2:48pm: SI.com's Jon Heyman hears that Beltre's camp is using Torii Hunter's five year, $90MM contract as a comparable for their expectations (Twitter link).
2:01pm: Enrique Rojas of ESPN Deportes tweets that Oakland offered Beltre five years and $64MM, the same contract he signed with Seattle before the 2005 season.
12:06pm: The Athletics made an initial offer of $45MM over five years to third baseman Adrian Beltre, according to Juan Mercado at the Dominican daily El Dia (link in Spanish). Enrique Rojas at ESPN Deportes recently identified the team as a serious suitor for Beltre.
Opening the bidding at five years for the 31-year-old is certainly an aggressive opening salvo toward the dozen or so teams that reportedly hope to land Beltre. Mercado cites a source saying this is the first offer made thus far to Beltre, though at $9MM annually, the A's offer is a good step below the four years, $52MM that Nick Cafardo of The Boston Globe recently labeled a likely ceiling for the Red Sox.
Less than $10m a year? No way that gets it done.
the added years makes the offer competitive.
no way beltre sees 5 years from any other club.
Would you want to work longer for less money? If I said “I’ll pay you 200k to work for the next 4 years” then someone else said “I’ll pay you 150k to do the exact same thing for the next 5 years”, what would you do? Take the extra money, leave early, and go spend time with your kids? The years makes this offer LESS competitive.
Yes, but that extra year is guaranteed, so that analogy doesn’t work. Beltre will be 36 by the time the contract expires, 35 when his last year starts, so if he’s hurt, has fallen off a cliff production-wise or is even out of the game, he’ll get paid. Dont’ think that doesn’t mean something to these guys, especially as they get older.
4 years at $50 million would still be guaranteed and still be more money.
I don’t understand how you don’t get this. 4 years, 52 million. 5 years, 45 million. 1 less year of work = 1 year younger after the contract = increased likelihood of being healthy and able to sign another contract. And he made more money!! It’s a dumb offer considering the market.
if he stays healthy and productive, yes. Itd be a bad deal for Beltre then. But what if his minor injury issues turn into something more and 2010, like 2004, was just a fluke contract year? Older players prefer the extra year so they can settle their family down and settle themselves down. However, the younger guys want less years, more annual money. This is a generalization of course, but it usually is fairly true. Beltre is closer to the older category than the younger one..
4/48 would give him more garanteed money AND grant him free agency a year early to go out and seek a new deal.
Corey, read your post again, then correct it.
Yeah Corey. And stop “liking” your own comments.
…some people just don’t understand man. don’t ask me how, i tried offering up an analogy to put it in laments terms, but clearly it just doesn’t work.
Read the post again. Of course this isn’t going to get it done but this is the FIRST formal OFFER that ANYONE has given him. If you are going to an auction are you really going to tell everyone what your highest bid will be? Obviously not. Adding in the 5th year just spices up things to make other guys try to either offer more money annually or offer more money over the life of the contract plus the 5th year.
Yeah. But the money isn’t even competitive with what he’ll get for 4 years. Who wants the extra year if you’re still making less than what you’re clearly going to get offered for 4 years?
You don’t even know what other teams are going to offer him. These are all speculative things right now. There’s a reason why his value was at rock bottom just a year ago. There could be other GMs afraid to offer him more money because the 2 years where he was actually really good were contract years. Obviously the A’s will up their offer. They will counter later on with at least 5/$55. They have the money to do it.
5 years for Beltre is borderline unattractive because he will struggle to negotiate an additional contract. 5/$55 is only $3mil more than the Sox are reportedly going to offer for 4 years, and the Sox are afraid they’re going to get outbid by the Tigers, who could go up to 4 years/$56mil. So he will basically be playing his last year for $3mm instead of signing a new contract for 5-8mm/yr.
You are so short sighted that it’s not even funny. #1 he has stated that he wants to stay on the west coast to be closer to family. Red Sox play on the East Coast. Tigers play in the Central part of the US. There are other priorities that come ahead of just money. They are getting paid loads of money already. It may only be 3M more but what if he gets injured over that same time span? Will he still really be getting that 5-8M? I seriously doubt that. What if his performance suffers as it does with anyone with age? Will he really be getting 5-8M. It’s a risk either way. He either will take more guaranteed money at that point and stay with his family or get greedy and try to play out that 4 years and hope he still is able to have enough value to get 1 more big contract. That is what you are missing.
No, I’m not short sighted. If the years and guaranteed total money were the case, then the Sox could sign Beltre for 8 years/58mm and that would trump the A’s 5 years/55mm. Hey, he may have to work 3 more years, but he’s guaranteed 3mil more! No, that doesn’t make sense, he looks at his value and the average annual value of the contract, the projected market value when he finishes his contract, and makes a logical decision. So $52mil over 4 years is a much better deal than $55mil over 5 years because in his last year, I’m sure he isn’t projecting his worth to go down 75%.
Of course he is not going to project that but is he willing to take the risk is the question. There is a certain stopping point for when he is going to cut off the years if the money doesn’t make sense. He is either going to be 35 or 36 when the contract ends. There are a lot of guys needing to re-establish their value around that age if they were going to try and get another contract. A guy like Carlos Lee comes to mind. Same with Aubry Huff last year. Pat Burrell did as well. Would you really risk $3M more and may have to sign a lesser deal to try and re-establish his value again? And the other thing is that GMs may not go over $12M annually because like I said before they are afraid he will revert back to the old Beltre. His only good years where his value really was over 10M were his contract years.
And now you can read the update. What did I say? Now does that 5th year matter or not?
Yeah. Now that it’s 5 years/64mil. You do realize that the new offer is $9mm more than the 5 years/55mil that we were talking about. You’re comparing apples to oranges. Never did you say 5 years/$64mil in any of the hypothetical situations we discussed. I’ve been preaching AAV to you the entire time. This levels out the AAV. So whereas in our original argument of 4 years/52mil vs 5 years/55 mil, he was only getting 3mil more in his 5th year, which he could easily double on the free agent market, now he’s making $12mm more. God you’re like talking to a brick wall. Don’t act like you called it just because you said something about them increasing their offer.
I didn’t call it. My main point was that 5th year was going to play a factor because the A’s were going to up their offer to at least 5/55. I did not know they were willing to go up to 64M but I did say they were going to go up to at least 55M. I’ve been saying it all along the first offer is not a lowball because the 5th year gives him leverage. And I have been saying that they obviously will raise the offer and those were my original points. Let me repeat again, main points are: 1. offer was not low ball 2. 5th year will come into play.
The entire time we were arguing was because of the extra value of the 5th year only being $3mm. I was arguing that he could get more than $3mm the open market, so the 5th year at 5 years/$55mil would be a bad deal for him if he was offered 4 years/$52mil. Now that he’s been offered 5 years/$64mil, it’s a good deal for him because he won’t be able to make $12mm on the open market as a 35 year old.
Come talk to me in 5 years if we can still remember this because I do think this will be another Eric Chavez type thing where the last 2 years are going to be nothing but misery. And this is coming from an A’s fan. I can almost guarantee that he will not get a contract after this one over 3M because of either performance or injuries.
And one last thing I did say AT LEAST 5/55 I thought at max they would jump up to 57-58M and that would be their final offer. Sorry for not clarifying that.
Sportsfan is right. You are only taking into account the money. There are many other factors.
You should be mad at the Tigers for giving them that win that protected their 18th overall pick and is going to make this signing really sting if it happens.
yeah.. Both had 81-81.. tie.. both lose the pick.. I like that also. In fact.. lets go further.. A team wants to draft someone and fiddle around with him, then not sign them, let them draft at the END of the 1st round the next year.. Then won’t see these teams being cheap all the time.
Some people just want to play. And if he gets injured as he is getting older, he still gets paid over the 5 years.
I agree with you 125%, unfortunately we are in a thread dealing with Red Sox fans which collectively, have the intelligence level of a bathing ape.
Thank you to someone that finally understands logic.
I know exactly what you are saying too. Some people just take ever rumor they hear to be 100% true. Who knows if there is any truth at all to that Red Sox max offer rumor. Even if there is, they haven’t offered it yet, so it isn’t significant.
ur right, i didnt see the part about the sox offer
Why would he take 5 years at less money than the Sox would give him for 4?? Doesn’t even make sense.
Has anyone ever bought a house or frankly anything on this thread? Someone needs to set the market. Someone needs to submit the first low bid. I think this offer is BRILLIANT. What the A’s have basically said is we’ll give you 5 years, no problem, no questions asked. They likely have first right of refusal as well, which is typically common in negotiations (hence why the Yanks are always successful in negotiations)
At the end of the day. Beltre is getting $58-60mm over 5 years from the A’s or Angels. By the A’s basically making this offer, they’ve completely eliminated the Sox from the equation unless Theo pony’s up the dollars to $60mm over 4 years. Only way it could work for them at this point.
“(hence why the Yanks are always successful in negotiations) ” hahaha ya. They really blew the compitition out of the water with the arod deal didn’t they?
if thats their best offer its really not that competitive, multiple teams will probably top the total dollars over FOUR years
I don’t see this getting it done. The years are what he’ll want, but he’s going to want more AAV than that. He should be able to get $60 million total somewhere.
Why would he take less money no matter how many years the contract is for?
Love the fact that A’s are going after Type A Free Agents! Their protected first round pick is a huge reason why the system can still work. If they fail here, I could see Dunn as a DH option.
Does anyone really believe this is their highest offer?!?
Seriously, people, when you go to buy something and intend to bargain, do you really start with your highest offer?
The Yankees did with CC.
That was later into the offseason though.
Plus, that offer was ridiculous. No one could come close to it…
It might might not be the highest offer monetarily but it definitely sets the bar for 5 years, which is something Beltre has (Allegedly) been adamant about.
You’re obviousbly not a Red Sox fan, your comment is far too intelligent. This is not sacasim either.
Apparently you wouldn’t recognize sarcasm if it bit you in the typing finger.
Dude I’m sorry but to say that a person is less smart simply because of a team they root for is……. the irony is killing me!!!!!!
Hands down the most annoying person on this site. Why cant you just talk about baseball? I try to keep my mouth shut but your comments are so ignorant and pointless! You sir are the internet tough guy! Please do everyone a favor and comment on baseball.
thanks
everyone around baseball
Brian Sabean says hi.
Sabean…….Put a mirror in the room and he will end up in a bidding war with himself.
Do that Sh13 Beane!!!!
The funny or strange thing is I think you can make an argument that as their rosters currently stand the A’s provide him a better Opperunity at the post season than the Red Sox do. If Cliff Lee doesnt re-sign in Texas, they are depending on CJ Wilson and colby lewis duplicating success they have never before experienced. Plus if Beltre goes to Oakland that means he isn’t going to Anaheim which also puts the A’s closer to the Post Season
If the A’s add Beltre to go along with DeJesus and their pitching continues to improve, they’ll for sure go to the postseason! They’ve even been linked to Berkman too who many think will be diamond in the rough this offseason. The Angels and Rangers need to watch their backs.
except the A’s aren’t good. you have to be good to make the postseason. The chances of the red sox making the postseason is greater than the A’s winning the division.
ummm, no…your wrong. I’m not saying the the A’s have a better chance at the postseason then the BoSox, but the A’s are a pretty good team if they add Beltre, mainly because Beltre likely wont be the last piece Beane would add to the offense. The pitching staff, with even a league average offense, makes this team a contender.
I said as the rosters stand now. If the Sox go into the year wtih Cameron and Salty in their starting lineup. And essentially only names in their pitchign staff after Lester and Bucholtz….they won’t win the East and will struggle to take the Wild Card. I don’t see the Wild Card coming out of the East next year. With Toronto continuing to improve and the Rays (even without Crawford), and Sox beating each other up all year its going to be tough to get it
Boy, that was a stupid comment. Sorry.
Over the next 5 years, the Red Sox will make the playoffs more times than the Athletics. Fact.
Tied, both Zero
Century is just a troll, so I wouldn’t mind him, he’s been posting anti-red sox stuff for awhile now. That said the A’s have been making a lot of good moves this offseason, and either way its way too early to start guessing who will be in the post next year.
Yeah, having an opinion is overrated. It was a stupid comment that the Red Sox have a better chance to make the playoffs. Odd that the 5 or 6 other commenters seem to agree with that. The way it currently stands, the Red Sox roster is still a complete mess. Same as it was this time last year and this time around they are without a catcher. I called 3rd place last year and with the Jays packed with talent and Buck on the O’s. I thinking the Sox are fighting for 4th place this year. Keep in mind the Jays only finished a few games behind the Sox. I have to apologize for my comments directly to the fans. In all fairness, we all have our opinions, but how many times do I need to say that your GM is going to run that franchise into the ground. No one wants to listen, which is fine, but if you really look at his moves closely from a business standpoint, just about everything he does is bassackwards.
I can actually respect this comment however i disagree. Are you maturing right before my eyes?
Yeah, that Beltre deal last year was sooo dumb, right?
Pretty sure the Angels are gonna outspend everyone in the division. I think those redbastards like the post season
Yes, we do. I couldn’t really afford it this year, though, so I guess it wasn’t so bad.
🙂
Maybe they’re just trying to force bigger market teams to include that 5th year.
$9mm per year is a joke to Beltre. He will easily get 12-13mm over 4-5 years somewhere else. Boston has even been reported to have said 4 years/13mm per year (52mm total). Oakland has put themselves in a horrible situation with this offer. Now they’re going to have to go up on the money to match AAV, and it’ll look bad on their part to come down on the years, which is where they’re trying to get their competitive edge. They’ll have to offer AT LEAST 5 years/60MM if they want Beltre now.
It just doesn’t seem Beane like to spend that much on a guy like Beltre. I think Beane just wants the Red Sox to commit the 5th year.
The Sox won’t need to commit the 5th year. They’ll be offering more money over 4 years, thus allowing him to leave earlier and get one last 2-3 year contract. He’ll be much more appealing to another team after 4 years than he will after 5 years. He’s getting the best of both worlds here.
Why would Beane care to get the Red Sox to commit to another year… I get maybe Beltre’s agent coming up with that scheme, but why the eff would Beane care?
Maybe because he knows he doesn’t have the same money to spend as the Red Sox, so he might as well make them pay for a player he wants.
I really doubt that, they’re not even in the same division.
Please remember before saying this that the A’s offered the most money and years last year but went to the Red Sox to hit in a hitters environment to up his value. So Beane will spend on a guy like Beltre, they have already tried once. Also, people always forget the A’s get a boatload of cash in revenue sharing. Basically the legaue will be picking up 1/2 this salary annually.
The A’s offered 3 years/24MM last year. That’s hardly competitive or comparable to the contract he’s going to get this year. The guy wins the silver slugger and is the most potent 3rd basemen on the market. Just because they offered 24mm/3years last year does not mean they can compete with higher market teams who will be offering 4/52 or 5/60. There’s a huge difference.
they offered the most years and dollars last year coming off a bad season. They will do the same. Best part as i stated above…the Sox, Yankees and the rest of the “Large Market” teams will be paying probably close to 1/2 of his annual salary. It is what makes so many love/hate reveue sharing.
Last year his value was complete trash. This year his value has skyrocketed. Last year they had to outbid like 3 teams. This year they have to outbid 12. They will 100% not put the best offer on the table, especially after this low ball start.
Damn I guess you don’t understand the point in negotiating. This is not a low ball offer. If someone offers you 5 years, you could use it as leverage to try and suck a 5th year out of some other team. This is just a starting offer. This is NOT the take it or leave it deal.
I know its hard for Sox and other large market teams to understand that you are not assured to get the best players on the market. I see this as a case where Beane will be agreessive; And it looks like there was a question mark in the original post. Pelase remember that it says the A’s OPENED the bidding, meaning that no other team (no matter what your local papers are reporting) have made an offer.
They put up the highest TOTAL value, but that doesn’t make it the most palateable contract from the player’s perspective.
The Sox deal had a higher AAV on the one year with an easy escalating option year for the second. If he bombs, but stays healthy, he’s getting two million more annually and getting back on the market a year earlier, if he performs, he’s going to get paaaaaid. Boston most DEFINITELY was the better offer.
don’t even bother trying to explain, its pointless.
Don’t worry. I understand what you’re saying. $24 mil guaranteed beats the Sox offer in terms of secured money. From Beltre’s perspective, he was supremely confident in his abilities but was taking a huge risk.
“If he bombs, but stays healthy, he’s getting two million more annually and getting back on the market a year earlier”. If he bombs, which would be for the 2nd year in a row, then the market for him would’ve sucked and there’s no way he approaches getting anything more than $5 mil guaranteed and an incentive ladened contract.
JUSTIN UPTON JUSTIN UPTON JUSTIN UPTON….NOT BELTRE!!!!!
This offer won’t get it done and the A’s won’t go much higher
they offered more than anyone else in baseball last year….so they will again
Your logic is atrocious.
It’s a fact….facts are fun
The problem is players don’t want to sign with Oakland especially hitters because of the park’s dimensions and the owners history of trading away good players every year.
Obviously. Like a poster said above, if you are going to buy something and are looking to bargain, are you really going to start off with the highest number you are willing to go to?
I can understand not over bidding early on, but this will likely go higher….beltre will want 5 yr/65-70mill
Hahahahaa nice try but your going to go higher than that…I doubt he wants five years that badly when he will be offered more money for four years.
One possible reason for a longer deal for less money: attempting to get a “hometown” discount. Apparently, Beltre prefers the West Coast (according to some items I’ve read), so perhaps the extra year would be preferable to being committed to a more lucrative deal on the opposite side of the country. Not saying that’s why, but could be one angle the A’s are hoping to play here.
interesting. Won’t get it done, but we get to see whether Beltre is more interested in the extra year or higher yearly salary right away.
Beltre has said that his priorities are winning, being close to his family (in Cali), and $$$$$$$$. We just don’t know what order his priorities are. After this season with the Red Sox, Beltre said he felt “guilty” for playing on the east coast because he was so far away from his wife and kids. These guys are actually human too, you know.
“I’ll see what’s best for me and my family,” Beltre explained. “This year I was selfish enough, coming to the East Coast, knowing my wife was pregnant and she would be away from me basically for the whole year. This year is going to be more a family thing. It’s been tough. I haven’t seen family like l wanted to. We’re going to settle down, discuss it, and see what’s best for us.”
When asked what his top priority was for this offseason’s contract, Beltre said it’s being on a “winning” team.
In other news, Beltre’s LA home is on the market for $19.8 million.
No, I knew all that stuff. All I meant by my post was that we’ll possibly get an idea for the order of said priorities sooner. 😛
Ya, I just decided to throw in the quotes for everyone else to see that its not always about the $
This was a good initial bid. Of course this wont get it done, but the A’s can afford to go higher since it’s still nowhere near what they payed Chavez last year.
The reason it was such a good bid however, is the 5 years. If you think about what they A’s just did, the 5 years will immediately clear the playing field of all but the most serious contenders, and they did it without causing a bidding war. Now, there will be less teams bidding and a smaller chance the per/year amount will get outrageous.
It seems like nobody can read or something. This is the FIRST formal OFFER ANYONE has GIVEN to Beltre. This isn’t the final offer. Obviously the A’s can go higher and probably will go higher. The 4 years $52M that everyone speaks of is just speculation from a journalist. It was never a formal offer.
This is a complete lowball, no one is thinking this is their final bid. They are reacting to how low they went with their first shot.
It isn’t really that low. You’re telling me the team with the 2nd highest payroll is only willing to go up to $13M MAX per year. Right now the A’s started off at $9M per year just to START. $4M per year difference between a STARTING deal and a FINAL deal is not that big of a difference.
its a 20 million dollar difference. Thats a pretty big deal.
It has been reported that he’s received 4/52 offers. . The lowered the overall sum of the deal and added a year. It’s not laughable, but it can easily be deemed a lowball
Read the post again. It has not been reported that he received 4/52. The FIRST offer he GOT was the A’s 5/45 deal. Some journalist spectulated that the RED SOX would go as HIGH as 4/52. The Red Sox may go 4/45 to start their offer. Who knows. Everyone seems to be losing sight that the most important part of this offer is not the 45M but that he got the 5th year out of some team. He now has leverage to get other teams to offer him a 5th year as well. Does anyone not understand that? Some team could go 5/55 or 5/60 which would give him a lower annual salary than his 4/52 but he gets more money over the life of the contract. Getting leverage for that 5th year is what is important for Beltre at this point. NOT the 45M
By the way, you my friend are a prime example of someone who did NOT read the post correctly. Sorry to say that.
you’re a prime example of someone who has a menstrual cycle all over his keyboard
Just relax, just because I or others think its a low ball doesn’t mean the A’s won’t sign him.. just take a deep breath, inhale, exhale and move on.
It’s more like you need to learn how to read something before you start talking. Seriously I don’t understand how so many people could not read FIRST FORMAL OFFER.
and their FIRST FORMAL OFFER was a low ball. like geeze why are you overreacting like a little child?
Damn do I really have to stoop to your level and start the name calling? What are you 12?
I didn’t call you any names, i asked why you are overreacting like a little child? Not you are a little child..Honestly, you are way too emotional. So I’m done trying reason with you
You have no idea how much I’m laughing while I’m reading your posts. Anyways I have established that you are of no reason as well so this is where I draw the line with you as well.
It is his only offer on the table. The article says “A’s open the bidding”….there hasnt been a Red Sox offer (through previously reported)….this is the opening bid. Now every team knows it will take 5 years and that the A’s are in it. Let the negotations begin
do you honestly think that Theo somewhere is saying oh geeze the A’s offered Beltre a 5th year at 9 mil per and is worried? C’mon, if the deal was 50 million for 10 years would the Red Sox say OH NO we have to commit 10 years now!! be logical please, just be logical.
I would hope he isnt worried. Never said he was. Just trying to state clearly enough so you will understand (for some reason you don’t want to since you are ignoring and shutting off all posters who state it) but the only offer on the table that Beltre has from Oakland. There have been many teams interested but he has ONE offer. I think there is a 100 percent chance he takes a 5 year deal and Theo has said he won’t go 5. So the question will come down to whether the Angels or A’s will offer the most.
I think you are mistaking what deals have been made public and which deals have remained private. You and I both don’t know how many offers Beltre and his agent has received so far. Not every deal gets leaked. The only deal we do know is this one… which sucks.
The final bidding price from a team will obviously be higher, but all this does is force teams that seriously want beltre to at least match the 5 yrs
So….5 years/64mm is a monster and will probably make the deal. I’ll be surprised if he shuts that down. Rest easy, coachofall and sportsfan, that’s a monster deal and he will probably take it. Unless the Angels match it. Sox won’t pay that price for Beltre when they will be ponying up for Adrian Gonzalez next year.
If 5yr/$64M is legit, he’d be a sucker not to take it. Big overpay for a guy who’s career numbers are underwhelming.
First Formal Offer w/ rights to the Final Formal Offer. if you really want Beltre It’s gonna have to be 5-years, Theo & Reagins. Well done, Beane.
If this is accurate, enjoy him, A’s. Too rich for our blood.
I don’t want to see Beltre with the A’s.
His only two really good seasons were in 2004 and 2010, and both were in the last year of his contracts. He’s just average otherwise.
Just get Mr. Burns to hire a hypnotist to hypnotize Adrian before every year so he thinks its a contract year. problem solved.
Snap back to reality. Oh the Marlins trade Dan Uggla to the BRAVES there goes gravity.
win
I think you mean to say, his only two really good seasons were in 2004 and 2010, and both were in HITTERS PARKS. He’ll struggle if he takes this deal, and not just because he won’t have a contract year for a while, it’ll be because he is in Oakland.
I seem to remember him having a contract year in 2009 too, and didn’t exactly impress. Nobody remembers that? Or do you just say it was the injuries that kept him from doing his usual contract year performance.
yeah even more reason not to go after him.
As for 2009 I don’t know what was going on with him, but since 2001, Beltre’s highest season OBP was .328 (not counting 2004 and 2010). I thought Beane wanted guys who go on base…. and Beltre’s power numbers don’t seem to make up for it. Go after Dunn who just hits home runs and gets on base (even though he strikes out).
The only thing is that I don’t know how many high profile free agents really want to come to Oakland…
Ok, agreed, I don’t know what Oakland is doing here. Just wanted to defend this contract year stigma a little more 😛
And I see the OBP problem…and in a pitchers park that really stings. I think though, that in a hitters park, his contact skills + power do in fact compensate for the low OBP, which is why I wish Boston would be bidding heavily for him. Although if he’s really hoping for 5/90, and Oakland just offered 5/64, I guess Bostons out of it.
5/64M? good for the A’s
Their offense was putrid last year and their pitching was incredible (and young). They need a veteran presence like Beltre and someone who can knock in those OBP guys (most notably Barton). I love the idea and considering we have to spend some money (see Sheets), I would rather see Beltre than a lot of other guys in green and gold.
I agree.
DOnt forget A’s also have 2 3b in encarnacion, kouzmanoff. Plan B’s if not beltre signing, but at least one of them IMO Kouzmanoff should be decent trade bait
So much for the “low ball” offer, now people here are saying A’s are overpaying LOL. You cant have it both ways. A’s have to overpay to attract free agents with that ballpark
Encarnacion is a plan D.. lol
but in fairness, I do see potential in his bat, I’d like him for a DH if his salary demands were reasonable.. but apparently he told the Jays he wanted to play 3b everyday
i’m sorry to be so blunt – but Billy Beane is stupid
Beltre already got a big deal to go to a pitchers park in the ALWest once. It didnt work out too well. Why after 5 years, does Beane thinks it will work out better this time?
Then when Oakland is an also ran again in 2011, we’ll get to hear about how Beane does the best with what he is given. LOL. 30M for a 4th starter. 5 yr/65m deal to a guy who produces about once every 5 years
most overrated general manager EVER
Most overrated comment = “Beane is most overrated GM ever”
Beltre earned his entire contract in Seattle according to his Offense & Defensive numbers, i.e. Overall Baseball Skills. Anyways, the A’s need to overspend here. Beltre hits well in Oakland. Next 3 years are crucial for the A’s with the pitching staff currently in place.
This is true, Beane might have realized that the pitching staff is at its peak right now. Maybe he finally convinced the FO that they must spend now or else their shot at being competitive again might not be for a while.
The pitching they have right now is really something. People might not realize that they have the best pitching staff in the Majors.
I don’t think its that clear cut, its definitely one of the best in the majors and their home park helps that as well..
But there is something to be said of the notion that you have to strike while the iron’s hot.
Or at least the second best pitching staff in the Bay area.
Dude. You made two consecutive comments that make too much sense. Thanks.
I think overall Beltre has been a 4 WAR guy pretty much through out the contract he had with seattle. Which is roughly equating to about 13M per year..which is what the A’s are offering..
Well see about that Rob. I’m going to laugh when Beltre absolutely rakes in Oakland.
Get it done Billy.
Regardless if this offer is enough, or if Oakland actually gets him, I love what they are doing this offseason.
You love that they’re stocking up for the worldwide third basemen shortage?
You’re on fire today
5/90? Well it is still early in the offseason, I guess.Beltre’s put up season worth that in 4 of the last 7 years. The problem is that he was worth ~10.7M in the other years.
5/64 is maybe a slight a overpay.
5/90 is absolutely insane.
5/90 is insane.
I don’t care if it’s for 10 years, Beltre is *NOT* a $100M player. Not even close.
But maybe Hunter is a decent comparable, since Anaheim looks like morons for doing it.
I accidentally pressed enter before finishing my comment.Apparently I didn’t edit it fast enough.But yeah. I agree. Sorry for the confusion.
that’s what I’m saying.
5 yr/64 is reasonable (ish), but 5 year/90 is just ridiculous.
Please, Beane, don’t do it if it’s that stupid of a contract.
The Angels are very happy with Torii so far. He has played a little under his contract (maybe half a win per season) but more than makes up for it with the intangibles. So, if you want to cite a bad deal, this isn’t it.
Now, we can gladly discuss GMJ, Kazmir (although we inherited that one), Rodney, etc as great examples of bad contracts.
Fair enough. But I’d contend that contract is only going to look worse and worse each of the next couple years.
Wow, 5/90, waaaaay too much money for a player like Beltre. Angels, DON’T BITE
Beltre and his goons are asking for Torii Hunter money? 18 mil/year which will take him up to age 37?
No, that’s not reasonable.
It’s Boras. He would compare Adam LaRoche to Adrian Gonzalez if he had the chance.
No one should bit on 5/90
I dont see him getting more than 5 yr/70-80 mill from a team and even thats pushing it
The only way Beltre’s getting more than what the A’s offered is if the Orioles make him a priority and they’re forced to ridiculously overpay him.
This is just typical Boras posturing. Didn’t he use A-Rod’s 10/$250 contract as a comparison for Teixeira two years ago?
mods, or whoever’s in charge, can you delete the comment from “Kawaii Blog”? I was logged into the wrong Twitter account when I posted that. oops.
thanks!
Boras’ MO seems to be to find every single instance of a player getting regrettably overpaid and set that as the standard for his clients.
Ideal contract for the team that signs Beltre:
5 years-75M and an opt out clause for the team every year if he doesn’t achieve some pre-decided goals every season. In this way its his FA year every year ! I know Beltre won’t bite this and this is never going to happen but I don’t trust him if he’s given long term security.
New thought on this…
I’d much rather see the A’s stick with Kouz at third and go all in on Dunn.
We’ve all seen what Beltre can do in a pitcher’s park, and that kind of offense isn’t much more valuable than what Kouz gave the A’s last year. And considering the fact that Beltre and Kouz are near equals on defense, I’m sticking with Kouz for a pittance over Beltre for a fortune.
Anyways, if the A’s are seriously in on Beltre, I’m sure they’re seriously in on Dunn as well. Especially since Dunn is probably the only player on the market whose power would translate to McAfee. Don’t let me down, Billy!
I wonder if BB will acquiesce to a no-trade clasue. If I were Beltre and had legit desires to stay on the west coast then I would demand it.
I wonder if Beltre turned the A’s down last year because he simply didn’t want to play there and is now engaging the A’s to lure the Angels into a higher bid?
From the Angels perspective I wonder which have they designated as more of a priority? LF (CC), 3B (Beltre) or closer (Soriano).
carl crawford is the angels top priority in the 2010-2011 offseason.
I too question if 5 years and 90 Million is a good offer for Beltre; That being said I would give that contract to Beltre before I would give it to Werth.
No way Beltre is worth Hunter money. Hunter is barely worth Hunter money. Could turn out Hunter isn’t worth Hunter money since he still has two years remaining and he’ll be playing in right field next season and possibly clogging up the DH spot in his last year. No way Halos bite…especially since Boras is his agent.
The Angels are probably the team Beltre wants to play for. Too bad for Beltre though. He’s likely a plan B or C for the Angels.. Plus they’re not too fond of his agent either.
who cares about boras, if the angels like the player enough they will be aggressive in trying to sign him.