Braves Acquire Dan Uggla

The Braves landed one of baseball's most powerful second basemen today, acquiring Dan Uggla from the division rival Marlins for utility man Omar Infante and lefty reliever Mike Dunn

Uggla, 31 in March, had another fine season in 2010 with a .287/.369/.508 line in 674 plate appearances.  Uggla is one season away from free agency, and extension talks with the Marlins broke off after he rejected a four-year, $48MM offer.  Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports feels that the Braves will attempt to sign him long-term.  Martin Prado will step in at third base as Chipper Jones recovers from knee surgery or log innings in left field if necessary, tweets Rosenthal.  Uggla should be happy to remain at second base.

Infante, a super-utility type, hit .321/.359/.416 in 506 plate appearances for the Braves this year.  He's under contract through 2011 at $2.5MM with another possible $1MM in plate appearance incentives.  The loss may put the Braves in the market for a utility player, writes MLB.com's Mark Bowman.  Dunn, 26 in May, is a hard-throwing left-handed reliever who came to Atlanta from the Yankees a year ago in the Javier Vazquez deal.  Dunn racked up big-time strikeout and walk numbers this year between Triple-A and the Majors.  The intra-division asking price for Uggla was expected to be large, but this is a disappointing return for the Marlins.  They have succeeded in revamping their bullpen for the long-term, adding Ryan Webb, Edward Mujica, Dustin Richardson, and Dunn in recent trades.

The Cardinals, Blue Jays, Nationals, and Tigers were other reported suitors for Uggla.

ESPN's Jerry Crasnick broke news of the agreement on Twitter, and Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports and Mark Bowman of MLB.com provided updates as the story developed.


479 Responses to Braves Acquire Dan Uggla Leave a Reply

  1. knucka11 5 years ago

    Nothing like targeting a need and successfully filling that need, congratulations Florida.

  2. fishfan4life 5 years ago

    I just threw up!

  3. metsman 5 years ago

    as a Mets fan I’m going to say…fudge…. and to the stat nerds who say he’s the worst fielder in the world; watch a few games..he makes some bonehead plays for sure, but he also makes some highlight reel plays that don’t compute in your saber-calculators. all things considered he evens out to a slightly below average fielder.

    • jwredsox 5 years ago

      They may not compute into our computers but with a better fielder it is perfectly possible that the play could have been made standing had better positioning been taken. It’s all about perspective.

      • metsman 5 years ago

        not sure what qualifies as a “perfect” possbility, but field position is yet another variable that escapes the all-knowing grasp of advanced metrics. Uggla is by no means a great fielder but I think it’s overstating it to call him a defensive liability…

  4. jondogg2010 5 years ago

    Just think, Uggla will be able to play under his buddy Freddi Gonzalez again!

    LMAO what a terrible deal Idc that the Braves will most likey use him as a one year player or go arb with him but it doesn’t change the trade value of a player.

  5. TheHotCorner 5 years ago

    Major coup for the Braves!

  6. Just_MLB 5 years ago

    anyone ever notice that the Marlins GM’s name never gets mentioned? is he accountable for this or is Loria really using him as a pinata ?

  7. TapDancingTeddy 5 years ago

    I’m surprised the Mets didn’t try to get in on this with a better offer. Two reasons:1. They don’t want the Braves to improve, and Uggla will probably help them.2. Any change at second base would make Met fans happy. Luis Castillo, fairly or not, has become the symbol of every failure Omar Minaya ever had.

    Then again, I don’t know if the Marlins front office has something against the Mets. It seems most of the team does – although I don’t know why.

  8. progmatinee 5 years ago

    I can’t believe the Rockies couldn’t beat this offer. Seriously frustrated with O’Dowds blinders, always thinking his players are better than the ones out there. Would Franklin Morales and Eric Young Jr gotten this deal done?

  9. Bye Bye Baby Bonanza 5 years ago

    Woo Hoo! No more Jonathan Sanchez for Dan Uggla rumors.

  10. Katsumara 5 years ago

    Awesome move for the Bravos. Leaves prospects to hopefully target Justin Upton, but who knows. Wren can be brilliant or retarded on any given day. I think this has more to do with the Marlins front brass being ‘less than smart’

  11. Honestly, I was upset about Uggla being traded, but you know what – he wants a 5-year $71M contract – good luck with that! He originally wanted a 5-year $58M contract and now wants $13M more?!? He is a decent contact hitter, with great power, but his defense is extremely poor… I feel bad for any team that will be willing to give him $71M… I’m happy that we got Infante and Dunn – even though Infante doesn’t have much power, he’ll get on base… And Dunn will be very valuable in our pen… Plus we got John Buck, who had a career year last year – and hopefully he’ll continue doing well for us… Sorry your ego got too big for you Uggs – good luck to him & the Braves… Go Fish!!!

  12. HipNip2009 5 years ago

    If infante’s season was not a fluke, I feel it was an even trade. Uggla could become a free agent after next year, while the Fish filled two holes. Infante was a good player this year, not the slugger Uggla is, but defensively he was much superior. Young lefties don’t come around very often, and the Marlins control him for years to come. The Braves will have to re-sign Uggla for it to have been worth it.

  13. BlueJays45 5 years ago

    Florida’s front office is on crack

  14. Infante proved last year he can play everyday. And Dunn is good against lefties.

    Fish obviously needed to improve the ‘pen and they feel as though they can contend in ’11 and ’12.

    They didn’t want to get just prospects (and it’s not like they would have gotten A+ prospects for one year of Uggla) as they are moving into their new stadium in 2012 and want players that will help the team win now.

    They have a pretty good team right now.

    • YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

      Please explain to me why they wouldn’t have gotten at least one A+prospect in return for a 2B who gives you 30 hrs a year? And by 2012 will Infante even be with the team? Infante was the epitome of a guy who had a career year. Who knows what he will give you next year?

  15. good move for the braves, will miss infantee though

  16. Larry Bienfeist is a well-regarded GM. Guy does more with less than just about every other GM out there. This deal isn’t as one-sided as it looks.

    Uggla was never going to re-sign with the Marlins anyway, and they did need pen help. They got better defensively too, so while the deal might not be a wash, it certainly isn’t a scalping.

    One-year rentals have only so much value, no matter who they are.

    • grabarkewitz 5 years ago

      True, but middle relief is easy to find. I would think either Teheran or Vizcaino would’ve filled a bigger need on the Marlins than Dunn and it would not have been out of line to ask for either. No problem with Infante, even if he comes back to Earth, he is still a better glove than Uggla and he will be a good table-setter for Ramirez, Stanton and Morrison.

      • 14 Rocks 5 years ago

        LOL at getting Julio Teheran for one year of Dan Uggla!!! You MIGHT get Teheran for Mike Stanton. I was arguing with Marlin fans yesterday that said that they wanted a lot more than the Vizcaino/Bethancourt/Marek estimate of what I thought it would take to make the trade. In the end, my proposal was actually way too much. Teams will not get much for rental players these days.

        As for Infante, he was a fan favorite. He plays hard every day. But, he is no defensive whiz. His best postion is 2B but keep him there. He is brutal at 3B, OF or SS. He will hit close to .300 without much power or speed.

    • Backup_Slider 5 years ago

      Technically speaking, Michael Hill is the Marlins’ GM, though it is not clear to me how much autonomy he has to make deals. Beinfest acts as president or baseball ops and is thus Hill’s boss.

  17. TwinsVet 5 years ago

    Huge win for the Braves.

    They just gave up a utility guy (albeit a good one) and a reliever (dime a dozen) for the Marlin’s second best offensive weapon.

    Even if the Braves fail to extend Uggla, huge win. They’re getting a year of elite 2B offense + draft pick compensation for a utility guy and a reliever.

  18. Just because Infante has been a bench-utility player for some years it does not mean he can’t play regular.. He did play regular with the Braves for a loong time (even qualifying for the batting championship with 506 plate appearances) and he could do it with any team because he IS very good!

    I still believe that the Braves just robbed the Marlins, but i think it is unfair to say that Infante sucks or that he is “a bench player” when he was a very important player for the Braves last year! It hurts to see him go away but man.. Uggla is great 😛 and Mike Dunn is easily replaceable

    • I agree with the first part, but the second is up for debate.IIRC, Uggla was about 4 WAR last year and Infante probably projects to 2 WAR, so the difference is actually rather small. You can throw out the reliever and just say 0 WAR, but Buck may be able to make up the 2-2.5 WAR difference, and in the process, the Fish save themselves around 4 million.Another thing to consider is that maybe Bienfeist sees more upside in Infante, even though he has been a productive player for 2-3 years now. He is moving into his prime, so it’s not out of the question. If Bienfeist senses this, I would give him the benefit of the doubt on this one in light of his previous track record. Omar may just turn out to be even better next year.Of course I could be completely wrong about all of this, since I’m to lazy to go to B-ref and look at the numbers. :)

      Edit: One more thing. Uggla plays a position which is notorious for early burn-outs by star players, and he is either 31 or is going to be 31 next year. This may be a case where the Fish decided that he is on his way down, and suckered ATL into a deal. Not likely, just sayin’

  19. So Can the Mets get Hanley for Perez and Castillo…Hell we’ll even be nice and throw in that 1.2 million over the next 25 years that we have to pay Bonilla : )

  20. sheldonman14 5 years ago

    Really? Could have got more from the Jays. Braves win this big time. I wanted to see him in a Jays jersey, to bad.

  21. Wow. Where is that Marlin fan that was saying on here a few days ago that it would require Drabek to start a conversation with Toronto? He must be PISSED!

  22. YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

    Wow…..I didn’t bother to read thru the previous 4 pages of comments. I just now heard of the deal. All I can say is……The Marlins are on crack. I searched for the players going back to FLorida and when I saw Omar Infante and Mike Dunn I suddenly was reminded of the movie “Menace II Society” when O-Dog was talking to the crack head. The crack head didn’t have money to pay for the crack so he offered him some cheeseburgers and some “extras”. How in the world does Loria justify trading Uggla, an all-star caliber 30 hr a year 2B for a super utility guy and an unproven lefty relief pitcher w/ control issues? There should be riots in the streets of Miami right now. What a joke of an organization. I can understand the need to trade him but they couldn’t coax more out of teams than this? I hope there’s a PTBNL.

    • IIMadzII 5 years ago

      The same way the Yankees justify paying Burnett $16.5 million (the same can be said about most of the Yankees, actually). It’s easy to talk about other organizations when yours throws money away to cover up problems.

      I suppose the justification would sound something like “We really wanted to keep Uggla, we offered him what we felt was a fair deal and he declined. We didn’t let that get in our way and we contented to negotiate with him, offering more money. He declined all offers. It became clear that Dan’s talents could be used to help fill the needs of the ball team for the upcoming season. We have acquired a lefty reliever and a plus defender/leadoff hitter in exchange for Dan, who is entering into his final year of arbitration. As a player entering into his final year of arbitration, it often becomes an issue acquiring the full worth of a player. There is no guarantee that said player will resign with the team he’s been traded to, he is often considered to be a rented player.”

  23. ClimaClub 5 years ago

    #BlueJays had most early interest in Uggla. Jays’ offer: RHP J. Roenicke, RHP D. Farquhar and either SS R. Goins or OF D. Mastroianni. #MLB

    link to twitter.com

    • sheldonman14 5 years ago

      If I was Marlins GM I would have taken that deal over the one they got any day.

      • moonraker45 5 years ago

        yea easily, roenicke and farquhar both have higher upside then dunn.

        goins/mastroianni at the very least are utility players who are controllable for 6 years

  24. YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

    WOWWW!!!!! It just dawned on me that not only was that a horrible return but they traded him to a DIVISION RIVAL!!!!!!!!!! What message does that send to the fan base?

    • start_wearing_purple 5 years ago

      That was pretty much my analysis… Braves hosed the Marlins.

      • YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

        “Thank goodness. Suddenly my trade of Swisher for Bettemit and junk does look so bad”.

        -K-dubb

  25. NYBravosFan10 5 years ago

    Frank Wren is officially forgiven for bringing in Jesse Chavez…this could also be the Marlins apology for not honoring Bobby Cox. Well done Fankie, well done!!!!

  26. The Only thing that would have made this trade better is if the fish took Kenshin Kawakami also hahaha. Great Job Bravos!

  27. Waitingonmypitch 5 years ago

    Would have kuo and carrol gotten it done? And the fish would only have to face uggla 6 times instead of 18.

  28. JohnnyHamer 5 years ago

    Just for those who didn’t realize it but Infante is also a free agent next year. I guess(but am very unsure) that depending on what position Omar is listed as that he could be a potential Type A next year as well.

  29. “Jays had most early interest in Uggla. Jays’ offer: RHP Roenicke, RHP Farquhar & either SS Goins or OF Mastroianni. #MLB”

    Wow.. that offer is weak too. Come on Alex!

    • JohnnyHamer 5 years ago

      I say this as an O’s fan that I am glad another good hitter isn’t joining the AL East but the Jays definitely could have made a better offer. I know another HR hitter isn’t a need but OBP is and when you have a lineup that is very close to competing you should make this move. If the Yank’s don’t get Lee then this division/wild card spot are very attainable.

    • moonraker45 5 years ago

      Still think its a better deal then they took.

  30. Uggla needed to be moved – it was clear he had no interest in coming back to Florida and it’s irresponsible to offer him a 5 year deal at that kind of money. It’s too bad the Marlins didn’t get a lot back, but they have done a decent job with these moves fixing their greatest weakness last year by upgrading the bullpen

  31. YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

    This deal is so bad it could change the lexicon of sports talk. “I was just Wren’ed” or “I just pulled a Wren on someone”. It can go to discuss a really good deal (Uggla for junk) or a really bad one (Feliz, Andrus, Salty for Tex). Sort of like “Aloha”. It can mean one thing or it’s opposite.

  32. MarlinsMaaku 5 years ago

    Sorry Braves fans , Your going to hate Uggla, He’s an extraordinary choker and a statue on defense

    • Choker? LOL okay?

      • MarlinsMaaku 5 years ago

        How many games have you watched him play,,?

        • NYBravosFan10 5 years ago

          enough too see the type of power we haven’t in a long time that he possesses

        • moonraker45 5 years ago

          30.. and in every game I watched he hit a homerun

    • Spoken like a true loser bitter fan.

      • MarlinsMaaku 5 years ago

        Bitter..? I think not , I couldnt be happier. Just wait till you braves fans
        have a couple of years with Freddy in charge.

    • You're Killing Me Smalls 5 years ago

      With what they gave up, I’m sure the Braves would be happy if all he did was refill the gatorade cooler… oh and put around 20 baseballs into orbit…..

      • MarlinsMaaku 5 years ago

        He’ll hit his home runs , but they’ll all be meaningless. when the game is on the line
        forget it

        • moonraker45 5 years ago

          were there ever games even on the line in florida? lol

  33. Eric 5 years ago

    The Marlins got garbage back for Uggla what a bad trade.

    One of the best 2B in the game is traded for Infante, and some minor leaguer.

    Infante hasnt done nothing productive until last year

  34. Abraham Zapruder 5 years ago

    Braves are going to have awful IF defense with Uggla and Chipper.

  35. tdw815 5 years ago

    what were the new mets brass doing? they could have gave the braves more

  36. 2010:Dan Uggla – 3.7 WAROmar Infante – 2.9Mike Dunn – 0.4On the face of it, this deal may be a wash.

    WAR values per BB-ref

    • MarlinsMaaku 5 years ago

      except Uggla wanted 71 mil 5 yrs

    • MarlinsMaaku 5 years ago

      except Uggla wanted 71 mil 5 yrs

    • Do you really expect Omar Infante to post a 3 WAR next year?

      • Actually, since he is moving into his prime, it is a contract year for him, AND he hit like a maniac last season while doing everything but sell programs, yes. Wouldn’t be surprised if he had a career year.

        How often do you see a utility guy with over 500 PA and a .321 avg. (3rd in the NLK BTW)? The guy has been a productive player for 3 years now and is really coming into his own.

        It stung the Braves to give him up, believe me.

      • Actually, since he is moving into his prime, it is a contract year for him, AND he hit like a maniac last season while doing everything but sell programs, yes. Wouldn’t be surprised if he had a career year.

        How often do you see a utility guy with over 500 PA and a .321 avg. (3rd in the NLK BTW)? The guy has been a productive player for 3 years now and is really coming into his own.

        It stung the Braves to give him up, believe me.

    • YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

      Can we please stop using WAR in an apples and orange comparison. Brett Gardner had a 5.4 WAR and Joe Mauer had a 5.1. Does it mean Gardner is more valuable to a team than Mauer? Of course not.

      Dan Uggla was an all-star. What’s one way I know the Marlins valued him as such? They were willing to pay him 4/$48? Suddenly it becomes obvious Uggla wants more $$$ or years than they are willing to spend so they trade him for a 29 yo career super utility player who just came off of a career year and an unproven lefty relief pitcher who has a history of walking too many batters. You can certainly make the case that Infante might be an upgrade at 2B but that isn’t the issue. The issue SHOULD be maximizing the value that you get for a HUGE commodity like a power hitting 2B like Uggla. Uggla should’ve easily netted 1 top 50 prospect along with 2 bottom 10 organizational prospects whom the Marlins would have for 6 years of control. Instead they have Dunn and a 29 yo INF who will be a FA in 2 years. I just can’t believe that with 3 1/2 months left before ST that they could not have gotten better offers from 5-7 other teams.

      • So how should we compare them? First of all, Uggla was voted into the All-Star game by the fans, which I don’t see as much of an endorsement. Second, run prevention is just as important as run production. Otherwise no one would pay so much money for pitching. Third, Uggla is 31 years old, playing a position that has burned out much better players than him. If he stays at 2B, he likely will decline very rapidly in his 33-35 playing years. Infante is 28 (29?) and his numbers have been steadily trending upward for three seasons. Uggla’s numbers, which are very good, have nonetheless been fairly stagnant for the last three. He has hit his peak, while Infante may yet have another gear. Notice I didn’t say that Infante is going to crack 30 dongs next year, but there is a good chance that he can post even better numbers, while still providing stellar run-prevention. With Uggla, what you see is what you get, and now that he’s getting older, maybe less.When it comes to organizational control, it is likely that Uggla is a one year rental for the Braves, due to his salary demands. Infante is also in a salary-drive year, but is eminently more signable by a small-market team like the Marlins. Also, if there is a reason to move either player at the deadline, the Braves will likely have to eat some salary to get any worth for Uggla, while the Marlins will get good value for Infante, without the extra payout.As far as Dunn goes, he is a young BP arm with upside. Yes, he walks too many batters, but so does just about every other young pitcher. He also has huge K/9 numbers. He has the talent to excel at the ML level. He just needs the work. And with 5 years of cost control, the Marlins have ample time to figure out if he will work out or not.As far as Mauer v. Gardner goes, I don’t know where you found your numbers but this is what I found on BB-ref:Mauer – 5.6 WAR in 2010. It was an off year for him, since he posted mid 7’s the two previous years.Gardner – 4.0 WAR in 2010. It was a breakout year for him, since in the previous two years his WAR values 2.6 and -0.1.So you are right. Gardner is nowhere near as valuable as Mauer, not even when Mauer has an off year. Probably never will be either, unless Mauer’s career is cut short.So in the end, the difference in WAR was less than half a run. One side got a little more defense in the deal, and one a little power. The both had to give to get, but it looks like the Marlins retained more flexibility down the road, so I’m gonna call this deal a wash, with maybe a slight advantage to the Marlins.

        • YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

          According to fangraphs Gardner was a 5.4 WAR in 2010 and Mauer was a 5.1. Feel free to look it up. The point is, and I can do this w/ others, WAR is a good tool to use in an apples to apples comparison. Use it among players at different positions and it’s simply not useful at all.

          -“First of all, Uggla was voted into the All-Star game by the fans, which I don’t see as much of an endorsement”.- Just using his resume and the fact they were willing to pay him like an all-star to show how he is valued vs what they got in return.

          -“Second, run prevention is just as important as run production. Otherwise no one would pay so much money for pitching”.

          I agree run prevention is important. However, Uggla’s enourmous offensive ability at 2B compensates for his defense. Infante’s glove and mediocre bat are not enough.

          -“Third, Uggla is 31 years old, playing a position that has burned out much better players than him. If he stays at 2B, he likely will decline very rapidly in his 33-35 playing years. Infante is 28 (29?) and his numbers have been steadily trending upward for three seasons. Uggla’s numbers, which are very good, have nonetheless been fairly stagnant for the last three. He has hit his peak, while Infante may yet have another gear. Notice I didn’t say that Infante is going to crack 30 dongs next year, but there is a good chance that he can post even better numbers, while still providing stellar run-prevention. With Uggla, what you see is what you get, and now that he’s getting older, maybe less”.

          Who cares what he does at age 33-35? First off, the Marlins didn’t seem to be too concerned w/ his age since they offered him a 4 year deal. My issue isn’t the fact that they traded him. It’s that they simply didn’t get anywhere near enough in return. Therefore what he does at age 33-35 is someone elses concern. And even the Braves right now are not looking past what he will do in 2011 and 2012.

          You say that Uggla’s last 3 years have been stagnant but others would see it as 3 consistant all-star caliber years w/ 31 hrs, .265/.360 production from a 2B.

          Infante’s greatest asset is his versatility. You make him an everday player at 1 position and suddenly he isn’t as special anymore.

          -“When it comes to organizational control, it is likely that Uggla is a one year rental for the Braves, due to his salary demands. Infante is also in a salary-drive year, but is eminently more signable by a small-market team like the Marlins. Also, if there is a reason to move either player at the deadline, the Braves will likely have to eat some salary to get any worth for Uggla, while the Marlins will get good value for Infante, without the extra payout”.

          As long as Uggla is hitting 30 hrs as a 2B he WILL NOT be difficult to move. He made $7.8 mil this year. Maybe thru arb he’ll make $10 mil? I doubt the Marlins would have to eat much and whatever they did eat, it would help them get better prospects in return.

    • YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

      Can we please stop using WAR in an apples and orange comparison. Brett Gardner had a 5.4 WAR and Joe Mauer had a 5.1. Does it mean Gardner is more valuable to a team than Mauer? Of course not.

      Dan Uggla was an all-star. What’s one way I know the Marlins valued him as such? They were willing to pay him 4/$48? Suddenly it becomes obvious Uggla wants more $$$ or years than they are willing to spend so they trade him for a 29 yo career super utility player who just came off of a career year and an unproven lefty relief pitcher who has a history of walking too many batters. You can certainly make the case that Infante might be an upgrade at 2B but that isn’t the issue. The issue SHOULD be maximizing the value that you get for a HUGE commodity like a power hitting 2B like Uggla. Uggla should’ve easily netted 1 top 50 prospect along with 2 bottom 10 organizational prospects whom the Marlins would have for 6 years of control. Instead they have Dunn and a 29 yo INF who will be a FA in 2 years. I just can’t believe that with 3 1/2 months left before ST that they could not have gotten better offers from 5-7 other teams.

    • BravesAndTigers 5 years ago

      I know I’m biased, but it’s nice to notice that not one person has liked any of your posts in this convo, and everyone else has argued against you.

      You need to stop treating WAR like the god of stats. As said, it doesn’t transfer well sometimes.

  37. 2010:Dan Uggla – 3.7 WAROmar Infante – 2.9Mike Dunn – 0.4On the face of it, this deal may be a wash.

    WAR values per BB-ref

  38. Yep. I figure they lost about .4 WAR and saved themselves about 4 million. Not a bad deal. It’s a winning play.

  39. The_Silver_Stacker 5 years ago

    Props to the Braves, the probablly felt Omar’s value was at his highest peak and cashed in on it and Dunn was expendable

    • MarlinsMaaku 5 years ago

      You have no idea how bad the Marlins bullpen is . Dunn is a jewel compared
      to those mutts

    • MarlinsMaaku 5 years ago

      You have no idea how bad the Marlins bullpen is . Dunn is a jewel compared
      to those mutts

  40. Hoosierdaddy92 5 years ago

    great move by the Braves. with prado leading off and a 3-4-5 of Uggla, Heyward, and McCann is good enough to compete with anybody

    • Prado/Heyward/Jones/Uggla/McCann would be my bet. R/L/S/R/L That’s a pretty magnificent to exhaust bullpens. and with Gonzo, Freeman, and McLouth at the end?
      R/L/S/R/L/R/L/L. Our offense is looking magnificent, too bad our defense is now going to be absolutely horrendous behind Venters, Hudson, Hanson, Moylan and any other groundball pitchers we acquire.

      Anyone looked at Venters’ GO/AO from last year? 6.00

      • Hoosierdaddy92 5 years ago

        I would switch Chipper and Heyward at this point in Chipper’s career. Heyward has MASSIVE power hitting potential, I think he would be best utilized batting in the heart of the order. But I can understand you’re argument for 2nd, his OBP was also remarkable for a rookie, so pitchers clearly already fear him.

      • 14 Rocks 5 years ago

        I wouldn’t be surprised if the Braves trade for a defensive type CF who can hit lead-off and possibly platoon with McLouth. Someone like Rajai Davis or Tony Gwynn. In any event, Chipper needs to be moved from the #3 spot in the order.

        My proposal:
        McLouth+New RH CF/Prado/Heyward/Uggla/McCann/Jones/Gonzalez/Freeman

        I doubt Fredi has the guts to move Chipper down that far but I think that would be the best batting order. You have the best three power hitters on the team sandwiched between two guys who will have good averages, good OBP plus a little power.

  41. Double Post

  42. bradleybear 5 years ago

    Marlin’s trying to mimic the giants. Not as concerned with the hitting, but improve fielding and fix up that bullpen. Now they have gotten 4 more arms in a few days for their bullpen and a replacement second baseman. If they can hold teams down a tad with their middle relief they should improve. They spend no money. On the other hand, Uggla was a great move for the Braves.

  43. phillies3426 5 years ago

    trading him to a division rival is retarded. he will probably kill them every time these two teams play each other all year.

  44. BravesAndTigers 5 years ago

    I have seen a lot of pro-Marlin arguments here (saying that the deal was even), a lot more than I expected, actually (I was prepared to see a lot of jokes, lol), but I think what a lot of people are forgetting is that this was an intra-division trade. They just traded one of the top 2B in the league to a fellow division team. That, alone, makes this a bad trade for FLA.

    Besides that… I liked Dunn, and Omar was great this year, but as said, Omar most likely just had his best season, and Dunn has control issues. One year rental of a top 5 2B vs. a make-or-break arm and a utility man? I’d take the Braves side any time.

  45. cejc21 5 years ago

    it was the best trade Wren has made as a GM, i woudnt say its even because Omar will not have another year like 2010, Dunn is good but we have lefties Venters and O Flaherty in the pen that’s why we traded Dunn.

  46. cejc21 5 years ago

    right now i would get Scott Podsednik to play CF and leadoff, we need speed a top the lineup and he’s cheap and get a veteran righty reliever like Kevin Gregg or Kerry Wood but dont know how expensive they would be, maybe Manny Corpas, Dan Wheeler or JJ Putz

  47. cejc21 5 years ago

    right now i would get Scott Podsednik to play CF and leadoff, we need speed a top the lineup and he’s cheap and get a veteran righty reliever like Kevin Gregg or Kerry Wood but dont know how expensive they would be, maybe Manny Corpas, Dan Wheeler or JJ Putz

  48. Yes it would take that much. Justin Upton has put up almost 8 WAR in his first 3 seasons. He has top 10 trade value in the entire league. But I digress… Keep thinking that because you fleeced one crapp GM, you’ll fleece another with fantasy baseball trades.

  49. vinnieg 5 years ago

    yes it would take that much. It might take more. Uptons younger than most of the prospects in your system already. Hes got 5 more affordable years. I cant think of many hitters with more value them him.

  50. DickAlmighty 5 years ago

    It would absolutely take that much, and maybe more, to get Upton. Upton’s signed for five more years for $49.5 million. Total bargain. Dealing for Upton will be ten times harder than trying to pry Adrian Gonzalez away from the Pads last season; Gonzo was only under the Pads control for two more seasons.

    You don’t get a stud OF who is under a team-friendly five-year deal by giving up anything less than Prado, Teheran, Delgado, and probably Freeeman as well (although I think the D-Backs have a stud 1B in the pipeline, so they may not be as interested in Freeman).

  51. Actually you’d say the Rangers or the Rays, but good try.

  52. Ferrariman 5 years ago

    easy answer. it doesn’t.

  53. itlynstalyn 5 years ago

    Answer: it doesn’t.

  54. It makes as much sense as it did the first two times they had a fire sale. Trade expensive players for players that are under control for longer periods of time. What;s the worst that could happen? You get 3,000 “fans” booing you at home games?

  55. sojuboi 5 years ago

    I’ll have to disagree. I read the Braves are the team that are most able to pull off a trade for J. Upton, since he won’t be traded to anyone in the NL West.

  56. bjsguess 5 years ago

    Crappy GM? The Marlins consistently do more with less than any other team in baseball. Piss on the owners and the lack of fan support all you want but the guys running the ship do an amazing job maximizing their resources.

    — Not a Marlins fan

  57. TomahawkChoppin609 5 years ago

    There is no way in hell the Braves would even deal Teheran straight up for Upton and for arguments sake, they were to offer Teheran straight up, the Diamondbacks would be all over it.

  58. LioneeR 5 years ago

    echo….

  59. ‘notsureifsrs’

  60. FunkyTime 5 years ago

    And I promptly proceeded to double post my first post …

  61. FunkyTime 5 years ago

    LOL. That was hilarious. I registered just to give you props.

  62. Isn’t that the thing though? EVERY deal has to be looked at in payroll perspective, doesn’t it? The Marlins aren’t the Yankees and they have to budget. They lose the best player in the deal, obviously, but they’re probably a better team for it.

  63. Katsumara 5 years ago

    Oh god, I laughed so hard at this.

  64. tomymogo 5 years ago

    Buck is a good pick, but they need to sign a quality closer. Soriano, or Wood whoever of those two would be great. Wood is cheaper. But if they continue with they’re plan to play Coghlan in CF, I don’t see them winning the East. If they play Coghlan at 2B, Infante at 3B, and Scott Cousins in CF, I like they’re chances.

  65. They’re most able because they have a RETARDED amount of pitching depth in the minors.Wait a second… I’m missing something here… don’t the Dbacks have a serious problem… what is it again?Oh yeah, they literally have zero pitching. Seems as though the Dbacks might be interested to improve their by far league-worst bullpen from last year.

  66. csg 5 years ago

    .301SLG/.643OPS …is pretty awful

  67. moonraker45 5 years ago

    They easily could have gotten an mlb ready catching prospect in exchange for ugglaThat would have saved them the money on Uggla and the ridiculously overpayment for buck. then they could have signed a loogy and back up infielder on the market for 2-3 mil a piece.No matter how you slice it, this was a poor deal

  68. YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

    Yanks have just petitioned to have part of their revenue sharing and luxury tax money earmarked for the Marlins returned and redistributed to the other small market teams that actually care.

    Ok, I was joking. I know they offered Uggs 4/48. However, they could have easily have gotten some decent prospects in return for lge minimum salary.AA in Toronto has to be sitting their dumfounded saying “B….But…but I would have given them more than that. How come they didn’t ask me first?”

  69. YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

    I dig that you really like Teheran but Just Up is an elite talent also as a 23 yo RF w/ a 20/20 season already under his belt.

  70. Looking at the slugging % of a player with no power but tons of speed and incredible defense is really insightful. Or not.

  71. TomahawkChoppin609 5 years ago

    Upton is def an elite talent and make no mistake, the Braves need a player just like him on their team, but trading away a top notch pitching prospect like Teheran for Justin Upton would be regrettable

  72. austinhb 5 years ago

    As a braves fan i would tell you i would do it, but you must understand how braves fans are, its rare a 19 year old phenom just falls into your lap and is a projected #1 starter.. People were saying they wouldnt trade teheran for braun…….

  73. Infante can’t play 3B for isht, did you see the playoffs?

  74. Infante can’t play 3B for isht, did you see the playoffs?

  75. IIMadzII 5 years ago

    MLB ready like Maybin and Miller?

  76. IIMadzII 5 years ago

    MLB ready like Maybin and Miller?

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