Pujols too.
      Welcome to Fantasyland. Population: You. All Melky Cabrera gets you is a bag of balls that Colby has played with.

    • logicx24 5 years ago

      You know, there’s a reason your name’s Mclaughlin.

    • logicx24 5 years ago

      You know, there’s a reason your name’s Mclaughlin.

    • logicx24 5 years ago

      You know, there’s a reason your name’s Mclaughlin.

  29. alan09 5 years ago

    just seen on yahoo if Rasmus leaves Pujols will leave also???? did anyone else see it?

    • What? How exactly can Rasmus leave? And Pujols is saying that Rasmus SHOULD be traded; not that Albert himself wants to leave. What are you reading?

    • What? How exactly can Rasmus leave? And Pujols is saying that Rasmus SHOULD be traded; not that Albert himself wants to leave. What are you reading?

  30. stl_cards16 5 years ago

    Albert is the leader of this team, he puts as much work into the game as anyone in baseball. Basically he is saying if your not “all in” or don’t want to be a part of the Cardinal tradition then get out. To me there is nothing wrong with that coming from Albert. I don’t want to lose Rasmus and I believe this will all pass by and I expect Albert and Colby to work it out. Honestly in my biased opinion, this kinda looks good for Albert staying long term. Letting it be known this is his team. But TLR needs to go, he has wore out his welcome.

  31. stl_cards16 5 years ago

    Albert is the leader of this team, he puts as much work into the game as anyone in baseball. Basically he is saying if your not “all in” or don’t want to be a part of the Cardinal tradition then get out. To me there is nothing wrong with that coming from Albert. I don’t want to lose Rasmus and I believe this will all pass by and I expect Albert and Colby to work it out. Honestly in my biased opinion, this kinda looks good for Albert staying long term. Letting it be known this is his team. But TLR needs to go, he has wore out his welcome.

  32. What I find amusing is TLR threatening to option Rasmus to AAA, as if he has the authority to do that.

  33. I think Glenn Beck convinced Tony La Russa that Rasmus is an Islamic extremist.

  34. Albert Pujols just made this situation 1000 times worse for the Cardinals. How about Pujols shuts up and plays the game? Rasmus hasn’t commented publically about the situation at all and if anything, was doing damage control to the media by saying his relationship with LaRussa was fine. Boneheaded move by Pujols sticking his nose where it doesn’t belong.

    • David X 5 years ago

      Boneheaded move by Pujols? The guy went to a Glenn Beck rally. What else would you expect?

  35. Albert Pujols just made this situation 1000 times worse for the Cardinals. How about Pujols shuts up and plays the game? Rasmus hasn’t commented publically about the situation at all and if anything, was doing damage control to the media by saying his relationship with LaRussa was fine. Boneheaded move by Pujols sticking his nose where it doesn’t belong.

  36. HerbertAnchovy 5 years ago

    Didn’t Pujols say last year after The Cardinals got swept by The Dodgers in the post-season that he wasn’t sure if he wanted to re-sign with them? Pretty harsh words by Albert.

    • stl_cards16 5 years ago

      He has never spoken much about it. He has always said that he wants to be a Cardinal for life, but then he always leaves the door just a little open by saying that he wants to win more than anything. He has said this year that he is open to negotiations after this season but he does not want it going on during the season.

    • stl_cards16 5 years ago

      He has never spoken much about it. He has always said that he wants to be a Cardinal for life, but then he always leaves the door just a little open by saying that he wants to win more than anything. He has said this year that he is open to negotiations after this season but he does not want it going on during the season.

  37. HerbertAnchovy 5 years ago

    Didn’t Pujols say last year after The Cardinals got swept by The Dodgers in the post-season that he wasn’t sure if he wanted to re-sign with them? Pretty harsh words by Albert.

  38. Flharfh 5 years ago

    Way to jerk around one of your Franchise’s most valuable young players. Rasmus is the Alex Gordon of the NL.

    • Koby2 5 years ago

      Except Rasmus has shown he can hit major league pitching consistently and play decent defense at his position. Gordon has not.

    • Koby2 5 years ago

      Except Rasmus has shown he can hit major league pitching consistently and play decent defense at his position. Gordon has not.

  39. O971 5 years ago

    Schafer, Jurjens/Minor, Devall/Bethancourt/Spruill for Rasmus?

  40. O971 5 years ago

    Schafer, Jurjens/Minor, Devall/Bethancourt/Spruill for Rasmus?

  41. Guest 5 years ago

    This won’t happen. Mozeliak is probably cursing LaRussa right now for his idiocy. I bet in the offseason, LaRussa decides to retire, Mo smoothes things over w/ Rasmus (and Pujols), Pujols signs for 10 yrs 230 mil, and this will all be forgotten by next March. I’ve always thought Tony LaRussa was way overrated as a baseball man, and this does nothing to discourage that claim. Any idiot with half a brain realizes that young Colby Rasmus is more valuable in CF than an old Randy Winn

    • mrsjohnmiltonrocks 5 years ago

      I think you’re wrong here. Mozeliak is not good GM. He won’t smooth anything over. LaRussa always has, and always will say or do whatever he wants, be damned the cost. And the owner will give LaRussa another one year contract. That’s the way it always plays out.

      • Ferrariman 5 years ago

        what has mozeliak done that has been exactly so bad? he can’t controll the injuries this team has had or how strong the minor league depth is. he’s done some good moves like keeping holliday, extending wainwright and molina, getting freese for basically nothing, and some bad moves as well. he has done an OK job.

        • $1529282 5 years ago

          Keeping Holliday at that price wasn’t a good move. Nor was the Lohse extension, trading Perez and Todd for DeRosa, or Worrell and Gregerson for Khalil Greene.

          Every GM’s made some good and some bad moves, but Mozeliak has made his fair share of bad ones recently.

          • Ferrariman 5 years ago

            yeah because we could really predict that Khalil Greene would have career ending mental issues or that DeRosa would get injured in the first week wearing a cardinal uniform. both of those trades looked great when they were made, and went south because of injures. something i have already stated is unpredictable.

          • Ferrariman 5 years ago

            yeah because we could really predict that Khalil Greene would have career ending mental issues or that DeRosa would get injured in the first week wearing a cardinal uniform. both of those trades looked great when they were made, and went south because of injures. something i have already stated is unpredictable.

          • Ferrariman 5 years ago

            yeah because we could really predict that Khalil Greene would have career ending mental issues or that DeRosa would get injured in the first week wearing a cardinal uniform. both of those trades looked great when they were made, and went south because of injures. something i have already stated is unpredictable.

      • Ferrariman 5 years ago

        what has mozeliak done that has been exactly so bad? he can’t controll the injuries this team has had or how strong the minor league depth is. he’s done some good moves like keeping holliday, extending wainwright and molina, getting freese for basically nothing, and some bad moves as well. he has done an OK job.

    • mrsjohnmiltonrocks 5 years ago

      I think you’re wrong here. Mozeliak is not good GM. He won’t smooth anything over. LaRussa always has, and always will say or do whatever he wants, be damned the cost. And the owner will give LaRussa another one year contract. That’s the way it always plays out.

    • mrsjohnmiltonrocks 5 years ago

      I think you’re wrong here. Mozeliak is not good GM. He won’t smooth anything over. LaRussa always has, and always will say or do whatever he wants, be damned the cost. And the owner will give LaRussa another one year contract. That’s the way it always plays out.

  42. windycitywarrior 5 years ago

    Possibilities Cubs— Soriano+3/4 of his contract for Rasmus— Holliday to right Jay in Center Soriano in left
    Mets— Angel Pagan+Reuben Tejada for Rasmus
    Astros— Wandy Rodriguez+ B prospect
    Indians— Grady Sizemore for Rasmus+Freese+ Allen Craig

    • Ferrariman 5 years ago

      woah what? they would never trade rasmus to the cubs or astros, besides those trades don’t work at all. Rasmus is playing better than sorryano and is a lot cheaper. Rodriguez+ a b prospect isn’t close either because rodriguez is a free agent after next season. Sizemore has played like 30 games this season and for all intensive purposes, has lost all trade value.

      • Plus the Astros have a log jam in the outfield and wouldnt give up someone like Wandy. But besides that, the Cardinals wouldnt trade him for another good pitcher, then all they would be doing is losing 1-0 4 of 5 games instead of 3 of 5

      • Plus the Astros have a log jam in the outfield and wouldnt give up someone like Wandy. But besides that, the Cardinals wouldnt trade him for another good pitcher, then all they would be doing is losing 1-0 4 of 5 games instead of 3 of 5

      • HerbertAnchovy 5 years ago

        Nice, I like “Sorryano”! Never heard that.

      • HerbertAnchovy 5 years ago

        Nice, I like “Sorryano”! Never heard that.

      • HerbertAnchovy 5 years ago

        Nice, I like “Sorryano”! Never heard that.

      • jb226 5 years ago

        As opposed to “non-intensive purposes?” They’re purposes, but just sort of loafing through life getting drunk?

        The phrase is “intents and purposes.”

        Sorry, one of my grammar pet peeves. (Another is “could care less.” If you could care less, why don’t you?)

      • jb226 5 years ago

        As opposed to “non-intensive purposes?” They’re purposes, but just sort of loafing through life getting drunk?

        The phrase is “intents and purposes.”

        Sorry, one of my grammar pet peeves. (Another is “could care less.” If you could care less, why don’t you?)

    • This is insane, the Cards will not do any of these deals. The G-size one is hysterical they wouldn’t give just Rasmus for Grady, silliest comment I have seen in a while.

    • $1529282 5 years ago

      This is one of those joke posts to make everyone overreact, and then you sit and chuckle to yourself… right? I can only hope…

    • $1529282 5 years ago

      This is one of those joke posts to make everyone overreact, and then you sit and chuckle to yourself… right? I can only hope…

  43. TeamCropDusters 5 years ago

    Cry Colby. You are playing in the best baseball city in the world. (Not a Card’s fan either).

    The reality of the real world is if that you aren’t accountable for the situation you put yourself, and your team in, you don’t deserve to be playing MLB.

    Either let your talent rot in AAA, or grow up. Seriously. You are talented, but not irrreplaceable.

    • Guest 5 years ago

      What position did he put himself in?

    • So, so wrong. Reality is, LaRussa needs to grow up, and realize that Rasmus is one of the best players on his team, and that he shouldn’t benched for guys like Randy Winn.

  44. TeamCropDusters 5 years ago

    Cry Colby. You are playing in the best baseball city in the world. (Not a Card’s fan either).

    The reality of the real world is if that you aren’t accountable for the situation you put yourself, and your team in, you don’t deserve to be playing MLB.

    Either let your talent rot in AAA, or grow up. Seriously. You are talented, but not irrreplaceable.

  45. DykstraInvestments 5 years ago

    If TLR is out, and Duncan is out. And Oquendo takes over, and Marty Mason takes over. Who coaches third and who goes to the bullpen? Larry Walker and Cal Eldred? John Mabry and a Benes? It might be a blessing to see Lou, Cox and LaRussa all go out at the same time…

  46. Plot thickens, can’t believe MLBTR doesn’t have this yet.

    Colby Rasmus – OF – STL

    Colby Rasmus denied Sunday that he requested a trade earlier this season.
    The plot thickens. The St. Louis Post-Dispatch’s Joe Strauss reported early on Sunday that Rasmus requested a trade due to his frustrations with manager Tony La Russa. La Russa then confirmed that Rasmus not only asked for a trade this season, be added that the outfielder asked to be traded during his rookie season as well. When asked if he liked being in St. Louis, Rasmus said: “I’d rather not answer that if I don’t have to.” It’s looking like this is a broken relationship and it would be mildly surprising if both Rasmus or La Russa were back in St. Louis next season. La Russa would seem the far more likely bet to go. Sep. 5 – 7:54 pm et
    Source: FOX Sports Midwest

  47. $4555515 5 years ago

    lol pujols would ask for a trade too if he was benched in favor of another rookie wat a hypocrit

  48. InTheKZone 5 years ago

    Rasmus has a serious claim although this should have never leaked out. I’d be ticked off if I was him. As much as I have been a supporter of LaRussa in the past, Tony needs to be released. He has no relations whatsoever with anyone that is not a proven veteran in his mind. Rasmus should start every game that he is physically able. However, a combo of Stavinoha, Winn, and Jay will start. Jay is the hot hand right now so he should start in right. As far as Pujols goes, Albert needs to shut the heck up too. Don’t make matters worse than they already are.

  49. Wow. So now it turns out this is all BS and Rasmus never made any trade request.

    • jb226 5 years ago

      Honestly, I doubt it. It’s hard to accidentally think that somebody requested a trade–twice.

      Unless you’re claiming that LaRussa and probably Moz both just made it up out of thin air for some reason, the more likely scenario is that it’s true and Rasmus denies it because he doesn’t want it to turn into a major issue in the press (which it already has), believing it is something that should have stayed behind closed doors.

      And for what it’s worth, he was right. That sort of thing is between the team’s front office (and manager) and the player. If you actually pull the trigger and get rid of him, fine, mention that you did it because the player twice asked you to get him out of town. Until then, you don’t need to tell the press. Look what happens when you do. Not only is it a press feeding frenzy but it destroys whatever may have been left of team chemistry and is something that is likely to drive at LEAST one of LaRussa, Moz, Rasmus and Pujols out of town in the near future. LaRussa is the most obvious choice (since he’s the only one whose contract is up and he may want to retire even if the Cards had asked him back), but not necessarily the only one.

    • jb226 5 years ago

      Honestly, I doubt it. It’s hard to accidentally think that somebody requested a trade–twice.

      Unless you’re claiming that LaRussa and probably Moz both just made it up out of thin air for some reason, the more likely scenario is that it’s true and Rasmus denies it because he doesn’t want it to turn into a major issue in the press (which it already has), believing it is something that should have stayed behind closed doors.

      And for what it’s worth, he was right. That sort of thing is between the team’s front office (and manager) and the player. If you actually pull the trigger and get rid of him, fine, mention that you did it because the player twice asked you to get him out of town. Until then, you don’t need to tell the press. Look what happens when you do. Not only is it a press feeding frenzy but it destroys whatever may have been left of team chemistry and is something that is likely to drive at LEAST one of LaRussa, Moz, Rasmus and Pujols out of town in the near future. LaRussa is the most obvious choice (since he’s the only one whose contract is up and he may want to retire even if the Cards had asked him back), but not necessarily the only one.

  50. Wow. So now it turns out this is all BS and Rasmus never made any trade request.

  51. Wow. So now it turns out this is all BS and Rasmus never made any trade request.

  52. start_wearing_purple 5 years ago

    Manny Ramirez, meet Colby Rasmus… he’ll be playing your part in this winter’s production of overly dramatic player problems.

  53. start_wearing_purple 5 years ago

    Manny Ramirez, meet Colby Rasmus… he’ll be playing your part in this winter’s production of overly dramatic player problems.

  54. $1529282 5 years ago

    Whether or not Rasmus made the request, he can’t be happy with how this has played out, and he can’t be happy with the way La Russa handled it or the things Pujols said. It wouldn’t be a shock to see him traded, and what team wouldn’t love to have him?

    La Russa seems to like no-hit, scrappy, versatile middle infielders that he can miscast as starters around the diamond. We’ll give you Alexi Casilla AND Matt Tolbert. Heck, we’ll pick up Nick Punto’s option, pay for it, and send him your way as well. Perfect!

    • The Twins seem to like their no-hit, scrappy middle infielders but they would take Colby in a heartbeat, so maybe they wouln’t have to worry about Michael Cuddyer in the offseason.

      • $1529282 5 years ago

        Ron Gardenhire is sadly the only manager who rivals La Russa’s love of the scrappy no-hit guys. :( Hence having three to offer.

        I’m sure most teams would take Rasmus in a heartbeat, but I don’t know that the Twins have what they’d want anyway. Smith won’t trade Gibson or Hicks most likely, which pretty much makes a package impossible right there.

      • $1529282 5 years ago

        Ron Gardenhire is sadly the only manager who rivals La Russa’s love of the scrappy no-hit guys. :( Hence having three to offer.

        I’m sure most teams would take Rasmus in a heartbeat, but I don’t know that the Twins have what they’d want anyway. Smith won’t trade Gibson or Hicks most likely, which pretty much makes a package impossible right there.

      • $1529282 5 years ago

        Ron Gardenhire is sadly the only manager who rivals La Russa’s love of the scrappy no-hit guys. :( Hence having three to offer.

        I’m sure most teams would take Rasmus in a heartbeat, but I don’t know that the Twins have what they’d want anyway. Smith won’t trade Gibson or Hicks most likely, which pretty much makes a package impossible right there.

    • The Twins seem to like their no-hit, scrappy middle infielders but they would take Colby in a heartbeat, so maybe they wouln’t have to worry about Michael Cuddyer in the offseason.

  55. $1529282 5 years ago

    Whether or not Rasmus made the request, he can’t be happy with how this has played out, and he can’t be happy with the way La Russa handled it or the things Pujols said. It wouldn’t be a shock to see him traded, and what team wouldn’t love to have him?

    La Russa seems to like no-hit, scrappy, versatile middle infielders that he can miscast as starters around the diamond. We’ll give you Alexi Casilla AND Matt Tolbert. Heck, we’ll pick up Nick Punto’s option, pay for it, and send him your way as well. Perfect!

  56. $1529282 5 years ago

    Whether or not Rasmus made the request, he can’t be happy with how this has played out, and he can’t be happy with the way La Russa handled it or the things Pujols said. It wouldn’t be a shock to see him traded, and what team wouldn’t love to have him?

    La Russa seems to like no-hit, scrappy, versatile middle infielders that he can miscast as starters around the diamond. We’ll give you Alexi Casilla AND Matt Tolbert. Heck, we’ll pick up Nick Punto’s option, pay for it, and send him your way as well. Perfect!

  57. CaseyBlakeDeWitt 5 years ago

    Kemp for Rasmus + prospects

  58. CaseyBlakeDeWitt 5 years ago

    Kemp for Rasmus + prospects

  59. CaseyBlakeDeWitt 5 years ago

    Kemp for Rasmus + prospects

  60. roberty 5 years ago

    How about Atlanta sends Rick Ankiel over to St. Louis with some cash for Rasmus?

  61. roberty 5 years ago

    How about Atlanta sends Rick Ankiel over to St. Louis with some cash for Rasmus?

  62. roberty 5 years ago

    How about Atlanta sends Rick Ankiel over to St. Louis with some cash for Rasmus?

  63. hawkny1 5 years ago

    The cardinals manager, Tony LaRussa and 1B Albert Poulos seem to be big fans of that TV wingnut, Glen Beck. Perhaps that plays on Rasmus’s mind when he comes to the ball park, especially if those two guys talk politics in the club house or in the dugout. Reminds me of the situation with the Red Sox, and Curt Shilling, who was a big fan of George W. Bush (and, probably, Glen Beck), whom he even campaigned for. That didn’t go over well in Boston’s front office and locker room. MLB players and coaches who use their stature in sports to advocate for politicans (or political pundits) should be penalized by the Commissioner’s office. Likewise, MLB should have rules against such behavior, especially during the playing season.

    • The Cards organization has always been very right wing. When Eckstein was here he put out commercials calling stem cell research cloning even though it isn’t. There’s been a few instances of stuff like that around here, unfortunately. And in St. Louis in general. Kurt Warner tried making players join Bible study, which eventually led to the fall out and him leaving.

      • hawkny1 5 years ago

        Hmmmmmmmm.
        LaRussa is supposed to be a smart guy.  Holds an LLB (although I don’t know if he ever passed the bar exam).   Poulos? Well, lottsa Latinos are very conservative, so thats not really a surprise.
        I find this all very interesting.  Since I was a kid (now, this goes back a few, to Musial, Walker, Schoendist, etc..) I always considered the Cards to be an “All-American” team, the good guys, as it were….

    • David X 5 years ago

      LaRussa and Pujols went to that Beck rally, which establishes that they probably have an unimaginative, authoritarian, my-way-or-the-highway mindset. Do as I say (and sit quietly on the bench like I asked you to), not as I do (get arrested for DUI). It’s easier than trying to examine your own baggage and difficulties in relating to someone as talented as Rasmus.

      • hawkny1 5 years ago

        Good, young center fielders who can hit and hit with power are sometimes hard to find…

  64. gocrazy 5 years ago

    When I originally read this story my computer crashed.

    I didn’t blame it.

  65. cardinalcorner 5 years ago

    I used to own and operate the Colby Rasmus website. As a result, I have had unique access to the situation. It is really fairly simple: COlby’s dad, Tony, has coached Colby all his life. Tony is a very good baseball man but, despite public statements to the contrary, has never learned to let go and stay out of Colby’s baseball life. Tony has a hard time not micro-managing Coolby still. Consequently, Colby remains highly dependent upon his dad’s input to the point that he cannot receive anything resembling criticism. Combining that fact with TLR’s intense managing style and you have a recipe for chronic discontentment. Time to get value for Colby while they can “Sell high”.

  66. Colby is in his 2nd major league season. He has bad routes in the outfield. His arm is strong but with poor control. He has very good speed and needs it. He pulls everything he hits. He strikes out 25 plus percent of the time. He has no idea how to play an offensive team game. He does not move runners along on the bases. He will not take the extra base (I have yet to see him go 1st to 3rd on a single). He goes to the plate with only one thing on his mind, how can he make his self look better.
    Everybody seems to blame TLR for Rasmus and his mouth. I for one think it is Rasmus and his dad’s fault. For all of the talent Rasmus has, his negative traits offset them. He does none of the little things that makes a good player, Great. Actually he does the little things that make a great player, a bad team mate. He’s sullen, whiney, and tends to get lost on the field during the game. He has no concept of team (his dad taught him well). And he’s playing for the one team that will not allow that crap (the team that has TLR as manager).
    Day in and day out, Pujols does the little things that the team needs. He does them when he’s hurt, when he doesn’t have the natural born speed that Rasmus does, and he does them every game without exception. He nevers takes a day off. Rasmus can’t play a whole game without taking time off.
    So if TLR and Pujols say it is time for Rasmus to go, it’s time for him to go. For any potential teams that are interested in him, good luck.

  67. cardinalcorner 5 years ago

    I used to own and operate the Colby Rasmus website. As a result, I have had unique access to the situation. It is really fairly simple: Colby’s dad, Tony, has coached Colby all his life prior to the minors. Tony is a very good baseball man but, despite public statements to the contrary, has never learned to let go and stay out of Colby’s baseball life. Tony has a hard time not micro-managing Colby’s baseball life. He tries to stay out of it but, in essence, he has conditioned Colby to turn to him whenever there’s an issue or he struggles. Consequently, Colby remains highly dependent upon his dad’s input to the point that he cannot receive anything resembling criticism from anyone else. Combining that fact with TLR’s intense managing style and you have a recipe for chronic discontentment. Time to get value for Colby while they can “Sell high”.

  68. cardinalcorner 5 years ago

    I realize there are over a dozen of comments on this topic but I felt what follows should not be confined to a single thread. I believe it will provide insight into the Colby situation that writers are not fully bringing out and I think the fans should know the situation better than they do.

    I have been one of Colby’s biggest denders for a long time but this has gone on long enough. Even though I am not a huge TLR fan, I think he and Albert are getting raked where the Rasmus’ are ultimately responsible for “stirring” the pot. Colby & Co. are behaving WAY too big for their shoes and both TLR and Pujols are dead right in putting them in their place. Let me explain.

    I owned and operate the Colby Rasmus website for four years. As a result, I have had unique access to the Rasmus’ and the situation. I interviewed THEM (plural) a number of times. I was suppposed to be interviewing Colby but every time, I ended up interviewing both of them. Each time, Colby’s dad added his two cents to virtually every question, i.e., how Colby should answer every question. In most cases, what his dad had to say was good stuff but the point is, his dad never seemed comfortable letting Colby “take the wheel”.

    His dad always had to be micromanaging some aspect of Colby’s life … how Colby answered an interview question, how he batted, how much he should try to steal, etc. He has never seemed comfortable with letting Colby learn to be his own man and think for himself. As a result, he’s never learned to.

    Tony Rasmus has coached Colby all his life in the broadest sense of the word. From the time Colby could walk, dad was grooming him to become a major leager. Tony Rasmus is a very good baseball man, and he truly means well, but he has always overcoached Colby, not only in baseball, but many other areas of his life. He is unwhittingly overbearing and has never learned to let go and stay out of Colby’s baseball life.

    Tony has a hard time not micro-managing Colby even after it has become evident that TLR finds it problematic. Consequently, Colby remains highly dependent upon his dad’s input to the point that he cannot receive anything resembling criticism. Combining that fact with TLR’s intense managing style and you have a recipe for chronic discontentment.

    It is my strong opinion that there is no salvaging the damage this has done, especially in the clubhouse. Colby needs a fresh start in a new place where he needs to standup and lovingly and respectfully tell dad to backoff.

  69. But somehow, he manages to get more out of his team’s talent than any manager in baseball. The guy is a complete jerk, don’t get me wrong, but he is also one of the best managers in baseball. However, if he loses Rasmus because of this, he will have done the Cards a great disservice, as this guy will be very good very soon.

  70. start_wearing_purple 5 years ago

    Good point.

  71. Ferrariman 5 years ago

    a men.

    get rid of TLR

  72. Sage 5 years ago

    Comment of the day, right there.

  73. Sage 5 years ago

    Comment of the day, right there.

  74. LOL. A’s get laughed off the phone.

  75. Considering Oakland’s young pitching depth and need for cost-controlled bats, this is not an unreasonable trade. Like PL78 said, it’s totally another version of Garza/Young.

  76. Considering Oakland’s young pitching depth and need for cost-controlled bats, this is not an unreasonable trade. Like PL78 said, it’s totally another version of Garza/Young.

  77. $1639238 5 years ago

    I don’t agree with this at all. Even a little. Not one ioata. During his run in the 90’s he had a team with Alber Pujols, boderline HOFers Jim Edmonds and Scott Rolen, J.D Drew for a number of years and Edgar Renteria during his prime. He’s had Matt Morris, Darryl Kile, Chris Carpenter, Adam Wainwright, Jason Isringhausen on the mound for him. It’s not like he’s running talentless teams out there. Those teams should have one division titles. He didn’t “get the most” out of them. He had awesome teams that won a ton of ballgames.

  78. $1639238 5 years ago

    2003 Cardinal Lineup

    C: Mike Matheny
    1B: Tino Martinez (certinaly got the most out of him!)
    2B: Bo Hart
    SS: Edgar Renteria
    3B: Scott Rolen
    LF: Albert Pujols
    CF: Jim Edmonds
    RF: J.D. Drew

  79. Ferrariman 5 years ago

    not to mention having managed guys like McGwire, Ricky Henderson, and Canseco when he was in Oakland. also an assortment of other talented pitchers

  80. airohpue13 5 years ago

    2006…

  81. airohpue13 5 years ago

    2006…

  82. IMO, Gonzalez is nothing more than a #3 in any other ballpark. Rasmus has the potential to be a star CF. Over two seasons, Rasmus is still 1.0 WAR higher and is a year younger. Do you think that the Cards would trade Rasmus for Romero straight up (before Ricky signed his contract)?

  83. $1639238 5 years ago

    The 2006 team 83 games and underachieved a lot during the season. They dropped 17 more games than they did the year before with a very similar team. The 05 team lost Larry Walker (held to 100 games due to injury, his 2.9 WAR was pretty much offset by Chris Duncan’s 2.5 WAR when he came up in 06′), Reggie Sanders for Juan Encarnacion, Rolen missed most of 05 and was back healthy in 06 and Matt Morris was the only starting rotation lost.

    The result was 17 fewer wins for the Cardinals. How can you count that as “making the most”. They managed to get to the playoffs, Jeff Weaver had a run where he didn’t pitch like Jeff Weaver, career 5.12 ERA Anthony Reyes pitched the game of his life in game 1 of the World Series and the rest is history. It was great, I loved it, but don’t call it getting the most out of your players when that year was anything but!

  84. ISeeYaRodAllen 5 years ago

    the tigers lost that one. bottom line.

  85. Actually in total Rasmus is only 0.5 higher with WAR over the last seasons. And also Gio didn’t have about 10 to 15 starts last year for it to be a complete season. A comparison, Rasmus would have had to have missed 50 to 75 games for it to equal what Gio missed, so Gio could have a higher WAR if he played as much. Gio still has very good numbers away from his ballpark and still has many years to get even better. And fyi the many if not most of the best pitchers in the game pitch worse on the road than at home. If he pitched at any other place called home for him his numbers would still very good if not even better depending on where he pitched.

  86. Ferrariman 5 years ago

    that doesn’t account for the time rasmus missed due to injury. i know that if you looked up rasmus’ baseball reference page, it would show he played like 140 something games last season, but he probably started about 120 of those at best. thats missing about 40 games, or another words 25% of the season. Not to mention that his ceiling is also a lot higher than gonzalez’s ceiling and he is younger and more cost controlled.

  87. Ferrariman 5 years ago

    that doesn’t account for the time rasmus missed due to injury. i know that if you looked up rasmus’ baseball reference page, it would show he played like 140 something games last season, but he probably started about 120 of those at best. thats missing about 40 games, or another words 25% of the season. Not to mention that his ceiling is also a lot higher than gonzalez’s ceiling and he is younger and more cost controlled.

  88. He still had 520 pa’s which is not a whole season but regardless he played more than Gio did. And did I ever say Gio has more value than Rasmus. No. I was stating what he didn’t say and missed.

  89. He still had 520 pa’s which is not a whole season but regardless he played more than Gio did. And did I ever say Gio has more value than Rasmus. No. I was stating what he didn’t say and missed.

  90. Ferrariman 5 years ago

    fair enough, but 500 PA’s from playing mostly in the #2 spot in the lineup isn’t that much.

  91. Ferrariman 5 years ago

    fair enough, but 500 PA’s from playing mostly in the #2 spot in the lineup isn’t that much.

  92. Backup_Slider 5 years ago

    Just cannot see Rasmus as a superstar. More like a solid major league OF that might make an All-Star game or two, but that’s about all the accolades I can fathom him collecting. Guys like Rasmus and Jay Bruce get overvalued on sites like this because they consistently showed up near the top of Baseball America’s annual Top 100 lists as minor leaguers. Flaws in their swings (esp.) or other facets of their game exposed at the early stages of their careers tend to get dismissed citing their young age and so forth. My personal unprofessional opinion on these top prospect lists is that there seems to be such a craving for 4- or 5-five tool players that a lot of players who should merit a rating of perhaps just over a half-tool in one or more of the 5 traditional tool categories are credited with a full tool and become undeserved 4- or 5-tool players and end up far too high on those lists. Contact, batting average, and non-range defense (esp. throwing) would stand to be likely long-term problem areas for Rasmus. My hunch is that Rasmus will wind up a Brave and there will be this grand Rasmus family reunion in Atlanta (brother Cory is a pitcher in their system, father/coach lurks nearby in Alabama).

Leave a Reply