Marlins Break Off Uggla Extension Talks; Tigers Interested

The Marlins have ceased negotiations with Dan Uggla about a long-term contract, the second baseman told The Associated Press.  Uggla said he and his representatives still want to negotiate, but the club has broken off talks for the time being. 

It's possible the Marlins are simply going back to the drawing board to create a new offer after Uggla turned down their four-year, $48MM proposal last weekend.  Or, perhaps the club is taking time to once again look at its trade options with regards to the slugger.  Jon Paul Morosi and Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports.com report that the Tigers have contacted Florida about Uggla.  Though Detroit's primary need is for a left-handed batter, the right-handed hitting Uggla provides a big upgrade over the Tigers' current second base options of Scott Sizemore and Will Rhymes

Morosi and Rosenthal report the Tigers are "looking everywhere for a power bat."  Detroit could revisit trying to acquire Adam Dunn after exploring a deal for him at the trade deadline, though the club's main offseason priority is Victor Martinez.


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128 Comments on "Marlins Break Off Uggla Extension Talks; Tigers Interested"


InLeylandWeTrust
4 years 9 months ago

Hang onto our prospects and put this money to good use via Dunn or Vmart. I’d love to see Uggla wearing the old english d but I’m afraid of the prospects it would cost.

4 years 9 months ago

Honestly, to me the Marlins are backing themselves into a corner. How much can they really ask for Uggla is it’s known that they aren’t negotiating with him and are essentially going to lose him to free agency next year? It’s going to be a salary dump if they deal him because he’s already expensive. I realize he’s a valuable player but they don’t want to pay him apparently so they’re not exactly in a position to demand a ransom.

verlander
4 years 9 months ago

They apparently want relievers. Would you give up Perry for Uggla?

airohpue13
4 years 9 months ago

Easily.

Civilization
4 years 9 months ago

In a heartbeat.

Tinger
4 years 9 months ago

Sure would….

Meatball1
4 years 9 months ago

Giants front office needs to pounce!

Reaper87
4 years 9 months ago

and play him where? the giants are built on pitching and defense, and uggla is a complete hack with the glove. we already have sanchez, who is easily above average defensively. uggla doesn’t really fit in anywhere unless he can magically become half-decent at 3rd

HipNip2009
4 years 9 months ago

They need his offense. They will probably lose Uribe, and Sandoval might show up in the spring at 400 pounds.

Reaper87
4 years 9 months ago

The giants also just finally got our rings, thank god, so the pressure to win right now isn’t there anymore. If I’m making the decisions, Uribe is let go and try to bring in someone like bartlett or hardy if he gets non-tendered. Younger, cheaper, better defense and wait on a bat. the options out there right now aren’t overwhelming unless you want to back up a mack truck full of money to werth or crawford. the giants can wait to see if someone gets put on the trade block after the winter meetings or approaching the 2011 trade deadline who isn’t as bad of a fielder

Meatball1
4 years 9 months ago

you say ‘we’, are you on the team?

Reaper87
4 years 9 months ago

haha, after suffering with this team for the last few decades and the miracle run this year, I feel honorary member status is due. Not holding my breath on that one, though

BlueCatuli
4 years 9 months ago

103…

Meatball1
4 years 9 months ago

sanchez has played 3b, 172 games, in his career. Uggla has always knocked the cover off the ball in sf. I think his bat would make up for a few of the balls he hucks into the stands.

blackandorangepride
4 years 9 months ago

Freddy had probably his best season at 3rd base he was also an all-star that year I’m sure he wouldn’t mind switching to help the team. And Uggla absolutely rakes at AT&T I think in like 15 games he has 8 homeruns there including 2 this year.

4 years 9 months ago

That’s about the smallest sample size ive ever seen anyone get excited about

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

Wow Jeffrey Loria great job. Another star who belongs in Florida but is going to leave the organization…Whats going to happen next the Tigers are going to give the Marlins Jacob Turner to the Marlins? And then Turner turns in to Andrew Miller…

The Marlins need to lock up this guy. He belongs in Florida and he is a 2B. Power hitting 2B’s don’t grow on trees…Neither do players who are face 2.0 of an organization and one of the best to play for the organization in it’s history.

Donskoy
4 years 9 months ago

This is probably the most vicious thing I’ve ever seen you type. I like it XD

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

Sorry

4 years 9 months ago

Well you weren’t wrong.

For a team that’s never out of it early and always thinks it can contend it’s pretty inexcusable for them to lose a guy like that for what’s likely a few million bucks…. since we know they have it. They pulled their stunt, got their stadium, got exposed as frauds and yet still won’t pay good players unless the commissioner and union step in and force them to.

Now, all that being said, their front office is obviously pretty shrewd, so you can’t completely ignore the fact that by trading Uggla they could actually be getting better/younger/cheaper at the same time. That should be the goal of every organization though, not just the cheap ones.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

Sorry

ludafish
4 years 9 months ago

I really like hearing from you since you usually have great things to say about the marlins and your knowledge, but its not like the marlins didnt try to sign him long term. They offered him 4 years, and 3 years of being paid the most in marlins history. i hope something gets done but its uggla really worth 5/60? or 4/52? Probably not, and its a shame cause some team will pay him that. But 4/48 wasnt bad considering its in essence a 3/40 deal and the marlins are usually very cheap. If the issue is more money in the first year, im sure they can make it 4/51 or if its the fifth year make it an option. who knows, but this will be the one guy if they trade i wont be as upset as usual, cause at least this time they made an effort.

tigers22
4 years 9 months ago

They won’t part with Turner. Probably Oliver.

verlander
4 years 9 months ago

Agreed.

verlander
4 years 9 months ago

Agreed.

verlander
4 years 9 months ago

The Tigers aren’t going to give the Marlins Jacob Turner for Dan Uggla. If they wouldn’t give up Turner for Cliff Lee and Dan Haren . . .

ze3
4 years 9 months ago

Howie Kendrick + Napoli for Uggla?

InLeylandWeTrust
4 years 9 months ago

Not a chance.

ze3
4 years 9 months ago

Why not? The Marlins get a power hitting catcher, and the fish need a catcher, and an OK 2B to replace Uggla. Who knows? Maybe Kendrick could benefit from a change of scenery

InLeylandWeTrust
4 years 9 months ago

Does Napoli factor into long term plans? No.

fishfan4life
4 years 9 months ago

Considering Florida may not bring back Paulino due to his suspension, acquiring a guy who mashes lefties and can simply hit wouldn’t be a bad idea. The Marlins’ left handed catcher Baker is also 29. That would be an awesome platoon. I’m not in favor of Howie Kendrick though.

4 years 9 months ago

You should be asking if Uggla factors into long term plans. Again, apparently, the answer is no.

I do have to ask though, why couldn’t Napoli factor into long term plans? He’s not very good defensively but the guy can hit.

4 years 9 months ago

I don’t know, as a straight baseball trade it’s not all that bad. Napoli isn’t exactly a favorite of the Angels despite the fact that he can hit and Kendrick hasn’t exactly blossomed. Uggla is clearly the best player in the deal but the Fish would be getting a rare commodity in Napoli (a catcher who rakes) and Kendrick is still young enough to have potential.

Besides, what was the Angels problem in ’10? Offense. What is Dan Uggla is not a top 5 (7?) offensive player at his position? Of course if the Angels used Napoli correctly Uggla wouldn’t be a big offensive upgrade, but they don’t, so he would be. It’s not just that Napoli is underutilized, it’s that Jeff Mathis gets too many AB’s because he’s underutilized. (Hmm, maybe I just screwed my case for the Uggla deal, Mathis is the catcher they need to get rid of.)

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

Hank Conger, Fabio Martinez, Garrett Richards, and Luis Jimenez for Uggla and Heatley.

ze3
4 years 9 months ago

No deal.

HipNip2009
4 years 9 months ago

That’s a fantasy baseball trade.

TheBigNice
4 years 9 months ago

Go get’em Dombrowski!

4 years 9 months ago

I agree. Tigers are my (distant) second team, Dombrowski boned them on the last big deal they made, the Fish braintrust makes me not want to see that team succeed, so why not? I hope Dombrowski trades them the next Andrew Miller for him.

However, if the Cubs can trick them into taking Blake DeWitt and Kosuke Fukudome for Uggla, then Dombrowski can get just bent!

start_wearing_purple
4 years 9 months ago

Shocking! The Marlins unwilling to pay to keep a star! Never saw it coming!

4 years 9 months ago

their offer was more than fair. it is uggla that is to blame for turning it down.

4 years 9 months ago

their offer was more than fair. it is uggla that is to blame for turning it down.

jb226
4 years 9 months ago

Meh.

If 4/$48MM was an accurate offer, then Uggla is the one who doesn’t want to stay in Florida. That was very fair, especially if Uggla wanting less average money for an extra year is accurate. It either means he’s over-valuing the extra year that he probably won’t get from any other team either, or he’s pretending to want to stay in Florida when he doesn’t.

4 years 9 months ago

You can’t really blame the guy if he doesn’t want to be there. I mean, he’s been there long enough to know how they operate. Yeah, they’ve won a couple WS but what are the real chances of that happening again by the time he’s ready to retire? At best it’s 1/30 each year (if the Yankees are 1/10 and the Pirates are 1/1000 then 1/30 sounds about right for the Fish).

I do agree that 4/48 is fair though but I can’t blame Uggla for seeking more. I mean really if the Marlins are offering you 4/48 what would you think you were worth on the open market? 6/80? 50/900? Think about it, the Marlins offering fair value… wouldn’t you be confused too?

jb226
4 years 9 months ago

Meh.

If 4/$48MM was an accurate offer, then Uggla is the one who doesn’t want to stay in Florida. That was very fair, especially if Uggla wanting less average money for an extra year is accurate. It either means he’s over-valuing the extra year that he probably won’t get from any other team either, or he’s pretending to want to stay in Florida when he doesn’t.

mattchu12
4 years 9 months ago

Anybody else Boston should consider Uggla to play third base? He’d be a hell of an addition I think, and I’m a Yankee Fan. Beltre is gunna want the world and unless you think you can move Youk to third and get either Prince Fielder or Adrian Gonzalez, I’d at least consider making a move for Uggla. Sox and Fish seem to have a good working relationship.

start_wearing_purple
4 years 9 months ago

Uggla hasn’t played third since he played AA ball. Personally I’d rather someone who I know can field the position.

mattchu12
4 years 9 months ago

Totally understandable. But like I said, what’s the other option?

Beltre was going to be quite costly in the first place after his season, and the Angels seem keen on making it worse. Unless you think you can get A-Gon or Prince, who would you rather bring in (realistically) to play first base in the event you move Youk to third base, that would make you pass on Uggla?

It’s obviously not a move that screams defensive improvement. But Uggla’s bat would play great at Fenway Park, and unless you pony up for Beltre or acquire one of the two big first base guys, I think he’d be the best option out there.

redsox4120
4 years 9 months ago

I think if the Sox got him he’d, play left. But I don’t think they’ll pursue him, there are better options to play left via free agency or trade.

friscofan101
4 years 9 months ago

i want the giants to get him bad but it doesn’t make sense this year. makes a lot of sense for the giants to pick him up in free agency next year but not trade for him when they still have sanchez their.

mattchu12
4 years 9 months ago

Sanchez could move to third base. So could Uggla.

Unless you’re holding third base for the guy who ate the guy who ate the “most hotdogs eaten in a ridiculous shot time span” guy.

Reaper87
4 years 9 months ago

uggla hasnt played 3rd since about a dozen games in the minors in 2005, he wont be making that switch. sanchez has played 3rd in the majors pretty well before, but why move him and take away a huge strength in his defense at 2nd where hes involved in many more plays?

mattchu12
4 years 9 months ago

To bring in Uggla’s bat? No one is fooling themselves about his defense, but the bat would make a Posey-Huff-Uggla 3-4-5 situation that would be killer.

Reaper87
4 years 9 months ago

florida will also want a king’s ransom in a trade for a guy who has great power and is pretty much useless to your team when he is not hitting them. him costing money is one thing, but to get him now the giants will need to part with at least 2 of our higher upside players, THEN sign him after this year…pass. not what this team needs to be doing

mattchu12
4 years 9 months ago

Makes plenty of sense what you’re saying, I get that. But the difference between now and then, is that every other team can be in on him when it’s just money. And if you don’t get him for 2011, whats your third base situation? Sandoval again? Uribe is going to get a lot of attention I suspect, and even if he comes back, I’d think it will be to play shortstop.

Reaper87
4 years 9 months ago

uribe is a much better shortstop than 3rd baseman, boots way too many routine balls at the hot corner, so that seems right. I get the appeal of uggla, his power wont be hurt by our park since hes a pull hitter and those homers would look good, it just doesn’t feel right to me. Now that they have finally won it all, they can build the right way- with young, controllable players and solid pitching and defense. having uggla seems like they would be doing half and half, especially the way culbertson has been hitting in the AFL. If you can pay culbertson the minimum to hit .270 with 15 homers and play below average defense or uggla 10 mil+ for .285 and 30 homers with comparable defense, I go with saving money. I know culbertson hasn’t played above high A ball, but his bat has been getting rave reviews from scouts about being close to MLB ready

mattchu12
4 years 9 months ago

All I’m thinking is that there was serious luck on the offensive end, and even though I’m not a Giants fan, I think it’s great for baseball to see them continue to be contenders. They have the pitching (thinks of Lincecum, Cain, and Bumgarner and drools), they just need another bat.

4 years 9 months ago

I agree with everything you just said.

cubfan4life
4 years 9 months ago

agree as well. For the last couple of years since Lincecum came up everyone kept saying “just imagine what this rotation can do in a 5 or 7 game series” well now we dont have to wonder anymore.

friscofan101
4 years 9 months ago

ive watched a little bit of culbertson’s swing, and i keep thinking chase utley from the right side. short powerful swing with a strong front shoulder and keeps both hands on the bat.

Reaper87
4 years 9 months ago

uribe is a much better shortstop than 3rd baseman, boots way too many routine balls at the hot corner, so that seems right. I get the appeal of uggla, his power wont be hurt by our park since hes a pull hitter and those homers would look good, it just doesn’t feel right to me. Now that they have finally won it all, they can build the right way- with young, controllable players and solid pitching and defense. having uggla seems like they would be doing half and half, especially the way culbertson has been hitting in the AFL. If you can pay culbertson the minimum to hit .270 with 15 homers and play below average defense or uggla 10 mil+ for .285 and 30 homers with comparable defense, I go with saving money. I know culbertson hasn’t played above high A ball, but his bat has been getting rave reviews from scouts about being close to MLB ready

4 years 9 months ago

Florida is putting themselves in a position where they’re essentially going to be dumping his salary. SF isn’t going back to the WS next year if they don’t improve their offense. Right now they’re set to lose offense in Burrell and probably one of Uribe and Huff. What are the odds of Huff repeating his 2010 season in 2011 (go back and look at his career, year by year)? Can the Giants count on KFP to get in shape? If he does will he be the same hitter?

Still think the Giants shouldn’t pursue Uggla?

Reaper87
4 years 9 months ago

He’s still going to cost too much to get him now. Dan Uggla by himself is not going to make this lineup a juggernaut, and to re-sign him is going to take enough money that keeping our rotation intact becomes in doubt once Cain and Lincecum’s current deals run out. Getting him is going all in for the short-term, the last thing this team should be doing right now. Huff’s resurgence came from him dropping weight and working on conditioning more than ever before, so assuming he stays in shape, I don’t think a huge drop will happen in 2011. Plus, if Belt keeps raking, just move Huff to the OF and we’re still in fine shape. So yeah, I’m kinda sticking with my original idea

4 years 9 months ago

Playing 2b and playing 3b aren’t all that different, it’s not like the difference between being a rocket scientist and being Ed Wade. Hell, have you ever thought of the fact that Uggla might be a better 3b than 2b? If you had Aramis Ramirez would you put him at 2b or 3b? How about Scott Rolen? ARod? Uggla?

Just because someone hasn’t done something doesn’t mean they can’t, it only means they haven’t. Think outside the box and a lot of possibilities open up. This might be one that the scouts have the last word on but it certainly shouldn’t be ruled out completely.

Reaper87
4 years 9 months ago

So saying a guy who is probably one of the 5 worst second basemen in the MLB right now defensively is not expected to become even a passable third basemen is my bad? Sure dude, that makes perfect sense. Comparing him to Rolen, Ramirez and ARod is a huge stretch

Dwan
4 years 9 months ago

Sanchez doesn’t have the arm strength to play 3rd.

Ian_Smell
4 years 9 months ago

Freddy is a lot better at second than he is at third, and he hasn’t play there full time since 2006. Also he isn’t as healthy as he was back then, so moving him to third might be a risk.

Reaper87
4 years 9 months ago

definitely should consider him, but i agree, the timing is all wrong

HipNip2009
4 years 9 months ago

The Giants have done well with players from the Marlins. Why not go after him and put him at third for a year, then they have options when Sanchez becomes a FA in 2012.

Livan Hernandez, Robb Nenn and Cody Ross…..that’s a nice haul from the Fish.

Add Uggla NOW, Sabes !!

4 years 9 months ago

Yeah but that’s a REALLY strange reason to acquire talent, just because you got lucky with that team in the past. I think that’s how Dave Littlefield did things.

Besides, just trading for Uggla won’t make him a non-free agent in 2011, they still have to sign him to an extension if they want to have options when/if Sanchez leaves.

fishfan4life
4 years 9 months ago

Please no more trading with the Tigers.

Omazing
4 years 9 months ago

YO ORIOLES! Sign this playa up for an infield spot. I don’t care where…1B/2B/SS/3B. If he can field a baseball I want him on the field somewhere. This boy can rake! We need that offense & have plenty of prospects.

Ian_Smell
4 years 9 months ago

I would love to see Uggla at short.

Omazing
4 years 9 months ago

Ya.. we better stay away from 1B. Idk if the SS comment was sarcasm…but I’d just like to see Dan in the yard, anywhere – with an O’s jersey on. Preferably 3B, but quite possibly 2B as Roberts may have the reoccurring herniated disk injury.

Ian_Smell
4 years 9 months ago

It was sarcastic. Uggla at short is probably the opposite of Ozzie Smith.

4 years 9 months ago

He would definitely be an upgrade for the O’s, somewhere. 3b or 2b if Roberts is down. He’s not a great option at 1b and a really poor option a SS but the O’s do have the DH option too, so it’s not out of the question.

Omazing
4 years 9 months ago

Ya.. we better stay away from 1B. Idk if the SS comment was sarcasm…but I’d just like to see Dan in the yard, anywhere – with an O’s jersey on. Preferably 3B, but quite possibly 2B as Roberts may have the reoccurring herniated disk injury.

yonkel21
4 years 9 months ago

Some of you are acting like the Marlins have blown it or are cheap. C’mon now… they offer a 30 year old, lousy fielding 2B a 4 year / $48M deal, hardly frugal, and he turns it down. I’d say they made a heck of an offer. Let him hit free agency in a year and see what kind of deal he’ll get on the open market. Comparable but no better than that. Brian Roberts did better from Baltimore and that was in a players’ market AND he’s a better overall player than Uggla.

fishfan4life
4 years 9 months ago

His stock will most likely never be higher…I think you gotta trade him if they can’t reach a deal.

HipNip2009
4 years 9 months ago

But was it REALLY those numbers???

4 years 9 months ago

Oh snap!

IIMadzII
4 years 9 months ago

Last Tiger Marlin trade didn’t work out so well for the Fish, lets not venture down that way again lol

InLeylandWeTrust
4 years 9 months ago

I’m all for it 😉

Reaper87
4 years 9 months ago

That was still only one trade, I don’t think you can let one flop scare you off of trading with a certain team. The marlins have still fleeced people much more often than they have been fleeced

4 years 9 months ago

Andrew Miller was the highest paid Marlin after that trade was completed. Just $ 2 million.

4 years 9 months ago

you mean nate robertson for cash?

4 years 9 months ago

the funny part about that trade, is that the Tigers initially inquired about Willis
The Marlins didn’t like the offer and decided to wait another year and see if Dontrelle would rebound and increase value
After they danced around with the Angels, Dodgers and Giants, and all three got upset because they were moving the goal posts on a trade, the Tigers came and inquired
The Tigers would not part with both Miller and Maybin for just Cabrera (amazing) but when Willis was included, they were willing to give both, plus four more prospects- ANY six in the organization. If that wasn’t bad enough, they then extended Willis.
Dombrowski’s best move- trading for Cabrera, and his worst- extending Willis, all related to one deal

DJGreen47
4 years 9 months ago

Rasmus for Uggla?

4 years 9 months ago

Probably not enough going back to the Cardinals but not a bad place to start given age/salary/need.

DJGreen47
4 years 9 months ago

At the risk of sounding like an idiot or a genius (probably the former), Rasmus for Uggla? You could throw in a third team like the White Sox. Sox get Rasmus, Cards get Uggla, Marlins get John Danks and a prospect(s).

4 years 9 months ago

Not bad. I think the Cards would want more for Rasmus and the Marlins would be fine with a Uggla/Danks swap so maybe the prospect goes to the Cards instead of the Marlins?

DJGreen47
4 years 9 months ago

At the risk of sounding like an idiot or a genius (probably the former), Rasmus for Uggla? You could throw in a third team like the White Sox. Sox get Rasmus, Cards get Uggla, Marlins get John Danks and a prospect(s).

BraveNewWorld
4 years 9 months ago

Ahh those Marlins up to their old tricks again. Gotta love ’em!

Potrzeba
4 years 9 months ago

Hmmm, what would it take to get uggla? Proabably a top 10 prospect and 2 lesser prospects?

4 years 9 months ago

Tiger pitchers are having nightmares. Uggla and Peralta up the middle would be UGGLY!

Motor_City_Bombshell
4 years 9 months ago

ahh I see what you did there. :)

Carrie
4 years 9 months ago

What??? We need a 2nd baseman? But we have Scott Sizemore! He’s our future. Besides, isn’t he the reason we let Polly go???

Too bad sarcasm doesn’t translate well.

Pawsdeep
4 years 9 months ago

You are exactly right. Polly not in Detroit is a travesty…

But if we could cut our losses and grab uggla inwould feel a lot better about not having polanco…

4 years 9 months ago

we would have the worst defense up the middle in the majors

4 years 9 months ago

Well, we could upgrade the defense a bit
Put Guillen at second and let Uggla DH :-))

airohpue13
4 years 9 months ago

Then after 2 weeks comes Guillens first DL stint of the season and Uggla is playing 2nd anyway.