Odds & Ends: Wilson, Twins, Greinke, Dodgers

As the Giants take a 2-1 lead in the NLCS, let's look at some news from around the baseball world…

  • Though C.J. Wilson will get a big arbitration raise, ESPN's Jason A. Churchill thinks the Rangers are more likely to keep the southpaw rather than put him on the trade market.
  • The Twins need another top-flight starter, and Jim Souhan of the Minneapolis Star Tribune thinks the team should try to acquire Zack Greinke.  His proposed offer of Delmon Young, Kevin Slowey and a prospect won't be enough to get it done, especially since Kansas City would be sending Greinke to a division rival.
  • Dodgers GM Ned Colletti says the club's payroll will increase in 2011, according to Dylan Hernandez of the L.A. Times.  (Twitter link)
  • Detroit "will make [a] strong push" to sign Victor Martinez this winter, tweets The Denver Post's Troy Renck.  The Rockies, meanwhile, are a "longshot" to sign the free agent catcher.
  • Also from Renck (via Twitter), Troy Tulowitzki isn't likely to give the Rockies a discount on his next contract since the six-year, $31MM deal he signed before the 2008 season has already proven to be very team-friendly.  Tulowitzki is locked up through 2013 and the Rockies have a team option (for $15MM) on him for 2014, so it'll be at least a couple of years before Colorado thinks about extending the star shortstop.
  • PGP of the DRaysBay.com blog looks at why Tampa Bay might think about trading Matt Garza and what he could fetch in a deal.
  • If Cliff Lee signs a six-year contract with the Yankees this winter, he could earn close to $200MM in salary and endorsement deals, estimates Forbes Magazine's Patrick Rishe.
  • Magic Johnson owning the Dodgers?  ESPN.com's J.A. Adande wants to see it happen.
  • Padres assistant GM Fred Uhlman Jr. will remain with the club, tweets MLB.com's Corey Brock.  There were rumors that Uhlman could head to Arizona to work with former Padres general manager Kevin Towers.
  • The Cardinals need to patch up the "rift" that has developed in the front office in recent years, writes Jeff Gordon of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.  Gordon also looks at the Cardinals' minor league system and the team's last several drafts. 
  • Fangraphs' Pat Andriola looks at which teams did and didn't benefit from "the old guy discount" last winter.


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137 Comments on "Odds & Ends: Wilson, Twins, Greinke, Dodgers"


YanksFanSince78
4 years 10 months ago

I would start the bid off @ 5/115 for Lee and see if anyone else will come close. I heard that the Rangers just signed a big TV deal and have an extra $75 mil per to spend. Let’s see if they’ll use it.

4 years 10 months ago

I think there would be a handful of teams willing to pay that price, but I can see the logic behind it.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 10 months ago

Yeah but $23 mil offered will thin out the crowd quick.

Sniderlover
4 years 10 months ago

Rangers: 5yr/115,000,000.01

0bsessions
4 years 10 months ago
Sawksfan
4 years 10 months ago

You know, I really like what Washington is doing. They want to build a winner. Good for them and their fans.

theyankeefanatic
4 years 10 months ago

i think it will take 6 years 150 mil…because i believe The Rangers are serious about being a great team from here on out…

johnsilver
4 years 10 months ago

Garza is one the Rays should NOT be moving, but a classic example of a team thinking more of pinching pennies rather than trying to get players back like they may be putting out in PR reports with this chatter.

Garza can be counted on for 200IP and you can write that down, something they still need to see even from young Price, Davis and the shaky at best Shields that should be moved and is over paid by Rays standards.

Get Garza on a team with a pitching coach that can get him focused on the mound on a continual basis, not lose his confidence when runners get on base (ditto with Shields of late) and Garza can easily become an even better horse than he is now and why this moving Garza continues to come out, his young age and all just makes no sense.

Sniderlover
4 years 10 months ago

I agree and with how young Rays pitchers are, it can’t hurt to have an experienced pitcher who is solid and can give you 200 IP but… unfortunately these are the Rays and they do have to trim payroll.

I’d trade Sheilds but Garza may get too expensive for them so they might have to trade him.

woadude
4 years 10 months ago

They dont HAVE to trim payroll, they just choose to and its sad when a team doesnt spend on proven talent.

4 years 10 months ago

They should trade Shields instead, IMO

Yankees420
4 years 10 months ago

Actually, considering the cost-certainty and flexibility of Shields, along with how similar his numbers are compared to Garza, the Rays are (theoretically) making the correct choice in shopping Garza instead of Shields. If you look at their numbers (too lazy right now to post them all) you would find that Garza and Shields are extremely similar pitchers, both are good for 200IP, Shields walks fewer batters and gets a few more groundballs, while Garza gives up the HR at a lower clip. And according to WAR, Shields has been more valuable each of the last 3 seasons. The discrepancies in their respective ERA’s can probably be attributed to Shields getting unlucky with a .354 BABIP and Garza getting a little lucky with a BABIP of .279.

Add in the fact that the current perception right now is that Garza is the better pitcher (and is also younger) the Rays would be foolish to trade Shields and hold on to Garza, in my opinion.

4 years 10 months ago

Agreed…Garza is the last pitcher the Rays should think about moving.

4 years 10 months ago

Actually that should be David Price or Jeremy Hellickson.

4 years 10 months ago

If Garza does end up being traded this offseason I think the Mets & Rays trading with one another makes all the sense in the world with the surplus of outfielders the Mets have and the surplus of pitching the Rays have. Seeing as the Rays will probably need to replace Carl Crawford or Carlos Pena’s production most likely in the offseason do you think if the Mets where to eat a good portion of Beltran’s salary the Rays would be open to a Garza/Bartlett for Beltran(maybe a prospect thrown as well) swap…Honestly i’d like to think it would benefit both teams but I guess we’ll see…

0bsessions
4 years 10 months ago

Not even close to a plausible trade. The Rays’ outfield is fine without Beltran and he’s not worthwhile to them even if the Mets ate the whole thing. Garza alone would cost the Mets some high end prospects.

Just_MLB
4 years 10 months ago

the rays OF is NOT fine w/o Crawford.
from left to right…
u have a rookie in jennings…high promise but u have no clue what ur going to get.
u have a consistently underperforming BJ Upton.
Not sure who is in RF…Joyce / Zobrist ?

The sad part is that it doesnt matter if the Rays contend or not…its not like the fans are gonna come see them anyway…

Hermie13
4 years 10 months ago

The OF is the exact same other than Jennings in for Crawford. Jennings very likely will put up better numbers than Crawford in 2-3 years. Crawford is overrated. He’s a great fit for the Rays offense but not worth the kind of money that’s being thrown out.

He’s a LFer without big power…..defense isn’t good enough to play CF either.

0bsessions
4 years 10 months ago

“The OF is the exact same other than Jennings in for Crawford.”

When you only have three starting outfielders, your best one walking away is, in fact, a pretty big change.

Just_MLB
4 years 10 months ago

so let me get this straight. U have an underperforming head case in CF. A black hole of production in RF. and a rookie in LF.

so basically u dont think Jennings-Beltran-Upton would be a good OF ?

mind u. this involves the Mets paying ALL of Beltran’s salary. so ur getting him for free.

markjsunz
4 years 10 months ago

In most cases the touted prospect does not make it. Crawford is a proven big League player, jennings is not.

woadude
4 years 10 months ago

The Rays love trading with the Mets, especially when it comes to pitchers.

OutlawXXX
4 years 10 months ago

Cliff Lee and Carl Crawford to the Cincinnati Reds, along with a Trade of Zach Greinke for Prospects inlcuding Yonder Alonso…

RoyalBlue
4 years 10 months ago

Royals dont want Yonder Alonso…

Dave_Gershman
4 years 10 months ago

The Reds dont have the money to spend 200+ MIL on 2 free agents.

And With Eric Hosmer, The Big Lava, and Billy Butler, the last thing the Royals need is another 1B.

4 years 10 months ago

The Big Lava=Clint Robinson? The only other good 1B prospect for the Royals that I know of. I say trade Butler, put Hosmer at first and Clint somewhere else

Dave_Gershman
4 years 10 months ago

The sad thing about Clint, is he falls in to that category of one dimensional slow DH who are AAAA players and is not young which really eliminates his prospect status despite his great year. We’ll see if a team in need of a DH gives the Royals a call. But the Big Lava is Kila Ka’aihue.

Ferrariman
4 years 10 months ago

i think the big lava is Kila Ka’somethinglongandweird. He is from hawaii and i guess thats where Span is getting the lava part.

Ferrariman
4 years 10 months ago

i think the big lava is Kila Ka’somethinglongandweird. He is from hawaii and i guess thats where Span is getting the lava part.

OutlawXXX
4 years 10 months ago

Carl Crawford and Cliff Lee to the Cincinnati Reds…

4 years 10 months ago

…in MLB 2K11

4 years 10 months ago

or Mlb 11: The show

TeamCropDusters
4 years 10 months ago

or his crack induced daydreams….

TeamCropDusters
4 years 10 months ago

or his crack induced daydreams….

4 years 10 months ago

I’m a Reds fan and it sounds like you may be but I’d have to wake you up from that dream. Payroll will not exceed $80 mil this year. That means nobody is signing a major contract for the Reds unless they are named Joey Votto or Jay Bruce

4 years 10 months ago

I’m a Reds fan and it sounds like you may be but I’d have to wake you up from that dream. Payroll will not exceed $80 mil this year. That means nobody is signing a major contract for the Reds unless they are named Joey Votto or Jay Bruce

Sawksfan
4 years 10 months ago

That’s my fantasy baseball team!

YanksFanSince78
4 years 10 months ago

I’ve always liked Matt Garza. I think that the Rays have to find a way to keep him and Price together. If they need to move anyone it should be Shields. He could be appealing to a mid market team looking to add a #3 starter. He makes $4.25 in 2011 and has affordable options of $7 mil in 2012 and $9 min in 2013. He get’s pricey in 2014 w/ a $12 mil option.

I think 3/$27 is a good extension for Garza. Buy out 2 years of arb and 1 year of FA. He can still hit the open market at age 30.

Hermie13
4 years 10 months ago

FYI, a 3 year extension to Garza will NOT buy out a year of free agency. He was a Super Two this year; he’s still got 3 arby years/controlable years left.

He’s not a free agent til after the 2013 season.

Tko11
4 years 10 months ago

Tulo is the best SS in baseball imo…once they have to extend him, the rockies will have to pay up big time.

johnsilver
4 years 10 months ago

That’s pretty strong assessment calling Tulo better than Hanley Ramirez. He may be better with the glove, but the trqack record still has to gov with Ramirez on the bat side, taking into account the home stadium both play in. Tulo in Colorado and Ramirez in the extremely pitcher friendly Land Shark stadium.

Tko11
4 years 10 months ago

It is a strong assessment but I think of it this way: If I was to start a team from scratch and I had to choose from Tulo and Hanley…I take Tulo and Im sure the majority would take him as well.

4 years 10 months ago

Magic owning the Dodgers sounds good to me.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 10 months ago

Yeah that would be great. It wold also put the Dodgers in a better financial situation, although it they could only be in better shape at this point.

CaseyBlakeDeWitt
4 years 10 months ago

At this point I think that anyone seems like a good owner for the Dodgers..

Yankees420
4 years 10 months ago

….except Frank McCourt 😛

Dave_Gershman
4 years 10 months ago

I would love to see the Tigers get V-Mart. He and Miggy 3-4 is pretty darn good.

4 years 10 months ago

I seriously doubt that the Tigers will make ANY effort to sign V Mart, much less a “strong push”. They’re going with Avila behind the plate, for better or worse. This is a key part of the “stand pat” strategy that includes Inge, Peralta, Scott Sizemore, and Raburn. $ 75 million off the books? So what! $ 34 million currently given to starting pitchers that are leaving, you think they’ll spend on a starting pitcher to upgrade that 12th best team ERA in the league? Nah! They’ll just convert Phil Coke to a starter!

4 years 10 months ago

I feel for you, Tiger Fan. DD’s comments and approach he said was gonna take this offseason are irrelevant to me, and I can’t believe it so much, I think he’s just posturing the media. No way Mike Illitch let’s him get away with that.

4 years 10 months ago

Oh, I believe that we are being low balled here, but I do believe that they’re not going to make any upgrades at all in the infield or at catcher, and I don’t think they’ll even test the waters with guys like Crawford or Lee, or V Mart. I think they’ll try to get a bat to hit fifth, maybe bring back Ordonez for the 3 slot, but take a downgrade in the 2 slot, maybe replace Coke in the bullpen, but that’s a sideways move. Most of all, they really need to upgrade the rotation, and I don’t mean just another Bonderman. If Coke is the fourth starter, then DD needs to go. No excuse for that.

4 years 10 months ago

Oh, I believe that we are being low balled here, but I do believe that they’re not going to make any upgrades at all in the infield or at catcher, and I don’t think they’ll even test the waters with guys like Crawford or Lee, or V Mart. I think they’ll try to get a bat to hit fifth, maybe bring back Ordonez for the 3 slot, but take a downgrade in the 2 slot, maybe replace Coke in the bullpen, but that’s a sideways move. Most of all, they really need to upgrade the rotation, and I don’t mean just another Bonderman. If Coke is the fourth starter, then DD needs to go. No excuse for that.

DutchTiger
4 years 10 months ago

I hope it is posturing, because otherwise 2011 is going to be a bleak season. I’d like them to trade for Madison Bumgarner. The giants probably will not even consider giving him up, but one can always dream. And an established veteran for this young staff would help as well. Leave Coke where he is, he does very well there.

Don’t get me wrong, i think they should not blow all the money now. Some of it can be saved to extend some of the young talent when arbitration starts coming up.

rbeezy
4 years 10 months ago

I’ll believe Coke is going to the rotation when he takes the mound. I find it hard to believe DD wouldn’t have his hand in a Garza deal if he is availible. I think DD is going to be making quite a few moves this off season and I don’t believe he is not going to upgrade the rotation one way or another. If he doesn’t he needs to go! As far as V mart, its doesn’t make sense unless he platoons with avilia and DH’s but I rather have Dunn at the DH.

4 years 10 months ago

I feel for you, Tiger Fan. DD’s comments and approach he said was gonna take this offseason are irrelevant to me, and I can’t believe it so much, I think he’s just posturing the media. No way Mike Illitch let’s him get away with that.

4 years 10 months ago

I seriously doubt that the Tigers will make ANY effort to sign V Mart, much less a “strong push”. They’re going with Avila behind the plate, for better or worse. This is a key part of the “stand pat” strategy that includes Inge, Peralta, Scott Sizemore, and Raburn. $ 75 million off the books? So what! $ 34 million currently given to starting pitchers that are leaving, you think they’ll spend on a starting pitcher to upgrade that 12th best team ERA in the league? Nah! They’ll just convert Phil Coke to a starter!

4 years 10 months ago

That was one hell of a game. In the end, Matt Cain outpiched the resurgent former WS and NLCS MVP Cole Hamels. However do the Giants make the World Series, Cody Ross should be the NLCS MVP.

slider32
4 years 10 months ago

Giants look like they have what it takes to get to the WS. Great pitching. To think that nobody gave them a chance when the series started. If the rookie, Bumgartner wins tomarrow they will put the squeeze on the Phils.

4 years 10 months ago

I’m not against the Red Sox bringing back Vmart, but if they can get the 19th pick from him I’ll personally drive him to Detroit. Well maybe to the Detroit city line.

0bsessions
4 years 10 months ago

I remember joking that if he had to leave that I’d love to see the Tiger grab him so we could get that pick, but I wasn’t even remotely serious about it being a possibility.

4 years 10 months ago

I personally would love to the see the Tigers get Victor Martinez. Avila would still be the everyday catcher with Martinez DHing against righties and catching twice a week against lefties or day game after a night game. Martinez could also spell Cabrera at 1st while he DH’s. Also it would allow Tigers to bring back Magglio and only have to play him in the field against righties and could DH with Martinez catching against lefties. This would enable Casper Wells to play in right against lefties. Also would let Tigers carry both Sizemore and Rhymes with no back up catcher eating up a roster space. Lineup would look like this:
Against RH

Jackson CF
Rhymes 2b
Ordonez Rf (Say 1 year/ 7.5 million with and 6.5 club option
Cabrera 1b
Martinez DH (4 yrs/44 million)
Raburn Lf
Peralta SS
Avila C
Inge 3b (2 yrs 10 million)

Bench

Santiago Utility
Kelly OF/1b
Sizemore 2b/3b
Wells OF (Send Boesch to AAA to find swing)

Then have Martinez catch, Sizemore play 2b, Wells in RF and Ordonez DH against lefties.

Also would like to see them make a play on Garza or Greinke centered around Andy Oliver. Hold onto Jacob Turner. Or even make a play for Wandy Rodriguez if available.

Rotation

Verlander
Scherzer
Rodriguez or Garza (Don’t see Greinke getting traded within division)
Porcello
Gallaraga (If get Rodriguez can put Coke in bp where he belongs

Lastly sign JJ Putz 1 yr 5 mill plus club option, to shore up bullpen and a lefty if Coke starts. Would love to sign Crawford but not in the bidding war it is going to be. This would put them in the 80-90 million payroll where they belong and not in the 120 range that isn’t feasible in Detroit.

4 years 10 months ago

I like all of that! Except the four years which it would probably take to get V Mart.
I’m not sure he holds up that long, but I like it anyway.

4 years 10 months ago

Yeah I would love to see the Tigers get him at only three years but think it would take that extra year to get him to go to Detroit. Think he would take 3 from another team to catch everyday. While the Tigers have plenty of money to spend it is tough to get free agents to Detroit. Every big free agent they have signed in past was either coming off an injury ie Ordonez or was towards the end of free agency and had little options ie Pudge, Damon, Valverde. Would love to see Crawford patrolling left in Comerica but think he won’t be worth the 7 years 120 mill it will cost to get him. Wouldn’t mind bringing in Thome to DH as the Tigers are sure to get a lefty bat but don’t see him leaving the Twins unless he wants more playing time. If they sign Thome could see them making a play for Werth as they seem to work very well with Boras over the years. However, I am always leery of a player coming over from National League and how that translates to AL.

DutchTiger
4 years 10 months ago

That line up is not bad, the only thing that would worry me is the depth in case of injuries. But this a general worry, therefore i think they should sign preferably two good bats.

Pitching: Gallaraga should be traded, he just doesn’t keep consistent enough. I also think they should focus on adding lefties, but i don’t believe Wandy Rodriguez is the answer.

4 years 10 months ago

Yeah looking at the lineup it seems like there is only two spots in the lineup that they will look to fill through trades and free agency. I see Magglio wanting to take less to come back here and should take up one spot and the other being a left-handed bat. They still have Guillen coming back even though with his injury history can’t be counted on but still could take the place of rhymes or sizemore if they struggle or be put in outfield and move Raburn in left. Also they still have Boesch and Strieby who I wouldn’t give up on if healthy. Also Wandy Rodriguez had a very good second half and gives the Tigers a left-handed starter and think he could be had without giving up Turner or Oliver but Im sure the Astros would ask for one of them. Would love to see them get Garza but is going to cost Oliver and then some.

4 years 10 months ago

Yeah I would love to see the Tigers get him at only three years but think it would take that extra year to get him to go to Detroit. Think he would take 3 from another team to catch everyday. While the Tigers have plenty of money to spend it is tough to get free agents to Detroit. Every big free agent they have signed in past was either coming off an injury ie Ordonez or was towards the end of free agency and had little options ie Pudge, Damon, Valverde. Would love to see Crawford patrolling left in Comerica but think he won’t be worth the 7 years 120 mill it will cost to get him. Wouldn’t mind bringing in Thome to DH as the Tigers are sure to get a lefty bat but don’t see him leaving the Twins unless he wants more playing time. If they sign Thome could see them making a play for Werth as they seem to work very well with Boras over the years. However, I am always leery of a player coming over from National League and how that translates to AL.

4 years 10 months ago

I like all of that! Except the four years which it would probably take to get V Mart.
I’m not sure he holds up that long, but I like it anyway.

Tko11
4 years 10 months ago

Pretty sure he wants to catch more than twice a week

4 years 10 months ago

Yeah thats why I think it would take the Tigers going 4 years to get him and money does talk. At least he wouldn’t be strictly a DH in Detroit and don’t discount his Venezulan ties which would make him fit in quite well with Ordonez, Cabrera, Guillen and Gallaragga. Just don’t see the Red Sox going more than 3 years which is where I think he woud prefer to sign.

Tko11
4 years 10 months ago

I hope the Red Sox dont go more than four years. Even though I like Martinez and hes a good hitter, I rather have him walk and have them sign John Buck. That way they get a catcher who can at least throw out runners. Then next offseason they can go harder after Agon or one of the top tier first basemen. Ortiz will hopefully be gone after next year too.

rbeezy
4 years 10 months ago

looks a hell of a lot better then last year, but they would still need more power. I would trade Dunn & Buck for Vmart and Kelly. Love the pitcthing though, I wonder what it would take to get Wandy? My line up would be

Jackson cf
Rhymes/Sizmeore Platoon 2b
Ordonez rf/dh
Cabrera 1b
Dunn rf/1b/dh
Raburn lf
Peralta ss
Inge-3b
Buck/Avila c

4 years 10 months ago

Yeah Dunn would definatly be an upgrade n the power department but don’t think he wants to DH and should be able to find a 1b gig in the NL. Also Vmart gives them a lot of flexbility with his catching/1b eligibility. If they sign Dunn I think they don’t resign Magglio. Still power increase with Peralta, Ordonez and Raburn playing everyday. In that spacious park I would rather have a .300 hitter with 20 plus homerun power than a .250 35 plus hitter but both would be an upgrade. Also Dunn has never played in AL and Martinez has. It probably would cost Oliver to get Wandy but would hope Tigers do all they can not to include him. I wouldn’t mind Buck in a platoon with Avila but think he will find an everyday job, what about Barajas?

4 years 10 months ago

I personally would love to the see the Tigers get Victor Martinez. Avila would still be the everyday catcher with Martinez DHing against righties and catching twice a week against lefties or day game after a night game. Martinez could also spell Cabrera at 1st while he DH’s. Also it would allow Tigers to bring back Magglio and only have to play him in the field against righties and could DH with Martinez catching against lefties. This would enable Casper Wells to play in right against lefties. Also would let Tigers carry both Sizemore and Rhymes with no back up catcher eating up a roster space. Lineup would look like this:
Against RH

Jackson CF
Rhymes 2b
Ordonez Rf (Say 1 year/ 7.5 million with and 6.5 club option
Cabrera 1b
Martinez DH (4 yrs/44 million)
Raburn Lf
Peralta SS
Avila C
Inge 3b (2 yrs 10 million)

Bench

Santiago Utility
Kelly OF/1b
Sizemore 2b/3b
Wells OF (Send Boesch to AAA to find swing)

Then have Martinez catch, Sizemore play 2b, Wells in RF and Ordonez DH against lefties.

Also would like to see them make a play on Garza or Greinke centered around Andy Oliver. Hold onto Jacob Turner. Or even make a play for Wandy Rodriguez if available.

Rotation

Verlander
Scherzer
Rodriguez or Garza (Don’t see Greinke getting traded within division)
Porcello
Gallaraga (If get Rodriguez can put Coke in bp where he belongs

Lastly sign JJ Putz 1 yr 5 mill plus club option, to shore up bullpen and a lefty if Coke starts. Would love to sign Crawford but not in the bidding war it is going to be. This would put them in the 80-90 million payroll where they belong and not in the 120 range that isn’t feasible in Detroit.

crashcameron
4 years 10 months ago

VMart’s value is not truly a catcher anymore although he is better than he gets credit for.
His top value is moving through C, 1B, DH and a consistent switchy with a nice balance of avg/slugging.
this makes him (on paper, at least) look like good, maybe great, fit in Motown: hitting in front of MCabrera, switching off with MC and Avila both in position and at the plate

crashcameron
4 years 10 months ago

yeah, just like AA-ron said above as we posted at the same time!

crashcameron
4 years 10 months ago

yeah, just like AA-ron said above as we posted at the same time!

4 years 10 months ago

His value comes from providing his offense as a catcher..providing similar defense as a 1B is around league average. He certainly wouldn’t be a top 10 offensive 1B..maybe top 12-17, which is about average. He could benefit offensively by not catching as much, although I’d argue he will start to decline soon and that will offset any benefit. I think Vmart has real value on a 3yr deal if you believe he can catch for at least two of those seasons. Strictly as a 1B he should get no more than 3/27 or so.

crashcameron
4 years 10 months ago

VMart’s value is not truly a catcher anymore although he is better than he gets credit for.
His top value is moving through C, 1B, DH and a consistent switchy with a nice balance of avg/slugging.
this makes him (on paper, at least) look like good, maybe great, fit in Motown: hitting in front of MCabrera, switching off with MC and Avila both in position and at the plate

start_wearing_purple
4 years 10 months ago

There’s a decent chance this Rangers team could make it to the world series and lose Cliff Lee to free agency. Why would they even consider trading away their seasons most consistent pitcher? It’s be basically rebuilding despite having the pieces to continue competing.

4 years 10 months ago

I wonder if winning the WS increases or decreases their chances of signing him…I’d guess it would increase the chances, but it may satisfy the fans enough to justify not ponying up the money. The 28 other MLB teams should pass the hat around and donate to keep Lee away from the Yankees. But with the new TV deal maybe the Rangers can take care of it themselves after all.

start_wearing_purple
4 years 10 months ago

By “him” I assume you mean Lee. My bet is if it changes anything the change would be minor. Lee’s already indicated he’s going to be the mercenary and go to the highest bidder. The teams that can afford him are likely already potential playoff contenders, so the chance to get a first or another ring won’t be the question.

start_wearing_purple
4 years 10 months ago

By “him” I assume you mean Lee. My bet is if it changes anything the change would be minor. Lee’s already indicated he’s going to be the mercenary and go to the highest bidder. The teams that can afford him are likely already potential playoff contenders, so the chance to get a first or another ring won’t be the question.

4 years 10 months ago

I wonder if winning the WS increases or decreases their chances of signing him…I’d guess it would increase the chances, but it may satisfy the fans enough to justify not ponying up the money. The 28 other MLB teams should pass the hat around and donate to keep Lee away from the Yankees. But with the new TV deal maybe the Rangers can take care of it themselves after all.

start_wearing_purple
4 years 10 months ago

There’s a decent chance this Rangers team could make it to the world series and lose Cliff Lee to free agency. Why would they even consider trading away their seasons most consistent pitcher? It’s be basically rebuilding despite having the pieces to continue competing.

CitizenSnips
4 years 10 months ago

Poor C Johnson. Never did live up to his potential.

CitizenSnips
4 years 10 months ago

Damn they changed it.

crashcameron
4 years 10 months ago

C Johnson?
Charles?