Rangers Notes: Payroll, Lee, Washington

The offseason isn't far away, so the Rangers are thinking ahead, even though they can continue their bid for a World Series title with a win against the Giants tonight. Here's the latest on the AL Champs:

  • GM Jon Daniels says the Rangers may be able to increase payroll next year, according to John Shea of the San Francisco Chronicle (on Twitter). The Rangers intend to bid on Cliff Lee, who won't come cheap, so it's not surprising to hear that the club has the flexibility to spend.
  • Yankees people are angry that Rangers owner Chuck Greenberg called Yankees fans "an embarrassment," according to Jon Heyman of SI.com (on Twitter). Heyman says the Yankees will return fire after the World Series. The best way of retaliating would probably be to lure Lee to the Bronx if you ask me.
  • Daniels left no doubt that the Rangers will sign manager Ron Washington to a multi-year deal after the World Series, according to Paul Hoynes of the Cleveland Plain Dealer (on Twitter).


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98 Comments on "Rangers Notes: Payroll, Lee, Washington"


Ferrariman
4 years 10 months ago

why would yankee people be mad if Greenberg called his own team’s fans an embarrasment? what influence would that have on the yankees? Im confused…

tomzig
4 years 10 months ago

You may have misread that. Chuck Greenberg called Yankee fans “apathetic and violent, and embarrassing.” There is no need to even be talking about the Yankees. The Yankees aren’t playing the Rangers right now and the Rangers are down 3-1 in the series. Shouldn’t Greenberg be more concerned about his own team and their idiotic fans doing the claw and antlers after last night’s loss? I bet the Yankees just say something like “We are disappointed in Mr. Greenberg’s comments about our fan base. We have not had any violent incidents at the stadium and we increased security for the ALCS. We hope that one bad apple does not spoil the bunch”

Ferrariman
4 years 10 months ago

no, when i read it 15minutes ago, it said rangers fans, not yankee fans. its fixed now so it makes sense.

tomzig
4 years 10 months ago

ahh well that would do it.

BoomDizzle
4 years 10 months ago

Funny that Yankee ownership is angry at Greenberg for pointing out how vile and disgusting that fan base can be. The fans spit on people and yet Greenberg is the problem for bringing it up? Similar to Yankee ownership being more upset with the coverage of steroid use rather than all the Yankee players who use steroids.

Steinbrenner family are all the same. Anything goes as long as you win. Spit, cheat, lie…it doesn’t matter to us. Just be sure you don’t bring it up.

4 years 10 months ago

Maybe you misunderstood something. Greenberg, a part owner of the Rangers, called Yankee fans violent, apathetic, and an embarrassment to baseball. Even if you hate the Yankees you have to admit it’s both silly for an owner to say stuff like that, and dumb to trash talk the fans of a team you beat a week ago when you’re down 3-1 in the World Series.

baseballdude
4 years 10 months ago

i hate the yankees. and i dont think its crazy i think owners should do it more

tomzig
4 years 10 months ago

I don’t think owners should say much at all, they usually wind up embarrassing themselves. Kind of like what Chuck Greenberg did here.

4 years 10 months ago

well thats a legitimate point.

AllYourBaseAreBelongToUs
4 years 10 months ago

You’re just saying that because a random owner bashed Yankee fans, I bet you’d feel different if he bashed your own team’s fans. It’s completely unprofessional and completely unnecessary.

4 years 10 months ago

Yeah I am sure that there weren’t any drunk people acting “apathetic and violent” in Arlington last night and there won’t be any tonight. They must serve beer without any alcohol in it.

Every park in the country is 99% decent people and 1% D-Bags.

4 years 10 months ago

Nice post. You lost all your credibility when you said you hated the Yankees. Of course you would want owners to bash on the Yankees just cause your biased.

4 years 10 months ago

Nice post. You lost all your credibility when you said you hated the Yankees. Of course you would want owners to bash on the Yankees just cause your biased.

4 years 10 months ago

Yankee “people” are really sensitive if they are really that mad by a statement made by the Rangers owner. They sound like the weak kid with rich parents who won’t defend himself so his parents buy him something the other kids don’t have to make up for it and make him feel better. The fact they are going to “return fire” is childish.

Not saying the Ranger owner is in the right for opening his mouth either. Both sides need to shut it and move on.

tomzig
4 years 10 months ago

The funny thing is, the Yankees didn’t say ANYTHING. They have been quiet this whole time, minding their own business. Then BOOM Chuck Greenberg all pissed off at his team getting dominated comes out and yells about the Yankees. Totally classless.

4 years 10 months ago

So you don’t think the Yankees fan spitting and throwing things at Cliff Lee’s wife is doing anything wrong?

tomzig
4 years 10 months ago

I didn’t say it wasn’t wrong. But that’s a dead issue and happened over a week ago. Why is Chuck Greenberg talking about something that doesn’t involve him. And how is someone apathetic and violent? Are all Yankee fans serial killers then?

He needs to stop being a classless jerk and shut his mouth.

safari_punch
4 years 10 months ago

Someone is sensitive.

Let’s see what Yankees fans have to say when Cliff Lee re-signs with the Rangers and Grienke vetos a trade to the Bronx.

tomzig
4 years 10 months ago

How is saying something that is over a week old is a dead issue, being sensitive?

Stop trolling.

Sawksfan
4 years 10 months ago

Yikes, we saw how this little comment from Greenberg stirred the pot. If that happens they might have to shut this board down.

4 years 10 months ago

I can’t wait to see what Greenberg says when they Yanks sign Lee after topping the Rangers offer by a wide margin. Those should be colorful statements.

4 years 10 months ago

No… Lee will become an albatross anyway in a couple of years and no, NOT saying this because he had a sub-par world series.

4 years 10 months ago

Call that what you will… It’s a a very un-proffesional and classless act, no matter how rude those fans were… As a baseball owner you don’t really bash another organization. You know what makes that look worse? He just lost the World Series in his own ballpark. Worrying about something he shouldn’t be worrying about, should be paying extreme attention to his team, or at least should have been…

Fever Pitch Guy
4 years 10 months ago

Please don’t tell me you’re implying the Steinbrenners don’t bash other organizations …

“Red Sox Nation?” What a bunch of [expletive] that is,” said Hank Steinbrenner in an interview with The New York Times’ Play magazine. “That was a creation of the Red Sox and ESPN, which is filled with Red Sox fans.

“Go anywhere in America and you won’t see Red Sox hats and jackets, you’ll see Yankee hats and jackets. This is a Yankee country. We’re going to put the Yankees back on top and restore the universe to order.”

Fever Pitch Guy
4 years 10 months ago

Please don’t tell me you’re implying the Steinbrenners don’t bash other organizations …

“Red Sox Nation?” What a bunch of [expletive] that is,” said Hank Steinbrenner in an interview with The New York Times’ Play magazine. “That was a creation of the Red Sox and ESPN, which is filled with Red Sox fans.

“Go anywhere in America and you won’t see Red Sox hats and jackets, you’ll see Yankee hats and jackets. This is a Yankee country. We’re going to put the Yankees back on top and restore the universe to order.”

safari_punch
4 years 10 months ago

Well I’m sure there are plenty of people that don’t think it’s unprofessional or classless to hold those fans responsible for their actions after what they did to visiting players wives.

It’s also pretty amusing then taking the high road, you’re trying to take shots at the Rangers losing at their own park.

I guess it’s alright if everyone has a voice to spout off their stuff but the people that are effected by others abuse directly or indirectly.

safari_punch
4 years 10 months ago

Well I’m sure there are plenty of people that don’t think it’s unprofessional or classless to hold those fans responsible for their actions after what they did to visiting players wives.

It’s also pretty amusing then taking the high road, you’re trying to take shots at the Rangers losing at their own park.

I guess it’s alright if everyone has a voice to spout off their stuff but the people that are effected by others abuse directly or indirectly.

4 years 10 months ago

Call that what you will… It’s a a very un-proffesional and classless act, no matter how rude those fans were… As a baseball owner you don’t really bash another organization. You know what makes that look worse? He just lost the World Series in his own ballpark. Worrying about something he shouldn’t be worrying about, should be paying extreme attention to his team, or at least should have been…

eponine
4 years 10 months ago

it’s a battle to get lee. of course texas management will try to denigrate yankees fans to make texas look more attractive to lee.

Yanks48
4 years 10 months ago

I think hes trying to make a statement about what Yankee fans did to Cliff Lee’s wife the other day. Still, can’t judge an entire fan base cause of 5 morons

baseballdude
4 years 10 months ago

the embarrassment of Yankees fan base is over 5,000 people

Guest
4 years 10 months ago

Boy, you’re really making some solid contributions to this thread, sport..

4 years 10 months ago

I think you meant to say 1 in 5…

moonraker45
4 years 10 months ago

thats generous

4 years 10 months ago

Why not? People do it to Philly fans all the time.

Just_MLB
4 years 10 months ago

ummm chuck probably had this opinion of the yankee fanbase for like 30 years. who knows when he actually said it.

MB923
4 years 10 months ago

Truthfully I don’t get why he cares about the Yankee fans? His team beat them, he should be worried about his own team in its own 3-1 deficit and he should worried about Rangers/Giants series instead of another teams fan base

Unless this is meant to be an unofficial shout out to Cliff Lee to stay with Texas.

tomzig
4 years 10 months ago

But that’s not going to sway Cliff Lee. Money talks.

jb226
4 years 10 months ago

*shrugs* Maybe. I wouldn’t join a team where somebody spat on my wife. I don’t care if fans heckle opposing players–hell, I like it–but family is well beyond the limits. And spitting, well, that’s assault — literally.

It’s not like Lee isn’t already a multi-millionaire and going to land what in all probability is going to be significantly more than a hundred million bucks. I won’t play the “let’s pretend I know Cliff Lee’s mind” game, but I will say that I’d easily leave money on the table to avoid a place that treated my wife so poorly just because she was married to somebody on the opposing team.

It might not be fair, it might be painting all Yankees fans with the same brush because of what one person or a few people did, but that’s life. It’s part of the intangibles of making a decision that is going to affect my life, and the life of my family, for at least the next five years. A “fan” assaulting my wife is a pretty big black mark.

Slopeboy
4 years 10 months ago

This whole thing with Greenberg should be seen for what it is. He’s just another knucklehead fan that is saying what any other dope would post on a site like this.
He’s new to big time sports and hasn’t grown into position in which he now finds himself. Just look at the threads that have been written by all the different fans on this site since the incident took place 2 weeks ago. Not much difference, except that he’s an owner.
Obviously he’s wrong about what he’s said, Yankees fans apathetic? Hardly. Almost 4 million fans come to the Stadium every year. They even travel well and have fans throughout the entire country. Ask the Orioles, Rays, Mariners, or the Royals organizations if Yankees fans are apathetic when they show up wearing Yankees garb anytime NY plays in their stadiums. He should take a closer look at his attendance figures when NY comes to Arlington and compare numbers.

As for violent, that’s real crap and he should know better than to say that. No one was assaulted or attacked during the playoffs, Kristen Lee even said that she never felt threatened or afraid during her time there. She was not spit upon or doused with beer. That did happen, but to other people in the Texas contingent, which in inexcusable for sure. Fights break out in every ballpark throughout the season, and NY is no different than anywhere else. Greenberg should apologize to the Yankees fans, not to the ones in NY, but to the 10,000 or so who show up at Rangers games and spend their money in his ball park, for being an immature bumpkin.
You’ll notice that his partner, the professional hasn’t uttered a word on the matter. He’s gone to the games, cheered his team, drank his beer and conducted himself like an adult. That’s why Nolan Ryan is a Pro and Chuck Greenberg is an amateur

NYBravosFan10
4 years 10 months ago

I live in NY so therefore I am absolutely SURROUNDED by Yankees fanatics and I wouldn’t say they are an “embarassment” or “violent/disgusting” or whatever. Those labels belongs to Phillies fans. The Yankees fans are more like “cocky” and “well-aware we have enough money to buy Jupiter”.

4 years 10 months ago

cocky for sure… not sure where violent or apathetic comes from haha.. unless a few post game murders have occurred and been kept hush… cocky and ignorant to anything non-yankee related with an occasional drunk who does something stupid like pour beer on opposing teams fans…

Guest
4 years 10 months ago

I think you’re looking for the Red Sox or Phillies thread. You posted in the wrong area..

start_wearing_purple
4 years 10 months ago

Hmmm, took 28 posts before someone attacked Red Sox fans… My bet was 15.

Guest
4 years 10 months ago

and who better than me…:) It’s all about being consistent.

start_wearing_purple
4 years 10 months ago

I suppose I should give you credit for something.

Sawksfan
4 years 10 months ago

Well done. I gave a quick scroll myself. Figure there’s usually one.

4 years 10 months ago

nope they are just as bad…

Guest
4 years 10 months ago

I can agree with this..

Regardless Greenberg’s comments are unprofessional and lack class at a time when he should be more focused on what’s happening in Dallas. This is the same guy that probably thinks Dallas is a world class city..

Fever Pitch Guy
4 years 10 months ago

I will say this, Phillies fans have the worst reputation in baseball BUT Yankee fans aren’t a heckuva lot better.

Go to YouTube and search “Yankees Bleacher Creatures YMCA” and you’ll see how embarrassing and disgusting they can be. Worst of all, the behavior was repeated every game by the same group of fans and the Yankees did NOTHING to put a stop to it … until recently when the videos went viral and everyone came down on the organization for allowing it.

4 years 10 months ago

Figure that the Yanks will offer Lee in the range of $ 150 million over six years, which is more per annum than CC, but not quite the $ 161 MM overall contract. $ 25 MM Per year would make Lee the second highest paid player in the game, and the highest paid pitcher (annual salary). That would also mean that the Yankees have the five highest paid players in the game.

Teams other than the Yankees don’t give out contracts in excess of $ 20 million. The only other one in 2011 is Santana’s deal with the Mets which is just over that amount, and the Tigers will pay Cabrera $ 22 MM per season at the end of his deal. Of course, the Rangers did pay A Roid that huge $ 252 MM deal over 10 years, and we all know how that turned out, but I really don’t see them being able to match this one. If they don’t, then no other team will, but that doesn’t mean that Lee will take the money and run. Once you get past $ 10 million or so, WTH does it really matter?

4 years 10 months ago

Actually I think the Jays will actually be paying Vernon Wells something around 22 million a year for the next few years. Now if you’ll excuse me I’m going to go cry in a corner somewhere.

start_wearing_purple
4 years 10 months ago

Actually it’s $23M next year… but over the next 4 years it averages out to $21.5M.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 10 months ago

Joe Mauer starting in 2011 will earn $23 per. Todd Helton earns $23 mil in 2012 (changed to signing bonus, salary and $13 mil defered). Ryan Howard makes $25 mil per from 2014-2016. Those are ones I can think of.

4 years 10 months ago

Vernon made $ 15,687,500 in 2010, which was my point of reference.
There are a few other players due to get raises. If the Yanks go to $ 25 mil per year, the Rangers will be stretching the budget to match that. In their favor is that they have the largest single team market and an ownership group that knows what to do with it.

4 years 10 months ago

Vernon made $ 15,687,500 in 2010, which was my point of reference.
There are a few other players due to get raises. If the Yanks go to $ 25 mil per year, the Rangers will be stretching the budget to match that. In their favor is that they have the largest single team market and an ownership group that knows what to do with it.

4 years 10 months ago

The Yankees have to pay A-Rod around $30M for the next 6 years to swing and miss at 88 MPH fastballs down the middle of the plate, and watch called strike threes to end games. Now will you please excuse me I’ll go take that corner and cry.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 10 months ago

Buck up. It goes down to about $20 mil a year towards the last few years. Btw, I guess those 30 hrs and 125 rbi mean nothing, huh?

YanksFanSince78
4 years 10 months ago

Buck up. It goes down to about $20 mil a year towards the last few years. Btw, I guess those 30 hrs and 125 rbi mean nothing, huh?

4 years 10 months ago

The Yankees have to pay A-Rod around $30M for the next 6 years to swing and miss at 88 MPH fastballs down the middle of the plate, and watch called strike threes to end games. Now will you please excuse me I’ll go take that corner and cry.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 10 months ago

2 is still more than 1 right? As long as most other things are equal, I’ll take 2.

I really wish people would stop w/ the hypocrisy. If IBM was offering you $250,000 and Apple was paying you $200,000 and wasn’t willing/able to match it then most people would take it. No why? Because if they were paying you $200,000 but could find someone to as good of a job but willing to do it for $150,000 then chances are they would fire you w/o a second thought.

Don Sutton had a great saying “Loyalty? I’m the most loyal player money can buy”.

4 years 10 months ago

It is also a much riskier deal for the Rangers. If Lee should suffer some kind of serious injury and miss a lot of time/become ineffective, while it would be a blow to the Yankees they would ultimately just write it off and look elsewhere (ie Pavano). If it should happen to the Rangers, that much payroll tied up in a non-producing player would be devastating to the team for years.

4 years 10 months ago

They’d have to figure in the cost of insurance. Fortunately, Lee has a good health history, so they could get a policy on him to cover about half of his contract, but it would still be very expensive.

4 years 10 months ago

They’d have to figure in the cost of insurance. Fortunately, Lee has a good health history, so they could get a policy on him to cover about half of his contract, but it would still be very expensive.

Slopeboy
4 years 10 months ago

Greenberg and Ryan just spent a boatload of money to buy the team, and have aquired another boatload of money from a cable deal. Please let’s not start crying small market vs Big market crap already!

Slopeboy
4 years 10 months ago

Greenberg and Ryan just spent a boatload of money to buy the team, and have aquired another boatload of money from a cable deal. Please let’s not start crying small market vs Big market crap already!

start_wearing_purple
4 years 10 months ago

Cheap shot by Greenberg, unnecessary. When your team is in the Series the sole focus should be the Series.

MB923
4 years 10 months ago

Exactly. If he wanted to say this then that’s his choice, but I think he said it at a dumb time. His team might be playing it’s last baseball game of the year in a couple of hours. He should have said this after Game 3 of the ALCS

4 years 10 months ago

You’d think the owner of a team whose down 3-1 in the World Series and whose best player is about to enter free agency and demand a monstrous salary would have more pressing things to focus on than the fan base of another team whose no longer in the playoffs. The irony lies in the fact that he’s essentially showing blatant prejudice by calling the entire yankee fan base classless yet he himself is judging a vast group of people based off the actions of a few.

batting1000
4 years 10 months ago

being a sox fan, i am the last person to say anything pro yankees BUT come on WE All have moronic fans…at times i probably fit that category…..just like stereotyping people… there are great human beings of every race, creed, and religion…and there are well you know what of each….
same with fan
(ps just to clarify…i’ve never spit or thrown beer on anyone)

4 years 10 months ago

Well said.

Motor_City_Bombshell
4 years 10 months ago

Agreed with most everyone on here. There are certainly moronic fans in every fanbase, and it’s a (darn) shame to see the respectable, true-hearted fans get overlooked every single time. I sure hope this wasn’t a low blow to try to get into the mind of Cliff Lee, because now is not the time. Focus on the World Series first, and then focus on getting your star pitcher locked up. Get your priorities in line, son.

LifeLongYankeeFan
4 years 10 months ago

While he may have meant for it to convince Cliff Lee to stay it may also backfire on him. Cliff Lee may say this guy isn’t worried about the team but more the Yankees and bashing them and showed the class he has. Then again who knows only Cliff Lees family probably knows what he wants to do or is leaning towards.

4 years 10 months ago

Alright, before I say this, I’m a Yankee fan. Now, I will agree that Yankee fans are undoubtedly one of the most rude and disrispectful fans in baseball. However you people that applaud this need to get this through your heads:1.) It’s not his business to worry about another team’s fans. There is no reason to bash them, no matter how disrispectful they are. It’s not your place to bash them, it’s actually really unprofessional-like, and classless.2.) I don’t think you need to worry about Yankee fans when your own team is down 3-1 at the World Series. You have many more pressing matters to attend to, and worrying about another team’s fans while your own team is on the brink of elimination facing one of the game’s best pitchers is not something you really do as a baseball owner.And again, people who think owners should bash the Yankees more, there’s no need for any bias here. Just because you hate the Yankees and want to bash them, doesen’t mean everyone else has to. Every fan base has moronic and rude fans, what if another owner just decided to attack your team? What would be your defense? Certainly not what I just said.

EDIT: I have gained alot of respect for the Rangers ownership and was happy for them even when they beat the Yankees, but if/when the Rangers lose the World Series, I will have lost alot of that respect for Chuck Greenberg.

4 years 10 months ago

here’s a thought… actually click on the link and read what the twitter post actually says… the comment Chuck Greenberg had made was on radio, meaning he 99.5% most likely did not just come out and say “Yankees fans are bad”. He was most likely answering a question that was asked of him about the incident involving the players’ families at Yankee stadium.

Don’t lose respect for Greenberg just because he answers a question on a radio show and you dont have the decency to find out the facts.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 10 months ago

You miss the point. I’m sure there’s more context to his statement but regardless of whether or not he volunteered the comment or if it was extracted from him as a question, he still shouldn’t lump 100% of a fan base based on the actions of .05%.

You sound like Pailin bashing the “Gotcha” media. The media puts the microphone in front of you. The “interviewee” spouts the stupid comments that come back to bite them in the end. “Gotcha” media means “I gotcha on tape saying something stupid”.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 10 months ago

To give his comment better context, here is what was said:
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Chuck Greenberg’s comments during an interview with a Dallas radio station echoed remarks made by Lee’s wife, Kristen, who said she was treated rudely by the Yankee Stadium crowd, and seemed to be a calculated attempt to keep that incident from being forgotten as Texas tries to convince Lee that it would be a better fit in 2011.

Although Greenberg apologized hours later, first in phone calls to Yankee executives, and then in a public statement, the assertion he was making about behavior in the Bronx still remained. “I think our fans have been great,” Greenberg said in the radio interview on KESN-FM (103.3). “I think particularly in Game 3 of the World Series they just blew away anything I’ve seen in any venue during the postseason. I thought Yankee fans, frankly, were awful. They were either violent or apathetic, neither of which is good. So I thought Yankee fans were by far the worst of any I’ve seen in the postseason. I thought they were an embarrassment.”

Not surprisingly, Greenberg’s statements did not sit well with the Yankees, who nevertheless did not forcefully respond. But they held back only because they were adhering to longstanding guidelines from the commissioner’s office to not do anything to distract from the World Series, particularly on days when games are being played.

Hours after going on radio, Greenberg retreated, calling both Hal Steinbrenner, the Yankees’ managing general partner, and Randy Levine, the Yankees’ president, to apologize for his remarks.

Greenberg then issued a formal apology in which he stated that he “unfairly and inaccurately disparaged fans of the New York Yankees.’’

“Those remarks were inappropriate,’’ the statement added. “Yankees fans are among the most passionate and supportive in all of baseball.’’

Whether the Greenberg apology will be enough to appease the Yankees, and particularly, Levine, who is intensely protective of the Yankees’ brand and relishes the chance to defend it in public, remains to be seen.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 10 months ago

the above was just copy and pasted from a NY times article. I tried to post the link but I guess it’s still being reviewd. You can just google I guess.

Slopeboy
4 years 10 months ago

Good job!

YanksFanSince78
4 years 10 months ago

the above was just copy and pasted from a NY times article. I tried to post the link but I guess it’s still being reviewd. You can just google I guess.

4 years 10 months ago

Doesent he looked embarrassed right now.

Guest
4 years 10 months ago

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NYPOTENCE
4 years 10 months ago

Can’t we all get along???????? I mean, why are people trying to bash the yankees again and i’, sorry but Mr.Greenberg your team just lost the Wolrd Series and you are trying to bash the yankees. Why don’t you fix your roster win achampionship and then talk

NYPOTENCE
4 years 10 months ago

Can’t we all get along???????? I mean, why are people trying to bash the yankees again and i’, sorry but Mr.Greenberg your team just lost the Wolrd Series and you are trying to bash the yankees. Why don’t you fix your roster win achampionship and then talk