Rangers, Beltre Close To Deal

7:35pm: Jeff Wilson of The Fort Worth Star-Telegram tweets that Beltre will be in the Dallas area tonight in preparation for a physical on Wednesday. MLB.com's Peter Gammons adds that the Athletics offered six years and $76MM at one point, making the Angels the third highest bidder in the division (Twitter link).

12:49pm: The deal is not done, but it could be worth as much as $96MM over six years, according to MLB.com's T.R. Sullivan. The contract would include a clause that would allow the Rangers to opt out of the sixth year if Beltre doesn't reach a threshold for plate appearances.

10:15am: The Rangers are close to a six-year deal with Adrian Beltre, according to Yahoo's Tim Brown (on Twitter). Jon Heyman of SI.com reports that the Rangers are making progress and that a deal would be in the $90-100MM range (Twitter links). Yahoo's Jeff Passan agrees that the value of the deal will approach $100MM. A source tells Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports that the deal would effectively be for five years with a vesting option for a sixth year. (Twitter link). Agent Scott Boras represents Beltre.

Beltre led the American League in doubles last year and added 28 homers, hitting .321/.365/.553 in 641 plate appearances. He made the All-Star team, won his second career Silver Slugger and played standout defense. The defensive metric UZR/150 suggests that Beltre was significantly above average with the glove (12.7 UZR/150) for the eighth time in the past nine seasons. Beltre, 31, would be 37 in the final season of a six-year deal. 

Michael Young said yesterday that he'd be willing to move from third base if the Rangers sign Beltre. Young shifted from second base to shortstop when the Rangers traded Alex Rodriguez and from short to third when Elvis Andrus reached the majors, so position switches are nothing new for him. If the Rangers don't trade him, Young figures to appear in the lineup most days as a DH and utility player.

Young has no-trade protection, $48MM remaining on his contract and ten and five rights that take effect this May. The Rangers discussed a potential deal with the Rockies last month, but the team would have to overcome many obstacles to move Young.

Since the Red Sox offered Beltre arbitration, they will obtain two top draft picks next year. One will be a supplementary first rounder and the other will come from the Rangers. It will be Texas' first rounder as long as the Rangers don't sign Rafael Soriano. If they do sign the closer, the Rays would get the Rangers' top pick and the Red Sox would get their second rounder.

The Angels already missed out on Carl Crawford, so losing Beltre to a division rival would be a considerable blow for a franchise that finished below .500 for the first time since 2003 last year. The A's, another one of Beltre's suitors, will once again face the longtime Mariner as a division rival.

This is the second long-term deal of Beltre's career. He signed a five-year, $64MM deal with the Mariners after the 2004 season. In five seasons in Seattle, Beltre hit 103 homers and posted a .266/.317/.442 line while playing stellar defense (that's 3.4 WAR per season, in case you're wondering).

Boras and Beltre accepted a $10MM offer from the Red Sox last offseason, though other clubs offered more guaranteed money. That decision positioned the third baseman for a considerably larger payday.

PioDeportes first reported the agreement over the weekend. 

The post was originally published on January 4th.


234 Responses to Rangers, Beltre Close To Deal Leave a Reply

  1. Spurned by Lee and felt they where obligated to spend…not a good allocation of money if you ask me.

  2. DUMB move by the Rangers. I suppose that ballpark might help but paying for that walk year at 6 years is insanity. On the other hand, when will people realize Moreno is ALL talk…The guy almost never pays for elite talent. He comes out saying he will but in the end they end up with 2 lefty middle relievers…what a joke. And i’m not even an Angels fan.

    • The_Silver_Stacker 4 years ago

      He should be productive for the most part, but he most certainly won’t be worth what he is being paid if the article turns out to be true and goes down.

    • Bob 4 years ago

      As an angels fan I was hoping we’d land Beltre’ but not for this kind of money.

      Its in my opinion a “feel good” move that serves their fans and puts them ahead as the favorites… But that is temporary and in the long term may serve the Angels far better to not have signed him.

      Am I disappointed? Yes. Glad we did not commit this kind of cash? Heck yes!

      • Commander_Nate 4 years ago

        Why? This team has done nothing to improve except add two relievers (who albeit should be pretty good) despite having gaping holes in its lineup. How does Arte saving money to field a flawed team make you feel good as a fan, particularly after all that BS about “spending what it takes”? Are you getting a cut?

      • kdub53 4 years ago

        true the rangers are grossly overpaying for beltre…we needed a good corner guy, but wow thats soo much to offer to a guy that is going to be more or less an old man by the end of that contract, with little to no chance to trade him to another team for a decent deal. The angels have already and still do have people already like that (young and old). On the flip side its going to be a RUFF season…but if they can hold on till halfway point …maybe ol’ artie has a few tricks up his sleeve ..( Haren deal)

    • woadude 4 years ago

      Rangers Stadium is hitter friendly and he will be with Cruz and Hamilton for protection so he will get pitches, should work out well for the Rangers and only bad for Young as he will be the DH now and Vladdy who will now not be resigned even though he did pretty good for them.

  3. It’s hard to believe given everything that they’ve accomplished over the last few weeks but the Red Sox yet again are the winners in the signing getting the Rangers unprotected #23 (I think?) overall first round pick.

    • RahZid 4 years ago

      #26, but yes this is a huge coup for Boston. Had Beltre gone to the Angels, we were looking at a 2nd (or possibly 3rd) rounder.

      3rd rounder if the Angels also signed Soriano, which I have to imagine will now be their focus.

  4. sflocchini 4 years ago

    BUST

  5. ju1ced 4 years ago

    Young is gone.

    • I thought Young was just going to move to DH. You can forget about Vlad, though.

      • NL_East_Rivalry 4 years ago

        Maybe a Thome on the cheap and Young at 1st? But yeah, it looks like they wont add another piece.

        • craig s (ManusBret) 4 years ago

          yeah i can see young moving to 1st. if they can resign Vlad & keep young that linup is scary even scarier than the sox

          • bjsguess 4 years ago

            Right … because you want to have a $16m 1st baseman who can’t post an OPS north of 800?

            Let me sum up this signing for you.

            1. Rangers overpaid by about $25-$30m (based off the leaks we have seen from other clubs).
            2. The Rangers surrender their 1st round pick
            3. The Ranges now have a 3/$48m albatross in MY. A guy who can’t play any of his 3 “natural” positions (2B, SS, 3B). A guy who will now be either a utility player OR someone who will be manning 1st or DH with an inadequate bat.

            All for what? Beltre maybe provides an extra win or 2. Those wins will come at a cost of maybe $10m each + a top draft pick. Ouch.

    • lug 4 years ago

      As a White Sox fan we have a glaring hole at third. Young would fit great there, but boy we have spent a lot this winter. I would love to trade for him and heck it aint my money. Not sure what we would have to give up since his contract is pretty big and he is past his prime (just sayin’ he is 34). Would the Rangers eat some of that contract?

  6. Huge overpayment, not only on the immediate turn over from last year but the assured degrade over SIX years, I’m thinking albatross, I do agree the Angels are certainly this offseasons losers, rotation and pen solid, yes better than the Rangers, but a dismal look to the offense.

    • bjsguess 4 years ago

      Guess who was 2nd in team scoring in 2009? That’s right – the Angels. Guess how many starters in 2009 are projected to be offensive starters in 2011? Correct again – at least 7. Napoli, Morales, Kendrick, Aybar, Hunter, Abreu, and Rivera are all slotted into starting roles again. Notable absences are Figgins and Vlad (who didn’t contribute much in 2009).

      To say the Angels offensive outlook is dismal is taking an extremely pessimistic view. The 2010 Angels were putrid offensively. However, that doesn’t mean 2011 will follow suit.

      • It is pessimistic but the reality is the aging stars aren’t going to shock us and I question whether the younger players weren’t spurned by the drive for Adenheart and the overall character of the season, for the Angels I hope i’m terribly wrong but last year the offense fell apart, maybe a lull or maybe just the way this offense really is, we’ll see.

  7. Theo and the SOX front office must be pretty happy about this

  8. EarlyMorningBoxscore 4 years ago

    Remember that time the Angels were favored to sign Beltre, Crawford, and Soriano???

    • Commander_Nate 4 years ago

      Yeah, I do. Good job following through on that, Arte.

  9. sflocchini 4 years ago

    This is`not Boston . BUST

    • not_brooks 4 years ago

      Hitting in Arlington with Hamilton, Cruz, Kinsler and Young sounds a lot like hitting in Fenway with Youk, V-Mart, Papi and Drew.

      • kaf64 4 years ago

        Only thing is Left field is much more difficult to hit them out in Texas than right. I do believe Beltre is a pull hitter.

        • RahZid 4 years ago

          I would say he is definitely a pull hitter after watching him drop to 1 knee and pull them for HR’s last year. Not sure about his spray chart though.

        • MaineSox 4 years ago

          His HR swing seemed to be pull but he hit plenty of singles and doubles to right.

        • thegrayrace 4 years ago

          Beltre has 9 career HRs in Arlington, in 219 ABs.

          .306/.336/.521/.857 career line there.

      • kaf64 4 years ago

        Only thing is Left field is much more difficult to hit them out in Texas than right. I do believe Beltre is a pull hitter.

  10. enjoy living in Texas for the next six years

    • RahZid 4 years ago

      He doesn’t have to live in Texas 6 months of the year and for the 6 months he does “live” in Texas, he’ll be on the road half the time.

    • MaineSox 4 years ago

      What’s wrong with Texas exactly?

      • i’ll take that to mean you’ve never been there. my visits have been long enough to know why it costs substantially more to live in California.

        • PennMariner 4 years ago

          You probably aren’t talking about Dallas, because Dallas is one of the most economically sound cities of the entire Western half of the United States. Beltre will be closer to Dallas than any other major metropolitan city. So I’m not really getting your point.

        • bjsguess 4 years ago

          I grew up in So Cal until I was 30. Moved away and don’t miss it one bit. There is life beyond LA/San Diego.

  11. soxin10 4 years ago

    Makes sense to me. No one wants to pay more than 5 yrs 65-70 so give him 6 yrs 90 mil. Boras must know where all the skeletons are hidden.

    • TimotheusATL 4 years ago

      JPM says 5 years with a vesting option for a 6th. Assuming that the vesting triggers are in the 4th/5th year, that means he’d have to hold up consistent PAs/starts/games played for the majority of his contract to have a shot for a 6th. If JPM is correct, then it doesn’t seem that bad.

  12. I’d much rather see the rangers spend that money on beltre than lee. rangers have always had good offense and pitching has been suspect up until last yr. they’ll be relying on webb and repeated seasons by wilson, lewis.

  13. I’d much rather see the rangers spend that money on beltre than lee. rangers have always had good offense and pitching has been suspect up until last yr. they’ll be relying on webb and repeated seasons by wilson, lewis.

  14. As an A’s fan, I hope those who think Adrian Beltre is not worth it are right. I agree that he’s not worth $90-$100 for 6 years. However, if that theory is wrong, it could be a long 2011 for the A’s (although one guy shouldn’t tip the scales that much).

  15. Michael Young is a push over..he’ll move for anybody…

    • stl_cards16 4 years ago

      Young should just be happy to be getting that fat check he is. For the money he is making compared to the production he is giving, he better move wherever they want him to. Next step….bat boy?

    • Guest 4 years ago

      Yeah. How DARE he do what’s in the best interest of the team!

    • Shikikazu 4 years ago

      The opposite of Michael Young is Oliver Perez, I’m sure hes such a lovable guy….

  16. stl_cards16 4 years ago

    This makes the Rangers better, but I just don’t see it as that big of an upgrade to justify 90MM. It looks like this was just spending to spend, to make the casual fan happy. That money could have been better spent at the deadline or next years FA class.

    • MaineSox 4 years ago

      Unless they intended to sign Fielder, what exactly would be worth spending money on next offseason?

      • stl_cards16 4 years ago

        Who knows what will be available…..My point is, it wasn’t worth spending just for the sake of spending. I do think it makes them a little better, and I do think Beltre will be solid. But could this take them away from a potential “ace” if he is available mid-season because now they won’t be able to sign him long-term? If so then I think it was a mistake. The offense is already set to compete for years to come, they just need that one “ace” to push them over the top again IMO. Or it could take them out of the Fielder/Agon/Pujols sweepstakes if/when they hit free agency.

        • MaineSox 4 years ago

          I personally think it will make them more than a little better, but regardless the only one of those first basemen that is ever going to hit free agency is Fielder and his contract is almost certain to be way, way worse than the potential Beltre deal.

          Your point about taking them out of the running for a potential ace is a valid point if it proves to be true, but the new ownership has shown so far that they are willing to do what it takes to win and are willing to spend money so I wouldn’t say that this is necessarily going to take them out of the running on anything. Also, if an ace were to become available it would have to be through trade because there aren’t any set to be available through free agency next offseason (unless Oswalt’s option isn’t picked up or C.C. opts out of the rest of his contract).

        • East Coast Bias 4 years ago

          Actually, it’s not rocket science to figure out “what (who) will be available.” Players don’t just haphazardly stumble upon free agency. It’s only when their contract expires, which is a known, not an unknown.

          • stl_cards16 4 years ago

            Hey, theres “that guy”!!! So you think every player that is scheduled to be a free agent next year will make it to free agency? Ever heard of options? or extensions? Next year COULD be the best first base free agent class of all-time. Most likely Pujols, Agon, Fielder will not all reach free agency. That is where we come to the conclusion we don’t KNOW who will be available. Many of the players that *could* be free agents(their contract *would* expire at the end of this year) will not be available next winter. Thanks for the great input though.

          • East Coast Bias 4 years ago

            Haha Love the snark. To answer, no, I don’t think every player that is scheduled to be a free agent next year will make it to free agency. Actually, I never said that.

            What I did say, however, is that you do KNOW who is going to be a free agent next year.

            Yes, you have extensions and options, but thats with the people who are scheduled to be free agents already. You cannot ADD people to the free agent pool if their contract is still intact. That was my obvious point, response to your “Who knows what will be available” comment. Which, again, I will answer, everyone knows what will be available, albeit potentially. Here’s a link for reference!

            link to mlbtraderumors.com

            So, captain obvious, I have a question for you, one that you skillfully avoided earlier. Who on that list is worth the kind of money the Rangers would have saved if they do not sign Beltre this off season.

          • stl_cards16 4 years ago

            “What I did say, however, is that you do KNOW who is going to be a free agent next year.”

            Yes, you did say that. Then the rest of your post is admitting that we don’t KNOW who will be a free agent.

            I don’t need to look at the list. I’m not saying there is for sure one player that would be worth spending it on. However, wouldn’t Albert Pujols look good at first base in Texas for the next 7 years IF he becomes a free agent. We don’t KNOW who they could have spent the money on. There will be a whole new group of people available via trade this July. Will this deal cause the Rangers to miss out on an ace that they need? We don’t know.

            I never said this was a terrible deal. I said it makes them better. Especially on defense. But on offense, they are adding Beltre’s bat while taking out Vlad’s. To me, that’s not enough of an upgrade to justify this type of contract. Now if they could unload a good chunk of Young’s contract, and bring Vlad back, to me this deal would make alot more sense. We will see though, maybe they are not done yet. The point was I just hope they are not spending just for the sake of spending and keeping the fans happy.

          • East Coast Bias 4 years ago

            Two things…

            1. To lock up Pujols, you would need a lot more $ than what Beltre got. You KNOW that right? heh I’ll restate the question for a third time: Who on that list is worth the kind of money the Rangers would have saved if they do not sign Beltre this off season. Perhaps you should take a look at the list.

            2. We know who is scheduled to become a free agent because we know contractual limits/details. Boom. End of story.

            Look man, I deal in reality and facts. So we can continue this silly debate by isolating each word from our psots, but the fact is that we do know who is scheduled to become a free agent next year. Yes, there are extensions/options, but those names are subtracted from the list. None are added. Ever. So we always know the free agent class going into an off season.

            Next year, there are really top shelf players (Pujols, AGon, Fielder) who the Rangers just would not be able to pry away from other teams (IF they don’t already sign extensions beforehand) because of the arbi raises coming to Hamilton, Cruz, Kinsler, Wilson, etc, etc, AND because of the sheer dollar amount it would require to sign such free agents. And the rest of the free agent class, there is no one that would bring such an impact bat in an area of need the Rangers have as well as Beltre does. Agree?

          • stl_cards16 4 years ago

            You don’t know who will be available via trade during the season. This could be the best move for the Rangers, I don’t know, I was stating my opinion just like every other person. You wanted to be a smarty with your “It’s not rocket science” comment, that’s not what I’m here for. I never said “Next year there will be one player that they should commit a huge contract to.” I was saying I felt they would be better served waiting and seeing what is available via trade, or free agency next year. But I can see you will never admit that I have a valid point. You picked one line, out of a post, and tried to make it into what the whole topic was about. I’ll let you have the last word now, this is not what I’m here for.

          • East Coast Bias 4 years ago

            Hahaha this is the first time the word trade has come up. The topic of conversation all along has been free agency. Nice try backtracking though. I wasn’t trying to be a silly head, I was just pointing out that we have the transparency to know exactly who is scheduled to hit free agency next year. You want to make it about technicalities and such, hence the back and forth. Hey, I admit you have a valid point, I just don’t agree with it. I think there isn’t a player in next year’s FA pool in the 80-100m range better than Beltre for the Rangers. You disagree, yet refuse to provide names. So be it. Cheers.

          • stl_cards16 4 years ago

            “But could this take them away from a potential “ace” if he is made available mid-season because now they won’t be able to sign him long term? If so then I think it was a mistake.”

            That is taken from from the post you first replied to. So how again is that ONLY about potential free agents? That’s all you seen because you were ready to make your “it’s not rocket science argument” So once again….we DO NOT KNOW who will be available next season.

            Cheers.

          • East Coast Bias 4 years ago

            Hahaha this is the first time the word trade has come up. The topic of conversation all along has been free agency. Nice try backtracking though. I wasn’t trying to be a silly head, I was just pointing out that we have the transparency to know exactly who is scheduled to hit free agency next year. You want to make it about technicalities and such, hence the back and forth. Hey, I admit you have a valid point, I just don’t agree with it. I think there isn’t a player in next year’s FA pool in the 80-100m range better than Beltre for the Rangers. You disagree, yet refuse to provide names. So be it. Cheers.

          • MaineSox 4 years ago

            The point is the list of free agents can’t get bigger only smaller, so we know who CAN make it even if we don’t know who will. Of all the people on the list of potentials the only people worth spending good money on are the three first basemen, Oswalt, and Sabathia. There’s likely about a 2% chance any of Pujols, Gonzalez, Oswalt or Sabathia end up as free agents so that leaves Fielder who is likely going to get something in the area of 6/140 but is a Boras client and is said to be looking for a Teixeira type deal so could realistically end up closer to 8/180. If that’s not an overpay nothing is…

          • East Coast Bias 4 years ago

            Ah, thanks for that. You put it in a way I wasn’t able to explain. Maybe he understands now…

            Also, it’s almost a certainty the option gets picked up, but Cano would also be available, technically. Brings us back to what the Rangers “need” though, and a second baseman it is not, thanks to Kinsler.

          • MaineSox 4 years ago

            Wow, can’t believe I missed Cano on there. But yeah, the Rangers have Kinsler and there’s no chance the Yanks let him go.

          • MaineSox 4 years ago

            Wow, can’t believe I missed Cano on there. But yeah, the Rangers have Kinsler and there’s no chance the Yanks let him go.

          • stl_cards16 4 years ago

            I understand we know who *could* be free agents. That wasn’t the point. He wanted to look smart by saying “we know who will be available” when in fact we don’t. Guys can be released, non-tendered, there can be international free agents, so the small technicality he wanted to make me look wrong on, he was way off. And he said in his last post that I had never said anything about trades, when I had mentioned a trade for a pitcher at least twice prior. The guy is obiously out for an argument.

          • MaineSox 4 years ago

            You are correct, however, people who are released or non-tendered as well as *most* international free agents generally only cost a couple mil and the signing of Beltre wont stop them from signing them.

            As far as trades go you are correct, this signing could potentially affect that, but it’s hard to say what the owners are willing to do and if they are worth anything they have already taken that kind of stuff into account when they decided how much they were willing to spend on Beltre and if he was worth it to them.

          • stl_cards16 4 years ago

            I understand we know who *could* be free agents. That wasn’t the point. He wanted to look smart by saying “we know who will be available” when in fact we don’t. Guys can be released, non-tendered, there can be international free agents, so the small technicality he wanted to make me look wrong on, he was way off. And he said in his last post that I had never said anything about trades, when I had mentioned a trade for a pitcher at least twice prior. The guy is obiously out for an argument.

      • jb226 4 years ago

        Acquisitions are only one part of the picture. In the relatively near future, they’re going to have to figure out what to do with Hamilton, Kinsler and Cruz, and also to begin paying mounting arbitration salaries to Andrus. I won’t speak for anybody else, but I would take any one of those players over Beltre — so if this deal so much as hurts the chances of keeping any of those players, that’s a major strike against it.

        Let’s also remember that Wilson started for the first time in his career and was suddenly better than he ever was in relief, the exact opposite of how most players’ performances go, and that Lewis was so bad no major-league team wanted him and he went to Japan and came back as one of the most dominant pitchers in the AL. Maybe they really did figure it out. Maybe they really are this good. But for me, until these guys get another year under their belt to evaluate a bigger body of work I find it extremely dangerous to rely on them. Randy Wells was a stud for the Cubs two years ago and he was just plain bad this year — small sample sizes are dangerous.

        Not only do they need to figure those players out, they need to make some moves along the way to fill holes as others leave in free agency or to make improvements, like that first baseman or starting pitcher they could probably use. Presumably Young walks in three years and that helps, but I question if it is enough to accomplish all of these goals.

        Beltre is not a bad player, and he’s a strong improvement over Young’s defense and probably a small improvement over Vlad’s offense, but I still find him to be a luxury — who, if reports are correct, the Rangers are about to lock up for 5-6 years and $90-100MM and seemingly overpay compared to every other offer out there.

        “Is he worth the salary” is only part of the equation; “what else could we have used that money on” needs to be considered too.

        • MaineSox 4 years ago

          That’s true, extensions and raises do happen and I don’t know the extent of what they will cost. The truth is though that the same extensions and raises would have had to have happened if they had signed Lee and I didn’t hear people worrying about them then, granted Lee is a much better player than Beltre but he also would have cost them a lot more money. You also have to assume that the Ranger’s front office realizes that they have extensions and raises coming up for certain players and would have taken that into consideration, again the new owners have so far shown that they are willing to spend and willing to do what it takes to put a winning team on the field.

        • MaineSox 4 years ago

          That’s true, extensions and raises do happen and I don’t know the extent of what they will cost. The truth is though that the same extensions and raises would have had to have happened if they had signed Lee and I didn’t hear people worrying about them then, granted Lee is a much better player than Beltre but he also would have cost them a lot more money. You also have to assume that the Ranger’s front office realizes that they have extensions and raises coming up for certain players and would have taken that into consideration, again the new owners have so far shown that they are willing to spend and willing to do what it takes to put a winning team on the field.

  17. Great News!!!!!!

  18. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    6 years? ouch.

  19. Texas has/is being BORASed, i’m dissapointed not because i’m an Angel fan but because that douche Boras wins again, to much-to much…

    • CaseyBlakeDeWitt 4 years ago

      Boras is the best agent out there. If you were an MLB baseball player, I’m sure you would love to have him as your agent

      • No one is dougting his talents, he pushes players beyond there value, finds suitors willing to pay these ridiculous salaries and drives the value up on all the remaining junk left behind by default, he is a cog in the works of why this sport is either headed for drastic changes or finacial ruin, you can’t keep growing salaries at this rate, think about it…

      • so he is only hated by fans, owners, writers and 90% of remaining players he doesn’t represent.

  20. centerfield_ballhawk 4 years ago

    How much money has this guy earned over the course of his career? He’s had a number of “contract years.”

    • RahZid 4 years ago

      if by “a number” you mean 2, then yes. He’s also had 3 (once this is official) contracts since leaving LAD. He was a very solid player while in Seattle if you check out his road splits, he really only had 2 down years out of the 5 and one of those was his contract year.

      Moral of this story: Safeco kills good hitters.

  21. drwheelock 4 years ago

    I’m a Seattle fan, and if you look at Betlre’s FanGraph value, he earned EVERY bit of his salary in Seattle and then some…one of the ‘few’ contracts that actually worked toward Seattle’s benefit. Since 2004, Beltre’s ‘avg’ annual value has averaged $18.24M/year.

    BUT you see those BoSox numbers Beltre put up in 2010? He will replicate those in Arlington AND add to his HR total as well in that little sand box of a park. Texas will get their money worth of Beltre playing 3B. This is a GREAT signing for Texas, and the Angels are literally screwed moving forward with a horrible farm system. Angels are going to have to pickup these FA and spend since the don’t have the farm talent to grab these guys via trade.

    This will IMPROVE the Texas defense at 3B substantially over Young, and Beltre will pop 32 HRs at least in 2011 with Texas. Several of you think this is a laughable contract??!! Overpaying?! Wow…he will win them A LOT of games in that lineup and that entire lineup will haunt the AL West over the next 5-6 years. Check their top 6 hitters in their lineup people:

    SS Andrus (37 projected SBs in 2011)
    DH Michael Young
    3B Beltre
    OF Hamilton
    OF Nelson Cruz
    2B Ian Kinsler

    THAT is an offensive team you can build your future around!

    Nolan Ryan ain’t gonna settle for mediocre pitching either, so you can bet their SP will continue to improve year after year from here on out. Even without Cliff Lee, their rotation looks pretty decent…I’m just hoping Brandon Webb turns out to be another Bedard type production.

    The worse thing though?

    The Rangers 2010 payroll was right at $64.8M, and “after” the Beltre signing they “still” will be “under” $70M!!! And a TON more money coming off the books next offseason. They are sitting in a great position, and will be tough to beat over the next 5 years as the M’s are attempting to rebuild. The Angels have aging vets, and prospects that were suppose to turn out over the past several years that have fallen on their face. Angels are NOT rebuilding, have 1 top prospect in Trout that is even worth mentioning, and Moreno that WONT spend a dime for top talent…NOT a good combo for the Angels. As a Seattle fan, we have our own problems.

    Don’t want to burst everyones bubble about a Beltre signing going to Texas, but there is just no other 3B guy out there that I personally would want to have man our 3B line except for Beltre! All I have to say is it’s going to come back to haunt us for a LONG time! Here’s how I see the division finishing:

    #1 Texas
    #2 A’s
    #3 Tie between Seattle and Angels (Toss up)

    • There’s still health and continued production questions, I think your being optimistic but we’ll see.

      • drwheelock 4 years ago

        Health?! Beltre is such a gamer that he will play through torn testicles! He finally went on the DL, but that was long after he was playing with the injury. Besides that the guy has been ROCK solid. If I recall right last time he went on the DL was like 2005 or something like that.

        I would have loved to send Figgins to Atlanta this offseason and had Seattle resign Beltre for the $15M for the next 5-6 years.

        I’m sure Young will go to 1B, and Texas will lowball Vlad for $2-3M or so to comeback to play DH. I can’t see Texas moving Young unless eating half his salary. The Young contract is the question contract…not Beltre’s!

    • RahZid 4 years ago

      According to Cot’s, the Rangers are currently at $44.8M. Add Beltre at $15M per (6 years $90M) and that puts them at $59.8M. Then they still need to renew contracts a reach agreements on salaries for Hamilton (Arb 2), CJ Wilson (Arb 3), Cruz, Murphy, O’Day (all Arb 1). Hamilton and Wilson alone push them over the $70M mark. It looks like Texas will end up around $80M in 2011, not $70M.

    • Guest 4 years ago

      As an A’s fan, it kills me to say this; but I agree with most of what you’re saying. I still think he’s being overpaid. But I think he’ll fit in great with that lineup. And getting to play 81 games in Arlington will likely mean that his numbers won’t dip too much (if at all) from 2010. And that’s not to mention his stellar defense, which I just don’t see declining a whole lot over the course of this contract. (It’s not like he’s a SS, 2B or CF).

  22. YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

    What was the last offer from the Angels again?

  23. drwheelock 4 years ago

    Oh I forgot to mention…with Smoak going to Seattle in the Lee trade, and a ton of salary coming off the books next offseason…expect Texas to go after a Prince Fielder signing for their 1B option:

    SS Andrus (37 projected SBs in 2011)
    3B Beltre
    OF Hamilton
    1B Prince Fielder
    OF Nelson Cruz
    2B Ian Kinsler
    DH Michael Young

    DAMN PEOPLE! But hey at least us Seattle fans get Smoak for league minimum for years to come right??!!

    Now if Rangers can increase payroll to $95-$100M like where the Angels and Seattle are every year, instead of their $64M range that will get them a few more aces that gaurantee a WS presence for years to come.

    • PhishTank 4 years ago

      If they sign Fielder it will be as their DH, I’m sure. So let’s hope that Young/Moreland works out as a 1B this year.

      Also, at some point, the Rangers will need to extend Hamilton and Cruz, and that will increase their payroll substantially.

      But I agree with much of what you have said. The Rangers are in the drivers seat and positioned to be competitive for several years (now imagine if those young pitching prospects pan out!).

      • not_brooks 4 years ago

        No one is going to sign Fielder to be their DH. Boras is going to be looking for a Teixeira-esque contract, and he’ll get it from a desperate team like Baltimore or Washington.

        Maybe not eight years, but something like 6/140 for sure.

  24. RepOak 4 years ago

    I would rather have rangers get beltre than the angels. Beltre with angels pitching would’ve been by far favored in the AL west. But now rangers pitching still has to prove themselves if they can live up to last year minus Lee. Everyone would probably give the edge to Texas now but I think AL west year will be the most competitive. All teams (expect seatle) seem to be evenly matched.

  25. bonestock94 4 years ago

    Can’t imagine this contract being anything but horrible when its all said and done. Beltre has such wild swings in production.

    • not_brooks 4 years ago

      Explain please?

      Beltre was a bit up and down in LA, but he was 25 in his final season with the Dodgers. Most guys are in the minors as 20, 21, 22-year-olds. Those were Belre’s first three seasons as a full time big league starter.

      After that massive outlier in 2004, Beltre was a model of consistency in Seattle. Look it up.

      Then he put up another big year while playing in a hitter’s park for the first time. Not to mention the really good lineup surrounding him.

      I guess “wild swings in production” is somewhat accurate. But there are reasons for such swings. Just like every other Beltre naysayer, you should do some research.

      • bonestock94 4 years ago

        Offensively he was slightly above or below average as a Mariner for all but one season. He’s had 2 phenomenal seasons, 3 good ones, and the rest are near or below average. I did my research using wRC+ and wOBA. Defensively he’s been pretty great. I still maintain that a 6 year contract for that kind of money can get very ugly. This all starting at his age 32 season none the less.

        • RahZid 4 years ago

          Did you see his road splits while in Seattle? He was a victim of Safeco.

          • bonestock94 4 years ago

            No I didn’t. That makes his 06 and 07 seasons look better.

            I’m still wary though.

          • Wow, someone looked into things and adjusted their opinion based on that? WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH THE REAL INTERNET.

          • start_wearing_purple 4 years ago

            If they got rid of all the porn on the internet there would be only one website called bring back the porn dot com.

  26. drwheelock 4 years ago

    I’m a Seattle fan and expect us to be in the cellar, but honestly I do NOT see the Angels over the A’s. I don’t even think it will be close. Before the Beltre signing, Seattle actually made the best WAR moves this offseason in the AL West, with A’s coming in 2nd. Angels have done NOTHING, and now there is NOTHING they can do to improve (maybe Vlad again at DH?!) but thats about it. Angels have a horrible weak leftside IF in defense and that’s gonna kill them this year.

    Again I say Seattle/Angels will be a tossup for the cellar in 2011.

    • not_brooks 4 years ago

      Kendry Morales is a nice upgrade at first base.

      The offensive production from the rest of the infield is going to be miserable though.

      And who knows how well Hunter and Abreu will perform at 35 and 36?

      You’ve got to like that pitching staff though. Weaver/Haren/Santana/Piniero can give Anderson/Cahill/Gio/Braden a run for their money any day. Especially if the A’s youngsters don’t develop as the A’s hope they will.

      • drwheelock 4 years ago

        I’m NOT impressed with the Angels SP! I’d take A’s SP anyday over Angels. Piniero had 1 fluke year with the Angels, and is only a sub-par SP that I think will get pounded this year. Never been a Haren fan, and that guys needed to stay in the NL. Weaver and Santana would be NO ace on any of the playoff contenders teams last year…at most #2 or #2 depending on what team you compare them to.

        Plus, did you notice that the A’s had the LOWEST ERA in MLB last year with their SP and Bullpen??!! Beane’s strength is developing their pitching and have a great farm pitching program to develop their players the best in MLB.

        So xub – No I don’t see the Angels giving the A’s a run for their money in 2011. Maybe Seattle, but no other AL West team!

        • FrankTheFunkasaurusRex 4 years ago

          did you notice that the A’s infield defence was awesome?

          it might have something to do with the ERA of A’s pitchers

      • kdub53 4 years ago

        Scoscia and regains have been saying the same thing…how kendry morales coming back is going to fix all the problems..
        trust me…i know missing him last year was a huge HUGE deal…but its one man. Him coming back is not going to fix the offense…

  27. drwheelock 4 years ago

    Sorry Angel fans…just the way I see it. Welcome to our Mariner world Angels.

    DAMN it’s gonna be a long year!

    • kdub53 4 years ago

      a fluke year for pinerio eh?
      maybe, but the way I see it, he could repeat that year just as easy as take the “beating” that your forcasting Dr. :) just the way I see it.

  28. not_brooks 4 years ago

    Hey Ranger fans:

    Beltre is a .306/.336/.521 hitter in 219 at bats in Arlington. And while a few of those at bats are from interleague games with LA and 2010 games with Boston, I would guess that a vast majority of them are from his time with that little league Mariner offense.

    For those of you calling “BUST!” already, do some research. Beltre was a stud hitting in a hitters park in Boston with guys like Kevin Youkilis, Victor Martinez, David Ortiz and J.D. Drew hitting around him. He’ll most likely be a stud in Texas with guys like Josh Hamilton, Nelson Cruz, Michael Young and Ian Kinsler hitting around him.

    That said, I do believe that 6/90 is a bit of an overpay, and it’s always scary to guarantee money to any player through his 37-year-old season. Also, of the three recent bidders, the Rangers are the team that needs Beltre the least. But who knows what’s going on behind the scenes. Maybe Oakland never was really “out” and maybe they bumped their offer to 5/80. Who knows?

    Either way, if Beltre remains healthy, he’s going to provide elite defense and a very good bat for at least four of the six years. Not bad for $15MM per.

  29. silverslugger 4 years ago

    The Devil pulled a nice trick against the Angels there.

  30. Vlad reunion with angels could happen. Manny, Thome is still jobless. Still DH options out there

    • Commander_Nate 4 years ago

      Can Vlad play 3rd base? Because he clearly can’t play the outfield anymore.

    • kdub53 4 years ago

      hell no….no vlad!!

  31. I feel like they are overpaying! Massively. This guy is going to be another Alfonso Soriano. Bank on it!

    • MaineSox 4 years ago

      You FEEL like they are overpaying so we should bank on it? Are there any actual stats to back that up?

    • baseballz 4 years ago

      Arte Moreno ? Because if not, then it’s not your money, but it is your team! Why wouldn’t you want your team to get better ? Don’t you want to get to the post season this year knowing that your offense was the problem last year ?

      • Latrappe 4 years ago

        Agreed. You can’t just sit on your arse when you’re in the same league as the Yanks, the BoSox and now Texas ( with their TV deal ). Moreno was running his mouth on how he would be agressive on the market. reality is: Moreno is acting like a guy who want to buy a porsche but at the price of a Ford escort. i feel for the Angels fans.

  32. coachofall 4 years ago

    The years and money is nuts but getting past that and looking simply at the product on the field I’m not sure how this improves Tex over last season. Michael Young was a hack with the glove and had no range and Beltre will provide a respectable upgrade on Defense but I don’t know if it will off set the offense. Vlad had a great year as the primary DH and I assume that role now goes to Young. Is Beltre/Young any better offensivly than Young/Vladdy? I don’t think so.
    Another fun and interesting point is going to be what happens to all these one diminsional DH types on the market? Vlad, Thome and Manny are going to have a hard time finding anyone to pay them anything but low gauranteed money wtih incentives and I wouldnt be shocked if at least one of them gets the Jermaine Dye treatment.

    • MaineSox 4 years ago

      I don’t disagree completely but I think it could be a similar case to the Red Sox going after Gonzalez and Crawford instead of bringing back Beltre and Victor. They probably figured that while it wouldn’t necessarily be an upgrade from the previous years production it would more likely guarantee that production going forward. They probably believe that Beltre is more likely to put up good offensive numbers for the next few years than Vlad would while also providing far superior defense.

      • I also think the Sox didn’t bring these guys back because they just got 2 guys who are just stepping into their prime and will put up monster numbers at Fenway. Lets face it, if Beltre can hit 30+ HR’s at Fenway, think of the damage A-Gon can do with his tremendous oppo power. and not to mention upgrading Cameron to Crawford is a 10-fold improvement. They will presumably get better numbers from A-Gon and Crawford then from Beltre and V-Mart starting 2011 and into 2018. As for this being an upgrade for Texas, is that a joke? I love the person M.Young, and he’s a class act, but I’m sorry, he’s nothing special ability wise, this is an offensive and defensive upgrade at 3rd, and moving Young to first not only helps with the wear and tear of playing 3B all year, it will most likely improve his power numbers, esp if he DH’s too. Also, the Rangers have some great OF talent in the minors, so giving guys like Nelson and Hamilton a day to DH gives them flexibility, along with Young’s ability to play all infield positions. I do disagree with the amount of years, 6 is far too long, but honestly, its a huge improvement from what could have been.

  33. Rangers and Beltre for $100mil? Guess everything in Texas is BIG, huh—including stupidity.

  34. If this is true, then this is over pay! Especially for a guy who is already 31…that is Scott Boras for you. I love Beltre, but his inconsistency at the plate is not good. He had a great season last year, so this season he is do a down year. Not good at all. I love his defense he will get to 50 more balls and have less errors than Young, but I don’t see that being worth it for the price. If Beltre is a good clubhouse guy, becomes consistent bringing good offense and defense then come down to Texas, but if not please don’t sign him.

    This also shows why Young is the team captain. This guy realizes that when a move is made, it is to better the team. If he has to move then Young will do that gladly. Such class. To think the Rangers have a fully team of them is a great feeling, I just hope Beltre doesn’t mess that up.

  35. He has already proven to be another Alfonso Soriano…I feel he will prove to be worse than that.

    • CutTheString 4 years ago

      This Soriano talk is crazy. Beltre plays solid defense, and has hit his entire career. Yes, playing at Safeco took a toll on his numbers but he’s a good hitter and will continue to be one for the next couple of years. He’s not going to be a liability in the field and he won’t suddenly become an all or nothing hitter.

      In years 4,5,6 this may look bad, but for the sort term, for a team who’s window is open now, this is a good signing.

  36. ThinkBlue10 4 years ago

    Beltre will be successful in Texas because it’s a hitters park. The Rangers should trade Young to the Dodgers now.

  37. scott4 4 years ago

    I’m sorry? Alfonso Soriano? Am missing something here. Soriano is an inconsistent hitter at best, is somewhat injury prone, and is horrible on defense. Beltre is none of these things. This contract is for too long but the Rangers will get their money’s worth for the first few years.

  38. scott4 4 years ago

    All this talk about the Angels and all this money they are going to spend in the offseason this year. Did they take a serious run at any of these guys they missed out on? Or was it just to make their fans they were going to try to be competitve in the division again. looks like a rebuilding team to me.

    • not_brooks 4 years ago

      $130MM payroll.

      Big money out to 35-year-olds.

      $10MM+ out to two starting pitchers

      That’s the ugliest rebuild I’ve ever seen.

      • drwheelock 4 years ago

        Maybe he was referring to moving Matthews, despite the Angels having to pay $11.4M in 2011 for Matthews still??!!

        That’s not rebulding…that just trying to get anything they can from one of the stupidest signings in Angels history.

      • scott4 4 years ago

        Not saying that’s what they are trying for. saying they are not going to compete for the division title and they are not getting any younger. Their farm system is terrible and to be competitive over the next few years they are going to have to spend money in free agency because they just don’t have much help on the way. Trout can’t play all 3 outfield positions at the same time.
        That is an awful large payroll for what they have. But big payroll doesn’t mean sucess.

    • drwheelock 4 years ago

      The Angels were at $121M in 2010 payroll, and already at $98M with probably another $12-$15M having to go to their players not counted toward the $98M yet (go checkout COTs).

      Having a payroll on the Northside of $100 IS NOT REBUILDING MODE!!! Plus the ONLY prospect in the Angels farm system worth mentioning is Trout! Not looking good for the Angels longterm in my mind.

      • scott4 4 years ago

        Where do you draw the line? Payroll doesn’t mean crap if you don’t have the horses. They don’t, they either needed to go all out on free agency and bring in a few of those top players, which they did not this year or they need to trade away some of those old dudes at the deadline for some younger talent.

  39. not_brooks 4 years ago

    I did notice that the A’s had the lowest ERA in MLB last year (actually, was it MLB or just the AL? I thought the Giants were better?).

    But I also noticed that 22-year-old Trevor Cahill put up a sub-3.00 ERA with a ridiculously low BABIP.

    And that Gio Gonzalez stranded a ton of the guys that he walked.

    Those two are the big question marks for me. Was Cahill’s 2010 just a BABIP mirage? Can Gio continue to get away with walking so many hitters? After those big questions, can Brett Anderson stay healthy? And can Dallas Braden continue to get by with pedestrian stuff?

    As an A’s fan, I’m hoping for the best, but I like to try to be realistic.

  40. drwheelock 4 years ago

    You are correct. I purposely didn’t add the arbitration, and knew that would push Texas above the $70M mark. But still, $20M less than what Seattle is paying this year, and far less than that on what the Angels are spending too!

    Angels are sitting at approx $98M and they have their top players hitting arb this next week to deal with. Plus COT’s doesn’t have that $98M including the salaries yet of:

    Weaver
    Kendrick
    Aybar
    Downs
    Napoli
    Mathis
    Morales
    Willits
    etc/etc/etc

    AND they are still paying $11.4M on the Matthews contract…OUTCH!

    • RahZid 4 years ago

      Agreed that the Rangers spend less than LAA and SEA…. so what?

      Also, it may end up being very close between SEA and Texas (< $10M)

      • drwheelock 4 years ago

        Seattle is just waiting until after 2011 when the rest of Bavasi’s contracts come off the books:

        Silva (which includes the Bradley salaries now)
        Betancourt

        If I recall the M’s have like $20M between the Silva/Bradley/Betancourt salaries.

        GOD I can’t wait until next offseason! Plus Mr Z has been rebuilding our Farm System really nicely, so I see the Mariners as big spenders next offseason, and some great prospects to build around. Albeit – NOTHING like the lineup Texas has in offense right now, but starting this year and next these Offensive players are going to get REALLY costly for the Rangers from here on out!!!

        Seattle’s prospects are just hitting the seen, or they are locked up:

        Smoak
        Ackley
        Moore (Oliva gives Moore 2 years to adjust)
        Triunfel
        Pineda
        Robles
        Nick Franklin (up and coming SS)

        We are week at SS and LF. Branden Ryan will play 2B early this year until Ackley’s supertwo status is gone, and then will back up often injured Jack Wilson at SS, and then when Jack Wilson’s $5M is gone in 2012 … Ryan will play 2012 for cheap at SS until Franklin is ready for the Bigs. Regarding LF? I was hoping Seattle would have been in on Crawford and slipping him in the #3 slot after Ichiro and Figgins (oh well). But we can get by with Bradley/Saunders platoon for a year, waiting for Bradley/Silva salary to fall off.

        One other option depends upon Triunfel after coming back from a broken leg 2 years ago. “If” he can move to 2B, then Ackley could move back to LF, so the Z man has a number of CHEAP options.

        So for the guy above that commented on the Angels “rebuilding”?! What Seattle is doing is the true form of “rebuilding”. 2012 & beyond will be interesting for us.

        • I’m a Mariners fan too. I wouldn’t necessarily call us weak in left field unless Michael Saunders doesn’t make adjustments hitting left handers. He’s still only 24

    • kdub53 4 years ago

      id offer mathis and willits next to nothing…mathis maybe a little more then willits…
      i like reggie…but and mathis too….would probably have a beer with em and all…but can you say “non-productive”?

  41. scott boras does it again. Gets another team involved, brainwashes the GM (josh daniels), and gets his client what he wants. I don’t understand the move; you’ve got your franchise player at third base. This would be like the yankees signing Beltre and having A-rod be the super-utility guy slash DH. To me this doesn’t make much sense.

    Only a few ways for me to appreciate the move
    1) to stop the angels from signing him
    2) to show the fans they’re serious for another title
    3) Vladimir Guerrero broke his leg today and he’ll be out for next season

    I mean come on if it ain’t broke don’t fix it!
    1)With this move you are potentially pulling your franchise player and team captain off the field.
    2) Lose a 4 hitter in the lineup, (young,hamilton,nelson,beltre, none of these players are 4 slot hitters.

    I can talk about this all day and the more I write, the more this move does not make sense, I’m done!

  42. 6 months is still 6 months too many. This is a guy who endlessly exclaimed his desire to live/play on the west coast. Texas may be west of Alabama, but the lifestyle is nothing like living in California. So either he is full of it, greedy, a puppet to his agent… or all 3.

    • PennMariner 4 years ago

      All Boras clients are “puppets to their agent.”

      After all, baseball is a business, and Texas gave him the best offer. Texas is also nothing like Alabama, except for the similar accents.

  43. drwheelock 4 years ago

    If true the ONLY good news for the rest of the AL West is that this will tie up additional funds the Rangers would use for spending on top SPs.

  44. drwheelock 4 years ago

    Beltre was a GREAT team player in Seattle. You don’t have to worry about Beltre’s team work in Texas clubhouse.

  45. melonis_rex 4 years ago

    The Angels still need a DH, don’t they?

    • Commander_Nate 4 years ago

      That was supposed to be Abreu’s job next year back when Arte and Reagins sounded like they had a plan and some balls.

  46. drwheelock 4 years ago

    Jesus Scott – ANY of those hitters would be a #4 on the Mariner roster … quit complaining … you guys got the division TRUST ME ON THIS!

    By the way, I see Young happily moving to 1B, and I’d put money on it that Texas STILL ends up signing Vlad for DH for $2-3M!

    • neoncactus 4 years ago

      I agree, thinking last night, I can see Young moving to first, at least against lefties and playing DH in other games. Plus, he can play second when Kinsler gets injured.

    • Vlad isn’t signing for 2-3 mil, try 7-9 mil, and with Beltre, Vlad is more of a luxury that is unneeded especially when you could put Cruz in the 4 hole where he belongs and move Kinsler to the 2 spot and Beltre to the 5 spot.

  47. drwheelock 4 years ago

    SS Andrus (37 projected SBs in 2011)
    3B Beltre
    OF Hamilton
    DH Vlad (I’m thinking $2-3M)
    OF Nelson Cruz
    2B Ian Kinsler
    1B Michael Young

    DAMN

    • start_wearing_purple 4 years ago

      They’re so good they only need 7 hitters?

      • Hannibal_Lester 4 years ago

        With that kind of lineup, yes, 7 hitters is enough.

        • start_wearing_purple 4 years ago

          Quite possibly. If Beltre, Hamilton, and Cruz all stay healthy then the middle of the Rangers order could look like a modern murders row.

          • Latrappe 4 years ago

            Certainly not better then what Boston with Crawford/Gonzalez will offer…

          • start_wearing_purple 4 years ago

            Except the Rangers ball park is more of a home run park than Fenway. Between the Red Sox, yanks, and Rangers it’ll be interesting to see which team produces the best offense.

          • Latrappe 4 years ago

            I think the ” patience ” showed at the plate by the Sox will make a difference. They worn out the starting pitcher and then kill the bullpen. Having Ellsbury and Crawford (?) at the #1-2 spot can generate a lot of runs.

          • start_wearing_purple 4 years ago

            Actually I’m thinking the Sox should bat Crawford 3rd. Ells is the only leadoff hitter the Sox have and Pedroia is a natural #2 hitter. If they go the traditional route of batting Gonzalez and Youk in the 3/4 spot then you’re wasting the ability of Pedroia to move runners along or the speed of Crawford.

        • Dylan 4 years ago

          I’m pretty sure every lineup would be better with their top 7 instead of their complete 9

    • Tko11 4 years ago

      Vlad should get more than that…he had an impressive year in 2010.

      • oz10 4 years ago

        Impressive first half. He was awful and painful to watch past July. It kept Hamilton from having an even better season because every team figured out that Vlad was the easier out and to pitch arounf Hamilton. I will gladly take the Beltre/MY combo over Vlad/MY combo.

    • Tko11 4 years ago

      Vlad should get more than that…he had an impressive year in 2010.

    • That lineup may change when Adrian “The human wrecking ball” Beltre is in your lineup. Just ask the Red Sox why they were shuffling for outfielders in 2010.

  48. neoncactus 4 years ago

    I think this would actually be a good move for the Rangers. Beltre will provide an upgrade on defense over Young, and because Texas is more of a hitters park than Seattle or LA, he should hit pretty well there. Meanwhile, Young can play first against lefties or full time if Moreland slumps, and he can DH. He can also move back to second if Kinsler gets hurt, a huge upgrade over their options last year.

    I still think they will look at bringing back Vlad. Plus, as a Dodger fan, this takes more negative press away from the Dodgers and puts it on the Angels. I understand that Moreno doesn’t like the high cost of free agents. But if you want the player, you’re going to have to pay the price. If you don’t want to go that route, fine, but don’t complain about it, and don’t make a public statement that you’ll spend what it takes to make your team competitive.

  49. Zuidvogels 4 years ago

    Did you notice the A’s lost their Pitching Coach?

    • Guest 4 years ago

      Curt Young will be missed, but Ron Romanick will be a more than adequate replacement for him. Trust me on that.

  50. Young from 2B to SS to 3B to DH… next year they should ask him to move to AA bench coach.

  51. Young from 2B to SS to 3B to DH… next year they should ask him to move to AA bench coach.

  52. Latrappe 4 years ago

    6 years deal… Well, Texas got a premium defender at 3rd and no doubt that the guy can bat. Moreno, where are you??? Aren’t you tired to look at the parade?

  53. Opt out clause for sixth year doesn’t make any sense. That’s the only year he is going to perform cause its his career year.

  54. coolstorybro222 4 years ago

    God. It’s the year of the overpaid, overextended contract

  55. tr2008 4 years ago

    is anyone else completely baffled about how much money Adrian Beltre is likely going to get? he was clearly a PED user in LA, then landed a huge contract with Seattle, then completely bombed. he had a very good year in 2010 however 16 plus million a year for this guy? i just really dont get it at all. i guess the same can be said for Werths deal though

  56. mstrchef13 4 years ago

    I thought Tom Hicks sold the Rangers? Surely the new ownership isn’t as incompetent as the old ownership.

  57. mstrchef13 4 years ago

    I thought Tom Hicks sold the Rangers? Surely the new ownership isn’t as incompetent as the old ownership.

  58. Hoosierdaddy92 4 years ago

    This is a great move for the Rangers, regardless of the overpay. One has to understand, this move doesn’t just cripple the Angels for this year, but for several years. The only elite hitter that is a free agent next season is Fielder (given that Pujols and AGonz receive contract extensions) and they already have a 1b (Morales). So they will have to compete with Boston and the Yanks to convince him to DH, and the Mets, Braves, Cubs, Orioles, and possibly the Dodgers, Athletics, or Rangers will probably offer him a job as a 1b which is what he prefers to DH-ing. Now granted they could move Morales to OF (ouch) or DH but Morales is a better defensive 1b than Fielder.

  59. safari_punch 4 years ago

    Why any team would give this inconsistent player a long-term deal at this rate of pay is beyond me.

    Simply absurd.

  60. safari_punch 4 years ago

    Why any team would give this inconsistent player a long-term deal at this rate of pay is beyond me.

    Simply absurd.

  61. John LeClair 4 years ago

    Wow Boston is getting made out to look like Bandits! Some Call the Cops cause these suckas just got robbed! I mean…

    1st – We sign Beltre to a really cheap deal and he hits like an MVP.
    2nd – We trade for Adrian Gonzalez who we will be paying 5.5 – 6.5mish dollars, and gave up 1 Good Prospect and 2 Roll of the Dice Prospects. (Even if they do sign him to an extension they probably would only make this years AVV be at like 15ish Million)
    3rd – We signed Carl Crawford right from under the Yankees and Angels nose (I mean honestly you know that Carl Crawford was making atleast 120 – 140 Million from someone) we lose our 1st Round Draft Pick, but then we get one right back!

    Go Sox!

    • I’m not positive, but don’t we receive 2, since we get one from Detroit, for V-Mart, and now Texas for Beltre

    • I’m not positive, but don’t we receive 2, since we get one from Detroit, for V-Mart, and now Texas for Beltre

  62. SoCalAngelsFan75 4 years ago

    Seems like it’s taking a long time for the Rangers to seal the deal. Sounds to me like Boras is using them to drive up the price on the Angels (where I’m speculating is where Beltre really wants to go since he has a home in the area and didn’t take the OAK deal). For that kind of dough, the Rangers can have him. I thought the 5/70 deal was more than fair.

  63. and the angels fail again wow

    • Dick Armada 4 years ago

      Yeah why don’t they swoop in and offer 8 years/170 million??????????????

      ?????

  64. towney007 4 years ago

    This is an incomprehensibly bad contract. Six years for a 32 year old third baseman with a history of injuries and a spotty offensive track record. Enjoy that.

  65. grownice 4 years ago

    6 years 96 million? lol

  66. SmackSaw 4 years ago

    Rangers are piling up offense…again. They learned nothing from the ’90’s.

  67. ju1ced 4 years ago

    Eat some contract and give him away I bet. He doesn’t want to DH.

  68. PhishTank 4 years ago

    Maybe Young doesn’t want to DH, but he will. He recognizes his declining defense and knows this is his best chance to keep playing on a team that is favorite to win the division and likely to be a contender again. And I’d bet that Young’s DH role will account for only about 60 percent of his at-bats this next year. He’ll pick up another 250 as a utility infielder or as a 2B when Kinsler gets hurt (again).

    This move for Beltre gives the Rangers a good deal of flexibility in their lineup (much more than when Vlad was DH) and makes the team better. If Beltre signs, it gives the Rangers 7 guys in their daily lineup who have the potential for at least 20HR and 80RBI (Young, Beltre, Kinsler, Hamilton, Cruz, Moreland, Murphy) and 2 guys in the infield who have Gold Glove potential. Who cares if it’s for 6 years and $90 mil!? It’s not my money!

  69. bjsguess 4 years ago

    The Angels are anything but losers this off-season.

    Crawford and Beltre are both signed to contracts that the Angels weren’t prepared to pay. Are they losers because other teams overpaid?

    Let’s just say that Beltre’s deal is 6/$100m. The next closest competing deal was $70m from the A’s. Aside from that there was plenty of speculation that Beltre simply did not want to play for the A’s.

    So what do the Rangers do, offer $30m MORE than the closest competitor and that’s somehow considered a good move?

    Crawford was the same thing. If you could show me a reasonably substantiated rumor that another team was bidding above $120m on Crawford I would love to see it.

    I was fine with the team signing both Crawford (at 6/110) and Beltre (5/75). If their eventual price exceeded those limits then fine. We move on and use that money elsewhere.

    One last things because someone will bring it up … go back and look at expected contracts for Beltre and Crawford. They both are getting MUCH more than what was expected. People point to Werth and suggest that because the Nats overpaid that Crawford and Beltre should also be overpaid. I don’t buy that for one second. That mindset is how teams get into deep financial trouble.

  70. halofan 4 years ago

    No worries. No reason to panic for the Angels. 5/6 years at that price is not a good move. The Angels can still sign Soriano too lock down the great bullpen and sign Vlad or Thome and the Angels will be fine. The Angels can still trade for a 3B. There are always options on the table so it is good that this team does not over spend just because we have to fill a void at 3B. The Angels have the top pitching staff in the West. Last time I checked the SF Giants won the WS with great pitching and timely hitting. The Rangers pitching is very suspect.

  71. DIVISION 4 years ago

    Arte Moreno loses out on another prime FA.

    Sounds like a broken record.

    Hard to believe this guy wants to win when he loses out by a few million each time.

  72. Brent Schuber 4 years ago

    how are the angels losers if they say they would of gone 7/142 to crawford but crawford said he didnt care of the angels matched bosox offer and he wanted to play for the red sox……… and the rangers are gonna pay 26 mil and 1 more year over the next best offer from the angels
    so the only loser is texas and overpaying for a player that has only prover himself 2 years in his career 2004 and 2010

  73. bjsguess 4 years ago

    Nobody is going to come close to taking on 3/$48m. Especially when the Rangers have no leverage.

  74. jb226 4 years ago

    The Rangers do, because he has a no-trade clause and 10-and-5 rights in May. You (and they) can act tough about Young all you want, but the reality is you’d damn well better care what he wants because you have no means of getting rid of him without his consent.

    And no, nobody’s taking his contract in full.

  75. woadude 4 years ago

    I think David Ortiz is the highest paid DH, I could be wrong but I believe he is.

  76. start_wearing_purple 4 years ago

    Actually Beltre and Young have remarkably similar career stats. Of course Young spent his entire career in a hitters park while Beltre spent a chunk of his career in a pitchers park. Add to that Young is a rotten fielder and Beltre is one of the best fielders in baseball. I wouldn’t say Young is half the player, but I think Beltre is clearly superior to Young. Good move by the Rangers.

  77. o yea half the player beltre is. check the career #’s pal. young is a 300 career avg. hitter because he is consistently hitting over 300 every year. that’s a real professional. Beltre career 275, how can this be you ask? he’s had 3 good seasons out of 12 in the league. michael young, 8 300+ avg. seasons out of 10 yrs played. Better career numbers are in mike youngs favor by a long shot; know your facts before you respond to me notsureifsrs.

  78. I’m a Sox fan, and I tend to agree with you. The Angels are huge losers this off-season in the regard that they are going to have a rough 2011, but they are huge winners in the fact that they didn’t get involved in an off-season that saw Crawford, Werth and now Beltre all getting 90-142MM, Lee get offered a 7 year deal (a stupid length for a 32 year old pitcher), and multiple relievers getting multi-year deals. This right after an off-season that saw pretty much every free agent that costed draft picks, signing team-friendly contracts (except the Mets).

    This is not to mention huge extensions to players that I question the longevity of their success warranting such extensions.

    I’d say the Angels in many regards are winners this off-season as they wait for next off-season when other teams are more financially committed and not dropping $100MM on players like Werth and Beltre who clearly do not deserve such long term or high paying deals. Also they can get a feel for how these long-term deals are going to work out for teams, before they decide how much additional talent they require to compete in 2012 and beyond.

  79. RahZid 4 years ago

    I agree with you 100% on Beltre, but did you miss the comments from the Angels where they stated that they would have been comfortable signing Crawford to a 7 year $142M deal? I’ll post the link separate, so give it some time to show up.

    And agree with it or not, that is how free agency works. It’s all about comparisons between players Crawford > Werth, therefore Crawford should get a bigger deal than Werth. I’m not saying it’s right, just that it’s the way it is.

    Edit: It’s the first article if you click on Angel’s Rumors. It mentions the CarGo extension as well.

  80. The true losers this off-season in my eyes are the Rays and the Yankees. Not that I don’t think both will be competitive in 2011 and beyond, but the fact that without Lee, and likely without Pettite, the Yankees $170MM payroll season (still second in baseball), their season hangs on the shoulders of Hughes, Nova and Mitre (and to a lesser extent, Burnett). I’m just shocked that Cashman seems willing to go in with Mitre, who’s really a better spot starter and long reliever (good comparison, Julian Tavarez for the Sox just a few years ago), Nova, who is completely unproven, Hughes who the Yanks are hopeful (like the Sox with Buchholz) that he will repeat his 2010 success and not fall back, and Burnett who has the potential to be an ace, but also has the tendency to be the Yankees Oliver Perez. Tons of talent, with no idea how to use it. Having one starter going into a season who I can be confident in is not something I would hang $170MM on. I’d rather go in with a lesser offense.

    The Rays on the other hand have a great rotation, but the bullpen took some hits, the offense took some major hits in Crawford and Pena, and though their youngsters show a lot of promise I don’t know that I give them much hope in 2011 without a major offensive addition behind Longoria. I think they should sneak in and lock up Thome to a similar deal to Berkman. Maybe a $7MM deal?

  81. MadmanTX 4 years ago

    The Angels saved payroll. Bully for them. Payroll flexibility doesn’t win games one way or another. The thing is, the Angels haven’t improved in any way that threatens Texas. As far as overpaying, the Rangers aren’t the only team guilty of that this offseason. Wasn’t that long ago that your own Angels did the same thing in swooping in with a huge offer to grab Gary Matthews Jr from the Rangers. Hopefully, signing Beltre will work out better for the Rangers than signing Matthews did for the Angels.

    The A’s offered 5/$64 and the Angels 5/70. The Rangers offered the 6th option year and probably deferred money. What do they get for their money? The Rangers will have a killer infield next season and a big bat to protect Hamilton. If they manage to get Vlad for another season to DH with Young or move Young to 1B, then their lineup would be very potent. Maybe Beltre replaces Vlad’s bat with comparable numbers and the ability to play an actual position when needed. That ain’t hay.

  82. I believe he meant for the next 6 years, you know when guys like Matt Cain, Tim Lincecum, Jon Lester, Clay Bucholz, Francisco Liriano, Ubaldo Jimenez, Mat Latos and tons of other top pitchers could hit the Free Agent market. 6 years is a long time for a guy who has yet to prove he can be consistently good, and has yet to have 2 straight great years.

  83. start_wearing_purple 4 years ago

    Yet most projection system often look at the past to predict the future… of course that system is deeply flawed.

  84. Latrappe 4 years ago

    I’d like to think that, if his production decline with the age, the defense will remain. It’s tough to find a better 3rd baseman, defensively, then Beltre.

  85. start_wearing_purple 4 years ago

    Ah, I misunderstood.

  86. start_wearing_purple 4 years ago

    Wow. He really is half the player.

  87. MaineSox 4 years ago

    hahaha, now that’s awesome

  88. start_wearing_purple 4 years ago

    The problem is Ellsbury is the only real leadoff hitter they have. Pedroia is a better #2 hitter, Crawford is a better hitter outside the leadoff spot, Youk used to be an interesting leadoff hitter because of his ability to get on base but he’s better producer of runs, and Drew… well he’s Drew. So really I think it comes down to Ells is the best candidate for leadoff.

  89. start_wearing_purple 4 years ago

    Actually you shouldn’t have been so lazy…
    Pedroia’s career as a leadoff hitter: 253/.318/.375
    As a #2 hitter: .313/.377/.473
    Technically he’s best as a cleanup hitter… but that was 20 at bats.

    As much as I love arm chair managing the Sox, I’ve become very confident in Francona’s choices and stubborness. I’ll be interested to see what he chooses to do.

  90. RahZid 4 years ago

    Yankees are already over $178M this season before renewing contracts and giving arb deals to Hughes, Joba, Boone (should be $600-$700K). So I’m not sure how this is a $170M payroll season. Meanwhile Boston (the team I think you assumed to be #1), is sitting at $145.8M before renewing contracts, an arb deal for Ellsbury, and Okajima’s contract details. Edit – And an arb deal for Paplebon (~$11M), can’t believe I missed that.

  91. DIVISION 4 years ago

    I think Cashman is bluffing.

    He’ll swing a deal for a decent SP, or he’ll pay the price when he’s in 3rd place (or worse) come Sep.

    Is any Yankee fan seriously content with that rotation?

    You’ve got a glorified #2 (Sabathia), a good #3 if Petitte comes back, an unknown quantity in Hughes (future #2/3)………followed by a spot starter (Nova) and a worse spot starter (Mitre).

    You think that wins the AL East?

    Oh, I forgot about Joba.

    He’s a #4 if he sticks……….

  92. RahZid 4 years ago

    The numbers from last year disagree with you about the pitching staff.

  93. bjsguess 4 years ago

    The problem is that Moreno AND Reagins have both stated that they DID NOT offer a contract to Crawford.

    “The Angels never made a formal contract offer to outfielder Carl Crawford, and owner Arte Moreno said Friday that, contrary to previous reports, he was not willing to match the seven-year, $142-million deal Crawford eventually got from the Boston Red Sox last week.

    “There were rumors out there, but we never made an official offer, and no parameters were discussed,” Moreno said, alluding to reports the Angels made a six-year, $108-million offer with a seventh-year vesting option that would have pushed the deal to $126 million.” – LA Times

    I’m sure the Angels wanted both Crawford and Beltre. However, both exceeded what the Angels were prepared to offer. Rumors and speculation was that the Angels offered Crawford a substantial deal. Yet, we never heard that from Crawford, his agent or the Angels.

    If you follow the timeline, Moreno stated before the off-season that the Angels would not have financial constraints when it came to upgrading the team. Some interpreted that as the Angels have an unlimited budget and they should outbid everyone else regardless of financial wisdom of doing so. However, what Moreno really mean was that if the right deals come along the team will make necessary moves. So if Crawford was available at 6/$100 and Beltre at 5/$70 the Angels might have grabbed BOTH. However, because both exceeded the Angels valuation assessment NEITHER player was signed.

    The Angels still have time and money to secure a guy like Soriano. They could easily bring in Vlad/Thome/Ramirez. They have trade chips in Napoli, Wood, Kendrick, Rivera, Abreu and some bullpen arms. The Angels WILL NOT stand pat. They have 3 more months to fix any issues they have.

  94. Just_MLB 4 years ago

    YUP !

  95. MaineSox 4 years ago

    Have you read the article Dave Cameron just put up on Fan Graphs about this? It’s really good.

  96. MaineSox 4 years ago

    Have you read the article Dave Cameron just put up on Fan Graphs about this? It’s really good.

  97. bjsguess 4 years ago

    I think most people are also assuming that A-Gon will be resigned. If he is there is a great chance that 2011’s contract gets thrown out and Gonzalez will make $20m+. That would push them over $170m.

    Phillies are going to be close as well. Cots is showing nearly $160m without arb raises.

  98. bjsguess 4 years ago

    I think most people are also assuming that A-Gon will be resigned. If he is there is a great chance that 2011’s contract gets thrown out and Gonzalez will make $20m+. That would push them over $170m.

    Phillies are going to be close as well. Cots is showing nearly $160m without arb raises.

  99. actually for Lux Tax purposes we cleared 180 already RahZid. and our current payroll sits at $155MM for 2011 if we are not talking average annual value since most of the Sox contracts are backloaded.

  100. RahZid 4 years ago

    I agree that AGon will be re-signed, but as of right now he isn’t and for Luxury Tax purposes he will only count as $6.3M against the tax for this season.

    And yes, there is a wide discrepancy between AAV and actual cashflow. I was speaking to the weird combo of the 2 that Cot’s uses (actual cash flow, but spreading out the bonus and yes, that’s because I was being lazy).

  101. Not that the people who still think he’s a contract year player will ever read it… they’re very content to stay uninformed.

  102. RahZid 4 years ago

    While many of the Sox contracts are backloaded, that doesn’t mean that the cashflow is less than AAV just for that reason. Many backloaded deals are around the AAV this year because we are near the middle of those deals. The biggest exception to this being Crawford. Most of these “backloaded” contracts are deals that young players signed who are receiving raises as they would have through arb.

    As I stated above, I was using salary the same way Cot’s does (actual salary next year + prorated signing bonus) and did not intend it for Luxury Tax purposes.

    One question for you, because I can’t find it anywhere. Where do you get a $155M payroll as of right now? Cot’s has $145.8 before arbs and renewals (and Oki).

  103. RahZid 4 years ago

    While many of the Sox contracts are backloaded, that doesn’t mean that the cashflow is less than AAV just for that reason. Many backloaded deals are around the AAV this year because we are near the middle of those deals. The biggest exception to this being Crawford. Most of these “backloaded” contracts are deals that young players signed who are receiving raises as they would have through arb.

    As I stated above, I was using salary the same way Cot’s does (actual salary next year + prorated signing bonus) and did not intend it for Luxury Tax purposes.

    One question for you, because I can’t find it anywhere. Where do you get a $155M payroll as of right now? Cot’s has $145.8 before arbs and renewals (and Oki).

  104. No, I’m pretty serious. the guy has hit above .300 2 times in his career(2004 and 2010) he’s hit 100 RBI’s only 2 times in his career(again, 04-10) he’s only reached an .800 OPS 4 times in his career(2000,2004,2007,2010) his SLG% was above .500 2 times(04, 10) his WAR was over 5 just 2 times(04,10) The only thing he’s been consistent with is his fielding, and last year he made 19 errors, 2nd most by a 3rd baseman, so, do I think taking him with a 6 year 100 mil contract is a bad idea, I think the numbers say it all.

  105. TimotheusATL 4 years ago

    Beltre’s not the guy that I think of as a contract year player. When I see that title, I immediately think of Rafael Soriano.

  106. woadude 4 years ago

    You Forgot Fringe AJ Burntnett.

  107. ARod's Ring 4 years ago

    what are you smoking?! Sabathia a glorified #2? I would love to know which team you root for?

  108. MaineSox 4 years ago

    Not to mention even down year Ortiz provides more production than Young…

  109. bjsguess 4 years ago

    You are 100% that payroll flexibility doesn’t equate to wins. But let’s look at it another way.

    1. You have committed $17m or so to a 3rd baseman. A player from 2005 to 2009 averaged around 3.5 WAR (park adjusted for SafeCo).
    2. You have already a guy that plays 3rd. You are paying him $16m/year for the next 3 years. He has averaged 3 WAR from 2005 through 2010. The net upgrade is somewhere between 0.5 and 1 WAR. Remember – you paid $17m/year and committed to 5 or possibly 6 years to get that upgrade.
    3. Of course, you could shift Young to 1st base. Should you do that, combined with a typical Young offensive season (300/350/425) you have maybe a 1.5 WAR player earning $16m/year.
    4. It gets worse if you move him to DH. Maybe he’s worth 1.25 WAR … or about $6m. In that scenario you lose about $10m of his contract value in negative equity.

    The only smart play the Rangers have is to move Young to another team. I can’t see that happening unless they eat a bunch of money (possibly as much as $20m). His new team would then be on the hook for 3/$28m which makes some sense for the right club.

    So, in the end, Beltre’s contract ended costing you the $100m + the $20m you kicked in to clear a roster spot for him. For what? An additional win or two.

    This isn’t sour grapes. This is an Angel fan that is ecstatic that Texas is willing to pay so much money for Beltre. If we can’t have him the best case scenario is for our competition to dramatically overpay for him.

  110. Victor Kipp 4 years ago

    Dude…wtf… Are you trying to say that Adrian Beltre is a comparable hitter to Adrian Gonzalez? If you are, you are the uninformed fan.

  111. jt24 4 years ago

    he doesn’t lose by a couple million, he loses by a good 20M each time :(

  112. MaineSox 4 years ago

    tOPS+ is used to show how a players split compares to his average. A tOPS+ over 100 means he did better in that specific split than his average, a tOPS+ under 100 means he did worse. So the fact that Beltre’s tOPS+ on the road is 111 and Gonzalez’s is 114 doesn’t mean that Beltre hit as well a Gonzalez on the road, simply that the amount of change from their average was very similar.

  113. The numbers ftom two years ago do agree with him though…rather starkly, I might add…

  114. RahZid 4 years ago

    You mean before a bunch of personnel changed? I don’t see how that’s nearly as relevant as last year.

  115. RahZid 4 years ago

    You mean before a bunch of personnel changed? I don’t see how that’s nearly as relevant as last year.

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