Jays The Favorite For Uggla, Rox Priced Out?

After having their four-year, $48MM extension offer to Dan Uggla rejected, the Marlins seem intent on trading their second baseman. Uggla has his faults; he's not a gifted defender, strikes out in more than one of every four plate appearances for his career, and he's due a nice raise on his $7.8MM salary for 2010. What Uggla does best is hit the ball far, and hit the ball hard. He's never hit fewer than 27 home runs, and has topped 31 long balls in each of the past four seasons.

ESPN's Buster Olney tweets that two rival executives have told him Toronto would be the favorite to acquire Uggla in a trade, should the Marlins indeed follow through on their trade intentions.

The Blue Jays may not seem the most apparent fit at first, given Aaron Hill's presence, however they could intend on moving Uggla to third base. And Uggla certainly fits in with the Blue Jays' mold from 2010. Toronto led the Majors with 257 home runs, and the club parted ways with third baseman Edwin Encarnacion earlier in the week.

Toronto also has a depth of pitching talent available, something that other teams no doubt covet. While the Marlins have acquired three young relievers in the past week (Ryan Webb, Edward Mujica, and Dustin Richardson), they'll no doubt still be on the lookout for young, controllable talent in any return for Uggla.

In a second tweet, Olney also notes that the Rockies were interested in acquiring Uggla midseason in 2010, but the Marlins slugger is likely to be too expensive for their tastes now.


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286 Comments on "Jays The Favorite For Uggla, Rox Priced Out?"


xfipMachine
4 years 9 months ago

Rzepczynski, plus?

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

He doesn’t have much value…Here are the two ideas I came up with…

Carlos Perez, Danny Farquahar, and Brad Emaus

Jake Marisnick, Michael McDade, Trystan Magnuson, and Matt Daly.

4 years 9 months ago

That first package seems a little heavy and the 2nd one a little light. Though I suppose I wouldn’t be at all shocked to see Arencibia or D’Arnaud + one of the arms.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

I could actually see Arencibia and Farquahar going to Florida

BlueJays45
4 years 9 months ago

Arencibia is worth much more than Uggla. Lets remember…he’d only be here for a year. Florida got barely anything for Maybin who I personally feel is a more valuable asset looking ahead then Uggla, not to mention I believe Maybin’s locked up for 3 years or so.

buckeye3232
4 years 9 months ago

How does Arencibia have more value then Uggla? Arencibia is not a proven pro.. Uggla is

JKGocha
4 years 9 months ago

Arencibia has more potential, his age, his contract value etc
plus hes a catcher.. how many catchers u think can hit over 30 hr or could possible hit 30 hr. Arencibia can!

BlueJays45
4 years 9 months ago

Exactly my point, Arencibia has proven his worth, I believe it was ESPN saying his first career start was the best they’ve ever seen? You really would give up 4 plus years with an offensively gifted catcher for one year with a guy that strikes out every 3 at bats? Some people don’t understand the value of prospects.

BlueJays45
4 years 9 months ago

I’d say Rzep plus Emaus, but since the Marlins seem to want bullpen help Trystan Magnuson maybe an attractive prospect.

Infield Fly
4 years 9 months ago

Wow…if this is true it could really be a sweet bat for the Jays — although with his level of defense it couldn’t hurt to have him DH sometimes.

4 years 9 months ago

He’s not amazing, but i’ve seen worst as far as defence is concerned.
With Adam Lind playing first base, Uggla and Macdonald could alternate at 3B.
(I really liked Macdonald at the end of the year) Of course Uggla would get most of the job. Hill was also fine being moved to third base if my memory is right?

4 years 9 months ago

John McDonald playing routinely for you is not a recipe for success in the AL East. Sorry. And I’m as big a Johnny Mac fan as you will find.

Encarnacion's Parrot
4 years 9 months ago

His defense couldn’t be any worse than E5’s.

4 years 9 months ago

JP Arencibia and Mark Rzep? Zach Stewart and Eric Thames?Henderson Alvarez, Jeremy Accardo and Darin Mastroianni?Just spitballing here…

4 years 9 months ago

Those are fair combos, I think. I wouldn’t go anywhere near Marcum, Romero, Cecil.

JKGocha
4 years 9 months ago

we are talking about Uggla…..
i hope you see wat ATL gave up to get him…
which is pretty much nothing!

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

Mastroianni’s numbers are a little bit decieving…He’s almost 26 and his SB’s are really the best aspect of his game. I’m not sure the Marlins want anything to do with Accardo and Alvarez isn’t really the top prospect he was…Thames plays the position horrible and Zep doesn’t have much value…

Carlos Perez, Danny Farquahar, and Brad Emaus

Jake Marisnick, Michael McDade, Trystan Magnuson, and Matt Daly.

Those were the two I thought of I posted them up top.

Encarnacion's Parrot
4 years 9 months ago

Mastroianni should have been in atleast AAA this year – he probably only stuck in AA due to the playoff run.

He’s also 26 next August, so not quite almost.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

My bad, not “almost”, but 25 isn’t exactly prospect status. And he had a great season, I saw him play a lot, but he isn’t as good as his stats suggest…I wouldn’t want him as the centerpiece if I’m the Marlins.

Encarnacion's Parrot
4 years 9 months ago

I wouldn’t want him as a centerpiece either, but he’s a nice part in a trade. He also seems to get on base very well, prototypical of a lead-off guy. He is a little old for a prospect, but so is Eric Thames and most Jays fans, including me, are high on him.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

his grandma is also really nice to me!

Encarnacion's Parrot
4 years 9 months ago

Does she bake awesome cookies?

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

Not sure, but I’ll make sure to ask next time the Fisher Cats are playing in Trenton.

bonestock94
4 years 9 months ago

Uggla seems like a perfect blue jay. A lot of power and homers, (usually) low BA and OBP.

4 years 9 months ago

His OBP over last 3 seasons is .360. Sad as it is, that’s actually pretty high for a Blue Jay.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

Explain to me how a .360 OBP is “sad”?

I think he would be a perfect Blue Jay.

4 years 9 months ago

The sad part was that it qualifies as high for the BJs.

4 years 9 months ago

.360 is actually pretty high for any team, given the league average is in the .330’s.

The article mentions that Uggla could be moved to third, but I think Aaron Hill at 3rd might be a better choice given his above-average arm but declining range.

4 years 9 months ago

80-90 walks and .360 OBP is low? Plus the power?

bonestock94
4 years 9 months ago

Take out his high BABIP ’10 season and his career average OBP is pretty meh. I’m not saying he’s bad, just that his repertoire reminds me of of the 2010 Jays.

Ryan T Cain
4 years 9 months ago

huh?

last three years has been .360, .354, and .369.

very decent for a 2b or 3b.

Slopeboy
4 years 9 months ago

Not much different than his Fielding Percentage.

(Forgive me, I just couldn’t resist)

4 years 9 months ago

he is a type A FA he will get a good return of at least a top ready spec/young arm as he will be worth 2 1st rounders not to mention he is open to an extension.

4 years 9 months ago

Correction: He is open to an extension on mostly his terms. (He wants 5 years)

4 years 9 months ago

For a team that can in the future if need stick him at DH that would be fine. After all he is good for a 340s OBP, 30HR and about 80-100 RBI’s. I think in the parks of the AL East He would be even better.

Either way the fish will get some good value for him most likely they will want to look for a CF or a good young mlb ready arm

RAWagman
4 years 9 months ago

Rzepczynski would be a good bet as the centrepiece. I would think the Marlins would love to get a good prospect at an up-the-middle position. Maybe Justin Jackson? Brad Emaus? Kenny Wilson? Antonio Jimenez?

4 years 9 months ago

Justin Jackson is not a good prospect.

deere5800
4 years 9 months ago

Unless you’re asking Richard Griffin…the guy loved Jackson

RAWagman
4 years 9 months ago

Not good, but the right kind of fielder – he has a better chance at progressing in another organization anyway

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

I agree, he is too overvalued and really only thrived in the GCL.

Zuidvogels
4 years 9 months ago

What about one of Toronto’s young abundant SP for Uggla?

marlinsfanatic
4 years 9 months ago

Drabek

eviola1
4 years 9 months ago

Don’t bring his name in the conversation, especially if it is only for 1-yr of Uggla.

4 years 9 months ago

HAHA you wish….. you’d be better off taking Aarencibia and D’Arnaud

4 years 9 months ago

An infield with Hill, Escobar, and Uggla would be pretty impressive for the Jays. Also, Adeiny Hechavarria is waiting in the wings. Kind of off topic, but is David Cooper a serious prospect? I have heard some pretty good things about him… But he isn’t really mentioned as a top prospect, although in 2009 he was a top 10 prospect ( in the Jays system, not all of baseball) according to baseball america.

4 years 9 months ago

Cooper was only ever considered a good prospect by BA because they take draft position into account whether or not the player deserved to be drafted when he was. Cooper’s a bum; his best-case projection is Lyle Overbay with less walks and below-average defence at 1st base. I’ll be amazed if he ever becomes a major league regular.

4 years 9 months ago

He had a horrible 2009 and then didn’t play all that well in 2010. He did start to hit better towards the back half of the season, but he really needs to have a good 2011 in order to not completely fall off the map.

mozelpuffski
4 years 9 months ago

rzep and maybe austin (correction – was stoned: justin) jackson as a throw in? mills or cooper?

HerbertAnchovy
4 years 9 months ago

I think you’re mistaken; Austin Jackson is with The Tigers. Justin Jackson perhaps?

4 years 9 months ago

Heh. I assume he meant Justin, but he has no real value at this point.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

jays should just call austin jackson up, he’s the speedy lead off outfielder we need!

mozelpuffski
4 years 9 months ago

rzep doesnt have much value??? he is a young controllable arm with mid rotation potential. probably best starter outside of our projected 5 next year: marcum, morrow, romero, cecil, drabek.

4 years 9 months ago

not enough to get a 30 hr hitting 2nd baseman as a centerpiece. More then likely it would be one of the projected 5 for next year that the fish would want honestly.

4 years 9 months ago

For one year of Uggla at $10M+? If that’s the type of return they’re looking for, I imagine they’d have a hard time trading him. Scrabble put up a 9.5 K/9 in the minors and in 25 games (23 starts) in the AL East as a 23 and 24 year old, he had an 8.4 K/9 and a 4.32 ERA. He needs to cut down on the walks a bit, but he DEFINITELY has trade value (especially to an NL club)

4 years 9 months ago

I’d much rather have Zach Stewart than Rzep.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

I could name 10 starting pitchers in the Jays organization who I would rather have than Zep not named Drabek, Marcum, Cecil, Morrow.

Drew Hutchinson
Joel Carreno
Zach Stewart
Asher Wojciechowski
Aaron Sanchez
Henderson Alvarez
Deck McGuire
Griffin Murphy
Noah Syndergaard
Adonis Cardona.

4 years 9 months ago

I agree with you on about half. Some of those guys are too far off / unknown at this point. I think Rzep at the minimum would be a #5 in the NL.

4 years 9 months ago

I dont see him beating out west for the number 5 spot for us. He would not be an upgrade and enough to trade off a year of an all star 2nd baseman and 2 1st round picks

Sniderlover
4 years 9 months ago

I fail to see how Hutch, Carreno, or even Cardona have more value than Zep? He’s shown he can pitch in the big leagues. Was solid in 09 and was solid towards the end of ’10. He is still inconsistent but he has strikeout stuff while those guys are perhaps average prospects. Heck, has Cardona even pitched in A ball yet?

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

I think delivery problems will prevent him from being a Major League Starter and I don’t like his stuff or command despite dominating the Yankees in his last start.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

Never said they had more value. Just said they would be more wanted in trades.

ju1ced
4 years 9 months ago

Well sorry, you’re wrong.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

half of those guys cant be traded at this point because they were just drafted/signed

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

Yes, but I wasn’t talking about trades. Just pitchers who are better and who I’d rather have in my organization.

4 years 9 months ago

better? based on what?

4 years 9 months ago

Ya, but you have made it readily clear a number of times that you are not high on Zep.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

I’m not

mozelpuffski
4 years 9 months ago

you should be – only person on your list that is anywhere near where he is today is Zach Stewart and he is not ready to pitch a full mlb season. and if that is who the fish want for uggla; AA would say good day and good luck. He will be in the mix for either Rasmus or Grienke.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

Not at all. He is extremely overrated and wouldn’t fetch Greinke or Rasmus at all in my opinion.

4 years 9 months ago

Where would they put Uggla???

Encarnacion's Parrot
4 years 9 months ago

Pitcher. They could never have enough.

4 years 9 months ago

Oh I don’t know, Third base?

4 years 9 months ago

Yeah and while your at it sign Matsui and put him in CF, If he’s bad on 2nd he’s going to be worse on 3rd

4 years 9 months ago

You’ve got the defensive spectrum backwards, pal.

Sniderlover
4 years 9 months ago

I’d be fine with getting him unless we’re giving up a whole lot.

But I still don’t understand how it makes sense to acquire him unless the Jays are going to go out and sign Crawford and other FA to make a push for the playoffs.

4 years 9 months ago

A) Crawford isn’t coming to the Jays (AA won’t match Angels’ highest bid, Carl doesn’t like turf.
B) Who says this is AA’s only move?
C) Jays may very well compete with Uggla at 3B. Or even offer him an extension.
D) If they tank at beginning of year, AA can trade Uggla at deadline.
E) Or hang onto him and get picks at end of year.

I can go on…. I’m so tired of hearing Jays fans go “we’ll compete in 2 years”. Every year I hear this, enough already.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

Actually, I’m starting to think that the only reason why they want to get Uggla is to get picks at the end of next year.

4 years 9 months ago

Which isn’t as good an idea as it sounds, depending on what they give up. If the prospects they give up have a similar ceiling to what they’ll get in an A pick (I assume Uggla will be an A type when he’s a FA), than they lost out. It’s better to have the more developed prospect.The picks are nice to fall back on, but I agree that the only reason to trade for Uggla is if you think you can compete.

4 years 9 months ago

We can compete. All of our top four starters showed flashes of extreme brilliance last year, and they’re all young. Marcum is the oldest, and he’s not even that old at all. Drabek is young and untested, but has a high ceiling with his stuff. Offensively, we have nothing to worry about, especially if the Jays get Uggla. Our only problem is the bullpen. And that’s a serious problem.

If Pettitte retires/ the Yankees don’t sign Cliff, they’re going to struggle.

The Rays are losing Crawford and Pena, both excellent defenders, and Crawford an offensive beast. Again a loss.

Red Sox will improve next season, a lot.

Orioles need not be mentioned.

marlinsfanatic
4 years 9 months ago

“unless we’re giving up a lot”

Are you kidding? Dan Uggla is one of the best offensive 2B in baseball and you don’t think they will have to give up a lot. The Marlins don’t even have to trade him they could sign him for one year and then recieve their draft picks. You can bet that the Marlins will be asking for Drabek. If they don’t get him I think the Marlins interest for trading with the Jays will disappear. The Marlins already stated that they are asking for a big time player in a deal.

4 years 9 months ago

“You can bet that the Marlins will be asking for Drabek”And then you can bet that the Jays GM will hang up the phone after. Then again, you were the guy that said that the Marlins should trade Dan Uggla for Colby Rasmus.

rzepczynski
4 years 9 months ago

your out of your mind if you think they will give up drabek…. dan ugla for 10plus for one year…. and best offensive secxond basemen? he would be the worst second basemen in the AL east… maybe tied for last as roberts, cano, and pedroa are all better, and marlins are cheap they wont want to spend 10 mill on him this year

marlinsfanatic
4 years 9 months ago

They offered him 12 mil a year and he said no. Nice try trying to call the Marlins cheap there.

4 years 9 months ago

I’m enjoying your passion for the Marlins. However, there is no way Drabek gets traded to the Marlins. Book it. Drabek projects as a top of the rotation starter. Uggla has one year left on his contract and a high salary.

deere5800
4 years 9 months ago

If it’s Drabek or nothing than the fish are being narrow minded…there are plenty of interesting prospects and possible trade combinations with the Jays

4 years 9 months ago

i agree, very unlikely to trade a single bluechip prospect for an established major leaguer. more likely to be some kind of convoluted multiplayer, perhaps even multiteam, deal. AA is crafty, so it will probably be something unexpected

uggla has great numbers, as close as you can get to a shoe-in 30HR 90RBI guy. yet he has had a couple nasty years with the BA, and i wonder how his numbers translate in the AL east. he seems to be an aaron hill doppleganger (assuming aaron’s BA returns to respectability next year), but with worse D.

eviola1
4 years 9 months ago

lol nooooo

marlinsfanatic
4 years 9 months ago

You guy don’t have a clue haha.

Sniderlover
4 years 9 months ago

No that would be you.

Why would Jays trade Drabek for Uggla at all? They barely got him for Halladay with extension and Uggla meanwhile is a rental and pretty crappy defensively at 2nd base.

Wishful thinking.

marlinsfanatic
4 years 9 months ago

I’m not saying they would I said that the Marlins would ASK for that.

Sniderlover
4 years 9 months ago

And they would get REJECTED.

4 years 9 months ago

“Barely”? I think it should have been Dom Brown plus Drabek for Halladay

Sniderlover
4 years 9 months ago

Should have been… but did we get it? We asked for it but we were rejected.

4 years 9 months ago

lol nothing. uggla is a hell of a player, and worth it.

4 years 9 months ago

His defense isn’t worth anything

4 years 9 months ago

I think it would be totally fair to judge Uggla based on his play in the all-star game two years ago.

That being said, the fabled power of Mike Jacos will do for Uggla, straight up.

bonestock94
4 years 9 months ago

loooooooooooooooooool

4 years 9 months ago

an uggla-nunez package would be nice seeing as the jays are also in the market for a closer, tho the pricetag increases of course

Jays4life
4 years 9 months ago

i would love Uggla but im not sure he fits the jays mold now unless they can sign him to an extension. He is 30 which is not old but not young either. 1 yr left then is a fa…doesnt hit for a high average or have a ton of speed…another power bat which im not sure we nec need i guess it depends on what we have to give up to get him.

I would move uggla to 3rd and let hill play 2nd. Hecheverria is gonna be the 2nd baseman of the future so why switch hill and then uggla to 2nd in a year when hech is ready. I think hill will be dealt next year if he rebounds esp if they get uggla.

4 years 9 months ago

Why would they put him on 3rd if he was terrible on 2nd base, thats like putting a Matsui type fielder in CF

4 years 9 months ago

Repeating the same thing over and over again doesn’t make it any less wrong.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

or funnier

4 years 9 months ago

Batting average is useless. He gets on-base more than any Blue Jay other than Jose Bautista (last year). Which is EXACTLY what the Jays need. Also Hecheverria is the SS of the future not 2B.

Jays4life
4 years 9 months ago

actually the jays plan on switchin hech to 2nd base next year so to me that means he is the second baseman of the future, plan is to keep escobar and his strong arm at short….either way i would still move uggla to 3rd

4 years 9 months ago

“actually the jays plan on switchin hech to 2nd base next year”

Post me your source on this.

Jays4life
4 years 9 months ago

it was on a prime time sports show with bob mccown talking to a jays front office guy. they asked the possibility on why hill would be moved to third and if esco would move, the jays guy said the future is esco at short and hech at 2nd atm and hech is gonna play there next year…ill try and find the link for that particular show

HerbertAnchovy
4 years 9 months ago

You’ve got it backwards. It’s been suggested that if Hechavarria was ready while Escobar was still around Escobar would probably move to 2B.

4 years 9 months ago

Please do not take McCown’s word as a serious baseball source. Thank you. Escobar will probably be on his way out when Hech is ready full time.

HerbertAnchovy
4 years 9 months ago

Agreed. I think McCown likes the sound of his own voice!

4 years 9 months ago

Remember when McCown said than Kyle Drabek sucks compared to Mark Rzep? Ugh.

Jays4life
4 years 9 months ago

that is true. I see the potential drabek has i for one am not completely sold he is ace material though. I guessi havent watched too much of him so that could be why but going strickly by the numbers, Zack Stewart outpiched Drabek in double a this year but yet Drabek is considered alot higher then stewart. I have heard alot about both pitchers and would consider both elite prospect for the jays pitching arms.

Am i wrong in this assumtion??

mozelpuffski
4 years 9 months ago

you need to learn about sarcasm.

4 years 9 months ago

The Jays are switching Hech to second? Who told you that bullocks?

mozelpuffski
4 years 9 months ago

DJF kindof says the same thing. surprised me too. i thought hech was SS of future and that is how we signed him over the yanks (he did not want to be behind jeter) mind you yanks also indicated they want to convert him to o/f not 2nd so that could have been the deal breaker not moving from ss to 2b.

Meatball1
4 years 9 months ago

I don’t know… Uggla’s career numbers are very unattractive at the Rogers Centre…

4 years 9 months ago

And exactly how many games has he played there? 6? Ever heard of sample sizes dude?

Meatball1
4 years 9 months ago

the answer is three. you take everything on here a little too serious bud. obviously it was joke.

4 years 9 months ago

It’s sometimes hard to tell the serious posts from the joke ones… Sorry!

Meatball1
4 years 9 months ago

Now here’s a career line I like – .310/.414./.776 at AT&T Park

blackandorangepride
4 years 9 months ago

now that is awesome my friend don’t forget to include 8 homeruns

rzepczynski
4 years 9 months ago

sounds like AA grabbing a player who the marlins cannot afford worst case scenario he walks and Jays get compensation pics, hecouldget shipped at the deadline after he joins right handed home run hitting pradise AKA Rogers centre, or get resigned…. no way he nets any of the starting 5 including drabek… Rzep, Alvarez, thames/emaus…. get it done

marlinsfanatic
4 years 9 months ago

? no way he lands one of the starting 5? hahaha

4 years 9 months ago

Is Mike Stanton involved in the trade too?

marlinsfanatic
4 years 9 months ago

Have you ever watched one Marlin game Hullo? Uggla is one hell of a player. If you think the Marlins are going to get rzepczynski or some mediocre prspect you have to be CRAZY. Uggla better almost .290 with 30 bombs and 100 RBI. Most of you blue jay fans have no idea how good Uggla is with your trade speculations. Drabek will be what the Marlins are asking for without a doubt.

4 years 9 months ago

Oh I understand quite well how good Uggla is. But the fact remains that it is one year at 10$ million for Dan Uggla. That doesn’t take a blue-chip prospect; a top 50 prospect yes. (D’Arnaud, Stewart, etc). The Marlins can ask for Kyle Drabek, but AA won’t trade him for Dan Uggla.

marlinsfanatic
4 years 9 months ago

Uggla will not be a Blue Jay then. Plain and simple.

Andy Mc
4 years 9 months ago

Can I rent your crystal ball, sir? The jays have a bunch of very good SP prospects and MLB ready (controllable) arms. You wouldn’t want guys like Henderson Alvarez, Zach Stewart or Marc Rzepczynski? You, my friend, are being ridiculous.

Sniderlover
4 years 9 months ago

Lol okay… I’m sure the Jays will live.

You can ASK for it but it certainly doesn’t mean you will get it from the Jays or any team. No team is going to give up a top 25 prospect for a rental who is all offense.

illnath
4 years 9 months ago

I can’t wait to see you after Marlins get mediocre prospects in return for Uggla

illnath
4 years 9 months ago

I can’t wait to see marlinsfanatic after Marlins get mediocre prospects in return for Uggla

4 years 9 months ago

Yeah but Uggla is midiocre defender at best, his numbers will most likely go down from last season, especially since not only will he be in the AL, but he’ll be in the AL East and would have to see pitchers like CC, Lester, Price, and MAYBE Pettitte, Cliff Lee, a Beckett that won’t be as bad as last years, Garza, Matusz and much more so you have to put that into consideration

4 years 9 months ago

totally harder then halladay, santana, hamels, etc etc in the nl east and hitting in a pitchers park. To be fair he would most likely hit more homeruns there in toronto also his numbers for walks have been increasing on the trend.

I am not saying he will be a top 5 player but he will be a very good player for the jays.

Lincecum_Says_GSP
4 years 9 months ago

I love how people believe that the teams outside the AL East have inferior pitching… come to the NL West or NL East and see how deep the pitching goes. Plugging Uggla in that Jays lineup would be a huge boost for them and would make them a legit threat to win the East. No he’s not worth a Drabek but the Marlins should get a nice package of players from which ever team he goes to.

I just wish the Giants could figure out a way to make Uggla work with the guys they already have locked up because they could put together a nice package around some of the relievers (Romo, Runzler) plus a prospect.

4 years 9 months ago

The simple fact that you’re only one-for-three on quoting actual useful baseball statistics here precludes any chance at credibility you might have had. No modern baseball braintrust cares about batting average or RBI’s when they can look at OBP or OPS+.

4 years 9 months ago

Look over his OPS+ and OPS over the past 3-4 years, they are perfectly fine. I never understood why fans of teams seem to downgrade players when they want to trade for him as if the GM’s are reading the board waiting for us to propose the best deals (not directed at you in particular pike).

I can only go off of hat I have seen of the players on both teams from watching the fish down here in florida and watching the yanks play the jays when I can.

All of that said the fish will be searching for pitching as a centerpiece most likely as they always seem to. I disagree with fanatic as I do not see drabek going anywhere at all.

4 years 9 months ago

Oh no, I wasn’t saying Uggla wasn’t a great hitter (especially for a middle infielder.) I was just objecting to the valuation of a player based on his batting average and RBI’s. You’re absolutely right that Uggla puts up outstanding numbers in both OBP and OPS+, and I think he’d be a great pickup for the Jays if he doesn’t cost Drabek. I really don’t want to see them move Marisnick or McDade in an Uggla trade either, but obviously you have to give to get. Sorry for any misunderstanding.

4 years 9 months ago

Just think about it. AA does not see the Jays as a contender right now. Presumably adding Uggla does not put you over the top. So why would he mortgage the future by trading away one of their top 5 pitching arms, all of which are well under team control? It wouldn’t make any sense, particularly because Uggla only has one year left.

4 years 9 months ago

Nooo don’t trade yourself!

4 years 9 months ago

dont think money is the issue if the fish just offered him 4 years 48 million. Again the fish have a need for a starter, a CF, and some extra arms for the bp (really handled already with the 3 already picked up).

They will ask for along for him as worst case they keep him and trade him midseason for a good amount or lose him after the season for 2 1st rounders. The fish are not trading from weakness.

Do I expect a ransom? Nope, but they should get a good amount from the trade.

nelson_c
4 years 9 months ago

I think it wouldn’t be out of the realm of possibility that Lind or Hill could be going the other way. Both are signed to fairly inexpensive contracts. The fish still are trying to compete, as evident in the Maybin trade and offering Uggla 4/$12MM.

4 years 9 months ago

Why would Toronto give up on Lind at his absolute lowest value for a pending FA who wants a monster contract and is 30 years old?

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

Just because they offered uggla that contract doesn’t mean they are in the market to spend 50 million on a contract..

It makes much more sense to get back cheap controllable players whenever possible, being the marlins it just makes that much more sense..

and not to mention lind isn’t field tested so i doubt marlins ask for him not knowing if he could stick at 1st or lf for a full season.

baseballdude
4 years 9 months ago

that sux

4 years 9 months ago

Whoever thinks Uggla is going to play 3rd base must be smoking something, Uggla won’t play 3rd because if he does he probably will break the record for most errors in MLB history

4 years 9 months ago

Jays fans have had to watch Edwin Encarnacion for the past year and a half. At this point, ANYONE is an upgrade.

iains
4 years 9 months ago

A fence post with a glove hung on it is a defensive upgrade over E5

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

whats the fence posts obp?

iains
4 years 9 months ago

counting hit by pitch, walks and bunts? About the same as E5. Mind you it’s also followed by a a guy with a big hammer.

HerbertAnchovy
4 years 9 months ago

I think you’re smoking something if you think Uggla is better suited to 2B than 3B. Hill, while not stellar, has more range and is better defensively than Uggla at 2B.

illnath
4 years 9 months ago

his defense stinks, that’s why he’s moving to 3rd, which is a relatively easier position. Man, so many retards here.

coachofall
4 years 9 months ago

His arm ranks in the bottom 3rd amongst ML 2B and now we assume he can handle 3rd? I understand he will hit 30 HR’s but I don’t see him being what the Jays need. They would be wise to let their young talent develop and set up for a run in 2012…this isnt the time to trade a Young catcher (Which is what FLA is going to want) or any other young assets for a one year 10 Mil dollar type of player

TheodoreRoosevelt
4 years 9 months ago

Going out on a limb here, but I wonder whether the Jays’ interest in Uggla is linked to the rumours linking Manny with the Jays.

In other words, two low-risk guys who could strengthen the lineup for an outside playoff push. Manny would be a one year deal, with Uggla deadline trade bait/possible extension/extra draft picks.

Escobar (SS)
Snider (LF)
Bautista (RF)
Ramirez (DH)
Wells (CF)
Uggla (3B)
Lind (1B)
Hill (2B)
Arencibia (C)

Heh, that’d be a scary hitting lineup.

Andy Mc
4 years 9 months ago

haha. do you follow me on twitter? :)

TheodoreRoosevelt
4 years 9 months ago

I don’t do The Twitter, but I’ll assume great minds think alike 😉

4 years 9 months ago

My only problem with this is Adam Lind playing 1B. That could be a disaster.

TheodoreRoosevelt
4 years 9 months ago

Agree. But then…it isn’t a “big push” lineup. Uggla and Ramirez would be flexible options, and AA would be continuing to stock the farm with next year’s deep draft. There’s very little to lose, so it could be a good year to find out if Lind’s got what it takes.

4 years 9 months ago

That should have been last year…. I’m so glad Cito gave us a good look at Lind at 1B. At least Overbay will get that big contract now right Clarence? Right?!

TheodoreRoosevelt
4 years 9 months ago

There were more important things to consider, like that kid Tallet getting in his clutch innings.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

Well cito said tallet needed 20 HR’s for his next contract so he kept running him out there until he hit the milestone.

Encarnacion's Parrot
4 years 9 months ago

And Buck needed to pitch in 9th inning situations. Cito can’t hear us because he has 2 WS rings in his ears.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

i love cito, his contributions to the city are undeniable.. but unfortunately, the game evolved far beyond him.

Encarnacion's Parrot
4 years 9 months ago

Agreed, he was walking class and gained the respect of the country, peers and players but the old school mythology just didn’t work the second time ’round. Can’t wait to see what Farrell can do.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

we survived with Delgago.. Lind played 1B in college he’s not that bad

and realistically overbay last year slipped defensively a lot,

either way we’ll survive, i think its really important to get lind out dh spot to free up options.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 9 months ago

I’m unclear as to why the Jays are so hot for Uggla.

a) Do they really need another power but that ko’s over 150 x a year? They already led baseball in HRS and KOs last year and you would think they would rather acquire a solid contact hitter w/ some pop instead. He adds nothing defensively so why make this deal?

b) He’s a FA in 2012. Either they need to extend him starting in his early 30’s – mid 30’s years or he walks and in exchange they get 2 1st rnd picks in place of the bundle of “vetted” prospect they would give up. Being that they aren’t considered an “elite” team yet does this deal make sense for them either in the short-term or long term aspect?

4 years 9 months ago

A) Contact hitters are meaningless. Joe Inglett batted .300 for them, why’d they let him go? Dan Uggla would instantly become top 3 Jay in OBP. Which is what matters.
B) AA trades prospects he doesn’t want for Uggla. He either trades Uggla at deadline for prospects he wants or waits and gets the 2 draft picks which he chooses. What’s not to get?

I am so tired of hearing from Yankee and Red Sox fans about how Toronto, Baltimore, etc should only be going after prospects and not established players since they are so far off.

4 years 9 months ago

Oh and before you respond to “trades prospects he doesn’t want”. I am not saying that the prospects are trash. Just that they are prospects (JP Arencibia for example?) that AA might not be as fond of as other organizations are.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 9 months ago

In response to both your posts.

-Contact hitters are meaningless? Ok, how well did those all or nothing hitters work for you last year? 1st in hrs but among the worst in the AL in OBP, Bat Avg and Hits. You were also middle of the pack in RUNS despite leading in HRS. Now maybe I should’ve explained that by “contact hitter” I meant someone who puts the bat on the ball more, draws walks and doesn’t KO 150 x a year like Uggla does.

-AA trades prospects he doesn’t want? Well it’s not going to be a one sided trade. Marlins are going to want a package of high upside mlb ready prospects. They are not going to accept a deal centered around mlb mid rotation starters already on the arbitration clock. Expect them to ask for some combo of prospects along the line of a Drabek, D’Arnaud, McGuire, Arencibia, Gose and Hechavarria. I can’t imagine a deal happening w/o some of those guys being involved to trust me, AA will have to trade players that he wants.

-And as for their future competitiveness, you haven’t heard me say anything negative about the Jays. They have one of the best young rotations in all of baseball and did a great job of beating the Yanks this year. However, what they lack, and what they need aren’t more HRS and more KOs. They led the league in HRS by a wide margin and history shows that it’s darn near impossible to simply bludgeon every team out there. Using valuable prospects to simply pad HR totals isn’t going to do it and it doesn’t address any of the teams needs like OBP (Bautista was the only guy w/ an OBP over .340), SB (last in the AL w/ 58), Bat Avg (.248 team bat avg) and weakens the team defense by either supplanting a superior defensive 2B like Hill or moving Uggla to 3B, a position he hasn’t played more than 10 games in AA back in 2005.

To me, it’s not unreasonable for the Jays to pass the Rays and become a legit competitor for the AL East w/ one or two of the right pickups. IF they were concerned with obtaining a player with eyes on competing and/or possibly flipping a player at the deadline then I would suggest Agonz over Uggla because at least with Agonz you satisfy more of your needs. You improve the defense overall and at 1B. You add OBP (avg .400 OBP last 2 years), patience and contact ability as well as getting the same amount of power that Uggla brings.

For the most part, the Marlins have done a decent job of getting good returns on trades (Cabrera being the exception in retrospect) and I think what it would take to get Uggla would be better used to acquire other mlb players. Jays can afford to spend money as well so if they want a 3B why not just sign Beltre?

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

everything you said is correct,

what you’re missing is the context of the situation… While it would be better to get a more obp, speedy type of player. They either a) aren’t available or b) dont plug a hole

the other point missing from your point is the fact that, as we’ve seen already a few times, AA likes to buy low on players (esco, morrow, buck, gonzalez) now while uggla’s value isn’t low, AA may be able to get a decent deal for him.

Its like if you have a lot of sweaters, but a really nice sweater goes on sale, even though you should be spending your money on pants, because you need pants, you end up buying the sweater.. because its on sale.

agonz will cost better prospects, beltre will get a contract that far exceeds his worth.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 9 months ago

Would Uggla really play a role when you have Hill @ 2B? True he has a horrible year aside from his 26 hrs but he’s still a better defensive 2B. If you move Uggla to 3B you’re going to thet the HRS but who knows what you’ll get defensively.

Any trade should be measure by what you got vs what you gave up but it’s completely absurd to think that Uggla won’t command a great package. Ppl are calling him an “elite” 2b in one comment and then expecting him to be acquired simply by what AA “doesn’t want”. No reason to expect him to be had for less than 1 top 5 prospect and at least 1 or 2 additional in the top 10. And to compare Uggla to a “sweater on sale” doesn’t quite do it for me. He’s the only 2B w/ at least 30 hrs in each of the last 4 years and it would be absurd to think the Marlin’s won’t get fair market value for him.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

I called him a very nice sweater, it fit the analogy.

I didn’t say you’re going to land him for a package full of fluff, but the jays have surplus arms and catching, to say that arencibia, rzep, stewart, anyone else mentioned isn’t good just because they would be included is like saying that because montero has been dangled as bait somehow means the yankees “dont want him” and thus depreciates his value..

dizzle4
4 years 9 months ago

I would guess that the Jays are looking at it a bit like the Mariners looked at their cliff Lee acquisition last year. Yeah, they’re not the favorites, or anywhere close in the AL East next year, but if the Rays lose their three big FAs and the Red Sox don’t have a big off-season, the Jays do have a chance to make a run if some things turn there way. Not saying it’s a big chance, but it’s a chance. So if they like the price Florida is asking for Uggla, why not make the acquisition? If they’re out of the race by the trade deadline, they should be able to flip him, and might even get back better value than they gave up (like the Mariners did). And maybe they just hang onto him and get the two draft picks in 2012.

And hey – Anthopoulos is quite the creative guy. For all we know he wants Uggla because he’d be a great piece to flip to another team before April comes around.

Andy Mc
4 years 9 months ago

They could also trade him at the deadline. Also, they just opened a spot at 3B by waiving Encarnacion, and unloading his $5MM contract. Upgrade for ~$5MM + trade return for a better 3B option + possible return from trade deadline or Type A compensation.

If the Jays add another piece, say Dunn or Manny to DH, with Uggla, things may look a little different in the AL East in 2011, no?

Encarnacion's Parrot
4 years 9 months ago

If the Jays signed Manny to a 1-year deal and he has a monster 1st half, he too could be trade bait. AA seems to operate in misdirection and it works.

SneakyLongBalls
4 years 9 months ago

I agree with you on the ko aspect of his game and the suspect defensive skills. But you can’t deny a career .349 OBP and 4 straight 30+ home run seasons.
Probably see how things go until the trade deadline comes and if need be could move him then.
Or, he swings a good stick, Jays are doing pretty good and see what he wants for a contract.