Athletics Open Bidding On Beltre At Five Years?

2:48pm: SI.com's Jon Heyman hears that Beltre's camp is using Torii Hunter's five year, $90MM contract as a comparable for their expectations (Twitter link).

2:01pm: Enrique Rojas of ESPN Deportes tweets that Oakland offered Beltre five years and $64MM, the same contract he signed with Seattle before the 2005 season.

12:06pm: The Athletics made an initial offer of $45MM over five years to third baseman Adrian Beltre, according to Juan Mercado at the Dominican daily El Dia (link in Spanish).  Enrique Rojas at ESPN Deportes recently identified the team as a serious suitor for Beltre.

Opening the bidding at five years for the 31-year-old is certainly an aggressive opening salvo toward the dozen or so teams that reportedly hope to land Beltre. Mercado cites a source saying this is the first offer made thus far to Beltre, though at $9MM annually, the A's offer is a good step below the four years, $52MM that Nick Cafardo of The Boston Globe recently labeled a likely ceiling for the Red Sox.


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167 Comments on "Athletics Open Bidding On Beltre At Five Years?"


wickedkevin
4 years 9 months ago

Less than $10m a year? No way that gets it done.

Just_MLB
4 years 9 months ago

the added years makes the offer competitive.

no way beltre sees 5 years from any other club.

soxfan0928
4 years 9 months ago

Would you want to work longer for less money? If I said “I’ll pay you 200k to work for the next 4 years” then someone else said “I’ll pay you 150k to do the exact same thing for the next 5 years”, what would you do? Take the extra money, leave early, and go spend time with your kids? The years makes this offer LESS competitive.

4 years 9 months ago

Yes, but that extra year is guaranteed, so that analogy doesn’t work. Beltre will be 36 by the time the contract expires, 35 when his last year starts, so if he’s hurt, has fallen off a cliff production-wise or is even out of the game, he’ll get paid. Dont’ think that doesn’t mean something to these guys, especially as they get older.

Commander_Nate
4 years 9 months ago

4 years at $50 million would still be guaranteed and still be more money.

soxfan0928
4 years 9 months ago

I don’t understand how you don’t get this. 4 years, 52 million. 5 years, 45 million. 1 less year of work = 1 year younger after the contract = increased likelihood of being healthy and able to sign another contract. And he made more money!! It’s a dumb offer considering the market.

lakersdodgersyankees4life
4 years 9 months ago

if he stays healthy and productive, yes. Itd be a bad deal for Beltre then. But what if his minor injury issues turn into something more and 2010, like 2004, was just a fluke contract year? Older players prefer the extra year so they can settle their family down and settle themselves down. However, the younger guys want less years, more annual money. This is a generalization of course, but it usually is fairly true. Beltre is closer to the older category than the younger one..

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

4/48 would give him more garanteed money AND grant him free agency a year early to go out and seek a new deal.

elclashcombo
4 years 9 months ago

Corey, read your post again, then correct it.

soxfan0928
4 years 9 months ago

Yeah Corey. And stop “liking” your own comments.

soxfan0928
4 years 9 months ago

…some people just don’t understand man. don’t ask me how, i tried offering up an analogy to put it in laments terms, but clearly it just doesn’t work.

sportsfan07
4 years 9 months ago

Read the post again. Of course this isn’t going to get it done but this is the FIRST formal OFFER that ANYONE has given him. If you are going to an auction are you really going to tell everyone what your highest bid will be? Obviously not. Adding in the 5th year just spices up things to make other guys try to either offer more money annually or offer more money over the life of the contract plus the 5th year.

soxfan0928
4 years 9 months ago

Yeah. But the money isn’t even competitive with what he’ll get for 4 years. Who wants the extra year if you’re still making less than what you’re clearly going to get offered for 4 years?

sportsfan07
4 years 9 months ago

You don’t even know what other teams are going to offer him. These are all speculative things right now. There’s a reason why his value was at rock bottom just a year ago. There could be other GMs afraid to offer him more money because the 2 years where he was actually really good were contract years. Obviously the A’s will up their offer. They will counter later on with at least 5/$55. They have the money to do it.

soxfan0928
4 years 9 months ago

5 years for Beltre is borderline unattractive because he will struggle to negotiate an additional contract. 5/$55 is only $3mil more than the Sox are reportedly going to offer for 4 years, and the Sox are afraid they’re going to get outbid by the Tigers, who could go up to 4 years/$56mil. So he will basically be playing his last year for $3mm instead of signing a new contract for 5-8mm/yr.

sportsfan07
4 years 9 months ago

You are so short sighted that it’s not even funny. #1 he has stated that he wants to stay on the west coast to be closer to family. Red Sox play on the East Coast. Tigers play in the Central part of the US. There are other priorities that come ahead of just money. They are getting paid loads of money already. It may only be 3M more but what if he gets injured over that same time span? Will he still really be getting that 5-8M? I seriously doubt that. What if his performance suffers as it does with anyone with age? Will he really be getting 5-8M. It’s a risk either way. He either will take more guaranteed money at that point and stay with his family or get greedy and try to play out that 4 years and hope he still is able to have enough value to get 1 more big contract. That is what you are missing.

soxfan0928
4 years 9 months ago

No, I’m not short sighted. If the years and guaranteed total money were the case, then the Sox could sign Beltre for 8 years/58mm and that would trump the A’s 5 years/55mm. Hey, he may have to work 3 more years, but he’s guaranteed 3mil more! No, that doesn’t make sense, he looks at his value and the average annual value of the contract, the projected market value when he finishes his contract, and makes a logical decision. So $52mil over 4 years is a much better deal than $55mil over 5 years because in his last year, I’m sure he isn’t projecting his worth to go down 75%.

sportsfan07
4 years 9 months ago

Of course he is not going to project that but is he willing to take the risk is the question. There is a certain stopping point for when he is going to cut off the years if the money doesn’t make sense. He is either going to be 35 or 36 when the contract ends. There are a lot of guys needing to re-establish their value around that age if they were going to try and get another contract. A guy like Carlos Lee comes to mind. Same with Aubry Huff last year. Pat Burrell did as well. Would you really risk $3M more and may have to sign a lesser deal to try and re-establish his value again? And the other thing is that GMs may not go over $12M annually because like I said before they are afraid he will revert back to the old Beltre. His only good years where his value really was over 10M were his contract years.

sportsfan07
4 years 9 months ago

And now you can read the update. What did I say? Now does that 5th year matter or not?

soxfan0928
4 years 9 months ago

Yeah. Now that it’s 5 years/64mil. You do realize that the new offer is $9mm more than the 5 years/55mil that we were talking about. You’re comparing apples to oranges. Never did you say 5 years/$64mil in any of the hypothetical situations we discussed. I’ve been preaching AAV to you the entire time. This levels out the AAV. So whereas in our original argument of 4 years/52mil vs 5 years/55 mil, he was only getting 3mil more in his 5th year, which he could easily double on the free agent market, now he’s making $12mm more. God you’re like talking to a brick wall. Don’t act like you called it just because you said something about them increasing their offer.

sportsfan07
4 years 9 months ago

I didn’t call it. My main point was that 5th year was going to play a factor because the A’s were going to up their offer to at least 5/55. I did not know they were willing to go up to 64M but I did say they were going to go up to at least 55M. I’ve been saying it all along the first offer is not a lowball because the 5th year gives him leverage. And I have been saying that they obviously will raise the offer and those were my original points. Let me repeat again, main points are: 1. offer was not low ball 2. 5th year will come into play.

soxfan0928
4 years 9 months ago

The entire time we were arguing was because of the extra value of the 5th year only being $3mm. I was arguing that he could get more than $3mm the open market, so the 5th year at 5 years/$55mil would be a bad deal for him if he was offered 4 years/$52mil. Now that he’s been offered 5 years/$64mil, it’s a good deal for him because he won’t be able to make $12mm on the open market as a 35 year old.

sportsfan07
4 years 9 months ago

Come talk to me in 5 years if we can still remember this because I do think this will be another Eric Chavez type thing where the last 2 years are going to be nothing but misery. And this is coming from an A’s fan. I can almost guarantee that he will not get a contract after this one over 3M because of either performance or injuries.

sportsfan07
4 years 9 months ago

And one last thing I did say AT LEAST 5/55 I thought at max they would jump up to 57-58M and that would be their final offer. Sorry for not clarifying that.

MarinerFanSince1979woot
4 years 9 months ago

Sportsfan is right. You are only taking into account the money. There are many other factors.

woadude
4 years 9 months ago

You should be mad at the Tigers for giving them that win that protected their 18th overall pick and is going to make this signing really sting if it happens.

johnsilver
4 years 9 months ago

yeah.. Both had 81-81.. tie.. both lose the pick.. I like that also. In fact.. lets go further.. A team wants to draft someone and fiddle around with him, then not sign them, let them draft at the END of the 1st round the next year.. Then won’t see these teams being cheap all the time.

MarinerFanSince1979woot
4 years 9 months ago

Some people just want to play. And if he gets injured as he is getting older, he still gets paid over the 5 years.

Guest
4 years 9 months ago

I agree with you 125%, unfortunately we are in a thread dealing with Red Sox fans which collectively, have the intelligence level of a bathing ape.

sportsfan07
4 years 9 months ago

Thank you to someone that finally understands logic.

alxn
4 years 9 months ago

I know exactly what you are saying too. Some people just take ever rumor they hear to be 100% true. Who knows if there is any truth at all to that Red Sox max offer rumor. Even if there is, they haven’t offered it yet, so it isn’t significant.

Just_MLB
4 years 9 months ago

ur right, i didnt see the part about the sox offer

Ricky
4 years 9 months ago

Why would he take 5 years at less money than the Sox would give him for 4?? Doesn’t even make sense.

Guest
4 years 9 months ago

Has anyone ever bought a house or frankly anything on this thread? Someone needs to set the market. Someone needs to submit the first low bid. I think this offer is BRILLIANT. What the A’s have basically said is we’ll give you 5 years, no problem, no questions asked. They likely have first right of refusal as well, which is typically common in negotiations (hence why the Yanks are always successful in negotiations)

At the end of the day. Beltre is getting $58-60mm over 5 years from the A’s or Angels. By the A’s basically making this offer, they’ve completely eliminated the Sox from the equation unless Theo pony’s up the dollars to $60mm over 4 years. Only way it could work for them at this point.

PookieGonzales
4 years 9 months ago

“(hence why the Yanks are always successful in negotiations) ” hahaha ya. They really blew the compitition out of the water with the arod deal didn’t they?

pastlives
4 years 9 months ago

if thats their best offer its really not that competitive, multiple teams will probably top the total dollars over FOUR years

0bsessions
4 years 9 months ago

I don’t see this getting it done. The years are what he’ll want, but he’s going to want more AAV than that. He should be able to get $60 million total somewhere.

4 years 9 months ago

Why would he take less money no matter how many years the contract is for?

coachofall
4 years 9 months ago

Love the fact that A’s are going after Type A Free Agents! Their protected first round pick is a huge reason why the system can still work. If they fail here, I could see Dunn as a DH option.

4 years 9 months ago

Does anyone really believe this is their highest offer?!?
Seriously, people, when you go to buy something and intend to bargain, do you really start with your highest offer?

4 years 9 months ago

The Yankees did with CC.

4 years 9 months ago

That was later into the offseason though.
Plus, that offer was ridiculous. No one could come close to it…

4 years 9 months ago

It might might not be the highest offer monetarily but it definitely sets the bar for 5 years, which is something Beltre has (Allegedly) been adamant about.

Guest
4 years 9 months ago

You’re obviousbly not a Red Sox fan, your comment is far too intelligent. This is not sacasim either.

Fangaffes
4 years 9 months ago

Apparently you wouldn’t recognize sarcasm if it bit you in the typing finger.

PookieGonzales
4 years 9 months ago

Dude I’m sorry but to say that a person is less smart simply because of a team they root for is……. the irony is killing me!!!!!!

Ben_Cherington
4 years 9 months ago

Hands down the most annoying person on this site. Why cant you just talk about baseball? I try to keep my mouth shut but your comments are so ignorant and pointless! You sir are the internet tough guy! Please do everyone a favor and comment on baseball.

thanks
everyone around baseball

4 years 9 months ago

Brian Sabean says hi.

BalcoBomber
4 years 9 months ago

Sabean…….Put a mirror in the room and he will end up in a bidding war with himself.

kaf64
4 years 9 months ago

Do that Sh13 Beane!!!!

coachofall
4 years 9 months ago

The funny or strange thing is I think you can make an argument that as their rosters currently stand the A’s provide him a better Opperunity at the post season than the Red Sox do. If Cliff Lee doesnt re-sign in Texas, they are depending on CJ Wilson and colby lewis duplicating success they have never before experienced. Plus if Beltre goes to Oakland that means he isn’t going to Anaheim which also puts the A’s closer to the Post Season

4 years 9 months ago

If the A’s add Beltre to go along with DeJesus and their pitching continues to improve, they’ll for sure go to the postseason! They’ve even been linked to Berkman too who many think will be diamond in the rough this offseason. The Angels and Rangers need to watch their backs.

pedroiayouk
4 years 9 months ago

except the A’s aren’t good. you have to be good to make the postseason. The chances of the red sox making the postseason is greater than the A’s winning the division.

jpshark
4 years 9 months ago

ummm, no…your wrong. I’m not saying the the A’s have a better chance at the postseason then the BoSox, but the A’s are a pretty good team if they add Beltre, mainly because Beltre likely wont be the last piece Beane would add to the offense. The pitching staff, with even a league average offense, makes this team a contender.

coachofall
4 years 9 months ago

I said as the rosters stand now. If the Sox go into the year wtih Cameron and Salty in their starting lineup. And essentially only names in their pitchign staff after Lester and Bucholtz….they won’t win the East and will struggle to take the Wild Card. I don’t see the Wild Card coming out of the East next year. With Toronto continuing to improve and the Rays (even without Crawford), and Sox beating each other up all year its going to be tough to get it

Guest
4 years 9 months ago

Boy, that was a stupid comment. Sorry.

pedroiayouk
4 years 9 months ago

Over the next 5 years, the Red Sox will make the playoffs more times than the Athletics. Fact.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

Tied, both Zero

4 years 9 months ago

Century is just a troll, so I wouldn’t mind him, he’s been posting anti-red sox stuff for awhile now. That said the A’s have been making a lot of good moves this offseason, and either way its way too early to start guessing who will be in the post next year.

Guest
4 years 9 months ago

Yeah, having an opinion is overrated. It was a stupid comment that the Red Sox have a better chance to make the playoffs. Odd that the 5 or 6 other commenters seem to agree with that. The way it currently stands, the Red Sox roster is still a complete mess. Same as it was this time last year and this time around they are without a catcher. I called 3rd place last year and with the Jays packed with talent and Buck on the O’s. I thinking the Sox are fighting for 4th place this year. Keep in mind the Jays only finished a few games behind the Sox. I have to apologize for my comments directly to the fans. In all fairness, we all have our opinions, but how many times do I need to say that your GM is going to run that franchise into the ground. No one wants to listen, which is fine, but if you really look at his moves closely from a business standpoint, just about everything he does is bassackwards.

Ben_Cherington
4 years 9 months ago

I can actually respect this comment however i disagree. Are you maturing right before my eyes?

Coreno
4 years 8 months ago

Yeah, that Beltre deal last year was sooo dumb, right?

Guest
4 years 9 months ago

Pretty sure the Angels are gonna outspend everyone in the division. I think those redbastards like the post season

Commander_Nate
4 years 9 months ago

Yes, we do. I couldn’t really afford it this year, though, so I guess it wasn’t so bad.

Guest
4 years 9 months ago

:)

4 years 9 months ago

Maybe they’re just trying to force bigger market teams to include that 5th year.

soxfan0928
4 years 9 months ago

$9mm per year is a joke to Beltre. He will easily get 12-13mm over 4-5 years somewhere else. Boston has even been reported to have said 4 years/13mm per year (52mm total). Oakland has put themselves in a horrible situation with this offer. Now they’re going to have to go up on the money to match AAV, and it’ll look bad on their part to come down on the years, which is where they’re trying to get their competitive edge. They’ll have to offer AT LEAST 5 years/60MM if they want Beltre now.

4 years 9 months ago

It just doesn’t seem Beane like to spend that much on a guy like Beltre. I think Beane just wants the Red Sox to commit the 5th year.

soxfan0928
4 years 9 months ago

The Sox won’t need to commit the 5th year. They’ll be offering more money over 4 years, thus allowing him to leave earlier and get one last 2-3 year contract. He’ll be much more appealing to another team after 4 years than he will after 5 years. He’s getting the best of both worlds here.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

Why would Beane care to get the Red Sox to commit to another year… I get maybe Beltre’s agent coming up with that scheme, but why the eff would Beane care?

4 years 9 months ago

Maybe because he knows he doesn’t have the same money to spend as the Red Sox, so he might as well make them pay for a player he wants.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

I really doubt that, they’re not even in the same division.

coachofall
4 years 9 months ago

Please remember before saying this that the A’s offered the most money and years last year but went to the Red Sox to hit in a hitters environment to up his value. So Beane will spend on a guy like Beltre, they have already tried once. Also, people always forget the A’s get a boatload of cash in revenue sharing. Basically the legaue will be picking up 1/2 this salary annually.

soxfan0928
4 years 9 months ago

The A’s offered 3 years/24MM last year. That’s hardly competitive or comparable to the contract he’s going to get this year. The guy wins the silver slugger and is the most potent 3rd basemen on the market. Just because they offered 24mm/3years last year does not mean they can compete with higher market teams who will be offering 4/52 or 5/60. There’s a huge difference.

coachofall
4 years 9 months ago

they offered the most years and dollars last year coming off a bad season. They will do the same. Best part as i stated above…the Sox, Yankees and the rest of the “Large Market” teams will be paying probably close to 1/2 of his annual salary. It is what makes so many love/hate reveue sharing.

soxfan0928
4 years 9 months ago

Last year his value was complete trash. This year his value has skyrocketed. Last year they had to outbid like 3 teams. This year they have to outbid 12. They will 100% not put the best offer on the table, especially after this low ball start.

sportsfan07
4 years 9 months ago

Damn I guess you don’t understand the point in negotiating. This is not a low ball offer. If someone offers you 5 years, you could use it as leverage to try and suck a 5th year out of some other team. This is just a starting offer. This is NOT the take it or leave it deal.

coachofall
4 years 9 months ago

I know its hard for Sox and other large market teams to understand that you are not assured to get the best players on the market. I see this as a case where Beane will be agreessive; And it looks like there was a question mark in the original post. Pelase remember that it says the A’s OPENED the bidding, meaning that no other team (no matter what your local papers are reporting) have made an offer.

0bsessions
4 years 9 months ago

They put up the highest TOTAL value, but that doesn’t make it the most palateable contract from the player’s perspective.

The Sox deal had a higher AAV on the one year with an easy escalating option year for the second. If he bombs, but stays healthy, he’s getting two million more annually and getting back on the market a year earlier, if he performs, he’s going to get paaaaaid. Boston most DEFINITELY was the better offer.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

don’t even bother trying to explain, its pointless.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 9 months ago

Don’t worry. I understand what you’re saying. $24 mil guaranteed beats the Sox offer in terms of secured money. From Beltre’s perspective, he was supremely confident in his abilities but was taking a huge risk.

“If he bombs, but stays healthy, he’s getting two million more annually and getting back on the market a year earlier”. If he bombs, which would be for the 2nd year in a row, then the market for him would’ve sucked and there’s no way he approaches getting anything more than $5 mil guaranteed and an incentive ladened contract.

4 years 9 months ago

JUSTIN UPTON JUSTIN UPTON JUSTIN UPTON….NOT BELTRE!!!!!

krazykrab55
4 years 9 months ago

This offer won’t get it done and the A’s won’t go much higher

coachofall
4 years 9 months ago

they offered more than anyone else in baseball last year….so they will again

soxfan0928
4 years 9 months ago

Your logic is atrocious.

coachofall
4 years 9 months ago

It’s a fact….facts are fun

krazykrab55
4 years 9 months ago

The problem is players don’t want to sign with Oakland especially hitters because of the park’s dimensions and the owners history of trading away good players every year.

sportsfan07
4 years 9 months ago

Obviously. Like a poster said above, if you are going to buy something and are looking to bargain, are you really going to start off with the highest number you are willing to go to?

4 years 9 months ago

I can understand not over bidding early on, but this will likely go higher….beltre will want 5 yr/65-70mill

Tko11
4 years 9 months ago

Hahahahaa nice try but your going to go higher than that…I doubt he wants five years that badly when he will be offered more money for four years.

Dan Gorgone
4 years 9 months ago

One possible reason for a longer deal for less money: attempting to get a “hometown” discount. Apparently, Beltre prefers the West Coast (according to some items I’ve read), so perhaps the extra year would be preferable to being committed to a more lucrative deal on the opposite side of the country. Not saying that’s why, but could be one angle the A’s are hoping to play here.

BoSoxSam
4 years 9 months ago

interesting. Won’t get it done, but we get to see whether Beltre is more interested in the extra year or higher yearly salary right away.

pedroiayouk
4 years 9 months ago

Beltre has said that his priorities are winning, being close to his family (in Cali), and $$$$$$$$. We just don’t know what order his priorities are. After this season with the Red Sox, Beltre said he felt “guilty” for playing on the east coast because he was so far away from his wife and kids. These guys are actually human too, you know.

“I’ll see what’s best for me and my family,” Beltre explained. “This year I was selfish enough, coming to the East Coast, knowing my wife was pregnant and she would be away from me basically for the whole year. This year is going to be more a family thing. It’s been tough. I haven’t seen family like l wanted to. We’re going to settle down, discuss it, and see what’s best for us.”

When asked what his top priority was for this offseason’s contract, Beltre said it’s being on a “winning” team.

In other news, Beltre’s LA home is on the market for $19.8 million.

BoSoxSam
4 years 9 months ago

No, I knew all that stuff. All I meant by my post was that we’ll possibly get an idea for the order of said priorities sooner. 😛

pedroiayouk
4 years 9 months ago

Ya, I just decided to throw in the quotes for everyone else to see that its not always about the $

4 years 9 months ago

This was a good initial bid. Of course this wont get it done, but the A’s can afford to go higher since it’s still nowhere near what they payed Chavez last year.

The reason it was such a good bid however, is the 5 years. If you think about what they A’s just did, the 5 years will immediately clear the playing field of all but the most serious contenders, and they did it without causing a bidding war. Now, there will be less teams bidding and a smaller chance the per/year amount will get outrageous.

sportsfan07
4 years 9 months ago

It seems like nobody can read or something. This is the FIRST formal OFFER ANYONE has GIVEN to Beltre. This isn’t the final offer. Obviously the A’s can go higher and probably will go higher. The 4 years $52M that everyone speaks of is just speculation from a journalist. It was never a formal offer.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

This is a complete lowball, no one is thinking this is their final bid. They are reacting to how low they went with their first shot.

sportsfan07
4 years 9 months ago

It isn’t really that low. You’re telling me the team with the 2nd highest payroll is only willing to go up to $13M MAX per year. Right now the A’s started off at $9M per year just to START. $4M per year difference between a STARTING deal and a FINAL deal is not that big of a difference.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

its a 20 million dollar difference. Thats a pretty big deal.

It has been reported that he’s received 4/52 offers. . The lowered the overall sum of the deal and added a year. It’s not laughable, but it can easily be deemed a lowball